CoD: Modern Warefare 2

I know there has been a lot A LOT of discussion on this subject about how IW having taken away dedicated servers off? :|

iv'e been under a rock for awhile and jsut heard about this and have been reading and researching on the subject.

Heres what I got from a Q & A "Piracy was only a small reason for going to IW.NET - not the whole reason." :|

Developers know that anyone who pirates a game can't go on multiplayer right?(Some people do but they don't last more than a week) but seriously?

Please now we got to pay for maps and we can't make our own.

This is a low blow -_-

Your thoughts? Are you still getting the game?

Plenty of pirates manage to play multiplayer. IW.NET may stop a large number of them but I have no doubt it won't stop everyone. They probabaly couldn't be bothered making anything but a lazy console port to pc and left out the dedicated servers. I'm still getting the game for single player and spec ops co-op mode. Multiplayer doesn't really interest me this time around.

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

I know there has been a lot A LOT of discussion on this subject about how IW having taken away dedicated servers off?

MrLions

not just this, and nothing hasn't been covered in past discussion threads.

anyway, from now on, IW/activision is primarily targetting at multiplaform-console crowd, who will be happy to pay extra 10 bucks for vanilla game, and buy all the upcoming DLCs (maps most likely). and CoD will very likely become a yearly franchise= no dedicated server means short mp life, and so each new CoD game will bring new MP for cod fans to play.

as for those who don't want to pay console price for a PC game and demand dedicated server and mods...they are PC "nerds" and "fanboys," an extreme minority that's inconseuqential to the success of the franchize.

Plenty of pirates manage to play multiplayer. IW.NET may stop a large number of them but I have no doubt it won't stop everyone. They probabaly couldn't be bothered making anything but a lazy console port to pc and left out the dedicated servers. I'm still getting the game for single player and spec ops co-op mode. Multiplayer doesn't really interest me this time around.

October_Tide

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

I don't think you fully understand what's happening... Let me give you an example.

When I installed Crysis Wars it came with 21 maps. LOTS of servers use user-made maps, a lot of them are really good, better than the ones Crytek bundled with the game. These maps are auto-downloaded for you, and it works great. A couple of days after starting to play the game I already had about 50 maps installed!

We're not talking about gameplay-changing mods, I'm not too fond of those either, we're talking solely about map packs, and make no mistake IW will charge for those. Why shouldn't they? If they can raise the price, strip features, and people still buy the game, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Also, without dedicated servers you're stuck with local servers which means lag!

But I agree with you, it's just a game, and that's why I'm not buying it. I decided that the price they ask is too much for what they offer.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

biggest_loser

Well comon....you think IW will be just like "will make the console owners pay but not the PC." That wouldn't make any sense....If they're going to charge consoles then they're going to charge PC owners.(But we'll find out)

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

nunovlopes

I don't think you fully understand what's happening... Let me give you an example.

When I installed Crysis Wars it came with 21 maps. LOTS of servers use user-made maps, a lot of them are really good, better than the ones Crytek bundled with the game. These maps are auto-downloaded for you, and it works great. A couple of days after starting to play the game I already had about 50 maps installed!

We're not talking about gameplay-changing mods, I'm not too fond of those either, we're talking solely about map packs, and make no mistake IW will charge for those. Why shouldn't they? If they can raise the price, strip features, and people still buy the game, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Also, without dedicated servers you're stuck with local servers which means lag!

But I agree with you, it's just a game, and that's why I'm not buying it. I decided that the price they ask is too much for what they offer.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

I don't think you fully understand what's happening... Let me give you an example.

When I installed Crysis Wars it came with 21 maps. LOTS of servers use user-made maps, a lot of them are really good, better than the ones Crytek bundled with the game. These maps are auto-downloaded for you, and it works great. A couple of days after starting to play the game I already had about 50 maps installed!

We're not talking about gameplay-changing mods, I'm not too fond of those either, we're talking solely about map packs, and make no mistake IW will charge for those. Why shouldn't they? If they can raise the price, strip features, and people still buy the game, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Also, without dedicated servers you're stuck with local servers which means lag!

But I agree with you, it's just a game, and that's why I'm not buying it. I decided that the price they ask is too much for what they offer.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

I don't think you fully understand what's happening... Let me give you an example.

When I installed Crysis Wars it came with 21 maps. LOTS of servers use user-made maps, a lot of them are really good, better than the ones Crytek bundled with the game. These maps are auto-downloaded for you, and it works great. A couple of days after starting to play the game I already had about 50 maps installed!

We're not talking about gameplay-changing mods, I'm not too fond of those either, we're talking solely about map packs, and make no mistake IW will charge for those. Why shouldn't they? If they can raise the price, strip features, and people still buy the game, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Also, without dedicated servers you're stuck with local servers which means lag!

But I agree with you, it's just a game, and that's why I'm not buying it. I decided that the price they ask is too much for what they offer.

You may be right, let's wait and see, but I think you're the one not getting the whole picture. Local servers never gives you the same experience that you get with dedicated servers. The rational behind this is pretty simple, they want you to play the game and then move on to the next COD game, they don't want you to continue playing MW2 for years. Taking dedicated servers and mods off is a pretty obvious move. They can do whatever they want though, personally I'm not getting the game with or without mods/dedicated servers, didn't enjoy COD4 that much...

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

When I installed Crysis Wars it came with 21 maps. LOTS of servers use user-made maps, a lot of them are really good, better than the ones Crytek bundled with the game. These maps are auto-downloaded for you, and it works great. A couple of days after starting to play the game I already had about 50 maps installed!nunovlopes

I don't care about mods or user made maps

never have, never will

and make no mistake IW will charge for those.nunovlopes

how long have you worked for IW?

oh you didn't? Well how the **** do you then know for sure that IW will charge for maps?

relic basicly killed moding with DoW2 and they released every single last bit of DLC for free and their are under THQ which has just like activision no problems with milking people

who will be happy to pay extra 10 bucks for vanilla gameteardropmina

you know, over here I had to search very hard to find a place where the game goes for more than the standart new PC game price of 44 to 50€

and it's not like there aren't places in the US where you can get the game cheaper

[QUOTE="teardropmina"]who will be happy to pay extra 10 bucks for vanilla gameEnosh88

you know, over here I had to search very hard to find a place where the game goes for more than the standart new PC game price of 44 to 50€

and it's not like there aren't places in the US where you can get the game cheaper

well, in the US, the game is priced 10 bucks above say, Dragon Age: Origins now. as my game shopping experience goes, you can get games at cheaper prices, but that will apply to all games. for example, at one particular shop you may find all new releases are 5 bucks off, which means that regardlessly, MW2 will be about $10 USD more than standard PC games.

if you get all games at about the same price where you live, good for you and happy gaming with you fresh copy of MW2 when the time comes.

ADD:

tbh I have no idea why you would have problem with what I said? people are indeed willing to pay more for the game. check all the pre-orders around the net, MW2 is at least $10 more expensive than any new release (at amazon, MW2 is firmly $59.99 and DA:O is $46.99, L4D2 $44.99, SW:TFU is $34.99). you guys should be happy that IW/Activision make the right decision to charge more since fans are buying.

As I understand it, this game will be using Peer-to-Peer (P2P) game hosting. :o

Anybody who has ever played an FPS game on the PC using P2P knows a couple things.

First, unless you have a 50 meg connection you can expect lots of laaaaaaaag. Say "Goodbye" to 32 player games, say "hello" to 10 lagging player games instead.

The other thing worth noting is that in P2P you connect your computer directly to another (unknown) person's computer to play the game that he is hosting. This is a hacker's paradise. Don't say you weren't warned!

Over all, this is a massive step backward for PC multi-player gaming.

Personally, I will be waiting for EA to step into the breech with their new Battlefield game. 'Cause it will be a cold day in hell when I step back ten years in PC multi-player gaming experience only to have someone fry my computer because I knifed him in the back.

Caio!

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

The standard price for a PC game is $50, what reason do they have to raise the price up to $60 besides wanting to make more money. I know that games are made so that companies can make a profit, but we as consumers have every right to complain about the price raise and removal or features.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

Lonelynight

I haven't got an issue with the dedicated server thing one bit mainly because I dont find matchmaking a problem at all when its done right, the real issue for me is the that its priced at £34.99 when games like Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age are priced at £24.99, I will get the game and it will probably be an amazing single player experience like the first along with a great multiplayer componant I just hope that other companies dont pick up on the pricing.

Excuse sir: HAVE TO spend money on? HAVE TO? No you do not. You don't have to spend money on it. You have a choice. If you don't like what they are doing to the game then don't buy it. That should be your best form of complaint really. But that shouldn't be an excuse to post pr0n on the IW forums - which I was told happened and also swear at them. Thats ridiculous.biggest_loser

When I said that they have to spend money on it, I meant that games are not free, it is something that has to be payed for, not as in they have to buy CoD 6. And I see nothing wrong with complaining(though I think that posting porn is a little silly and unproductive)

I agree that the best way to show IW that we are unhappy over the raise of the price and stripping away standard features is to not buy the game.(or tell others not to buy it)

I haven't got an issue with the dedicated server thing one bit mainly because I dont find matchmaking a problem at all when its done right, the real issue for me is the that its priced at £34.99 when games like Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age are priced at £24.99, I will get the game and it will probably be an amazing single player experience like the first along with a great multiplayer componant I just hope that other companies dont pick up on the pricing.

Too_tight_shoes

I haven't got an issue with the dedicated server thing one bit mainly because I dont find matchmaking a problem at all when its done right, the real issue for me is the that its priced at £34.99 when games like Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age are priced at £24.99, I will get the game and it will probably be an amazing single player experience like the first along with a great multiplayer componant I just hope that other companies dont pick up on the pricing.

It's a cheap, crappy excuse indeed. I feel like companies are trying to lock out the PC from the games market in general in order to foce gamers to migrate to the console market, which is much more profitable for them. jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]It's a cheap, crappy excuse indeed. I feel like companies are trying to lock out the PC from the games market in general in order to foce gamers to migrate to the console market, which is much more profitable for them. dakan45

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]It's a cheap, crappy excuse indeed. I feel like companies are trying to lock out the PC from the games market in general in order to foce gamers to migrate to the console market, which is much more profitable for them. dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]It's a cheap, crappy excuse indeed. I feel like companies are trying to lock out the PC from the games market in general in order to foce gamers to migrate to the console market, which is much more profitable for them. Lonelynight

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]It's a cheap, crappy excuse indeed. I feel like companies are trying to lock out the PC from the games market in general in order to foce gamers to migrate to the console market, which is much more profitable for them. jimmyjammer69

Single player campain will be surely good and also its been some days since i was playing game wit great interest but when MW2 comes surely tat changes for me so i will buy it...

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Yup. thats what game developers are doing and will keep on doing on the next few years.dakan45

You're right - STALKER CS fell short of its potential because it overreached its possibilities in trying to dominate the market. With the kind of development backing and "marketing support" that some of the polished turds get, there is no reason that CS couldn't have been the best selling game of last year. Even so, CS was, at the least, highly ambitious, which is something that games like MW2 are severely lacking. Even with the kind of budget they've got, they'd rather throw it all at tins of turd polish and marketing than actually implement any technology beyond DX9. We've had at least 4 or 5 DX10 releases from Eastern European studios in the last year or so - even CS was DX10 based, and frankly it looked amazing, while Call of Pripiyat is going to be DX11 based - that's two levels more advanced than the same old technology being rolled out for MW2.

...i am sorry but am not gonna get into a conversation that simple generic games with alot of polish at all their spect such as design, story ideas etc,etc are called polish turds..... I am leaving this to you. I for one would apreaciatte a polished game with nice compaign far more than a buggy borring ovecomplicated mess with weapons that take a few hundrends of bullets to kill something like stalker clear sky.

...i am sorry but am not gonna get into a conversation that simple generic games with alot of polish at all their spect such as design, story ideas etc,etc are called polish turds..... I am leaving this to you. I for one would apreaciatte a polished game with nice compaign far more than a buggy borring ovecomplicated mess with weapons that take a few hundrends of bullets to kill something like stalker clear sky.

dakan45

For the last damn time. I dont even feel like reading these topics. IW.NET has practically NOTHING to do with stopping pirates that is what Steams VAC is for.

It was perhaps boring for you because it was too complicated and too difficult for you. I can't appreciate a game like MW in virtue of its simplicity alone when it brings nothing new to the table, while at least games like STALKER are trying to cater to an intelligent audience and trying to move the genre forwards. Still, we're not going to see eye to eye on this so let's, as you suggest, agree to disagree.

jimmyjammer69

A better developed story wouldnt hurt, both stalker games had rather incomplete if not quick made script structure. Atleast IW did an amazing job on directing cod4 to give the most cinematic experiance ever for a fps. It wasnt hard for me at all, it just had many random annoyances such as accidently stepping through anomalies while fighting and losing health and using banadges all the time (pretty cheap and annoying)

Another thing will be that sometimes it felt like it was lacking in armor defense and weapon efectiveness, at some times it felt ubalanced and soem other times it felt like it was lacking in options for an open ended game. For example in soc the equipment was pretty standard and there was no reason to save money, but in clear sky there were factions to join and plenty of weapons to buy and upgrades to add...

But at the end all those features were not well executed, for example they were not as well executed as in System shock 2 and Deus ex...neither balanced. Call of pripiyat seems like its gonna be more polished, for example they have added quickslots so you can add an item and use it by pressing its number, just like deus ex. Also judging by the akm combat i have seen that the combat is more simplified and polished.

In the end what am trying to point out is that instead of improving clear sky from soc they did the exact opossite and that gives a bad impression. I dont wanna see this happening again with the next game.

people please get the idea, they are charging you +10$ for no apparent reason. also they are bashing you and telling you what to do and how to do it.GazaAli

fair price for me i work...i may have bills to pay also but...an extra £10 for me more of an increase than u guys in the states, does not bother me for a game i know that i will play 60+ hours is fine with me.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]people please get the idea, they are charging you +10$ for no apparent reason. also they are bashing you and telling you what to do and how to do it.dakan45

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]and make no mistake IW will charge for those.Enosh88

how long have you worked for IW?

oh you didn't? Well how the **** do you then know for sure that IW will charge for maps?

They will charge, $10/£8 for a couple of maps......alright who's next.

For the last damn time. I dont even feel like reading these topics. IW.NET has practically NOTHING to do with stopping pirates that is what Steams VAC is for.

rzepak

VAC is only used for detecting cheaters and then banning that account from servers that are VAC secured isn't it? Not for stopping piracy. I could be wrong, don't know too much about it but it seems to have zero success for people with multiple pirated accounts in games like cs:s.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"] Excuse sir: HAVE TO spend money on? HAVE TO? No you do not. You don't have to spend money on it. You have a choice. If you don't like what they are doing to the game then don't buy it. That should be your best form of complaint really. But that shouldn't be an excuse to post pr0n on the IW forums - which I was told happened and also swear at them. Thats ridiculous.Lonelynight

When I said that they have to spend money on it, I meant that games are not free, it is something that has to be payed for, not as in they have to buy CoD 6. And I see nothing wrong with complaining(though I think that posting porn is a little silly and unproductive)

I agree that the best way to show IW that we are unhappy over the raise of the price and stripping away standard features is to not buy the game.(or tell others not to buy it)

I don't really understand when you say its something that has to be payed for but they dont have to buy it.

Unless you mean for people who really wanted to pay for it...

Nothing wrong with complaining but calling the developers swear words is not the way to deal with problems. But this is a much bigger problem with the anonymity of the Internet.

a game i know that i will play 60+ hourbob_geldof221

Where did you get 60 hours from? The SP campaign is only 5 hours and the multiplayer is broken :S

and the multiplayer is broken :S-clippa-

so you were a closed beta tester?

[QUOTE="bob_geldof221"]a game i know that i will play 60+ hour-clippa-

Where did you get 60 hours from? The SP campaign is only 5 hours and the multiplayer is broken :S

Where does it say the SP is 5 hours? If they actually make the higher difficulties hard without being stupid (i.e. 100 hs to kill one guy yet they have 100% accuracy and kill you in one hit) then that adds replay value to the campaign. Spec-Ops mode should have a fair amount of replay value as well, whether playing it alone or co-op trying to beat your times and such. Multiplayer, well not to sure. COD4 lasted me about a year (would have lasted longer if it had prestige mode on PC). I'm sure if I'm into it and the whole IW.NET thing works out fine and it's not another frag fest with 32 people running around with riot shields (if we will get to see 32 player servers), I'm sure it will be fine.

[QUOTE="-clippa-"]and the multiplayer is broken :SEnosh88

so you were a closed beta tester?

Maybe the p2p performance in multiplayer is the reason for the absence of a beta. p2p can work in games as Starcraft and Diablo II LOD because the max amount of players is toped at 8. Anyway, we don't need to try to known that dedicated servers performance >>> p2p hosting, is like the gravity laws.