Battlefield 3: Close Quarters

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Anybody have it? I started playing it today and I have mixed feelings on it.

On the one hand the new weapons and assignments are amazing, and the new maps and modes really mix things up. Gun Master is fun (if frustrating), and the maps looks unique and fun. The destruction also isn't as neutered as in other small maps before the DLC, and options like blowing up a wall to take out a room of guys or destroying weak cover with bullets works very well.

On the other hand, they REALLY highlight the flaws of the game. It was built for large scale warfare, and even with Operation Metro the game was balanced.

Here I feel like all the careful balancing is gone because exploits shine SO much more, while the connection problems (where players would get killed behind cover by an enemy that hit them long before that), questionable hit detection, and other minor polish issues just shine bright because the game wasn't really meant to be examined this close. It just feels like a less polished, higher player count Call of Duty in these maps, and the horrible, horrible spawns when you have any players more then 16 just show that it was meant more for consoles.

At least that's how I feel. Its still fun, but I wish we could enjoy classic modes on the new maps, and I strongly dislike the horrible spawning logic they used and playlists that mix up modes when I only feel like playing another mode. I do at least really love the weaponry and assignments, and it makes me excited for Armored Kill because its going entirely in the other direction.

The hit detection is fine but the game demands that you have a fast internet connection that can properly handle network smoothing at 100%, anything less and it is your fault for playing a game whose requirements you do not meet and this will become a requirement for future games in general. As for the CQ DLC, it's nice if you're into hipfire range gameplay but you can expect lots of shotguns and PDWs and it's very difficult to do well in Gun Master if you join late. If you do play CQ then at least play nicely and don't C4 the conquest domination flags just because of the small burn radius.Zubinen

My connection isn't bad, usually under 100 ping but a bit higher then my buddies. The hit detection isn't terrible, but its not on the level of other titles that put more work in more personal battles. Its not like Battlefield has ever had great hit boxes, and connection wise this is the only title that has given me or my friends trouble with lag spikes, something that just shows a lot more in fast paced gunfights.

I was willing to let slide before since I figured it was a bit less polish for a bit more content and a new engine, but here I think its obvious that faster, personal combat just doesn't work as well as the larger battles with the rules they've made and lines they've drawn in the sand in terms of acceptable issues.

I don't hate CQ, it just really puts a spotlight on BF3's flaws.

[QUOTE="Zubinen"]The hit detection is fine but the game demands that you have a fast internet connection that can properly handle network smoothing at 100%, anything less and it is your fault for playing a game whose requirements you do not meet and this will become a requirement for future games in general. As for the CQ DLC, it's nice if you're into hipfire range gameplay but you can expect lots of shotguns and PDWs and it's very difficult to do well in Gun Master if you join late. If you do play CQ then at least play nicely and don't C4 the conquest domination flags just because of the small burn radius.SPYDER0416

My connection isn't bad, usually under 100 ping but a bit higher then my buddies. The hit detection isn't terrible, but its not on the level of other titles that put more work in more personal battles. Its not like Battlefield has ever had great hit boxes, and connection wise this is the only title that has given me or my friends trouble with lag spikes, something that just shows a lot more in fast paced gunfights.

I was willing to let slide before since I figured it was a bit less polish for a bit more content and a new engine, but here I think its obvious that faster, personal combat just doesn't work as well as the larger battles with the rules they've made and lines they've drawn in the sand in terms of acceptable issues.

I don't hate CQ, it just really puts a spotlight on BF3's flaws.

I think the close quarters makes the gunplay shine even more. I think that BF3 has the best gun handling, effects, audio of just about any game and this is across 60+ weapons. Although there is the odd bad spawn I really didn't have a big problem with that. I think the maps are pretty well suited to 32 players. 48 or 64 and it really gets crazy. I'm typically a capsian / firestorm player but am really enjoying these new maps. It's like metro conquest only with no stupid chokepoints :)nutcrackr

Close quarters will be available in the UK on June 26th for those who havent gone Premium, I love Battlefield 3 and am looking forward to being put through the meat grinder of CQ's maps :shock::D

Close quarters will be available in the UK on June 26th for those who havent gone Premium, I love Battlefield 3 and am looking forward to being put through the meat grinder of CQ's maps :shock::D

sloakz

[QUOTE="sloakz"]

Close quarters will be available in the UK on June 26th for those who havent gone Premium, I love Battlefield 3 and am looking forward to being put through the meat grinder of CQ's maps :shock::D

FelipeInside

Yep thats one of the bonus' of premium, Early access to the dlc's. I havent gone premium i think the idea sucks the big one.

Dont know when the release date for the dlc down under felipe, but its still exclusive early access for premium players

Conquest Domination is a solid new addition, most of the maps are decent. Unlike many of the vanilla maps. Outside of CQ i feel the map design is finally back were it needs to be for smaller maps many routes, and exteremly hard to keep a emeny team lock in a spawn. It does so the horrible dice net code as always, been playing with a 50 ping in games and get killed behind walls. Overally its enjoyable and adds some more legs to the game, but its more of a MOH bf3 than actually bf3. If your interested in picking it up just use the proxy trick and get it for $27.20, instead of the overpriced 50

I really like close quarters. It's like metro only you don't sit on a bloody staircase getting bombarded with grenades.

how are the new guns? do they feel different to the existings guns or just another reskinned weapon?

how are the new guns? do they feel different to the existings guns or just another reskinned weapon?

crazytank

I have only played with about 4 and they all feel different.

how are the new guns? do they feel different to the existings guns or just another reskinned weapon?

crazytank

Actually, if you play on a 16 player server, these maps are awesome. The Zebia Tower (or however you spell it), reminds me of Mirrors Edge a lot.

I really like the contrast of the maps. They are completely different than standard BF3 maps. They are very vertical, lots of different levels and ways to get beween the levels, and the destruction is rather awesome. I really enjoy them.

The best part is how the gunplay really shines. The audio is just supurb. Everything sounds so amazing and play so well.

I've also been watching some of the footage from the one map they've showed off of the Armored Kill map pack. If you're worried about the direction Battlefield 3 is going after CQB, then you need not worry. The one map they showed is easily larger than anything we see in BF3 or even back in BF2.

how are the new guns? do they feel different to the existings guns or just another reskinned weapon?

crazytank

They are all really well modeled and are very diverse. I like them.

The "Gun Master" game mode is a take on Gun Game that has you progressing through a selection of all of the CQB weapons and some stock pistols. It's fun though the grenade level is a bit BS becuase the grenades are so weak right now. A necessary balance for the other game modes, but it doesn't fit to well in gun master.

BF3 sucks dude, sorry to hear you wasted even more money on itSKaREO

Not really, but you've proven you are about as ignorant as Jebus when it comes to your blind hate of the game because it's not "hardcore" enough for you.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]BF3 sucks dude, sorry to hear you wasted even more money on itWasdie

Not really, but you've proven you are about as ignorant as Jebus when it comes to your blind hate of the game because it's not "hardcore" enough for you.

Actually, if you play on a 16 player server, these maps are awesome. The Zebia Tower (or however you spell it), reminds me of Mirrors Edge a lot.

I really like the contrast of the maps. They are completely different than standard BF3 maps. They are very vertical, lots of different levels and ways to get beween the levels, and the destruction is rather awesome. I really enjoy them.

The best part is how the gunplay really shines. The audio is just supurb. Everything sounds so amazing and play so well.

I've also been watching some of the footage from the one map they've showed off of the Armored Kill map pack. If you're worried about the direction Battlefield 3 is going after CQB, then you need not worry. The one map they showed is easily larger than anything we see in BF3 or even back in BF2.

Wasdie

I think the new maps are incredibly well designed. People are constantly just running everywhere and I have only had problems with like 2 campers who were quickly dealt with. Gun master is an awesome mode because no one wants to camp, they have to get their kills. And because the other modes force you to literally stick to the flag to capture and it captures fast it means you are always on the go.

Higher player counts totally ruin it and I won't be going any higher than 32 total players because it's stupid above that. The fast respawns means you don't hate dying anymore because you're right back in the thick of it and even if you do crap it feels like you're not doing that bad at all because kills come easily.

There is a higher emphasis on twitch shooting a bit and you have to have pretty fast relfexes to deal with it at times,Which I learned through hardcore SQDM before the DLC and from playing with Zubinen and his buddies. I dare say it even outdoes CoD at thisd stuff

I think the new maps are incredibly well designed. People are constantly just running everywhere and I have only had problems with like 2 campers who were quickly dealt with. Gun master is an awesome mode because no one wants to camp, they have to get their kills. And because the other modes force you to literally stick to the flag to capture and it captures fast it means you are always on the go.

Higher player counts totally ruin it and I won't be going any higher than 32 total players because it's stupid above that. The fast respawns means you don't hate dying anymore because you're right back in the thick of it and even if you do crap it feels like you're not doing that bad at all because kills come easily.

There is a higher emphasis on twitch shooting a bit and you have to have pretty fast relfexes to deal with it at times,Which I learned through hardcore SQDM before the DLC and from playing with Zubinen and his buddies. I dare say it even outdoes CoD at thisd stuff

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Zubinen"]The hit detection is fine but the game demands that you have a fast internet connection that can properly handle network smoothing at 100%, anything less and it is your fault for playing a game whose requirements you do not meet and this will become a requirement for future games in general. As for the CQ DLC, it's nice if you're into hipfire range gameplay but you can expect lots of shotguns and PDWs and it's very difficult to do well in Gun Master if you join late. If you do play CQ then at least play nicely and don't C4 the conquest domination flags just because of the small burn radius.JC_Spot

My connection isn't bad, usually under 100 ping but a bit higher then my buddies. The hit detection isn't terrible, but its not on the level of other titles that put more work in more personal battles. Its not like Battlefield has ever had great hit boxes, and connection wise this is the only title that has given me or my friends trouble with lag spikes, something that just shows a lot more in fast paced gunfights.

I was willing to let slide before since I figured it was a bit less polish for a bit more content and a new engine, but here I think its obvious that faster, personal combat just doesn't work as well as the larger battles with the rules they've made and lines they've drawn in the sand in terms of acceptable issues.

I don't hate CQ, it just really puts a spotlight on BF3's flaws.

Seriously? All the way in Australia? Damn you must have some witch magic internet, or maybe the internet in South America (where I am on vacation) is just poop. At least its never over 200, which I have seen some players playing at, and for my connection I actually do pretty well.

I do love the verticality, but I feel like it throws the minimap into a confused state where blips often disappear. With less players its a blast, but I feel like even with more the spawns should work better, even Operation Metro in 64 players does not spawn me directly in front of or behind an enemy (or not to the extent I would remember it like here).

The biggest Gun Master issue is definitely the grenades. You practically need a direct hit with one for a kill now, but the last non knife weapon is timed with no direct impact making it damn near impossible to get a kill, especially on smaller player counts. Every match I go into has at least one guy at the top, dying repeatedly while the end game music blared for half an hour as we wait for him or someone else or ourselves to finally just get a couple of grenade kills and knife kills and end the damn match.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Actually, if you play on a 16 player server, these maps are awesome. The Zebia Tower (or however you spell it), reminds me of Mirrors Edge a lot.

I really like the contrast of the maps. They are completely different than standard BF3 maps. They are very vertical, lots of different levels and ways to get beween the levels, and the destruction is rather awesome. I really enjoy them.

The best part is how the gunplay really shines. The audio is just supurb. Everything sounds so amazing and play so well.

I've also been watching some of the footage from the one map they've showed off of the Armored Kill map pack. If you're worried about the direction Battlefield 3 is going after CQB, then you need not worry. The one map they showed is easily larger than anything we see in BF3 or even back in BF2.

skrat_01

I would say its worth it, all future DLC (4 packs, 5 if you do have Karkand) for $10 less then if you got then if you got them individually, as well as two week early access and server queue priority. You also get new camo for your guns and character, new assignments, new dogtags, a new knife, server queue priority, plus scheduled stuff like content drops only for premium members, premium exclusive events (like double XP weekends), and bonus videos and strategy guides (if you care for those).

So its all DLC, cheaper and faster, plus a poop ton of other things and being slightly more cared for then non premium people.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Zubinen"] More like people having bad internet and/or lacking the mental capacity to go to options->gameplay and then to turn "Network Smoothing" up to 100%.Zubinen

good god the netcode is horrible. i actually shot a guy and the bullets didn't register until he was out of sight and i wasn't shooting anymore. on another situation, at least 20 bullets registered (according to my PC) and the guy walked off. not to mention the dozens of "i just headshotted you 3 times with the SPAS and you didn't die, you shoot me on the foot once with it and i die" cases. gun master is unplayable as it is.BrunoBRS

Yeah I keep hearing about this problem online, as well as from one of my friends who has repeating issues with it (though his connection is amazing so he really should not have these issues). Its happened to me a few times, I think I wrote it off as my aim being bad or a lag spike or a fluke, but it was a bit more common then it should be for it to have been any of those options.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]good god the netcode is horrible. i actually shot a guy and the bullets didn't register until he was out of sight and i wasn't shooting anymore. on another situation, at least 20 bullets registered (according to my PC) and the guy walked off. not to mention the dozens of "i just headshotted you 3 times with the SPAS and you didn't die, you shoot me on the foot once with it and i die" cases. gun master is unplayable as it is.SPYDER0416

Yeah I keep hearing about this problem online, as well as from one of my friends who has repeating issues with it (though his connection is amazing so he really should not have these issues). Its happened to me a few times, I think I wrote it off as my aim being bad or a lag spike or a fluke, but it was a bit more common then it should be for it to have been any of those options.

It's also random from game to game almost. Sometimes you take guys down with very little effort and other times your shots don't hit at all. It's very frustrating

good god the netcode is horrible. i actually shot a guy and the bullets didn't register until he was out of sight and i wasn't shooting anymore. on another situation, at least 20 bullets registered (according to my PC) and the guy walked off. not to mention the dozens of "i just headshotted you 3 times with the SPAS and you didn't die, you shoot me on the foot once with it and i die" cases. gun master is unplayable as it is.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]good god the netcode is horrible. i actually shot a guy and the bullets didn't register until he was out of sight and i wasn't shooting anymore. on another situation, at least 20 bullets registered (according to my PC) and the guy walked off. not to mention the dozens of "i just headshotted you 3 times with the SPAS and you didn't die, you shoot me on the foot once with it and i die" cases. gun master is unplayable as it is.mitu123

I may be wrong, but I don't recall 1942 having hit detection issues.

I know myself, and I know I'll get mad as hell playing this DLC, so i'm staying far far away.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]good god the netcode is horrible. i actually shot a guy and the bullets didn't register until he was out of sight and i wasn't shooting anymore. on another situation, at least 20 bullets registered (according to my PC) and the guy walked off. not to mention the dozens of "i just headshotted you 3 times with the SPAS and you didn't die, you shoot me on the foot once with it and i die" cases. gun master is unplayable as it is.with_teeth26

I may be wrong, but I don't recall 1942 having hit detection issues.

I know myself, and I know I'll get mad as hell playing this DLC, so i'm staying far far away.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]good god the netcode is horrible. i actually shot a guy and the bullets didn't register until he was out of sight and i wasn't shooting anymore. on another situation, at least 20 bullets registered (according to my PC) and the guy walked off. not to mention the dozens of "i just headshotted you 3 times with the SPAS and you didn't die, you shoot me on the foot once with it and i die" cases. gun master is unplayable as it is.mitu123

I keep getting hit behind walls now more than before, it's like the game can't handle so much action all together in tight spaces. Also the new maps really highlight a lot of problems like the suppression, it's total BS missing guys right in front of you.

And now Battlelog is messed up. Me and Bruno couldn't log in and it told me I had the wrong Email or password. then said "Can't login too many failed attempts" DICE are awful sometimes

oh, and there's this. new update, new glitches.

oh, and there's this. new update, new glitches.

BrunoBRS

I had that happen too.

Annoying as hell, isn't it?