Another sad day in the modern age, anti piracy taken too far

Hell last time i heard that they sued a pub called "the hobbit" becasue that pub which existed for more than 20 years was hurting their copyrights of the LOTR franchise.dakan45

We have a pub in our neighboring city (Bossier) that is named Bilbo Baggins'. Which I am sure isn't too far behind the pub you mentioned.

If you are American you should do something about it.

dakan45

I must point out that in The States, that Dissent is no longer allowed on stage, and protesting is basically illegal.

Also freedom of speech is extremely one-sided now.

IE West Boro baptist church gets freedom of speech vote (in their favor) by the Supreme Court, when protest a soldier's funeral, thanking "god" for IEDs because the soldier was gay.

Not even 2 years later, 99 percent have their freedom of speech severely limited by the same Supreme Court.

I would love to do something about it, but problem is, what can we do, that doesn't give them the chance to call us criminals and lock us in a cage!?!

Yup, so much praise for the US when in reallity its full of crap, sorry but its true.dakan45

No need to apologize my friend, I live in the states, but I am not blinded by the BS rhetoric we are exposed to everyday.

Cause what you say is true, and I don't hate my country, I would love to be proud of it, but that is becoming more difficult all the time.

I feel lucky that I live in Europe! Any legislation like that would never hope to make it through the EU parliament, SOPA and ACTA were both turned down, and others will follow and be turned down as well. America land of the free my @ss!

QQabitmoar

So everybody should cancel their ISP. Is there a list of ISP's partaking in this? If you all threaten to switch providers or cancel they wont do crap They want money too.

that what you call lawful evil

enforcing a law with a fist of tyranny.

So everybody should cancel their ISP. Is there a list of ISP's partaking in this? If you all threaten to switch providers or cancel they wont do crap They want money too.

MacBoomStick

My friend is advising me to setup something called a putty proxy, before July 12th.

As this is starting to really bother me. Now I don't pirate, but anyone with a working brain can tell this just doesn't involve piracy, as well as won't be the final act in this either.

Problem is, where I am if I get rid of My ISP, I don't know of any available in my area that isn't on that list.

Comcast, AT&T. Both on that list. Both are the only providers in my area, that I know of. (that doesn't have something ridiculous, like an atrociously low bandwidth cap)

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

So everybody should cancel their ISP. Is there a list of ISP's partaking in this? If you all threaten to switch providers or cancel they wont do crap They want money too.

bonafidetk

[QUOTE="dakan45"] Hell last time i heard that they sued a pub called "the hobbit" becasue that pub which existed for more than 20 years was hurting their copyrights of the LOTR franchise.Lach0121

We have a pub in our neighboring city (Bossier) that is named Bilbo Baggins'. Which I am sure isn't too far behind the pub you mentioned.

....that....is.....awesome

seems crazy that ISPs would go for this i mean its only gonna hurt them a ton. Not only is all that tracking a massive undertaking but the amount of pirates is so high and many people do it chronically. If they really start harassing and going after all of these people they are gonna lose metric tons of customers. Notice how none of them said they would actually terminate service because they know it would be a disaster if they just started cutting people off. Worst of all is that it wont stop anything pirates are still gonna pirate.

Hearing the rich **** about piracy makes the poor want to pirate more.

I wouldn't say that the USA is rotten to the core, but it is too politically influenced by huge corporations, rather than the people. Consumer protection laws are far weaker in the USA than in Europe, because they hurt business. Conservatives would argue that free markets work best, but the markets are nowhere near free in the USA. Laws favor big business. I don't know what it is going to take to really change that.

Its really sickening to see our so called elected leaders sit by and enable this to happen. The rich treating all their customers as criminals, to make sure they keep getting that hyper capitalist flow of "god" money.

Of course these are the same leaders that enable the war on drugs, which has done nothing but turn millions of (non-violent people) into criminals and on their record for the rest of their life, as well as great contribute to our national debt.

The same leaders who have us waging war on other countries (for various reasons, freedom NOT being one of them) that war machine has put us in so much debt it isn't even funny.

Have removed due process for its citizens, instated the Patriot Act. Removed more rights and liberties than any "terrorist" orginization has.

Supreme court rulled that Money is speech (power), and that corporations now have the rights of citizens. (if you don't see the problem there, open your eyes)

^^ We can't count on Government to step in and do whats right. (remember they tried SOPA, and PIPA)

I am outraged at this, and no I am not a pirate.

IF transparencyis what is called for on the private citizen, I demand that it also be applied to these corporations that rule us, as well as the government they use as a tool to do so.

Lach0121

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Its really sickening to see our so called elected leaders sit by and enable this to happen. The rich treating all their customers as criminals, to make sure they keep getting that hyper capitalist flow of "god" money.

Of course these are the same leaders that enable the war on drugs, which has done nothing but turn millions of (non-violent people) into criminals and on their record for the rest of their life, as well as great contribute to our national debt.

The same leaders who have us waging war on other countries (for various reasons, freedom NOT being one of them) that war machine has put us in so much debt it isn't even funny.

Have removed due process for its citizens, instated the Patriot Act. Removed more rights and liberties than any "terrorist" orginization has.

Supreme court rulled that Money is speech (power), and that corporations now have the rights of citizens. (if you don't see the problem there, open your eyes)

^^ We can't count on Government to step in and do whats right. (remember they tried SOPA, and PIPA)

I am outraged at this, and no I am not a pirate.

IF transparencyis what is called for on the private citizen, I demand that it also be applied to these corporations that rule us, as well as the government they use as a tool to do so.

Elann2008

Thx.

Yes this is why I can't help but cringe when I hear some of these blind patriotic people (or the politician's on stage) start talking about Freedom, or "free country."

Thats totally bs, and they are walking a fine line of breaking the interent privacy act. It still will not stop piracy. But its a sad statment when pirates are hurting no one in reality and these people have nothing to better do with your time. You have billions of dollars now go shut up and go play on your yaht and go fly around the world in your G6 and leave people alone. They are causing nothing but hatred for the industries

Thats totally bs, and they are walking a fine line of breaking the interent privacy act. It still will not stop piracy. But its a sad statment when pirates are hurting no one in reality and these people have nothing to better do with your time. You have billions of dollars now go shut up and go play on your yaht and go fly around the world in your G6 and leave people alone. They are causing nothing but hatred for the industries

James161324

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/american-isps-to-launch-massive-copyright-spying-scheme-on-july-12/

http://www.exophrine.com/2012/03/your-isps-spying-on-you-so-dont-be.html

The vagueness about this is depressing, and scary.

So do you violate this if you happen to watch a Youtube video uploaded that isn't copywritten, or infringes?

Once again the Music industry, and Movie industry want to see us squirm under the thumb, which is why I will have all my music in CC (without blood sucking labels, publishers)

This is becoming ridiculous.

If piracy/censor/and now SPY threads are not supposed to be in this section of forums, please mods, move it to the correct location.

Lach0121

This is awesome news! Go get them boys!!!!

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/american-isps-to-launch-massive-copyright-spying-scheme-on-july-12/

http://www.exophrine.com/2012/03/your-isps-spying-on-you-so-dont-be.html

The vagueness about this is depressing, and scary.

So do you violate this if you happen to watch a Youtube video uploaded that isn't copywritten, or infringes?

Once again the Music industry, and Movie industry want to see us squirm under the thumb, which is why I will have all my music in CC (without blood sucking labels, publishers)

This is becoming ridiculous.

If piracy/censor/and now SPY threads are not supposed to be in this section of forums, please mods, move it to the correct location.

GLaDoSxxx

This is awesome news! Go get them boys!!!!

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/15/american-isps-to-launch-massive-copyright-spying-scheme-on-july-12/

http://www.exophrine.com/2012/03/your-isps-spying-on-you-so-dont-be.html

The vagueness about this is depressing, and scary.

So do you violate this if you happen to watch a Youtube video uploaded that isn't copywritten, or infringes?

Once again the Music industry, and Movie industry want to see us squirm under the thumb, which is why I will have all my music in CC (without blood sucking labels, publishers)

This is becoming ridiculous.

If piracy/censor/and now SPY threads are not supposed to be in this section of forums, please mods, move it to the correct location.

Lach0121

This is awesome news! Go get them boys!!!!

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

This is awesome news! Go get them boys!!!!

GLaDoSxxx

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

:lol: Wow....yeah...umm...no

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

This is awesome news! Go get them boys!!!!

GLaDoSxxx

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

If you truly believe that, then you don't understand the implications of this, their next step, or their end-game.

This has little to do with piracy, this has to do with censorship! IF you don't see that, them maybe you should actually understand what this is about, before posting with such limited knowledge of the subject. No offense friend.

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

wis3boi

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

:lol: Wow....yeah...umm...no

A valid argument. You've proven your point well. (please note the sarcasm).

Note that I believe that people have too many damned freedoms in this country to begin with. Allowing them to hide behind an internet connection for illegal activities has to stop. And your IP watching what you download is just the way to stop it. I also think that there should be cameras on every street corner watching all the criminals. No one should be allowed to have a firearm unless they are military or law enforcement. I think that a national curfew should be enacted at midnight for everyone not working those hours to cut down on criminal activities. Oh, and I LOVE Obamacare. So you can all shut up and stop trying to make me think like you criminals do. You're all wrong.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

GLaDoSxxx

:lol: Wow....yeah...umm...no

A valid argument. You've proven your point well. (please note the sarcasm).

Note that I believe that people have too many damned freedoms in this country to begin with. Allowing them to hide behind an internet connection for illegal activities has to stop. And your IP watching what you download is just the way to stop it. I also think that there should be cameras on every street corner watching all the criminals. No one should be allowed to have a firearm unless they are military or law enforcement. I think that a national curfew should be enacted at midnight for everyone not working those hours to cut down on criminal activities. Oh, and I LOVE Obamacare. So you can all shut up and stop trying to make me think like you criminals do. You're all wrong.

Every single person in this country is a criminal... (everyone you know) You don't always know your breaking the "law." 90% of the time, people don't get caught doing it. But NO ONE, and I meanNo one,doesn't break the law!

Either troll, or just ignorant... Choose your poison here.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

GLaDoSxxx

:lol: Wow....yeah...umm...no

A valid argument. You've proven your point well. (please note the sarcasm).

Note that I believe that people have too many damned freedoms in this country to begin with. Allowing them to hide behind an internet connection for illegal activities has to stop. And your IP watching what you download is just the way to stop it. I also think that there should be cameras on every street corner watching all the criminals. No one should be allowed to have a firearm unless they are military or law enforcement. I think that a national curfew should be enacted at midnight for everyone not working those hours to cut down on criminal activities. Oh, and I LOVE Obamacare. So you can all shut up and stop trying to make me think like you criminals do. You're all wrong.

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

:lol: Wow....yeah...umm...no

Hexagon_777

A valid argument. You've proven your point well. (please note the sarcasm).

Note that I believe that people have too many damned freedoms in this country to begin with. Allowing them to hide behind an internet connection for illegal activities has to stop. And your IP watching what you download is just the way to stop it. I also think that there should be cameras on every street corner watching all the criminals. No one should be allowed to have a firearm unless they are military or law enforcement. I think that a national curfew should be enacted at midnight for everyone not working those hours to cut down on criminal activities. Oh, and I LOVE Obamacare. So you can all shut up and stop trying to make me think like you criminals do. You're all wrong.

Actually I think he would be more at home, living in a prison, at least by his description above.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

This is awesome news! Go get them boys!!!!

GLaDoSxxx

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

Its not really its a statement that the goverment will allow Companies to controll the interent. Most torrents are illegal, but its also used for alot of good, p2p is a free way to distrubute mods, free music and etc. I can understand this movement if it was the 90's where the music indusutry was being hurt by napster and what not. But these indusuturys keep growing. And the sadest part most of the creators really couldn't care about piracy, they would prefer you would buy it but they are happy people are enjoying the content they make.

Plus piracy is the only thing keeping them from charging what ever they want. If there is nothing keeping them in check, no piracy. Congrats that dvd you want can now be 40 dollars, that game 100 dollars.

If this is allowed and goes on, they are watching everything you do. It is the end of freedom on the interent. The idiots in DC buy to much in the lies, and don't relize what they are starting. O and everyone has something to hide.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

If you are American you should do something about it.

Lach0121

I must point out that in The States, that Dissent is no longer allowed on stage, and protesting is basically illegal.

Also freedom of speech is extremely one-sided now.

IE West Boro baptist church gets freedom of speech vote (in their favor) by the Supreme Court, when protest a soldier's funeral, thanking "god" for IEDs because the soldier was gay.

Not even 2 years later, 99 percent have their freedom of speech severely limited by the same Supreme Court.

I would love to do something about it, but problem is, what can we do, that doesn't give them the chance to call us criminals and lock us in a cage!?!

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

In no way, shape, or form is this "awesome news."

James161324

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

Its not really its a statement that the goverment will allow Companies to controll the interent. Most torrents are illegal, but its also used for alot of good, p2p is a free way to distrubute mods, free music and etc. I can understand this movement if it was the 90's where the music indusutry was being hurt by napster and what not. But these indusuturys keep growing. And the sadest part most of the creators really couldn't care about piracy, they would prefer you would buy it but they are happy people are enjoying the content they make.

Plus piracy is the only thing keeping them from charging what ever they want. If there is nothing keeping them in check, no piracy. Congrats that dvd you want can now be 40 dollars, that game 100 dollars.

If this is allowed and goes on, they are watching everything you do. It is the end of freedom on the interent. The idiots in DC buy to much in the lies, and don't relize what they are starting. O and everyone has something to hide.

Am I the only one who thinks this is good for people like us who actually buy games and other stuff like movies and music. I hope something similar is implemented in India because just banning the torrent sites although has helped curb piracy but has not completely abolished it. I think the same should be done in all countries.

neo_87

I agree, access to culture and information should be allowed only to those who can pay for it - that is if the providers even bother to supply it. Meanwhile the rest can rot away. After all, lots of stupid people = lots of cheap labour. It's not like information and services are the 21st centuries most valuable industries.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

[QUOTE="GLaDoSxxx"]

Sure it is. Unless you have something to hide.

PurpleMan5000

Its not really its a statement that the goverment will allow Companies to controll the interent. Most torrents are illegal, but its also used for alot of good, p2p is a free way to distrubute mods, free music and etc. I can understand this movement if it was the 90's where the music indusutry was being hurt by napster and what not. But these indusuturys keep growing. And the sadest part most of the creators really couldn't care about piracy, they would prefer you would buy it but they are happy people are enjoying the content they make.

Plus piracy is the only thing keeping them from charging what ever they want. If there is nothing keeping them in check, no piracy. Congrats that dvd you want can now be 40 dollars, that game 100 dollars.

If this is allowed and goes on, they are watching everything you do. It is the end of freedom on the interent. The idiots in DC buy to much in the lies, and don't relize what they are starting. O and everyone has something to hide.

I can't i have no choice, i'm stuck with Time Warner or Verizion. The goverment job is to enforce the laws they made, and i don't know about you but this walks exteremly close to breaking the interenet privacy act. The problem is if nothing is done, where does it stop. You saw the crazy things that SOPA or Pipa could do. This is one step closer to companies having power to censor, what SOPA would have given them.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

If you are American you should do something about it.

PurpleMan5000

I must point out that in The States, that Dissent is no longer allowed on stage, and protesting is basically illegal.

Also freedom of speech is extremely one-sided now.

IE West Boro baptist church gets freedom of speech vote (in their favor) by the Supreme Court, when protest a soldier's funeral, thanking "god" for IEDs because the soldier was gay.

Not even 2 years later, 99 percent have their freedom of speech severely limited by the same Supreme Court.

I would love to do something about it, but problem is, what can we do, that doesn't give them the chance to call us criminals and lock us in a cage!?!

Yeah because they got a permit, that makes it A-OK :roll: (legally you are correct, but then again anyone with a brain knows "current" legality is a freaking joke!)

Oh and because the state/city/parish/county/district will sure give anyone a permit who wants to protest right?!?

Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple.

Lastly, having to buy permits to exercise freedom of speech in the so called "free country." :lol: LOL

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

I must point out that in The States, that Dissent is no longer allowed on stage, and protesting is basically illegal.

Also freedom of speech is extremely one-sided now.

IE West Boro baptist church gets freedom of speech vote (in their favor) by the Supreme Court, when protest a soldier's funeral, thanking "god" for IEDs because the soldier was gay.

Not even 2 years later, 99 percent have their freedom of speech severely limited by the same Supreme Court.

I would love to do something about it, but problem is, what can we do, that doesn't give them the chance to call us criminals and lock us in a cage!?!

Lach0121

Yeah because they got a permit, that makes it A-OK :roll: (legally you are correct, but then again anyone with a brain knows "current" legality is a freaking joke!)

Oh and because the state/city/parish/county/district will sure give anyone a permit who wants to protest right?!?

Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple.

Lastly, having to buy permits to exercise freedom of speech in the so called "free country." :lol: LOL

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] The Westboro Baptist Church actually plans ahead and applies for permits to conduct their hateful protests legally. The Occupy Wall Street movement just shows up and camps out in front of businesses. That is the difference. If you want to organize an OWS protest in your city, you only need to apply for a permit. There is nothing that says you cannot protest.PurpleMan5000

Yeah because they got a permit, that makes it A-OK :roll: (legally you are correct, but then again anyone with a brain knows "current" legality is a freaking joke!)

Oh and because the state/city/parish/county/district will sure give anyone a permit who wants to protest right?!?

Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple.

Lastly, having to buy permits to exercise freedom of speech in the so called "free country." :lol: LOL

Also, this does not give anyone the ability to spy on "any" citizen. The ISP simply has the ability to spy on its own paying customers and it loses that ability as soon as those customers find somebody else to provide them internet service. It truly does suck for those who do not have the option to switch to an ISP who chooses not to spy on them, though.

Paragraph 1, I see, and I agree within reason.

The damage of the business' ability to attract customers, I can see how that would be a problem, of course. What isn't mentioned however, is that it is a one-sided setup. meaning that ^^ is bad, but if a business screws over most of its customers (which is far from rare in this corporatocracy) thats just known as business.This is one of the major issues. (now I am not saying every business damaged in that way, due to protests, deserves it)

Paragraph 2, Is a bit of a mis-understanding, I wasn't speaking of this situation (what the thread is initially about) about the:Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple. I was referring to the latest bills (since Patriot act) that have allowed this to happen. I wasn't speaking of this "anti-piracy" measure, but of laws and legislation that has been put into effect that does allow what I have in Italic.

And as added, I unfortunately don't know of any other ISPs in my area that offer decent speeds, and a decent bandwidth cap, that isn't AT&T or Comcast. Both (from what I gather) are in on this.

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Yeah because they got a permit, that makes it A-OK :roll: (legally you are correct, but then again anyone with a brain knows "current" legality is a freaking joke!)

Oh and because the state/city/parish/county/district will sure give anyone a permit who wants to protest right?!?

Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple.

Lastly, having to buy permits to exercise freedom of speech in the so called "free country." :lol: LOL

Lach0121

Also, this does not give anyone the ability to spy on "any" citizen. The ISP simply has the ability to spy on its own paying customers and it loses that ability as soon as those customers find somebody else to provide them internet service. It truly does suck for those who do not have the option to switch to an ISP who chooses not to spy on them, though.

Paragraph 1, I see, and I agree within reason.

Paragraph 2, Is a bit of a mis-understanding, I wasn't speaking of this situation (what the thread is initially about) about the:Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple. I was referring to the latest bills (since Patriot act) that have allowed this to happen. I wasn't speaking of this "anti-piracy" measure, but of laws and legislation that has been put into effect that does allow what I have in Italic.

And as added, I unfortunately don't know of any other ISPs in my area that offer decent speeds, and a decent bandwidth cap, that isn't AT&T or Comcast. Both (from what I gather) are in on this.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] I agree that the permitting system is a bit ridiculous, but I was just pointing out that your comparison of Fred Phelps' clan to OWS wasn't exactly apples to apples. It also makes sense that a city would be able to tell you where to set your protest up and how long you can continue protesting, within reason. If you have a bunch of protesters camp out in front of a business, that protest will damage that business's ability to attract customers.

Also, this does not give anyone the ability to spy on "any" citizen. The ISP simply has the ability to spy on its own paying customers and it loses that ability as soon as those customers find somebody else to provide them internet service. It truly does suck for those who do not have the option to switch to an ISP who chooses not to spy on them, though.PurpleMan5000

Paragraph 1, I see, and I agree within reason.

The damage of the business' ability to attract customers, I can see how that would be a problem, of course. What isn't mentioned however, is that it is a one-sided setup. meaning that ^^ is bad, but if a business screws over most of its customers (which is far from rare in this corporatocracy) thats just known as business.This is one of the major issues. (now I am not saying every business damaged in that way, due to protests, deserves it)

Paragraph 2, Is a bit of a mis-understanding, I wasn't speaking of this situation (what the thread is initially about) about the:Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple. I was referring to the latest bills (since Patriot act) that have allowed this to happen. I wasn't speaking of this "anti-piracy" measure, but of laws and legislation that has been put into effect that does allow what I have in Italic.

And as added, I unfortunately don't know of any other ISPs in my area that offer decent speeds, and a decent bandwidth cap, that isn't AT&T or Comcast. Both (from what I gather) are in on this.

You replied before I could edit lol, so I carry it over in this one in the quotation above.

Now on to your current post. I agree 100% that would be the best way to go about doing it. Maybe something I will end up doing, I have to take another look at what all is avail in my area. But you are right, that would be the fastest way to get their attention, threaten their pocketbook, since this country, (and the big corporations) all but worship the IOUs written on cotton with dead slave owners printed on it. (or the electronic equivalent of)

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="PurpleMan5000"] The Westboro Baptist Church actually plans ahead and applies for permits to conduct their hateful protests legally. The Occupy Wall Street movement just shows up and camps out in front of businesses. That is the difference. If you want to organize an OWS protest in your city, you only need to apply for a permit. There is nothing that says you cannot protest.PurpleMan5000

Yeah because they got a permit, that makes it A-OK :roll: (legally you are correct, but then again anyone with a brain knows "current" legality is a freaking joke!)

Oh and because the state/city/parish/county/district will sure give anyone a permit who wants to protest right?!?

Secondly the ability to spy on any citizen, the ability to detain indefinitely any citizen, and do so without due process of any citizen, that "threatens the national security." This includes (buts sure as hell isn't limited to) protestors. Now unless you can show me where I am wrong, and really, I will have to respectfully say its not so simple.

Lastly, having to buy permits to exercise freedom of speech in the so called "free country." :lol: LOL

I do agree with your second point. But the interenet market has been dominated by pretty much everyone supporting. I have a few small companies but then my interenet would be next to useless. It will be vary interesting to see how this plays out.

For people saying VPN will work, in theory they will not, the way pirates got away with VPN was becuase the RIAA traced them from the outside, but this movement, always your ISP to see everything you are downloading, so they will see it from the inside before and after it goes threw a vpn.

And if anyone says this is a good thing, please stop for a second and think, yes it may slow down piracy, but what esle could it do. Your isp may track everything you do. This movements have the right intetions for stopping piracy, but they go past far more than what they should.

On a side note reading some of the comments it may have been taken out of context, this from another site