Best RPG ever?

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Yup, it is confirmed, the hate for oblivion and dragon age cannot be hidden. The reason i say it cannot be hidden is because someone said it sucked. I bet everyone would quote that user if i did not say "it most definetly did not suck, it was an improvement over oblivion" and after that people quote me just to say that that does not mean anything and blah, blah, blah!!! Who gives a damn? Point was made, it did NOT suck. I did not said its the best rpg ever, i just said it did not suck. Why we got to lower that too? But anyway i really liked vats, it was a cool idea. I really despise the fact that a user "fixed" someones post in order to say its the first rpg he ever played. I played fallout 1 and 2 before fallout 3 and i do like fallout 2 more but i think fallout 3 comes second. Also i played morrowind and i thought it was pretty meh after that i played oblivion and i loved it!! What you got to say about that? "Nothing, you just like dumbed down games." Really? if that is true why i did not like mass effect and fable but i loved kotor, dragon age and the witcher?Rickylee

Dakan you of all people should realize that consistency is not a strong point on these forums. "I hate this game but I love this game" when the difference is so minimal as to be ridiculous to contemplate. I'm not saying there is no difference just not differences enough to make such a polarizing opinion. An example would be Morrowind and Oblivion. I liked both games and didn't compare one with the other, I just enjoyed them.

There are as many definitions as to what makes a RPG as there are RPGs. So if the game doesn't meet that definition of RPG then it isn't a RPG. Or it isn't a good RPG. This is the way of things with people. I personally have enjoyed almost all the games that are listed and mentioned here except Fallout 1 and Bloodlines because I've never played them and Fallout 2 because I didn't like the atmosphere and feeling of the game. But I wont say it sucked because it didn't. I'm for letting a thousand candles light the way, all with their own and unique beauty.

On the other hand people saying oblivion was bad. Ok, i get it. But when fallout 3 comes and improves alot over oblivion.....dakan45

Woah woah woah WOAH! What are these 'improvements' you speak of? as far as I know the only thing the same about them is they both came from Bethesda and are both RPG. they have more differences than improvements. And i didn't say Oblivion sucked. It was decent, but Fallout 3 was bad. Real bad. If you don't think so, go parade and try and convince others its not, but what you saw as the good protrayal of the post-apocalypse I saw as a Train-wreck falling into Limbo.

[QUOTE="dakan45"] On the other hand people saying oblivion was bad. Ok, i get it. But when fallout 3 comes and improves alot over oblivion.....Aslyum_Beast

Woah woah woah WOAH! What are these 'improvements' you speak of? as far as I know the only thing the same about them is they both came from Bethesda and are both RPG. they have more differences than improvements. And i didn't say Oblivion sucked. It was decent, but Fallout 3 was bad. Real bad. If you don't think so, go parade and try and convince others its not, but what you saw as the good protrayal of the post-apocalypse I saw as a Train-wreck falling into Limbo.

SWG

Yeah The Witcher is at the top of my list next to Divinity 2 and ME2

This post should have been more like "Best RPG you ever played while younger"

Because if you enjoyed Fallout 2 when it was released a while back (Hell I know I did) You most likely wouldn't if you only just heard of it now. Because those "classics" are just what passed as digital entertainment for the time.

And you guys hating on Fallout 3 & Oblivion are probably just old codgers remembering YOUR glory days of RPG's (as opposed to THE glory days. People often confuse those). Fallout 3 was never going to live up to oldschool RPG'rs because for some reason people get more and more jaded and harder to please as they get older. I am including myself here. I didn't enjoy Fallout 3 as much as the first 2, but I still played it and I'm not going to say it sucked because I thought the 2nd was better. (Because it really isn't when you compare them side by side)

That said, all the games listed were great, and I voted for Fallout 2 :P

This post should have been more like "Best RPG you ever played while younger"

Because if you enjoyed Fallout 2 when it was released a while back (Hell I know I did) You most likely wouldn't if you only just heard of it now. Because those "classics" are just what passed as digital entertainment for the time.

And you guys hating on Fallout 3 & Oblivion are probably just old codgers remembering YOUR glory days of RPG's (as opposed to THE glory days. People often confuse those). Fallout 3 was never going to live up to oldschool RPG'rs because for some reason people get more and more jaded and harder to please as they get older. I am including myself here. I didn't enjoy Fallout 3 as much as the first 2, but I still played it and I'm not going to say it sucked because I thought the 2nd was better. (Because it really isn't when you compare them side by side)

That said, all the games listed were great, and I voted for Fallout 2 :P

GideonDrexlar

I've never played Fallout 1 or 2 and I thought Fallout 3 wasn't anything great. The combat system in that game was just terrible and killed it.

We're picking those older games because they are in fact better! Not just because we're nostalgia'ing.

This post should have been more like "Best RPG you ever played while younger"

Because if you enjoyed Fallout 2 when it was released a while back (Hell I know I did) You most likely wouldn't if you only just heard of it now. Because those "classics" are just what passed as digital entertainment for the time.

And you guys hating on Fallout 3 & Oblivion are probably just old codgers remembering YOUR glory days of RPG's (as opposed to THE glory days. People often confuse those). Fallout 3 was never going to live up to oldschool RPG'rs because for some reason people get more and more jaded and harder to please as they get older. I am including myself here. I didn't enjoy Fallout 3 as much as the first 2, but I still played it and I'm not going to say it sucked because I thought the 2nd was better. (Because it really isn't when you compare them side by side)

That said, all the games listed were great, and I voted for Fallout 2 :P

GideonDrexlar

KOTOR

Morrowind, BG2, and PT are the most deserving in a close race, had I known PT was losing so badly I would have voted for it.

Here's a similar Poll I made earlier this year, we will have to see how the 2 Polls compare:

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27151065

since PT was from 1999 (just barely) it wasn't in my Poll.

PT beat out both BG2 and Morrowind in my "Best games 1999-2005" Polls late last year.

Note: no need to vote or comment on my old Poll, just showing for comparison

Ultima VII: The Black Gate is the best RPG I've played in my 20 years of gaming.

well outta those i guess id choose fall out, never got my hands on many of the otheres, but if were talking all time id have top say ff7

I think fallout is the best :)

For those who played and liked the first 2 fallouts recently I'm glad you were able to enjoy them. Although I don't really understand how you can differientiate the first 2 from the 3rd in terms of RP, they were all very similar. Your char progressed the same way, the story plots were the same (Find a water chip save the world from an evil, find a GECK save the world from an evil, find your father save the world from an evil.)

I mean if it was because the 3rd shared elements from first person shooters, fair enough. Gameplay has never been what RPG's were all about. But its shooter elements may be why others consider it their favorite RPG. As for the guy that said the old games are just straight up better. You proved my point just by saying that :P

For those who played and liked the first 2 fallouts recently I'm glad you were able to enjoy them. Although I don't really understand how you can differientiate the first 2 from the 3rd in terms of RP, they were all very similar. Your char progressed the same way, the story plots were the same (Find a water chip save the world from an evil, find a GECK save the world from an evil, find your father save the world from an evil.)

I mean if it was because the 3rd shared elements from first person shooters, fair enough. Gameplay has never been what RPG's were all about. But its shooter elements may be why others consider it their favorite RPG. As for the guy that said the old games are just straight up better. You proved my point just by saying that :P

GideonDrexlar

Writing?

Fallout 3 had downright TERRIBLE writing and childish dialogues.

[QUOTE="GideonDrexlar"]

For those who played and liked the first 2 fallouts recently I'm glad you were able to enjoy them. Although I don't really understand how you can differientiate the first 2 from the 3rd in terms of RP, they were all very similar. Your char progressed the same way, the story plots were the same (Find a water chip save the world from an evil, find a GECK save the world from an evil, find your father save the world from an evil.)

I mean if it was because the 3rd shared elements from first person shooters, fair enough. Gameplay has never been what RPG's were all about. But its shooter elements may be why others consider it their favorite RPG. As for the guy that said the old games are just straight up better. You proved my point just by saying that :P

Mograine

Writing?

Fallout 3 had downright TERRIBLE writing and childish dialogues.

You gotta do more than just say that to convince me, there were plenty of childish dialogue in the other fallouts too, hell one of them used a well-known south park phrase involving a fellow called Kenny.

Ultima 7 The Black Gate

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="GideonDrexlar"]

For those who played and liked the first 2 fallouts recently I'm glad you were able to enjoy them. Although I don't really understand how you can differientiate the first 2 from the 3rd in terms of RP, they were all very similar. Your char progressed the same way, the story plots were the same (Find a water chip save the world from an evil, find a GECK save the world from an evil, find your father save the world from an evil.)

I mean if it was because the 3rd shared elements from first person shooters, fair enough. Gameplay has never been what RPG's were all about. But its shooter elements may be why others consider it their favorite RPG. As for the guy that said the old games are just straight up better. You proved my point just by saying that :P

GideonDrexlar

Writing?

Fallout 3 had downright TERRIBLE writing and childish dialogues.

You gotta do more than just say that to convince me, there were plenty of childish dialogue in the other fallouts too, hell one of them used a well-known south park phrase involving a fellow called Kenny.

[QUOTE="GideonDrexlar"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Writing?

Fallout 3 had downright TERRIBLE writing and childish dialogues.

MajesticXII

You gotta do more than just say that to convince me, there were plenty of childish dialogue in the other fallouts too, hell one of them used a well-known south park phrase involving a fellow called Kenny.

K this has gone a little far, I do actually prefer the first 2 over the 3rd I'm just tired of people saying something sucks because they couldn't enjoy it. Nor could you make someone enjoy a game just because you thought it was better. Fallout 3 made game of the year, so it clearly didn't suck. The premise of the fallout games was identical. That was my whole point, and new-generation gamers would most likely have an easier time getting into said premise due to the tech and gameplay differences (which are quite vast I might add)

I've played both Fallout 2 and 3 recently and I can tell you that Fallout 3 was a much better game. The reason all these people seem to feel Fallout 2 was such a great game is plainly due to nostalgia. Its human nature for memories to grow and I sense there is also a factor of supporting the retro game just to look hip.

I find this is not just the case with fallout but with all games. There will always be people that say and believe that the games they played in their childhood like pong and pac man are better than all the new gen games.

The real test of a games greatness should be to let someone of the new generation who has no bias for either game decide which one is better. I can tell you sure asa hell no 15 year old would pick fallout 2 over 3.

I've played both Fallout 2 and 3 recently and I can tell you that Fallout 3 was a much better game. The reason all these people seem to feel Fallout 2 was such a great game is plainly due to nostalgia. Its human nature for memories to grow and I sense there is also a factor of supporting the retro game just to look hip.

I find this is not just the case with fallout but with all games. There will always be people that say and believe that the games they played in their childhood like pong and pac man are better than all the new gen games.

The real test of a games greatness should be to let someone of the new generation who has no bias for either game decide which one is better. I can tell you sure asa hell no 15 year old would pick fallout 2 over 3.

B45AK

I think Fallout 2 is a superior game because it has better characters, story, quests, atmosphere and much deeper RPG elements than Fallout 3. It has nothing to do with nostalgia.

None of those, Fallout 3 is the best RPG..

hydr0_32

I hope you are joking... My vote went for Planescape.

[QUOTE="GideonDrexlar"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Writing?

Fallout 3 had downright TERRIBLE writing and childish dialogues.

MajesticXII

You gotta do more than just say that to convince me, there were plenty of childish dialogue in the other fallouts too, hell one of them used a well-known south park phrase involving a fellow called Kenny.

No its not, i played all fallout games and its not that bad as you two make it sound like!dakan45

Said the one who thinks Mass Effect has bad dialogues.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]No its not, i played all fallout games and its not that bad as you two make it sound like!Mograine

Said the one who thinks Mass Effect has bad dialogues.

It has simplistic dialogues and the writing of the story is definetly not that good. The way bioware was unable to explain their own story in detail is pretty obvious, "You cannot understand why the reapears are doing what they do" So it is we who cannot understand or bioware that obviously developed the story as they go? Also the rest of the dialogues are unimpressive and cliche, pretty generic without any memorable quotes. Especially when they turned my character into a spectre some underwelming feeling made me scream "lame!!!!" at that moment, for reasons i simply cannot understand. Of all those things do not make me thing that the dailogues in mass effect were bad, then i dont know what does! Anyway its nowhere near the masterpiece dialogues people hype it to be, kotor was much better at that sector.dakan45

You are describing Mass Effect's dialogues' flaws like they don't exist in Fallout 3, while in fact they are even worse.

Just like Fallout 3 definitely doesn't have ships, right :roll: ?

Wait, why do I even bother :roll: ?

[QUOTE="dakan45"]It has simplistic dialogues and the writing of the story is definetly not that good. The way bioware was unable to explain their own story in detail is pretty obvious, "You cannot understand why the reapears are doing what they do" So it is we who cannot understand or bioware that obviously developed the story as they go? Also the rest of the dialogues are unimpressive and cliche, pretty generic without any memorable quotes. Especially when they turned my character into a spectre some underwelming feeling made me scream "lame!!!!" at that moment, for reasons i simply cannot understand. Of all those things do not make me thing that the dailogues in mass effect were bad, then i dont know what does! Anyway its nowhere near the masterpiece dialogues people hype it to be, kotor was much better at that sector.Mograine

You are describing Mass Effect's dialogues' flaws like they don't exist in Fallout 3, while in fact they are even worse.

Just like Fallout 3 definitely doesn't have ships, right :roll: ?

Wait, why do I even bother :roll: ?

No i did not felt any lameness in fallout 3 diaogues, the game did not feel unepic because it was not supose to be epic, since the game took place in a nuked worldmap. Yeah dont bother, and no fallout 3 did not have spaceships, thats what i understand at that moment, you should have said "boat" instead.dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"]No i did not felt any lameness in fallout 3 diaogues, the game did not feel unepic because it was not supose to be epic, since the game took place in a nuked worldmap. Yeah dont bother, and no fallout 3 did not have spaceships, thats what i understand at that moment, you should have said "boat" instead.Mograine

I should have guessed you would do that, sorry for not buying that dlc, which by the way is not a part of the default game, but i guess i have to buy every dlc outhere and consider it a an actual part of the vanilla game. Just for the record when people talk about stuff like that, they happen to mention that they mean futures that are on a dlc. With the same logic l4d2 has a m60 just because its the compaign of the new dlc, but i wanna see how can someone include that in the original game in any form. You will not be able to have it in the other compaigns and i dont think making user created compaigns with that m60 is possible without buying the dlc, more like stealing the m60 from valve in including it in a mod!dakan45

Yeah, keep clutching at straws.

The second pic is from the original game, not from Z.

Easily Baldurs Gate 2 Shadows of Amn. I swear voting Morrowind just tells me you have never player Baldurs Gate.

Its the definitive RPG.

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

[QUOTE="dakan45"]I should have guessed you would do that, sorry for not buying that dlc, which by the way is not a part of the default game, but i guess i have to buy every dlc outhere and consider it a an actual part of the vanilla game. Just for the record when people talk about stuff like that, they happen to mention that they mean futures that are on a dlc. With the same logic l4d2 has a m60 just because its the compaign of the new dlc, but i wanna see how can someone include that in the original game in any form. You will not be able to have it in the other compaigns and i dont think making user created compaigns with that m60 is possible without buying the dlc, more like stealing the m60 from valve in including it in a mod!Mograine

Yeah, keep clutching at straws.

The second pic is from the original game, not from Z.

Planescape's a black isle game, look it up

The best RPG? Project Eternity.

[QUOTE="mastershakez"]

[QUOTE="hydr0_32"]

None of those, Fallout 3 is the best RPG..

GhoX

I agree, although this forum is incredibly biased against Fallout 3 and Oblivion as you can see.

[QUOTE="GhoX"][QUOTE="mastershakez"]

I agree, although this forum is incredibly biased against Fallout 3 and Oblivion as you can see.

rhazzy

What would a mainstream site like Gamespot be without one of these comments ?

World of Warcraft.

For me it's Divine Divinity, can't think of a single RPG that I loved exploring as much. If we count MMORPG's as well, WoW by far.

EDIT: Again with the old thread bumping...

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="GhoX"] No, this forum has more older gamers than new gamers. The modern RPGs are good, but they are not on the same level with those epic RPGs of old.bussinrounds

What would a mainstream site like Gamespot be without one of these comments ?

True, but at the same time, it's threads like this that go on and on about the "good old days" - it's no wonder we have a "Is PC gaming dying" thread every other day? Ask the majority of this board, and they'd be likely to say there hasn't been a good game since 2004... :roll: