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#1 herzalot
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People pay too much attention to blizzard I think.

Don't get me wrong. Blizzard is a very good game developer. but there are many companies that mostly create good games,but people don't pay attention to them as much as Blizzard. of course you may ask ,then why blizzard gets so much love and others don't? well I say, god blessed Blizzard.;)

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#2 k0r3aN_pR1d3
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Wel maybe because every single blizzard game that gamespot reviewed got a 8.5+ except for Lord of Destruction for D2 and other minor ports and such.

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#3 Phoenix534
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I agree. They are overrated. Still great, though. Warcraft III is the best RTS I've ever played.

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Well, their games rank amongst the pinnacle of their respective genres with games like Starcraft and World of Warcraft while Diablo pretty much invented the Action-RPG/Loot genre.
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#5 madrocketeer
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Every game Blizzard releases rolls out to rave reviews and sell by the bucketloads. By those two facts along they deserve all the attention they get. They are what you could call a "celebrity developer" or a "star developer" - and gaming sites like GS are the paparazzi.
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#6 DanielDust
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EA is overrated, because unlike Valve or Blizzard, they don't deserve most of their attention. This is all people talk these days, Blizzard, Valve, EA, and maybe sometimes, Bioware, Relic.

IMO you're just tired of seeing Blizzard all over the place, you need your reagulars back, Valve and EA, because it's true, lately Blizzard got most of the attention, they deserve it.

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#7 pvtdonut54
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Hmph! :x

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#8 Meejoe27
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You are entitled to your opinion.

If there were no dissenting opinions about Blizzard they could very likely take over the planet.

Please, don't play their games.

Do it for us, do it for freedom.

Viva la revolution!

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#9 nikola96
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People pay too much attention to blizzard I think.

Don't get me wrong. Blizzard is a very good game developer. but there are many companies that mostly create good games,but people don't pay attention to them as much as Blizzard. of course you may ask ,then why blizzard gets so much love and others don't? well I say, god blessed Blizzard.;)

herzalot

I agree

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#10 mrbojangles25
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I would not say they are overrated; their games are very good.

Im just going to say that theyre overhyped.

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#11 THGarrett
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Considering that every one of their games ends up being a AAA title, I think they deserve the attention they get.

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The only reason they get so much attention is they made games anyone can play. Not bad persay but they by no means deserve anymore praise then a company like CD Projekt who takes risks and puts out a game that is mature and not for everyone since it actually requires thinking.

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#13 HenriH-42
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I agree. Also Valve is overrated too. :o

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#14 Meejoe27
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Nintendo is overrated

Valve is overrated

Activision/Blizzard is overrated

EA is overrated

SquareEnix is overrated

SCEA is overrated

Any game company that makes AAA games is overrated and gets too much press.

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#15 herzalot
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Hmph! :x

pvtdonut54
I knew you are going to tell something like that ! Your offical blizzcon thread was a proof that you are a fan of blizzard pretty much !

Considering that every one of their games ends up being a AAA title, I think they deserve the attention they get.

THGarrett
Their games are not AAAA.

I agree. Also Valve is overrated too. :o

HenriH-42
yeah valve is overrated too.
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[QUOTE="herzalot"]

People pay too much attention to blizzard I think.

Don't get me wrong. Blizzard is a very good game developer. but there are many companies that mostly create good games,but people don't pay attention to them as much as Blizzard. of course you may ask ,then why blizzard gets so much love and others don't? well I say, god blessed Blizzard.;)

Hope you got a flamesuit on because you will feel the wrath of the Blizz fanboys.
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i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

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i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

joshthor

Are you talking about last five years or all time?

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#19 naval
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actually they are not -- they are great developers . They make amazing games which are highly replayable with people still playing them years after release
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#20 KHAndAnime
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I think a lot of people underestimate Blizzard's contributions. Blizzard doesn't only make AAA games - nearly every game they release can be considered one of the best games of all time. Every Blizzard game is a classic whether you like it or not.
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[QUOTE="joshthor"]

i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

Phoenix534

Are you talking about last five years or all time?

WoW has taken up most of their time since 2003, not to say they aren't doing anything else, but they needed to release expansions for that beast otherwise they would killed their cashcow. It's time for them to come back into the fold and release SC2 and D3 (unfortunately, it could be another 1-3 years before those titles get released).

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Well Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 are looking like they will be great. I'll reserve my final judgment for when I get to actually play them. However, I was one of the people that wasn't very impressed with Warcraft 3. It wasn't a bad game. The single player campaign was fantastic. But I didn't like the multiplayer because of the heroes. Coming on the heels of Starcraft, Warcraft 3 was kind of a letdown for multiplayer.

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#23 naval
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I would say infact Blizzard gets sometimes unnecessary hate, let me give some examples :-

The only reason they get so much attention is they made games anyone can play. Not bad persay but they by no means deserve anymore praise then a company like CD Projekt who takes risks and puts out a game that is mature and not for everyone since it actually requires thinking.

Whiteblade999

I love Witcher, but let's be honest , the nudity and too much combat made the game much more childish than it should be and the combat really didn't require much thinking.

i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

joshthor

14 games by Valve ?

if we just see fullgreat retail games till now by

valve : HL 1, Hl 2, L4D, TF 2

Blizzard since 1998 : Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Diablo 2 , WoW

Bioware Since 1998 : BG2, KOTOR, NWN, Jade Empire, ME

Relic : Homeworld, Homeworld 2, CoH, DoW , DoW 2

I would say the yare pretty equal as far a number of great games are concerned not to mention Blizzard's expansions are much highly rated

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The reason Blizzard gets so much attention is because they are unique as a developer/publisher. No other developer so fully work to ensure that the games they do release will be truely outstanding.

Every game they have released since Warcraft 1 has been a huge hit and has in one form or another changed the PC Games industry. In short, while you might or might not enjoy the type of game due to personal preferences, when Blizzard releases a game you can be 100% sure that it will be exceptional quality.

No other developer comes close to being so consistant in releasing only super hits of a very very high quality.

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adsf

I think it applies.

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#26 Muxika
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People pay too much attention to blizzard I think.

Don't get me wrong. Blizzard is a very good game developer. but there are many companies that mostly create good games,but people don't pay attention to them as much as Blizzard. of course you may ask ,then why blizzard gets so much love and others don't? well I say, god blessed Blizzard.;)

herzalot

I don't think they're overrated. They make pretty solid games that have lots of replay value and attract a wide demographic. They know what the majority of gamers want...I'm surprised they haven't made a really good FPS yet :P

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i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

joshthor
And as a result, Bioware's last PC effort, Mass Effect, was bugged to hell. Meanwhile, Relic's RTS balance is a joke. They recently had to make a patch the size of an expansion pack to correct the various issues in DoW II. In fact, DoW II now plays like a completely different game as a result of that patch. As for Valve - they cheat. They buy up and hire all sorts of different devs and modders to crank their games. The last game Valve proper actually developed was HL2: Episode 2. Not a bad thing, but I'm just saying you can't really see Valve as a single developer. Blizzard is a rarity in these days and age; they regularly make it on to Wired's Vaporware list and still end up selling their games by the ton while drawing revering bows from game reviewers everywhere like a magnet. Why? Because they take their time with their games. No rushed half-assed buggy releases, no glaring balance issues, no bad optimization - they only release their games when they think it's done. They also support their games like no tomorrow - they recently released a new Warcraft III patch 27 days ago. Try naming many other developers that do that. And this coming from a gamer who only actually likes one of Blizzard's franchises (Diablo).
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[QUOTE="herzalot"]

People pay too much attention to blizzard I think.

Don't get me wrong. Blizzard is a very good game developer. but there are many companies that mostly create good games,but people don't pay attention to them as much as Blizzard. of course you may ask ,then why blizzard gets so much love and others don't? well I say, god blessed Blizzard.;)

Muxika

I don't think they're overrated. They make pretty solid games that have lots of replay value and attract a wide demographic. They know what the majority of gamers want...I'm surprised they haven't made a really good FPS yet :P

Don't be too surprised, they said you can even create a FPS/TPS mod in the SC 2 editor, so who knows they might make an official mod for something like this :P. As a full game, I still expect them to release Ghost, or something similar :(.
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#30 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?

How can Blizzard buy their own section from them?
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[QUOTE="madrocketeer"][QUOTE="joshthor"]

i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

And as a result, Bioware's last PC effort, Mass Effect, was bugged to hell. Meanwhile, Relic's RTS balance is a joke. They recently had to make a patch the size of an expansion pack to correct the various flaws in DoW II. In fact, DoW II now plays like a completely different game. As for Valve - they cheat. They buy up and hire all sorts of different devs and modders to crank their games. The last game Valve proper actually developed was HL2: Episode 2. Not a bad thing, but I'm just saying you really can't see Valve as a single developer. Blizzard is a rarity in these days and age; they regularly make it on to Wired's Vaporware list and still end up selling their games by the ton while drawing revering bows from game reviewers everywhere like a magnet. Why? Because they take their time with their games. No rushed half-assed buggy releases, no glaring balance issues, no bad optimization - they only release their games when they think it's done. And this coming from a gamer who only actually likes one of Blizzard's franchises (Diablo).

Didn't Blizzard buy out Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?DanielDust
How can Blizzard buy their own section from them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_North
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I just LOLED when i saw this thread.
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?Gooeykat
How can Blizzard buy their own section from them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_North

You might wanna readthat.

Condor, Blizzard North was composed of Condor emplyees, and after that they renamed it to Blizz North, Blizzard renamed them, you were right but it's not how you wrote it, besides Blizz North is almost gone now since almost all of the former emplyees left and so far failed, sadly, with their career and all.

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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="joshthor"]

i think blizzard is super overrated. they have only made 1 game and 2 expansions for that one game (world of warcraft) in the last five years. there is no denying they make great games, but they make hardly any. where as other developers make much more:

valve = 14

bioware = 4 (and one expansion)

relic = 4 (and 5 expansions)

Gooeykat

Are you talking about last five years or all time?

WoW has taken up most of their time since 2003, not to say they aren't doing anything else, but they needed to release expansions for that beast otherwise they would killed their cashcow. It's time for them to come back into the fold and release SC2 and D3 (unfortunately, it could be another 1-3 years before those titles get released).

I think sometimes people underestimate the amount of time and money needed to develop/update/maintain an MMO. MMOs are not like other games where once it is released you are more or less done with it. Even before the first expansion for WoW came out Blizzard was continuously releasing updates which included some new areas/loots/enemies. And then there is the whole matter of maintaining an infrastructure for an online service that is to handle millions upon millions of players from all over the world. I still find it kind of amazing that Blizzard managed to make such a success of their first attempt at an MMO. It is not really that surprising that WoW took up a lot of their time, but it says a lot that they are currently working on two different games, another MMO and an expansion for WoW all at the same time as well as overhauling their online services. With the expected expansions for D3 and SC2 (which you can expect to come a year or so after the release of the games) I think you will be hard pressed to find other devs that do as much work as Blizzard.

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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy out Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?

Well, yes, but Valve does that to a significantly larger scale. Portal, for example, was developed by the original team that made the indie effort Narbacular Drop which Valve went and hired, while CS:CZ and L4D was made by Turtle Rock, which Valve also acquired, and DoD began life as a mod.
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] How can Blizzard buy their own section from them?DanielDust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_North

You might wanna read what that. Condor, Blizzard North was composed of Condor emplyees, and after that they renamed it to Blizz North, Blizzard renamed them, you were right but it's not how you wrote it, besides Blizz North is almost gone now since almost all of the former emplyees left and so far failed sadly with their career.

Mmmm yeah, did read it thanks, maybe you should go back and read the guy's post, one point he mentioned was that Blizzard doesn't cheat, they release their own games (unlike Valve who will go out and buy and hire others to make their games - Portal & L4D). Well Condor was bought by Blizzard six months before releasing Diablo. Anyway, not a big deal, good for them, they saw that Condor had a great idea in Diablo and bought them up.
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?DanielDust
How can Blizzard buy their own section from them?

Because Blizzard North used to be Condor.

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[QUOTE="madrocketeer"][QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy out Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?

Well, yes, but Valve does that to a significantly larger scale. Portal, for example, was developed by the original team that made the indie effort Narbacular Drop which Valve went and hired, while CSS and L4D was made by Turtle Rock, which Valve also acquired, and DoD began life as a mod.

I'm pretty sure you're off on CS:S bud. CS:S wasn't made by Turtle Rock - it was by Valve. CS was made by the Gooseman (if I remember correctly) and his modding team, and was acquired by Valve once it grew popular.
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#40 Gooeykat
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy out Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?madrocketeer
Well, yes, but Valve does that to a significantly larger scale. Portal, for example, was developed by the original team that made the indie effort Narbacular Drop which Valve went and hired, while CSS and L4D was made by Turtle Rock, which Valve also acquired, and DoD began life as a mod.

Fair enough, I was just saying, Blizz did do that as well. I know L4D was like that, same with Portal. L4D2 I think is safe to say is certified Valve game since all of the development is being done now that they are under the Valve umbrella. Diablo 2 can be credited as a full fledge Blizzard game as well IMO.
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="Gooeykat"] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_NorthGooeykat
You might wanna read what that. Condor, Blizzard North was composed of Condor emplyees, and after that they renamed it to Blizz North, Blizzard renamed them, you were right but it's not how you wrote it, besides Blizz North is almost gone now since almost all of the former emplyees left and so far failed sadly with their career.

Mmmm yeah, did read it thanks, maybe you should go back and read the guy's post, one point he mentioned was that Blizzard doesn't cheat, they release their own games (unlike Valve who will go out and buy and hire others to make their games - Portal & L4D). Well Condor was bought by Blizzard six months before releasing Diablo. Anyway, not a big deal, good for them, they saw that Condor had a great idea in Diablo and bought them up.

The notion that Blizzard doesn't "cheat" by buying up devs and studios is pretty laughable. I mean, it's like people think it's the same people making their games. They've gone through tons of staff changes. They started out small, now they are huge. Most of the original Blizzard founders aren't even working their to my knowledge. A lot of them left, that I do know. And failed (see Flagship)
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#42 madrocketeer
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] I'm pretty sure you're off on CS:S bud. CS:S wasn't made by Turtle Rock - it was by Valve. CS was made by the Gooseman (if I remember correctly) and his modding team, and was acquired by Valve once it grew popular.

Yeah, my bad. I typed it in a hurry. I meant CS:CZ.
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#43 UpInFlames
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As for Valve - they cheat. They buy up and hire all sorts of different devs and modders to crank their games.madrocketeer

Hiring creative people is cheating? Do you really think Blizzard or anyone else for that matter still employ the same exact people they did a decade ago? Blizzard has grown immensely over the years (especially post 2004). And what have they done? World of Warcraft. Valve hires people with fresh original ideas and enables them to make their vision come true as well as intergrating them into Valve "proper". Counter-Strike team, Day of Defeat team, Team Fortress team, Portal team...they are all Valve (with the possible exception of Turtle Rock since they are at a different location). Also, it doesn't seem that you fully understand Valve's working conditions. These people don't work seperately on different games, they all work together. For example, a "Team Fortress 2 guy" can come to work one day and do something on Day of Defeat. Portal wasn't written by the students that created Narbacular Drop, it was written by the Half-Life writers. Such a development culture is probably why it takes Valve forever to actually put a game out there, but it's a highly empowering and stimulating working environment.

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#44 madrocketeer
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Yeah okay, "cheating" wasn't the right word, and I did try to clarify that this wasn't a bad thing. I'm just saying Valve's relatively more prolific productivity that Blizzard was due to their more aggressive assimilation of good ideas and talented people from such places as the modding community, whereas Blizzard has pretty much operated with the same system throughout. People may change, but the system is pretty much the same.
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#45 mirgamer
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Why are you guys haggling each other over the notions of dev studios "cheating" or whatever by buying up studios? Coz if they aren't buying up studios, they probably, you know, hire talented staff anyway? Its a pointless debate. So what if Blizzard or any other company buys anoter studio? Whats important is the company's policy. While we have people like Activision who are more than happy pumping out the same **** year after year after year, (heck they probably proudly stated that!), Blizzard actually took their time to really really REALLY polish their products before releasing them to their customers and fans. They are prepared to scrap years and years of effort if they think its not up to the quality that their fans expected of Blizzard (see Warcraft Adventures and Starcraft Ghost). Thats a pretty admirable trait, don't you think? I mean, they could have just releases those two turds and probably still make a lot of money just thru the Blizzard hype alone but they didn't take advantage of their customers' trust. And some folks are complaining they are overrated? Probably yeah, they are overrated...coz they totally deserve it. They probably deserve a bit more hype just by their sheer willpower to avoid milking their franchises like Activision and previously by EA.
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#46 Zemus
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I think they are the most overrated developer on the planet and that their games are reviewed on Bias.

But Im just 1 person that no one cares about.

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#47 mirgamer
Member since 2003 • 2489 Posts

I think they are the most overrated developer on the planet and that their games are reviewed on Bias.

But Im just 1 person that no one cares about.

Zemus
I suppose the fact that their games are still being played by million of gamers (be it WoW, Diablo 2, Warcraft III and Starcraft) are all because...they are all biased, isn't it? Each and every single one of them... :)
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#48 Mograine
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Overrated?

And what do you think their place should be, with games like Warcrafts, Diablos and Starcraft?

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#49 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Didn't Blizzard buy out Blizzard North (Diablo, Diablo 2)?madrocketeer
Well, yes, but Valve does that to a significantly larger scale. Portal, for example, was developed by the original team that made the indie effort Narbacular Drop which Valve went and hired, while CS:CZ and L4D was made by Turtle Rock, which Valve also acquired, and DoD began life as a mod.

So valve is hiring people with talent as opposed to losing them(blizzard)?

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#50 shakmaster13
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Overrated?

And what do you think their place should be, with games like Warcrafts, Diablos and Starcraft?

Mograine

Diablo and Starcraft are pretty overrated. Great games, but not as mindblowing that the blizzard fanboys, which are almost as bad as apple fanboys, would want you to belive. WC3 is the best game Blizzard has made so far.