Anyone Else Think Infinity Ward Went A Bit Too Far?

You know, with the No Russian mission in MW2. Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option, it's still kind of pointless. I actually though that developers were not allowed to make levels like this... guess I was wrong :|

Not saying it wasn't fun or anything... :D

What was so far about it? Mow them down while they wear nazi uniforms, even if they have no guns, and you're a hero. Make them wear casual clothes and its a controversy.

Basically.

Killing of innocents vs killing of Nazis... there is absolutely a difference there.

What was so far about it? Mow them down while they wear nazi uniforms, even if they have no guns, and you're a hero. Make them wear casual clothes and its a controversy.

XaosII

I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Nothing much :|

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What was so far about it? Mow them down while they wear nazi uniforms, even if they have no guns, and you're a hero. Make them wear casual clothes and its a controversy.

Resistance_Kid

I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Nothing much :|

And im saying, placed in the exact same scenario and context, but with nazi uniforms, and you're a hero.

I noticed you have AoE 2 in your collection. Ever considered you went "too far" every time you killed an innocent worker unit? Nah. You probably went straight to kill those little suckers to purposely damage his economy. Mow down innocent farmers that cant retaliate? Not a problem.

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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

What was so far about it? Mow them down while they wear nazi uniforms, even if they have no guns, and you're a hero. Make them wear casual clothes and its a controversy.

XaosII

I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Nothing much :|

And im saying, placed in the exact same scenario and context, but with nazi uniforms, and you're a hero.

I noticed you have AoE 2 in your collection. Ever considered you went "too far" every time you killed an innocent worker unit? Nah. You probably went straight to kill those little suckers to purposely damage his economy. Mow down innocent farmers that cant retaliate? Not a problem.

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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

What was so far about it? Mow them down while they wear nazi uniforms, even if they have no guns, and you're a hero. Make them wear casual clothes and its a controversy.

XaosII

I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Nothing much :|

And im saying, placed in the exact same scenario and context, but with nazi uniforms, and you're a hero.

I noticed you have AoE 2 in your collection. Ever considered you went "too far" every time you killed an innocent worker unit? Nah. You probably went straight to kill those little suckers to purposely damage his economy. Mow down innocent farmers that cant retaliate? Not a problem.

I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Resistance_Kid

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I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Nothing much :|

KHAndAnime

And im saying, placed in the exact same scenario and context, but with nazi uniforms, and you're a hero.

I noticed you have AoE 2 in your collection. Ever considered you went "too far" every time you killed an innocent worker unit? Nah. You probably went straight to kill those little suckers to purposely damage his economy. Mow down innocent farmers that cant retaliate? Not a problem.

I don't have any false concern or sensitivity in gaming :D

You really didn't read my post completely did you? Sigh... who does these days?

Actually, they can retaliate :)

Resistance_Kid

Admit it. You've probably played Sim City and purposely launched a tornado or earthquake just to see the damage done. You killed thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of completely innocent people.

You sir, are the worst of the worst.

You know, with the No Russian mission in MW2. Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option, it's still kind of pointless. I actually though that developers were not allowed to make levels like this... guess I was wrong :|

Not saying it wasn't fun or anything... :D

Resistance_Kid

I don't have any false concern or sensitivity in gaming :D

You really didn't read my post completely did you? Sigh... who does these days?

Resistance_Kid

In all the games that have been mentioned, the killing people parts are actually part of the game. MW2 is technically supposed to be about war, not the slaughter of innocents :D

By the way, has anyone else noticed how bad American games and movies lately make Russians look? Seriously :D

In all the games that have been mentioned, the killing people parts are actually part of the game. MW2 is technically supposed to be about war, not the slaughter of innocents :D

By the way, has anyone else noticed how bad American games and movies lately make Russians look? Seriously :D

Resistance_Kid

So in war innocent people don't get killed? Wow guys, war doesn't seem so bad nowadays!

Get real dude. Innocent people die everyday. It's reality.

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In all the games that have been mentioned, the killing people parts are actually part of the game. MW2 is technically supposed to be about war, not the slaughter of innocents :D

By the way, has anyone else noticed how bad American games and movies lately make Russians look? Seriously :D

kaitanuvax

So in war innocent people don't get killed? Wow guys, war doesn't seem so bad nowadays!

Get real dude. Innocent people die everyday. It's reality.

I'm probably gonna quit Gamespot soon. People here are making this so frustrating by not reading posts completely. :d

Let me make this clear: I have no sympathy for the idiot civilians who died in that level. it's their fault that they stood there staring at a groupd of crazy Russians with guns rather than running away(in the beginning). I just think there was no point in this level, clear enough? Don't give a **** about civilians-But level was pointless.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

And im saying, placed in the exact same scenario and context, but with nazi uniforms, and you're a hero.

I noticed you have AoE 2 in your collection. Ever considered you went "too far" every time you killed an innocent worker unit? Nah. You probably went straight to kill those little suckers to purposely damage his economy. Mow down innocent farmers that cant retaliate? Not a problem.

Resistance_Kid

I don't have any false concern or sensitivity in gaming :D

You really didn't read my post completely did you? Sigh... who does these days?

I'm probably gonna quit Gamespot soon. People here are making this so frustrating by not reading posts completely. :d

Let me make this clear: I have no sympathy for the idiot civilians who died in that level. it's their fault that they stood there staring at a groupd of crazy Russians with guns rather than running away(in the beginning). I just think there was no point in this level, clear enough? Don't give a **** about civilians-But level was pointless.

Resistance_Kid

If you find that people have a hard time grasping your points, ever thought that it might be the fault of YOUR communciation skills? Nobody's going to bother to read between the lines with a title like that, buddy.

And to answer your question, that's the whole point of the level. You're thrust straight into the view of mindless, crazy mass murderers who kill people just for the sake of killing.

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Running over innocent people in GTA is cool too. It's funny to see people and their false concern for sensitivity in gaming.KHAndAnime

I don't have any false concern or sensitivity in gaming :D

You really didn't read my post completely did you? Sigh... who does these days?

Sorry my bad, misunderstood your post.

I was just pointing out that that there was no real purpose in the mission, not needed in the game, even if you have a choice of whether you want to do it or not.

The level is there for you to witness the terrorist attack that made the millitary go after the SoB. If all you saw were headlines saying that this guy killed a lot of people at an airport, it wouldn't make as much of an impact on the player. But since I actually saw what happened with my own eyes, I instantly thought "this a-hole WILL DIE!" So yeah, I don't think the level was pointless.

The level is there for you to witness the terrorist attack that made the millitary go after the SoB. If all you saw were headlines saying that this guy killed a lot of people at an airport, it wouldn't make as much of an impact on the player. But since I actually saw what happened with my own eyes, I instantly thought "this a-hole WILL DIE!" So yeah, I don't think the level was pointless.

Kaim91

True, that's a good point. Well I guess there's a lot of ways to look at it.

Is people forgetting that there is an option to skip this level?

I was just pointing out that that there was no real purpose in the mission, not needed in the game, even if you have a choice of whether you want to do it or not.

Resistance_Kid

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I was just pointing out that that there was no real purpose in the mission, not needed in the game, even if you have a choice of whether you want to do it or not.

ChiliDragon

Yea, mistake on my part, no problem :)

Is people forgetting that there is an option to skip this level?

DeadlyWormy

Is people forgetting to read posts completely? ;)

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I was just pointing out that that there was no real purpose in the mission, not needed in the game, even if you have a choice of whether you want to do it or not.

ChiliDragon

Is people forgetting to read posts completely? ;)

Resistance_Kid

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Is people forgetting to read posts completely? ;)

ChiliDragon

If I ever left Gamespot, it wouldn't be because of this, it would be to the growing amount of children that come here and try to be smart(and who don't read the topic, and just sprawl nonsense on the last page).

Not that I'm talking about you lol, it's all good.

No. I feel like it was necessary. Unlike all these other games that just tell you "Hey, this is the bad guy. Kill.", Infinity Ward gave you a reason to hate Makarov.

Unfortunately games aren't taken seriously yet by most people and most of the media; mostnon-gamers still seem to think they are silly, simple toys for kids. Games and the industry are maturing fast and the only way it's going to earn the respect it deserves is through the games and the companies themselves. It seems if a modern game contains any hint of controversy e.g. No Russians or Hot Coffee, then it gets blown out of all proportion by the media and non-gamers. The other two main mass-media types - films and books have been portraying all manners of controversial subjects and not always to send a message or make a point, but these forms of media have been around long enough to be respected and taken seriously. It seems we still have a while to go before games are considered alongside those two.

With regards to the No Russians level, I'm not sure what to make of it. I can see it being useful for storytelling purposes and to tug on your emotions. But on the other hand the developers would have known it would have outraged people and I feel they may have even used it as a marketing ploy. For me personally the game wouldn't have been any better or worse without that level. But in a way I think we need a few games like this now and then to push the boundaries of what's considered 'safe'. I look forward to the day when developers will have free reign to tell their stories in any way they wish, whether that requires something controversial or not, without fear of a media storm, and stores refusing to sell their product (Hot Coffee, GTA SA).

Stupid and pointless map. I thought Clowns Of Death was a shooter.

If you want to make a grotesque and mind blowing game that is frought with ethical/moral dilemmas and deep psychological/philosophical puzzles that makes you thing, that makes you question the world, that makes you look at violence and social injustice in a whole new light...fine, that would probably be a great game! A 16-year old girl is kidnapped and sold into prostitution in some rundown ghetto, where you have to live through the everyday horrors that would utterly break any sane person, interact with other victims, see how friendship flourishes even in the deepest depths of hell, fight your way to freedom, to find some peace of mind, to be able to live with your scars, your nightmares. Something like Black Lagoon or Akira.

Deep, psychological, philosophical, grotuesque, yet great stories that truly makes you think and touches your soul.

Last time I checked, that's not what COD is, just another lame, arcady shooter.

I'm probably gonna quit Gamespot soon.

Resistance_Kid

You won't be missed :D If I ever left it would be because of the mods who think piracy doesn't exist and delete every post that even contains that word, irrelevant of context. But now we have nutcrackr as mod to even out the odds :D

ps: SKiDROW for GS Admin *heart* :D

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I'm probably gonna quit Gamespot soon.

True_Sounds

You won't be missed :D If I ever left it would be because of the mods who think piracy doesn't exist and delete every post that even contains that word, irrelevant of context. But now we have nutcrackr as mod to even out the odds :D

ps: SKiDROW for GS Admin *heart* :D

Do they censor EVERYTHING about piracy? I mean, I don't see how discussing piracy is bad, the causes, reasons, development, history, etc.

Quite obvious that actual piracy and file-sharing is a no-no, but objectively discussing piracy and it's reasons etc., do they have sand up their hoohoo?

[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"][QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

Is people forgetting to read posts completely? ;)

Resistance_Kid

If I ever left Gamespot, it wouldn't be because of this, it would be to the growing amount of children that come here and try to be smart(and who don't read the topic, and just sprawl nonsense on the last page).

Not that I'm talking about you lol, it's all good.

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[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"]

If I ever left Gamespot, it wouldn't be because of this, it would be to the growing amount of children that come here and try to be smart(and who don't read the topic, and just sprawl nonsense on the last page).

Not that I'm talking about you lol, it's all good.

KHAndAnime

ZIIING!!

do they have sand up their hoohoo?

junkrika

Sometimes I ask that same question :lol:

^Facepalm at username reference...

Yes, I did think so even though it was fiction, it was like a plot of terrorism sneaking in behind and killing the innocent as a showcase for politics. So no it is not like Gta where you are just a single lunatic without a purpose and the degree of seriousness is not as much as that CoD campaign level, imo.

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[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"] Hey now... I did read your posts completely! :P Annyways. No harm, no foul. :) Now, don't you dare leave Gamespot over this! :xKHAndAnime

If I ever left Gamespot, it wouldn't be because of this, it would be to the growing amount of children that come here and try to be smart(and who don't read the topic, and just sprawl nonsense on the last page).

Not that I'm talking about you lol, it's all good.

Refering to ones username is like refering to his secret identity. You know, there are many absurd usernames on the internet, and they definetely do not tell who the actualy person is. So if you are refering to ones username as who they are, you belong on my 'children who don't use their heads' list ;).

Last time I checked, that's not what COD is, just another lame, arcady shooter.

junkrika

Am not sure if serious.

No joke, I can't believe people are still rambling on about this.

You know, with the No Russian mission in MW2. Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option, it's still kind of pointless. I actually though that developers were not allowed to make levels like this... guess I was wrong :|

Not saying it wasn't fun or anything... :D

Resistance_Kid

You have a option to skip it.

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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

What was so far about it? Mow them down while they wear nazi uniforms, even if they have no guns, and you're a hero. Make them wear casual clothes and its a controversy.

XaosII

I don't know, besides the 'walk into the airport and kill every living innocent human being who is probably going home to see their family'?

Nothing much :|

And im saying, placed in the exact same scenario and context, but with nazi uniforms, and you're a hero.

I noticed you have AoE 2 in your collection. Ever considered you went "too far" every time you killed an innocent worker unit? Nah. You probably went straight to kill those little suckers to purposely damage his economy. Mow down innocent farmers that cant retaliate? Not a problem.

in BOTH of your examples, those people (the people in Nazi uniforms, and the worker unit) are contributing to the war effort. They are either directly killing other people, or building material for the war effort.

As a result, they are legitimate targets of lethal force.

While I applaud IW's efforts to bring the content to what we have come to expect and appreciate in films, tv, and literature, I can understand why some might think it is a bit too far.

But your analogies are insane. You kill nazis? Of course youre a hero; you likely just saved more lives than you ended.

You go in to shoot up an airport? Youre ruining not only dozens of lives, but causing eternal hurt to hundreds or thousands more indirectly.

Am not sure if serious.

No joke, I can't believe people are still rambling on about this.

FrostMTG

I'm losing my faith in humanity... Where do you see me rambling?

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You know, with the No Russian mission in MW2. Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option, it's still kind of pointless. I actually though that developers were not allowed to make levels like this... guess I was wrong :|

Not saying it wasn't fun or anything... :D

nikola96

You have a option to skip it.

'Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option.'

]Let me just quote what I said before, tired of saying it :|

'Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option.'

Resistance_Kid

Well then why do you whine about it? Killing innocents has been part of many games before. So you know whats unnessary? Your thread.

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]Let me just quote what I said before, tired of saying it :|

'Kind of unneccesary if you ask me, even if it was an option.'

Darth_Revan_666

Well then why do you whine about it? Killing innocents has been part of many games before. So you know whats unnessary? Your thread.

I'm just going to go over to Off-Topic Discussion and calm down... Don't really like repeating myself so much :|

It's just a game.

It's just a game.

DigiTM73

pretty much this, ultimately

though I question Activision's/IW's motivation...did they do it to genuinely test the limits, or did they do it simply to sell more copies?

I wonder how many people with disposable incomes simply bought MW2 simply for that single level...at least a few hundred thousand, I imagine.

Activision want to sell game. Make controversy level, Controversy sell game.ferret-gamer