APB a big fail

I bet you didn't read what he said did you? The game doesn't have an advanced engine it doesn't look that great, this is where you stopped right? well it goes on after that, this "fugly" game has requirements that would benefit games that look a lot better, in short the game needs a way more powerful system than the graphics it displays. This could be part of the "beta" deal but this is not beta material, not even alpha, so I doubt it will change much when they release the final version, this is not a problem that would easily be fixed or a problem that would be fixed if it's still present at this point.

And people need to stop jumping on the pro graphics arguments bandwagon, the gameplay is pretty much garbage, everything feels out of place and it's way too stiff, and it isn't even a real MMO, GTA SA mp is more than two times the MMO APB is with the 500 player servers it has. The problems it has aren't there to be fixed, when a MMO reaches beta all it wants to do is check the server load, server endurance, glitches, bugs, and hardware compatibility issues, they don't plan on doing a total overhaul on the engine optimization or gameplay, so when it comes to those aspects, the game is already a lost cause, but since it will most likely be free it might get a few fans, I mean people play MU or Archlord, there will be people to play APB no matter how bad it is since it isn't an abomination like the other two.

DanielDust

I know, but I was just saying that APB isn't a real MMO, since even a game like GTA SA has more than twice the maximum amount of people that APB can sustain on one server.DanielDust

APB promised so much back in 2005, you wouldn't believe it. Such as player controlled turf maps with NPCs at your control and a web page that sent you text messages when your hood was under attack. Yeah, LOL True story. You want a real laugh? Start asking yourself why those pages are no longer to be found in gamespots archives. It has games dated back to the 80's, has it not? Anyway, that aside It's just going the way IV went, "we won't be releasing your usual prototype, run of the mill multiplayer game", right Rockstar, classic deathmatch is over the top innovative. Everything is being mass produced much like food. "Everything is a copy of a copy" in the words of Tyler Durden... Last I checked, APB didn't have car damage, Sega Rally 1995 had that, I mean come on guys this is getting ridiculous, every day is April 1st with you

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Ikavnieks"] Well, it's against the NDA, I just heard that you can get kicked out, I don't know how it happens, I remember one guy putting up vids of the beta, then the whole comments were filled with people warning him to take it off. Also, the graphics are pretty good, no where near '99 graphics and are better the SR2 graphics. Just bear in mind this is an MMO, compare these graphics to other mainstream MMOs and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.rhazzy

Well i have the setup from my sig and i get an average of 35 fps(25 fps min) with everything on max...but the graphics are bad and i should get more fps(Dakan check ur inbox to see what iam talking about :D )

seriously though, on your system, with that kind of performance, it does seem completely unoptimized, though to be fair, it is the beta, and that may change (really needs to) once it is out.

ill still take a look into it once it is out, to see if it is worth it, but if it performs like that, on systems like yours, then it really doesnt seem worth it.

even though the finished product may be better than the beta, even a decent amount.. I still dont think its gonna be that optimized... lately what you see in beta is very close to what you see in final product. ( just with sligtly more bugs/glitches)

seriously your average fps on that res, with that system should be around 60... not 35..

APB promised so much back in 2005, you wouldn't believe it. Such as player controlled turf maps with NPCs at your control and a web page that sent you text messages when your hood was under attack. Yeah, LOL True story. You want a real laugh? Start asking yourself why those pages are no longer to be found in gamespots archives. It has games dated back to the 80's, has it not? Anyway, that aside It's just going the way IV went, "we won't be releasing your usual prototype, run of the mill multiplayer game", right Rockstar, classic deathmatch is over the top innovative. Everything is being mass produced much like food. "Everything is a copy of a copy" in the words of Tyler Durden... Last I checked, APB didn't have car damage, Sega Rally 1995 had that, I mean come on guys this is getting ridiculous, every day is April 1st with you

Kaelken

Seems like you didn't bother to read it as well, mate. Just check out beta gameplay vids and screenshots - they have absolutely nothing to do with the real game. They aren't going to make much just by updating the graphics. They need major changes - like changing the graphic engine maybe? I mean c'mon, it's a MMO so it doesn't have to be beautiful but still it requires a QUAD CORE and it's UGLIER THAN WOW. What's with that? It doesn't make sense to me.Crimsader

It DOES NOT REQUIRE a Quad. That's RECOMMENDED for the BETA. It runs on dual cores!

If you took your time to read the forums and the site you'd see that 32-bit users are locked to LOW and 64-bit are locked to MEDIUM, while the graphics settings only affect DISTANCE in this beta version. Plus there are tons of conflicts and bugs. UE3 deals with open-world games just fine, it has solid streaming capabilities.

Turfs still exist. NPC control doesn't make any sense. The game is instanced, like Guild Wars. You can call backups and the players are dinamically assigned to various missions. Teams play against other teams in the same mission. What you seem to forget is that the players will shape the game, just like in EVE Online.

You've played the Beta and are complaining about it? That's like eating cake dough and complaining that it looks nothing like the picture in the Cookbook.Treflis

BETA testing is mostly for working out bugs and slight game play problems. The core mechanics of the game play should have been long iron out and address in the ALPHA testing.

If a whole, larger layer of strategic planning and playing, not to mention physically owning a part of a city, which what was ultimately the idea of vice and it's sister world scarface "busy taking over", "the world is yours" etc, with your crew, NPCs and REAL players together, really doesn't make sense to you, I will have to quote the movie ghetto blaster: "I feel sorry for joo madda"

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"Of course, the game will attempt to go beyond simply making another massively multiplayer time-sink with carjacking in place of beating up orcs"

lmfao

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"you'll be able to run with a gang that consists of real-life players (who are also controlling characters who are gang members), as well as computer-controlled gang members you can recruit. As a gang leader, you'll apparently be able to create your own custom gang with its own custom colors and uniforms, and you'll even have a custom Web page created for your gang by the game. These pages will keep track of every gang's membership and exploits and will be a great resource for any ambitious gang leaders looking for their next target--or looking for recon on the gang that just ambushed their turf while everyone was offline.

Apparently, APB will be built around turf wars. According to Jones, the world itself will consist of some 30,000 different territories that you and your buddies will be able to seize by engaging in urban battles against rival gangs to seize their territory. When your gang's territory comes under attack, APB will e-mail you and send an SMS message to your mobile phone. Each territory will act a bit like a resource and will be able to produce "goods"--you know, like Uzi submachine guns, which you can use to equip your fellow thugs or sell on the black market. Some territories may even have a "chain-linked" effect that will offer even better advantages when you control certain nearby territories all at once".

Please explain what freakin NPC control, the control of artificial incompetence in other words, could bring to such a game. It would be like playing with bots in any other game, a shadow of the true experience.

I repeat: what will launch are only the basics. Player-suggested districts will be added, with whatever popular ideas they have. It's the same model EVE Online adopted to great success. Their ambition was too big for their posibilities, so they're releasing the game in pieces - with the advantage that now players will shape its content.

But no, haters gonna hate.

Read the quote again, producers of APB wrote that, before they decided to go for a mainstream cut down version, which it would seem they figured would sell for damned reason, I don't know?! Maybe they expect people have low standards

What is dumbed down in replacing NPCs with human players? All clans consist entirely of human players. NPCs have more of a support role for Enforcers, because criminal activities against NPCs will be reported by them and will customise the bounty, the notoriety and the actual in-game APB.

The APB worlds are among the biggest for an MMO, supporting 100000 players each. Cities and districts with different rules are instanced, but players can easily transfer between them. There are rewards and metagames that spread across different cities.

If anything, the concept has evolved from the cIassic ermetic developer-driven experience to a more social and organic experience. This mirrors the evolution of Internet communications since APB was first announced.

Don't look at me dude I didn't write it -- fact is the game has been cut, decreased, reduced, minimalized, scaled down and made smaller AND in light of that, yeah APB did fail to deliver, certified.

That sucks, bro.

Oh well, I always have HoN.

I don't see why people are so angry at the negative response to APB. Trust me I wish it was great, I sitll wish some how by some miracle its a decent gameplay experience at launch but I know it won't be. They have been working on this game for years and it is not nearly ready to be released. If they had a couple years more I would say maybe they can come up with something, but from what I've been hearing they plan a June release.

All the arguments over graphics and requirements are pointless when the gameplay is nigh horrible. If they game had the best graphics in the world and ran on a netbook I still could not play it due to the horrible play mechanics.

I was really looking forward to it but not any more. I feel bad for the people at RTW who have worked so long and I imagine hard at the project. They surely realize APB is doomed just from the response on the beta forums. The draconian enforcement of the NDA makes perfect sense after an hour of playing the game but for them to want to keep people ignorant so they buy the game is fraudulent.

If I hadn't played the beta I wouldn't believe me either, but its the sad truth.

Yeah my bro is in on the beta and he says it is epic failsauce! The only thing semi-remotely cool or done well is the customization but everything else is janky. Car combat is a joke and so is the shooting. I guess every mmo has its selling point and APB has customisation and nothing else. What a shame.

Hey amigo I would also like to see some SS, could you send me some? Thanks.

I don't see why people are so angry at the negative response to APB. Trust me I wish it was great, I sitll wish some how by some miracle its a decent gameplay experience at launch but I know it won't be. They have been working on this game for years and it is not nearly ready to be released. If they had a couple years more I would say maybe they can come up with something, but from what I've been hearing they plan a June release.

All the arguments over graphics and requirements are pointless when the gameplay is nigh horrible. If they game had the best graphics in the world and ran on a netbook I still could not play it due to the horrible play mechanics.

I was really looking forward to it but not any more. I feel bad for the people at RTW who have worked so long and I imagine hard at the project. They surely realize APB is doomed just from the response on the beta forums. The draconian enforcement of the NDA makes perfect sense after an hour of playing the game but for them to want to keep people ignorant so they buy the game is fraudulent.

If I hadn't played the beta I wouldn't believe me either, but its the sad truth.

B45AK

Well i did say gameplay is comparable with GTA SA/IV multiplayer but even so is worse than GTA multiplayer...I dont know how many of you guys would like a GTA IV multiplayer game but 10 times worse then it is atm...

Seen some video feeds and I have to say it looks absolutely boring. The concept is great, but when you're seeing it in action you become overwhelm with how poorly executed it is. The art direction is dull, sound dull, plays dull, depth is dull and where on earth is the crime? Right now I can go load up GTA SA mp and have a superior comparative experience without the troublesome of any microtranscation fees arising in the future.

Being an optimist I am happy that gamers are interested with an GTA mmo style game, because it will be marvelous to see Rockstar develop such a game(me and buddies have been discussing these concepts for quite some time).

Put a turd in a dress and dance with it all you want, its still a turd.V4LENT1NE

High though his titles, proud his name, Boundless his wealth as wish can claim,- Despite those titles, power, and pelf, The wretch, concentred all in self, Living, shall forfeit fair renown, And, doubly dying, shall go down To the vile dust from whence he sprung, Unwept, unhonour'd, and unsung Seriously, GTA IV, APB, AVP 3 and Mafia 2 are the 4 horsemen of the gaming industry's apocalypse. Clasics turn weak copies, it's all over nowKaelken

Scott reference?

no seriously this isnt the apocalypse of gaming.. though it may be... if you understand what apocalypse is

ἈποκάλυψιςApokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation"

apokalupsis eschaton, literally "revelation at [or of] the end of the æon, or age".

so by the actual correct definition of apocalypse.. then yes it may be true, we are nearing the end of an Aeon. (Pisces/Christ) and entering a new (Aquarius)

though everything is effected by this revelation.. including the gaming industry, and eventually the global human consciousness.

[QUOTE="Ikavnieks"]It looks great to me. Also, you might want to delete this topic, I believe it is against the NDA to talk about the Beta openly like this, they will kick you out of the beta. However, given you don't like the game, it might be for the best, Less people to whine about the game I guess.rhazzy

They going to kick me out of the beta,how?How would they know which nick i have ingame or anything like that???Yeah anyhow even if they did i wouldnt care less...i really dont like the game.

And btw iam not whining...i just want to let the people know that this game is a bellow average/mediocre game...so they wouldnt get their hopes crushed when the games is released :)

Point is, the quality of games have stagnated a decade ago, those 4 I mentioned are perhaps the best examples.

Just look at Diablo 3 -- still in 2D? Is this April 1st?

I haven't been positively surprised by a game since 2003 so yeah doomsday, funny as it is, games were never this crappy and the gaming industry never made anything close to the amount of cash they are collecting now

So in conclusion, STOP BUYING **** GAMES (like APB), it's your fault we are **** now

Point is, the quality of games have stagnated a decade ago, those 4 I mentioned are perhaps the best examples.

Just look at Diablo 3 -- still in 2D? Is this April 1st?

I haven't been positively surprised by a game since 2003 so yeah doomsday, funny as it is, games were never this crappy and the gaming industry never made anything close to the amount of cash they are collecting now

So in conclusion, STOP BUYING **** GAMES (like APB), it's your fault we are **** now

Kaelken

Point is, the quality of games have stagnated a decade ago, those 4 I mentioned are perhaps the best examples.

Just look at Diablo 3 -- still in 2D? Is this April 1st?

I haven't been positively surprised by a game since 2003 so yeah doomsday, funny as it is, games were never this crappy and the gaming industry never made anything close to the amount of cash they are collecting now

So in conclusion, STOP BUYING **** GAMES (like APB), it's your fault we are **** now

Kaelken

[QUOTE="Kaelken"]

Point is, the quality of games have stagnated a decade ago, those 4 I mentioned are perhaps the best examples.

Just look at Diablo 3 -- still in 2D? Is this April 1st?

I haven't been positively surprised by a game since 2003 so yeah doomsday, funny as it is, games were never this crappy and the gaming industry never made anything close to the amount of cash they are collecting now

So in conclusion, STOP BUYING **** GAMES (like APB), it's your fault we are **** now

V4LENT1NE

i thought it was 3d as well!

i mean just because it has the fixed cam like diablo 1 and 2, doesnt really mean its 2d.

Well, depends on the way you look at it. The models are 3D but the gameplay is 2D, sort of like star trek online

Well, depends on the way you look at it. The models are 3D but the gameplay is 2D, sort of like star trek online

Kaelken

the environments are destructable, there are many levels. stair cases etc.. your barbarian class can jump over things....(or am i wrong about this one)

that to me seems more fixed view 3d, than a 2d gameplay experience...

[QUOTE="Kaelken"]

Well, depends on the way you look at it. The models are 3D but the gameplay is 2D, sort of like star trek online

Lach0121

the environments are destructable, there are many levels. stair cases etc.. your barbarian class can jump over things....(or am i wrong about this one)

that to me seems more fixed view 3d, than a 2d gameplay experience...

A 3D game would be in the style of Oblivion. In Diablo 3 you won't be able to place an arrow manually in 3D, say in the groin or take cover behind rocks. I guess it's a matter of taste, I'd like to manually aim and perform in oppose to the automation of 2D scripted rolls type games.

Point was it's an example of lack of innovation that includes APB

A 3D game would be in the style of Oblivion. In Diablo 3 you won't be able to place an arrow manually in 3D, say in the groin or take cover behind rocks. I guess it's a matter of taste, I'd like to manually aim and perform in oppose to the automation of 2D scripted rolls type games.

Point was it's an example of lack of innovation that includes APB

Kaelken

How many axisis will you be able to move along in Diable 3?

x + y

1 + 1 = 2

You just failed kindergarten math, but I totally get why you can't get passed your biasd love view of some retarded 2D point and click game.

True MGS is mainly played in 2D but has some elements of 3D -- however since you can't move in the 1st person view your still only using 2 axises

Will you ever hear a game developer advertise gameplay in 2D? of course not, they use words like "fast-paced" or "immersive" LOL and you bought into it your whole life

What you are doing on a gaming forum I have no idea, this knowledge is elementary

Kaelken you failed hard before with your arguments but this time....congratulations I doubt you'll ever say something more stupid than that.

Stupid first argument + stupid arguments =/= facts.

Victimize yourself off this forum because you don't really have anything to do here.

A 3D game would be in the style of Oblivion. In Diablo 3 you won't be able to place an arrow manually in 3D, say in the groin or take cover behind rocks. I guess it's a matter of taste, I'd like to manually aim and perform in oppose to the automation of 2D scripted rolls type games.

Point was it's an example of lack of innovation that includes APB

Kaelken

Your short sightedness has crossed beyond mentality and into your actual eyes. Get some ****ing glasses, its a 3D game.

I see no counter arguement, KO in round 1.

Explain to me how movement along 2 axises gives you 3D dimensions, I will wait

I see no counter arguement, KO in round 1.

Explain to me how movement along 2 axises gives you 3D dimensions, I will wait

Kaelken

this is honestly the stupidest thing I have ever heard on this forum.

That's not an arguement, that's whishful thinking

like I said, I will wait

I see no counter arguement, KO in round 1.

Explain to me how movement along 2 axises gives you 3D dimensions, I will wait

Kaelken

That's not an arguement, that's whishful thinking

like I said, I will wait

Kaelken

you honestly have absolutly no idea what your talking about. Even in a game like Oblivion you move in 2D, your always restricted to a plane.

what your talking about is perspective, which has absolutly nothing to do with dimensionality. Just because its played from an isometric perspective does not mean the game is outdated, it is a design choice. That would be like saying RTS's are outdated because their not in first person.

Furthermore, Diablo 3 is in 3D...to argue otherwise would be crazy. They have moved the camera around in demonstrations before...its blatently obvious that the models are in 3D.