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#101 Kaelken
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"If we go by your logic, we still don't have 3D RTSs."

"PRECISELY lieutenant"

We got 1 zombie half awake sky's the limit now lmfao


I am open to any counter arguement -- once I actually hear one

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#102 DanielDust
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God you can't be serious, dude I know you like to argue with people even if you haven't got a clue and then you still argue because you don't want to believe how much of an ***** you are but to take it so far....just go hide in a corner with your stupidity, ignorance and all.


Also read this while you're at it maybe it'll increase your neural activity .

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#103 Kaelken
Member since 2007 • 531 Posts

I see no arguement there

I will wait

x axis + y axis equals 3, we'd love to see that wouldn't we jackie

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#104 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts

I see no arguement there

I will wait

x axis + y axis equals 3, we'd love to see that wouldn't we jackie

Kaelken
In every game where you walk around you're restricted to move only on the x and z planes, does that mean that there's only 2 axis? NO. Seriously dude, 3d games refer to 3d objects, just because Diablo 3 has a fixed camera doesn't make it 2d. all of the models are 3d, explosions are in 3d. Here's a good question for you. You only see one side of the moon at a time, by your logic doesn't that make the moon 2d?
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#105 Kaelken
Member since 2007 • 531 Posts

In every game where you walk around you're restricted to move only on the x and z planes

huh?

Okay this guy is saying every game out there is in 2D, I love where this is going

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#106 Nibroc420
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Learn your geometry... There's 3 Axis, X,Y and Z

X is the horizontal (left and right)

Y is Vertical (up and down)

Z is forward and Backwards.

Btw, love how you simply ignore the rest of my post to fit your argument.

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#107 DanielDust
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Here's another approach and my last attempt to convince you of your stupidity.

For you to consider a game as being 3D you'd have to be able to move in thickness, width and depth. But sure, you solve that problem, and earn yourself a Nobel.

Remember kids, stay in school and learn that an object is in 3D if it has the 3 basic dimensions, adding movement into the equation is *****ded because movement has nothing to do with it.

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#108 Nibroc420
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Here's another approach and my last attempt to convince you of your stupidity. For you to consider a game as being 3D you'd have to be able to move in thickness, width and depth. But sure, you solve that problem, and earn yourself a Nobel.

Pretty sure Kaelken is just trolling now. In order for a game to be "3D" in his viewpoint we'd need holograms
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#109 Kaelken
Member since 2007 • 531 Posts

so

In every game where you walk around you're restricted to move only on the x and z planes

Nibroc420

and if

Y is Vertical (up and down)

Nibroc420

... your saying there hasn't been a single game released where you could crouch or jump, terrific

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#110 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Here's another approach and my last attempt to convince you of your stupidity. For you to consider a game as being 3D you'd have to be able to move in thickness, width and depth. But sure, you solve that problem, and earn yourself a Nobel.Nibroc420
Pretty sure Kaelken is just trolling now. In order for a game to be "3D" in his viewpoint we'd need holograms

He was trolling since he made his GS account and he's still doing it ;). He's by far the worst on the entire PC forum, thank god he posts so "often".

I can remember even now this super fun 3D game.

You could go left, right, front, back, jump, the whole deal, too bad games barely evolved since and we still have 2D games, like all the RTSs, Witcher, Dragon Age, etc.

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#111 Kaelken
Member since 2007 • 531 Posts

I have a very precise arguement

x + y = 2

I find it insanely funny how this is beyond you

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#112 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts

so

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]

In every game where you walk around you're restricted to move only on the x and z planes

Kaelken

and if

Y is Vertical (up and down)

Nibroc420

... your saying there hasn't been a single game released where you could crouch or jump, terrific

How many axis's can you see of the moon/sun at any given point? X and y = 2 therefor moon and sun are both 2d. Lovin your logic
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#114 Nibroc420
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nibroc you are going to fail math, physics and any subject at school that requires you to use cognitive abilities, out there in india, which is mostly all of them yeah, you have my word on that

I am still waiting on someone, perhaps one of the top flamers to come in here and explain how

x-axis + y-axis = 3 axises

Kaelken
India? So you're jumping to the conclusion that i'm Indian now? Wow man. Racism.
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#115 cobrax25
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nibroc you are going to fail math, physics and any subject at school that requires you to use cognitive abilities, out there in india, which is mostly all of them yeah, you have my word on that

I am still waiting on someone, perhaps one of the top flamers to come in here and explain how

x-axis + y-axis = 3 axises

Kaelken

because 3D relates to perspective in this case...not axis of motion.

this is 2D:

this is 3D:

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#116 Nibroc420
Member since 2007 • 13571 Posts

because 3D relates to perspective in this case...not axis of motion.

cobrax25

Exactly!

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#118 Lach0121
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This is what happens with a language that is left up to interpretation.

Both of you could be right if the perception is skewed enough.

Diablo3 could be considered 3d since the models are 3d, and there are destructibleenvironments, spells ect.

Or 2d because Its on a flat freaking screen. (all of gaming, "nvidia 3d gaming aside")

With the right filters the "truth" changes a bit.

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#119 MrLions
Member since 2007 • 9833 Posts
im still crossing my fingers
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#120 GeryGo  Moderator
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I thought the same from the start, it looked like a bad copy of game turned into MMO, just like Matrix - crappy graphics, crappy gameplay

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#121 KHAndAnime
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What a ridiculous argument that isn't relevant to the thread it's contained in. Diablo 3 is a 3-dimensional game contained by a 2-dimensional control scheme. Kaelken's argument is legitimate, but if you wish Diablo 3 to control in 3D, then you can simply play another game (Hellgate London anyone?).
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#122 snared04
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Wtf is APB?

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#123 DanielDust
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What a ridiculous argument that isn't relevant to the thread it's contained in. Diablo 3 is a 3-dimensional game contained by a 2-dimensional control scheme. Kaelken's argument is legitimate, but if you wish Diablo 3 to control in 3D, then you can simply play another game (Hellgate London anyone?).KHAndAnime
What about his RTS argument, that we have no 3D RTSs? maybe he lived under a rock since 2004 maybe even more than that, but nowadays you have almost no RTSs with a fixed camera, you can play them as 3D as you want, still the 3D % of the game won't go higher than 100% and Blizz said in an interview that it's possible that D3 won't have a fixed camera. Ghost Pirates of Vooju Island is a 2D game with 3D models, D3 is a 3D game with 3D models and an isometric camera. He doesn't like that camera, maybe he doesn't even like the genre and he trolls around aimlessly like he usually does, but to compare it with Oblovion o_0 besides not making any sense it also shows his horrible taste in games.
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#124 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]What a ridiculous argument that isn't relevant to the thread it's contained in. Diablo 3 is a 3-dimensional game contained by a 2-dimensional control scheme. Kaelken's argument is legitimate, but if you wish Diablo 3 to control in 3D, then you can simply play another game (Hellgate London anyone?).DanielDust
What about his RTS argument, that we have no 3D RTSs? maybe he lived under a rock since 2004 maybe even more than that, but nowadays you have almost no RTSs with a fixed camera, you can play them as 3D as you want, still the 3D % of the game won't go higher than 100% and Blizz said in an interview that it's possible that D3 won't have a fixed camera. Ghost Pirates of Vooju Island is a 2D game with 3D models, D3 is a 3D game with 3D models and an isometric camera. He doesn't like that camera, maybe he doesn't even like the genre and he trolls around aimlessly like he usually does, but to compare it with Oblovion o_0 besides not making any sense it also shows his horrible taste in games.

RTS games are typically 3D, especially with the camera control. Units walk on a 2D X/Y plane, and most RTS games have at least 2 points on the Z-Axis (ground and air). Games like Homeworld and Sins are definitely 3D.
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#125 Renevent42
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I wonder if Kaelken is serious or just trolling...for his sake I hope trolling.
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#126 unlikely855
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heh... you guys are all so emotional over Diablo, you totally missed his point... the rendering or camera position of diablo 3 doesn't matter, it's the fact that the developers sold you guys the idea that diablo 3 was going to be 3d and all that, then they come out with the same gameplay as before, just with 3d rendering... what part of gameplay in diablo 3 is actually dependent upon it being 3d? is there really anything that goes on that couldn't be done in 2d? it's my understanding the gameplay is the same old top-down navigation, based on 2 axis. an explosion or spell or whatever is rendered 3d, but that adds no real value to the gameplay. the whole point I see him trying to get across to you guys, is that hype says one thing, the mainstream says almost the same, then halfway through it all they scrub all the hype and go as silent as they can. they fake "leaked" ss and all that, exclusive gameplay vids, pre-release reviews only for their puppet websites, silencing beta testers... etc... and then every time we as consumers are let down. if you all wanna keep arguing over the trivial crap and evading the real point, what about duke nukem 3d? 2 and 1/2 D? what's that all about guys? lets dissect that one! your whole off-topic argument is one big troll orgy, you are all putting your hearts into this, when the only logical end to the argument is that all games are technically 2d, because they are simply pixels. go look at your screen resolution...only 2 axis' there right? lol... if you want to start saying the gameplay makes it 3d, then you're conceding to his arguments, because diablo 3's gameplay is 2D as far as I know... back on topic, I knew APB would suck right from the start. if that sorta thing was going to rock, it would have rocked it 6-8 years ago. I know it sounds cynical and whatnot, but I have to agree with the haters, the game industry has been letting us down for the last 7-10 years, and they have soured me into a complete pessimist. no way am I getting my hopes up over anything after so many years of being let down by the industry. no way am I spending money on it until someone I trust tries it first and tells me about it. on the optimistic side, the "eye-candy" and "idiot's learning curve" mainstreaming of gaming that has resulted in the dumbing-down and simplification of gameplay and reduction of challenge over the recent years, can only last so long. eventually the novelty will wear off its usage in spreading games to the mainstream people who previously would have found them clunky, goofy, childish, whatever. once the eye-candy simpleton phase the industry is using to gain market footholds with new demographics wears out, we may see a return to games competing for profit by way of gameplay and immersive story rather than dev's competing for irregular newcomers to electronic gaming. boycotting the stagnating industry and their let-down products is impossible, they always have fresh legions of children ready to pick up and play the crap they are pushing out for us. they have no real comparison to judge what good or challenging gameplay even is... the most likely way of stopping this crap is to help them finish it, spread gaming around to people you know who do not normally play. the sooner we can funnel the average and casual gamers into the industry's profit margins, the sooner we may see a return to developers having to please us with innovative gameplay rather than to gimmick it up looking for fresh players... the sooner we can help them reach their goals, the less we will have to deal with them forcing them upon us, and ruining the quality of games any further in the process.
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#127 Renevent42
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We didn't miss his point, we are just smart enough to see he is wrong.

"because diablo 3's gameplay is 2D as far as I know..."

Well...I guess you don't know much then.

Also, I bet you *are* kaeleken (or whatever the name was) anyways...you just joined today to come to his defense?

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#129 DanielDust
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We didn't miss his point, we are just smart enough to see he is wrong.

"because diablo 3's gameplay is 2D as far as I know..."

Well...I guess you don't know much then.

Also, I bet you *are* kaeleken (or whatever the name was) anyways...you just joined today to come to his defense?

Renevent42
He's not Kaelken. Kaelken trolls in short sentences only evading all the questions.
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#130 Renevent42
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That's all part of the troll strategy! :lol: Eh who knows...and who cares. The argument is so dumb it's not worth "debating". If anybody wants to believe Diablo 3 is a 2D game let em. Anyways I'm not going to waste anymore time on it.
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#131 unlikely855
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nah I'm not kaelken, I know the guy, and like I said, troll orgy. I'm also the type that can't resist a chance to argue, even if I don't even believe in what I'm saying or I know it's flat out wrong. so that outta the way: yeah I don't know anything about diablo, but you still didn't really acknowledge a single point I raised, so let me reiterate them for you: -your screen resolution has 2 axis, not 3. no game is truly 3D. -the "3D" aspects of diablo 3 as far as I know, do not really update the gameplay much from 2d aspects, considering camera is fixed etc... -you can go ahead and say a game, maybe even diablo 3, is 3D because of gameplay, but it you haven't yet so I'm assuming it's not the case. if you did, then you're pretty much on-board with his whole point that gameplay defines the dimensions, not simply rendering. if you're STILL going to sit here splitting hairs over an off-topic argument, go right ahead. doesn't change the way the industry and their affiliates have treated such a minor change over so many years as such a big thing... and that is the point I am arguing here... I don't have to play the game to see the hype, and come see how you guys have eaten it all up here to defend it, despite how pointless, off topic, and futile your whole argument is. the resolution is 2 axis' the camera is STILL fixed, you guys like being ripped off?
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#132 DanielDust
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If people wouldn't be able to use their brain to interpret 3D on 2D (paper, screens) then nowadays we'd still be digging holes with sticks.

In this troll "orgy" there are two types of people, those that accept games as being 3D and those that feel that they are smarter than the others and they have some smart, out of this world, revolutionary answers like, a game can't be 3D because our monitor is 2D and because characters don't jump it's 2D gameplay (technically characters in Diablo jump at certain spells/attacks).

Anyway, last post regarding Diablo 3 in this thread and also last post in this "interesting" APB thread since it's obviously pointless to try to convince the ones that act logical and smart when all they say is irrational.

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#133 Renevent42
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They also traverse up and down stairs/hills/ect...which technically makes the player character move along the Z axis. But let's not let facts get in the way of argument for the sake of argument lol. unlikely855 told you everything you need to know about himself (and really his buddy too). They just like to argue...even when they know they are wrong (hey, you said it). They have to know they are wrong on this point...they are just looking for reactions. Let's just stop feeding them.
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#134 unlikely855
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yay! back on topic. again, the whole 2d/3d argument is trivial and inconsequential... diablo 3 is still majority hype, and a recycled game. 3d doesn't mean anything when gameplay is essentially still 2d. not to mention it is up to the human perspective to visualize on-screen graphics as 3d. I can come here and claim still-image hidden object puzzle games are 3d, and nobody can really stop me. the whole point is and has always been the BS coming from the whole industry machine, and how ready you guys are to defend it all, without once acknowledging my actual points. still, nobody has anything to say about all the other stuff I said about the gaming industry? I'll take whatever stance I can in order to wake people up to the crap coma they have been fed into. I don't care what anyone believes or sees when they play diablo 3 about it being 3d or not. running up a hill is the big new feature? you're still being ripped off. how many years later and what else do they have? they recycled an idea, repackaged it and sold it. nobody can deny is is the current trend with nearly all forms of entertainment media. why are you guys so averse to accepting that it is happening here? but it doesn't matter what I say about that, you guys still wanna paint all that I say as BS because I'm honest about what I'm here to do. SAMP and MTASA pretty much nailed the gameplay niche of APB years ago, no industry hype included. now beta testers are here in agreement with that sentiment from what I've read... it seems to me in this thread I have a fairly strong base to stand upon supporting my argument that industry sucks and they are ******** on us as gamers, they hype everything, and majority of players accept it, and we can see it all here in this thread. edit: yeah I am here for a reaction, but I want an actual response with some substance, discussing the actual issue of APB and the reasoning behind why it would be so crappy after getting so much hype, not your personal feelings on diablo 3. I may have been drawn here by trolling, but I'm not here for that purpose. I'll argue on any point you guys want to make, so long as I can use it to further my beliefs on this topic. if you don't believe you are right, and you don't think you can stand up to defend your belief, what point is there to you even having an opinion? I'm a pretty opinionated guy, and I like talking to people about them, and hearing theirs(they better be up to defend it of course) especially if it pertains to something I've enjoyed most of my life, and I can now see falling to crap: the gaming industry.
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#135 Pvt_r3d
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I thought we were talking about APB...
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#136 unlikely855
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APB is going to suck, for the same reasons most contemporary games suck. reading around this forum I think everyone understands that....