Fallout rules...!!!
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I gotta say Deus Ex for my choice for a hybrid-RPG
Then Ill say KOTOR 2 for pure RPG...not the best story, but its the most fun!
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o and Fable The Lost Chapters Was good aswellÂ
Oblivion shouldn't be on that list, worst freaking combat in a rpg I've ever experienced you hit someone and they don't react to it. Yes the landscape is huge but why does that matter when there's nothing except for trees and rocks between the cities and a meaningless cave every mile or so. I really tried to enjoy the game but I simply couldn't.ikwal
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Morrowinds combat system was much worse, but the game was still 10X better than oblivion will ever be(without mods that is) Â
[QUOTE="ikwal"]Oblivion shouldn't be on that list, worst freaking combat in a rpg I've ever experienced you hit someone and they don't react to it. Yes the landscape is huge but why does that matter when there's nothing except for trees and rocks between the cities and a meaningless cave every mile or so. I really tried to enjoy the game but I simply couldn't.onemic
Morrowinds combat system was much worse, but the game was still 10X better than oblivion will ever be(without mods that is)
I agree. Oblivion shouldnt be on the top RPG's list. It can be in the top Action-Adventure games list however. Same goes for Diablo style games. There is no roll-playing in Diablo. There are no options, nor are there any alteratives to quests or even any sensible dialog. It is more action-adventure than rpg. Good game but people need to learn what genres represent. RPG = Roll Playing Game. These are defined not just by leveling mechanics (although that is one trademark) but by actual game interaction. To play a roll you need to have dialog (usually in the form of quests) to role play into. Without dialog and 2 way interaction there can be no roll play. This can be done in many ways from class specific quests to multiple quest paths. Diablo has none of those roll play definining features. Diablo is not a bad game mind you, but it should be defined as an Action-Adventure with a hint of RPG on the side. Action-Adventure games are basically run around and destroy everything in your path and maybe every now and then collect an item to advance which is what diablo is for the most part.
Morrowind gets my vote for best RPG
Baldur's Gate 2, easily.
And yes, Torment is really really really good too.
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Btw: I feel sorry for those who, in their ignorance, think games such as Oblivion and KOTOR to be the greatest RPG's.
Seriously: "Get taught". As they say.
Amen, bra. :D
Gothic series, but 99% of people who say it sucks have only played the third one.bugtrip
I guarantee my fake made up statistic is more accurate than yours.. 90% of the people that are saying any of those games are better than Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and Planescape have never played them all the way through, or at least has some sort of issue with playing older games, which is understandable. But still!
We have a winner folks : FALLOUT beats all... I`m so surprised at this that I`m gonna dust off the old cds and take a spin in the postapocalyptic world and see if I missed something...emmm78
You have to have a certain type of mind to enjoy these BG, Fallout, Planescape type games, really.. Many people won't get it at all, and can play it forever and never get it, but most people that have a real passion for these games and love brilliant storylines and such.. Many people who play RPGs as a passion, and I don't mean Oblivion (although Bloodlines can count), or Diablo style games are just the certain type of people who enjoy story, atmosphere, setting, dialogue more than anything.. And if you are that type of person, then it's like... no questions asked Fallout is thousands of multiple times better than those other games.
Many of us are probably wondering how you could even imagine putting fallout in even the same poll as those other games, and how you didn't somehow put BG and Planescape in there somehow.. And they are very surprised at the fact that this poll surprised you, and probably pretty amazed that those other games somehow scored so high compared to Fallout.
But there's nothing wrong with you, and I personally don't think you're going to somehow 'see' the greatness in Fallout that makes it so much better than those other games listed above like we do.. You can try.. You can get into the story and atmosphere and setting and dialogue and really try and make a character in this world and admire the brilliant writers and uniqueness of the game and such.. But I still doubt you'll see it more than just another good RPG. You just probably have different tastes. Anyway, have fun with Fallout.Â
[QUOTE="emmm78"][QUOTE="SuperBeast"]How could you possibly have Oblivion on a poll for best RPG? That doesn't make any sense at all. SuperBeast
Oh u must be one of them Oblivion h8ers. And why doesn`t it make any sense? U think it`s a FPS quest style so it`s not a RPG or what?
Erm....No... It's just a horrible RPG game :| Easily the worst Bethesda has ever made and one of the worst to come out recently.   Â
if by worst you mean awsome super kool then you is right. other wise you is wrong. :pI think its outrageous the way so few of you have mentioned deus-ex!Probably the best game of all time imo - the most compelling storyline, characters, choices etc. ever!that said fallout 2 is a close second.
[QUOTE="emmm78"]We have a winner folks : FALLOUT beats all... I`m so surprised at this that I`m gonna dust off the old cds and take a spin in the postapocalyptic world and see if I missed something...Dracunos
You have to have a certain type of mind to enjoy these BG, Fallout, Planescape type games, really.. Many people won't get it at all, and can play it forever and never get it, but most people that have a real passion for these games and love brilliant storylines and such.. Many people who play RPGs as a passion, and I don't mean Oblivion (although Bloodlines can count), or Diablo style games are just the certain type of people who enjoy story, atmosphere, setting, dialogue more than anything.. And if you are that type of person, then it's like... no questions asked Fallout is thousands of multiple times better than those other games.
Many of us are probably wondering how you could even imagine putting fallout in even the same poll as those other games, and how you didn't somehow put BG and Planescape in there somehow.. And they are very surprised at the fact that this poll surprised you, and probably pretty amazed that those other games somehow scored so high compared to Fallout.
But there's nothing wrong with you, and I personally don't think you're going to somehow 'see' the greatness in Fallout that makes it so much better than those other games listed above like we do.. You can try.. You can get into the story and atmosphere and setting and dialogue and really try and make a character in this world and admire the brilliant writers and uniqueness of the game and such.. But I still doubt you'll see it more than just another good RPG. You just probably have different tastes. Anyway, have fun with Fallout.Â
You may be right and I admit that perhaps the list I`ve made isn`t that conclusive, but then again if there were so many guys like you to disagree OTHER would have won... nevertheless as I had stated above I tryed to count OTHERs from replies and still there`s a big gap between BG or Planetscape and Fallout and only as a personal belief I also assume that they would not have topped Oblivion or Diablo2. There is no argue that since mentioned every game in people`s replies is a great game, but by popular choice the results are undoubtful.
And for people who say my poll makes no sense please check ur gaming manual on RPG definition. I don`t care if it`s an action, TB or whatever RPG, it`s still a RPG.
[QUOTE="Dracunos"][QUOTE="emmm78"]We have a winner folks : FALLOUT beats all... I`m so surprised at this that I`m gonna dust off the old cds and take a spin in the postapocalyptic world and see if I missed something...emmm78
You have to have a certain type of mind to enjoy these BG, Fallout, Planescape type games, really.. Many people won't get it at all, and can play it forever and never get it, but most people that have a real passion for these games and love brilliant storylines and such.. Many people who play RPGs as a passion, and I don't mean Oblivion (although Bloodlines can count), or Diablo style games are just the certain type of people who enjoy story, atmosphere, setting, dialogue more than anything.. And if you are that type of person, then it's like... no questions asked Fallout is thousands of multiple times better than those other games.
Many of us are probably wondering how you could even imagine putting fallout in even the same poll as those other games, and how you didn't somehow put BG and Planescape in there somehow.. And they are very surprised at the fact that this poll surprised you, and probably pretty amazed that those other games somehow scored so high compared to Fallout.
But there's nothing wrong with you, and I personally don't think you're going to somehow 'see' the greatness in Fallout that makes it so much better than those other games listed above like we do.. You can try.. You can get into the story and atmosphere and setting and dialogue and really try and make a character in this world and admire the brilliant writers and uniqueness of the game and such.. But I still doubt you'll see it more than just another good RPG. You just probably have different tastes. Anyway, have fun with Fallout.
You may be right and I admit that perhaps the list I`ve made isn`t that conclusive, but then again if there were so many guys like you to disagree OTHER would have won... nevertheless as I had stated above I tryed to count OTHERs from replies and still there`s a big gap between BG or Planetscape and Fallout and only as a personal belief I also assume that they would not have topped Oblivion or Diablo2. There is no argue that since mentioned every game in people`s replies is a great game, but by popular choice the results are undoubtful.
And for people who say my poll makes no sense please check ur gaming manual on RPG definition. I don`t care if it`s an action, TB or whatever RPG, it`s still a RPG.
According to definition, almost every single game is an RPG to some extent. The RPG genre, however, has a lot of definitions and depends on the person.. Some people say that if it's an 'RPG', then it must be BG style, anything else much be called what it is, E.G. 'RPG/FPS', or Action-RPG
I consider anything that bases itself in things like atmosphere, story, characters, character advancement, character personalization, and etc., to an extent that just 'feels' right to me, is an RPG. So that includes classic RPGs, Oblivion, etc. Doesn't include Diablo for me, though :p
Like I said before.. I can guarantee that if you had physically put Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, and KOTOR up there as a choice, they would have gotten at the very least 50 votes at this point, probably more. Altogether, they would have EASILY gotten 150 votes. The way that you put 'other' doesn't mean that all those people who would have voted one of those three games would have voted for Other, making 'other' therefore 150 votes.. It just doesn't work that way :p People are weird like that.
The only basis I have for that is the fact that Fallout won by over 20.. It easily won over those games, which makes me assume that the types of people that are doing a lot of voting in this thread are the type of people that enjoy games like Fallout. And many people (most people, really, according to my experience in these forums) who like Fallout style games also absolutely loved Baldur's Gate, and Planescape, and it would have spread out a bit more. Obviously there's no way to prove that, besides making another poll, and I don't think anyone cares enough nor does it matter enough to do that :p
You can't count the people who were willing to click your thread, click other, click reply, type the name of Baldur's Gate, and Planescape and KOTOR out, against the people that clicked your thread.. clicked fallout.. clicked okay.. and then left. People are lazy, remember that :p
According to definition, almost every single game is an RPG to some extent. The RPG genre, however, has a lot of definitions and depends on the person.. Some people say that if it's an 'RPG', then it must be BG style, anything else much be called what it is, E.G. 'RPG/FPS', or Action-RPG
I consider anything that bases itself in things like atmosphere, story, characters, character advancement, character personalization, and etc., to an extent that just 'feels' right to me, is an RPG. So that includes classic RPGs, Oblivion, etc. Doesn't include Diablo for me, though :p
Like I said before.. I can guarantee that if you had physically put Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, and KOTOR up there as a choice, they would have gotten at the very least 50 votes at this point, probably more. Altogether, they would have EASILY gotten 150 votes. The way that you put 'other' doesn't mean that all those people who would have voted one of those three games would have voted for Other, making 'other' therefore 150 votes.. It just doesn't work that way :p People are weird like that.
The only basis I have for that is the fact that Fallout won by over 20.. It easily won over those games, which makes me assume that the types of people that are doing a lot of voting in this thread are the type of people that enjoy games like Fallout. And many people (most people, really, according to my experience in these forums) who like Fallout style games also absolutely loved Baldur's Gate, and Planescape, and it would have spread out a bit more. Obviously there's no way to prove that, besides making another poll, and I don't think anyone cares enough nor does it matter enough to do that :p
You can't count the people who were willing to click your thread, click other, click reply, type the name of Baldur's Gate, and Planescape and KOTOR out, against the people that clicked your thread.. clicked fallout.. clicked okay.. and then left. People are lazy, remember that :p
Dracunos
So are you saying that by a psychological manipulation I had deliberately forced crappy games into my list so that people voted for Fallout?... I`m telling you it`s much simpler then that: my egocentric vision of RPGs made me list my personal favourites and even if people were mislead by my topic title I have never pretended this poll to be an ideal choice, but only one in a thousand on this subject.
Furthermore since this thread looks pretty much dead I was looking forward for your similar topic poll on this matter which you had bragged about...
So are you saying that by a psychological manipulation I had deliberately forced crappy games into my list so that people voted for Fallout?... I`m telling you it`s much simpler then that: my egocentric vision of RPGs made me list my personal favourites and even if people were mislead by my topic title I have never pretended this poll to be an ideal choice, but only one in a thousand on this subject.
Furthermore since this thread looks pretty much dead I was looking forward for your similar topic poll on this matter which you had bragged about...
emmm78
I will!!
I'll do it, I will!! Damnit!!
I will!!
*shuffles feet*
Well.. I will..Â
[QUOTE="SuperBeast"]How could you possibly have Oblivion on a poll for best RPG? That doesn't make any sense at all. emmm78
Oh u must be one of them Oblivion h8ers. And why doesn`t it make any sense? U think it`s a FPS quest style so it`s not a RPG or what?
Oblivion isn't even the best Elder Scrolls game.
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Why isn't Planescape: Torment on the poll?Â
Uhm...where are Baldur's gate 1 and 2, Planescape Torment, and Knights of the Old Republic.
And what the Hell is Diablo 2 doing in that list....that's not an RPG, for f***'s sacke
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Yeah Diablo 2 sucked anyway its the Korean blizzard fanboys out in force.
Lets add Eye of the beholder and Lands of lore series with the Ultima series also........................
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Not diablo **** 2 which is BOLLOCKS
[QUOTE="Dracunos"][QUOTE="emmm78"][QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]Oblivion isn't even the best Elder Scrolls game.
Why isn't Planescape: Torment on the poll?
emmm78
Read above...
*points and laughs at Emmm*
Can you read? Gosh I hope ur not mentally challenged
I'm laughing at you because even more people are coming here and complaining about that same thing :p Can't YOU read?
while reading my mind? Gosh
I will!!
I'll do it, I will!! Damnit!!
I will!!
*shuffles feet*
Well.. I will..
Dracunos
Now seriously man I`ve been browsing for a couple of days now ... you`re still learning how to edit? where`s ur poll? While people throw laughs at me they`re still voting... kind of a paradox, don`t you think?
[QUOTE="Dracunos"]I will!!
I'll do it, I will!! Damnit!!
I will!!
*shuffles feet*
Well.. I will..
emmm78
Now seriously man I`ve been browsing for a couple of days now ... you`re still learning how to edit? where`s ur poll? While people throw laughs at me they`re still voting... kind of a paradox, don`t you think?
Those statements have already been answered by me (and a bunch of other people) if you look through your thread for them :p
My poll is behind you.. And whenever you turn around, it moves so that it is always behind you. And it's a vampire, so you can't cheat and use a mirror.
Of course they're voting. Those are all good games with plenty of people who enjoyed them, and Fallout is often a favorite. But what I (and a bunch of other people) said still stands :p In court, no less.
Yeah, in a round-about way, but it's not a PC game, it's a classic that they brought over. Considering every console game is available on the PC, and how long it was before it was brought to the PC, and the fact that it was a classic with such status that it had.. I wouldn't consider it a pc game.
Dont forget there is plenty of RPG's that are on consoles that are also on PC.
Wether or not a game was originally designed for a specific platform at first then ported to the PC does not mean its not a PC game.
If it appeared on the PC then it is valid. Thusly FF7 is valid.
Yeah, in a round-about way, but it's not a PC game, it's a classic that they brought over. Considering every console game is available on the PC, and how long it was before it was brought to the PC, and the fact that it was a classic with such status that it had.. I wouldn't consider it a pc game.
DABhand_UK
Dont forget there is plenty of RPG's that are on consoles that are also on PC.
Wether or not a game was originally designed for a specific platform at first then ported to the PC does not mean its not a PC game.
If it appeared on the PC then it is valid. Thusly FF7 is valid.
yeah, it's valid. it validly stinks. jrpgs seriously blow.
on another note, i can't believe this thread is still alive. it doesn't even list bg2 on its poll. it should have been shot dead 100 posts ago.
I would have to say the Ultima series, hands down.mismajor99
ah yes, another classic that this poll omits. ultima 7 and ultima underworld are considered two of the best games ever. that they're not on this poll is another sin. and i'm not complaining about the poll, op. i'm just voicing my opinion. i hope you don't take it personally. :)
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