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#151 Iantheone
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And even if we ignore the GPU bottleneck thing it is no evidence for what I asked since core 2 quad isnt there.

From that chart it seems phenom II >> Nehalem >> Sandy bridge so you cant quite know where core 2 quad would have fallen.

Gambler_3

Dude, its a single game. Everyone knows the new intel CPUs are faster. Now, are you going to leave it, or are you going to continue to spout off about how a freaking GTX680 is bottlenecking a PII which goes against everything you have ever said about them?

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#152 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]And your evidence?

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Intel Hyper-Thread's dual threads are not symmetrical in performance i.e. it can degrade If the threads has time critical inter-communications.

Arg no not some technical mumbo jumbo some real performance evidence.

Thanks from the PS3/XBox 360 devs, BF3 PC is a heavy threaded application.

On SSE side, there are weaknesses with AMD's K10.x architecture e.g. FMISC unit is still 64bits wide. IF BF3 avoids FMISC's instructions, K10's SSE128** should rival Intel's SSE128**.

**Both AMD and Intel has 128bits wide FADD and FMUL hardware.

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#153 Gambler_3
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

And even if we ignore the GPU bottleneck thing it is no evidence for what I asked since core 2 quad isnt there.

From that chart it seems phenom II >> Nehalem >> Sandy bridge so you cant quite know where core 2 quad would have fallen.

Iantheone

Dude, its a single game. Everyone knows the new intel CPUs are faster. Now, are you going to leave it, or are you going to continue to spout off about how a freaking GTX680 is bottlenecking a PII which goes against everything you have ever said about them?

lol what did I say? Obviously at 19x10 ultra settings it IS going to bottleneck, whereever did I say otherwise?

And that chart misses one critical information and that is minimum FPS, a chart where the averages are so close no "verdict" can be given if we dont have the minimum FPS.

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#154 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

And even if we ignore the GPU bottleneck thing it is no evidence for what I asked since core 2 quad isnt there.

From that chart it seems phenom II >> Nehalem >> Sandy bridge so you cant quite know where core 2 quad would have fallen.

As for Intel Core 2 Quad's 1.FSB is not even multiplexing 2.FSB is shared between two Core 2 Duo dies. Intel Core 2 Quad is not native Quad-Core CPU design, hence Intel released Core i7 i.e. native Quad-Core design.
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#155 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

And even if we ignore the GPU bottleneck thing it is no evidence for what I asked since core 2 quad isnt there.

From that chart it seems phenom II >> Nehalem >> Sandy bridge so you cant quite know where core 2 quad would have fallen.

Iantheone

Dude, its a single game. Everyone knows the new intel CPUs are faster. Now, are you going to leave it, or are you going to continue to spout off about how a freaking GTX680 is bottlenecking a PII which goes against everything you have ever said about them?

Depends on workload mix i.e. if most gaming benchmark mix are BF3 like workloads then "Everyone knows the new intel CPUs are faster" would not be true. Most PC games are DX9 based game anyway i.e. single thread GPU command generation limitation. This limitation is still with DX10.

Xbox 360 doesn't have this PC DX9/DX10 limitation i.e. I don't have any illusions that PC DX10 are superior at everyway compared to the Xbox 360. On this PC DX9/DX10 limitation, the PC DX9/DX10 is a dinosaur that belongs to single thread DOS era. It's a good thing DX11 has removed this embarrassment.

Atm, it's a single game that uses Frostbite 2.0 engine. Let's see with another Frostbite 2.0 engine based game e.g. "Need For Speed The Run".

PS; I own Intel Core i7-2600 based gaming PC and I don't care if AMD PII beats it.

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#156 C_Rule
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And that chart misses one critical information and that is minimum FPS, a chart where the averages are so close no "verdict" can be given if we dont have the minimum FPS.

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I'd also like to know this. On large maps with 64 people, my FPS is dropping into the high 20's and seems to be in the high 30's to low 40's, when I'm close to the action. I was considering keeping this CPU for another GPU upgrade, but there's not point in pairing it with something like two 6950's, when it's already bottlenecking my 460, in some sceneries.
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#157 Gambler_3
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

And even if we ignore the GPU bottleneck thing it is no evidence for what I asked since core 2 quad isnt there.

From that chart it seems phenom II >> Nehalem >> Sandy bridge so you cant quite know where core 2 quad would have fallen.

ronvalencia

As for Intel Core 2 Quad's 1.FSB is not even multiplexing 2.FSB is shared between two Core 2 Duo dies. Intel Core 2 Quad is not native Quad-Core CPU design, hence Intel released Core i7 i.e. native Quad-Core design.

lol ya just how AMD released the worlds first "real" quad core with the phenom I, we all know how that went. :lol:

Did you seriously just brought that native quad core thing? What is this 2007?

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#158 Gambler_3
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I can bet that intel would be beating AMD at low settings at VGA resolution in BF3. If I am wrong then I'll keep an embarrassing sig of ownage for a month.

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#159 GummiRaccoon
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I can bet that intel would be beating AMD at low settings at VGA resolution in BF3. If I am wrong then I'll keep an embarrassing sig of ownage for a month.

Gambler_3

4x3 = 12GHz

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#161 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"] Yeah, you may want to think twice about keeping your C2D, after playing Caspian Border with 64 players.

My C2Q doesn't seem to be enough for this game. I really want to upgrade to something like a 2500K and 6950 CF, but I think I'll wait till early next year, when 7xxx and 6xx should be out.

wis3boi

Bu bu teh phenom II was enough for all games. :cry:

and in the chart i posted my X6 1100 is sitting right there at 2nd place....non-overclocked. My own X6 is at 4ghz, and with my 570 i get triple digit fps in most MP maps in BF3

This game must love hexa cores.

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#162 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

I can bet that intel would be beating AMD at low settings at VGA resolution in BF3. If I am wrong then I'll keep an embarrassing sig of ownage for a month.

Gambler_3

4x3 = 12GHz

No comments this time since you are a reporting cry baby. Opps you are already gonna report me for calling you that lol.

I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

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#163 superclocked
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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Try Caspian Border.=p

C_Rule

Will do, lol.. In fact, my clan is waiting for me as we type...

Yeah, you may want to think twice about keeping your C2D, after playing Caspian Border with 64 players.

My C2Q doesn't seem to be enough for this game. I really want to upgrade to something like a 2500K and 6950 CF, but I think I'll wait till early next year, when 7xxx and 6xx should be out.

I'm waiting another year to upgrade too.. But I tried a few servers with 64 players, including Caspien border, and I kept checking my framerate in the game using DICE's framerate tool (ctrl+alt+s). The lowest that I saw my framerate drop was 31fps for just a split second (1080p, Ultra, 4xAA, 16xHQAF, HBAO, VSync). It usually stays between 40-60fps, which is fine with me. So for now anyway, I'm just going to put a CPU block (Apogee) on my videocard's GPU, heatsink the VRM's, voltage controller, and VRAM, and see if I can get better performance by overclocking the hell out of my videocard. It has a 5-phase VRM setup for the GPU (compared to 4-phase reference), and the 2GB of VRAM is rated for 5000MHz effective speed (compared to 4000MHz reference). I should be able to make this card pretty fast. It'll be faster than a GTX 570 atleast, and has a good bit more VRAM than the 580 or 570. I'll let you know what kind of framerate boost I get, so we can see how much of a bottleneck our CPU's are...
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#164 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

I can bet that intel would be beating AMD at low settings at VGA resolution in BF3. If I am wrong then I'll keep an embarrassing sig of ownage for a month.

GummiRaccoon

4x3 = 12GHz

lmao.. I love it.

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#165 streetridaz
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

And even if we ignore the GPU bottleneck thing it is no evidence for what I asked since core 2 quad isnt there.

From that chart it seems phenom II >> Nehalem >> Sandy bridge so you cant quite know where core 2 quad would have fallen.

Dude, its a single game. Everyone knows the new intel CPUs are faster. Now, are you going to leave it, or are you going to continue to spout off about how a freaking GTX680 is bottlenecking a PII which goes against everything you have ever said about them?

lol what did I say? Obviously at 19x10 ultra settings it IS going to bottleneck, whereever did I say otherwise?

And that chart misses one critical information and that is minimum FPS, a chart where the averages are so close no "verdict" can be given if we dont have the minimum FPS.

as far as bottlenecking goes AMD chips will only bottleneck a GPU at under 1920x1080 resolution anything at or higher they are virtually identical. For example i'm playing BF3 on a 3.9ghz 955 with Xfire 6950's with Eyefinity Resolution of 5256x1050, Settings all ultra, no blur, FXAA: High, MSAA:0, 16xAF & HBAO and i'm getting 55-70fps. IF i were to play under 1080p resolutions then the intels would kick my 955's butt but otherwise it serves it's purpose until i can upgrade to something better. I'm holding out for Ivy Bridge.
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#166 streetridaz
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

4x3 = 12GHz

No comments this time since you are a reporting cry baby. Opps you are already gonna report me for calling you that lol.

I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

I don't know i might give you a run for your money.....I don't even have to talk junk or be disrespectful i just look at a post wrong and i get modded. I don't even know what i do 90% of the time. :)
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#167 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="streetridaz"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]No comments this time since you are a reporting cry baby. Opps you are already gonna report me for calling you that lol.

I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

I don't know i might give you a run for your money.....I don't even have to talk junk or be disrespectful i just look at a post wrong and i get modded. I don't even know what i do 90% of the time. :)

That's Gamespot for you...
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#168 kraken2109
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[QUOTE="streetridaz"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

C_Rule

I don't know i might give you a run for your money.....I don't even have to talk junk or be disrespectful i just look at a post wrong and i get modded. I don't even know what i do 90% of the time. :)

That's Gamespot for you...

You should try system wars...

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#169 Gambler_3
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I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

GummiRaccoon

Very strange I have gotten modded many times replying to you. I can never understand why a third person is interested in reporting a conversation that has nothing to do with them, it's really annoying. :x

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#170 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

Gambler_3

Very strange I have gotten modded many times replying to you. I can never understand why a third person is interested in reporting a conversation that has nothing to do with them, it's really annoying. :x

There are people who lurk and report.

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#171 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I don't report anyone, I think I probably get modded more than anyone else.

GummiRaccoon

Very strange I have gotten modded many times replying to you. I can never understand why a third person is interested in reporting a conversation that has nothing to do with them, it's really annoying. :x

There are people who lurk and report.

Or they could be, you know, moderators reading through the threads :P
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#172 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Very strange I have gotten modded many times replying to you. I can never understand why a third person is interested in reporting a conversation that has nothing to do with them, it's really annoying. :x

Iantheone

There are people who lurk and report.

Or they could be, you know, moderators reading through the threads :P

Mods don't usually come to PC Hardware, unless they're lost, lol.
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#173 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

There are people who lurk and report.

C_Rule

Or they could be, you know, moderators reading through the threads :P

Mods don't usually come to PC Hardware, unless they're lost, lol.

wasdie has a post in the nvidia 6xx series thread right now.

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#174 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="C_Rule"][QUOTE="Iantheone"] Or they could be, you know, moderators reading through the threads :PGummiRaccoon

Mods don't usually come to PC Hardware, unless they're lost, lol.

wasdie has a post in the nvidia 6xx series thread right now.

Yeah, he comes here, a bit. But being a PC gamer, he has more interest in the stuff.
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#175 Gambler_3
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I always get the notification that the "reporting user got points" so it isnt a mod doing that.

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#176 GummiRaccoon
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You get points for reporting people?

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#177 C_Rule
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You get points for reporting people?

GummiRaccoon
I thought that was no longer the case. If true, no wonder there is such a problem.
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#178 Gambler_3
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You get points for reporting people?

GummiRaccoon

Yes if the moderation is a valid one.

And I just lost points for that response to your "4x3 = 12 Ghz" post and apparantly I was "flaming". :?

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#179 Iantheone
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Its probably easier on the mods to just delete the post if someone reports it regardless of if the person was involved in the discussion or not. Would take way too long to follow up and see if the people involved would want it moderated and such.
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#180 Chris_53
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The stuttering somewhat for me, it occurs after about 10-15 minutes so it could just be a memory leak. Other than that the game is running like a dream on a mix of high and ultra (no AA) at 1920x1080. I havnt measured the exact fps but I would say its between 45-60.
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#181 kaitanuvax
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Boom

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#182 marcthpro
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Source ? clock rate ? Memory ? Video card ? cause here it it seem a bit contradiction with what you show unless high / ultra play a major role in performance lol but yeah iv heard the FX-8150 was badass cpu for this game but poorly optimized for all other AAA title


im infact surpie a core i3 2150 being on the top of the list at high lol but at ultra on ur other benchmark it the i7 870 LGA 1156 ? i wonder if they would perform differently if both overclocked or it is just that the engine was heavily optimize for a cpu which was considred less fast per clock

Because doesn't LGA 1155 in basically all other benchmark around : Starcraft 2 / Metro 2033 / CIV 5 / Mafia II / Far cry 2 : It seem they just optimized the game for gpu like Crysis 1 wasd one :P but well optimized as it run seem ultra on a single HD6870 now as low as 149.99$ AFTER IR & MIR

but im like if it mean a 130-150$ CPU often found cheaper With Selected H61/P67 combo > 274.99$ CPU that poor for AMD :( they need there B3 Stepping which in theory fix there awful performances in games

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#183 Gambler_3
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You dont need anything more than a really fast dual core for this game as is quite evident by the performance of the i3 CPU's. This goes to show how far away we are from needing octa core CPU's for gaming.

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#184 superclocked
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You dont need anything more than a really fast dual core for this game as is quite evident by the performance of the i3 CPU's. This goes to show how far away we are from needing octa core CPU's for gaming.

Gambler_3
Yeah, thumbs up to MIcrosoft for going with a crappy CPU and putting the extra 192 floating point processors in the eDRAM on the GPU die to aid the videocard with alot of tasks that CPU's are traditionally used for. It's really forcing devs to make game engines lighter on CPU resources...
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#185 silversix_
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So dice just lied to us saying only 10% of people playing this game will be able to max it. I have all maxed, 1680x1050, x4MSAA, vsync and framerate never goes under 53 (in multiplayer).
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#186 marcthpro
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So dice just lied to us saying only 10% of people playing this game will be able to max it. I have all maxed, 1680x1050, x4MSAA, vsync and framerate never goes under 53 (in multiplayer).silversix_
it seem so corporation lies are current in this decade :)
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#187 GummiRaccoon
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So dice just lied to us saying only 10% of people playing this game will be able to max it. I have all maxed, 1680x1050, x4MSAA, vsync and framerate never goes under 53 (in multiplayer).silversix_

That's not too far off, if you go by the hardware people have in the steam hardware survey.

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#188 BPoole96
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My buddy has a 6950 with a mix of Ultra and High settings at 1080p and he said he gets 60 FPS the whole time

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#190 marcthpro
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it is Reveal Dice engine 2.0 even when it come to overlcocked cpu the new engine hardly make the benefit of it it all about gpu power and the memory used 8GB 1333mhz C9 or 4GB 2133mhz C11 but then 1-2FPS for cpu not a biggie

IE if i recall Fallout new vegas is also one of those scenario where all is ressource are relay mostly the gpu power they don't fusion with cpu well because it was tested with 12 processor and they basically all ad 59-61fps from the Like the Athelon II X4 to the Phenom II X6 1100T to the I5 2500K

but it wasn't on anadtech who tested it at 1080P.. fi was to find the benchmark... might find it one day anyway
it depend of game : Starcraft 2 use lot of cpu power but hate amd :)

[spoiler]  [/spoiler]

but i think im done talking about BF3 Cpu performances pretty much all place i go it the same result as the benchmark picture above


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#191 wis3boi
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See what happened here now did you all?? bu bu teh GPU bottleneck must have teh SAME FPS teh phenom II beats intel. lol total noobs dont know what other variables are involved in benchmarks, well no I dont think you are all noobs but were trolling about the phenom II beating the sandy bridge because ya all got the chance to for a change.

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you poor poor thing....1-2 fps....get real

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#192 jtcraft
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You guys need to let this thread die.
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#193 Gambler_3
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you poor poor thing....1-2 fps....get real

wis3boi

I was saying the same thing when it was the phenom which was 1-2FPS faster. ;)

I am still saying that 1-2FPS doesnt matter but I was just pointing it out to those who think that it does. I said it that on another day phenom could be 1-2 FPS behind due to other variables as there is a GPU bottleneck but none heard me then as "a GPU bottleneck must result in the EXACT same results". :lol:

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#194 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

you poor poor thing....1-2 fps....get real

Gambler_3

I was saying the same thing when it was the phenom which was 1-2FPS faster. ;)

I am still saying that 1-2FPS doesnt matter but I was just pointing it out to those who think that it does. I said it that on another day phenom could be 1-2 FPS behind due to other variables as there is a GPU bottleneck but none heard me then as "a GPU bottleneck must result in the EXACT same results". :lol:

1-2 fps does matter when the processor you are comparing it to costs significantly less.

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#195 Gambler_3
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1-2 fps does matter when the processor you are comparing it to costs significantly less.

GummiRaccoon

But it wasnt the CPU which was the reason for that difference, that was the whole point and now I have evidence for it. This game remains bottlenecked by other variables at the highest settings unless we get into the low end dual core territory.

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#196 GummiRaccoon
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

1-2 fps does matter when the processor you are comparing it to costs significantly less.

Gambler_3

But it wasnt the CPU which was the reason for that difference, that was the whole point and now I have evidence for it. This game remains bottlenecked by other variables at the highest settings unless we get into the low end dual core territory.

So then CPU doesn't matter at all, so may as well get the 100 dollar cpu.

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#197 red12355
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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

1-2 fps does matter when the processor you are comparing it to costs significantly less.

GummiRaccoon

But it wasnt the CPU which was the reason for that difference, that was the whole point and now I have evidence for it. This game remains bottlenecked by other variables at the highest settings unless we get into the low end dual core territory.

So then CPU doesn't matter at all, so may as well get the 100 dollar cpu.

It would be very short sighted to get a CPU based just on Battlefield 3 benchmarks. What if you want to play different, more CPU intensive games down the road?
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#198 NailedGR
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[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]But it wasnt the CPU which was the reason for that difference, that was the whole point and now I have evidence for it. This game remains bottlenecked by other variables at the highest settings unless we get into the low end dual core territory.

red12355

So then CPU doesn't matter at all, so may as well get the 100 dollar cpu.

It would be very short sighted to get a CPU based just on Battlefield 3 benchmarks. What if you want to play different, more CPU intensive games down the road?

I believe you could take gambler's suggestion and overclock it. the 955s get to 4GHz pretty easily.

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#199 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="red12355"] It would be very short sighted to get a CPU based just on Battlefield 3 benchmarks. What if you want to play different, more CPU intensive games down the road?

Well if a GTX580 is bottlenecking these processors then I would say that youre going to be fine for quite a while.