Crysis 2 backfired.. says Crytek...

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

It would be fine if the criticism was just that, criticism. But you have people who havn't even touched the game going, "it sucks, they changed everything and I'm not buying it." You have others saying "its a crap game" without giving any feedback at all. That is not criticism, that is bashing. There is criticism no doubt, I have my own. The levels should have been more open, It should have had more freedom of movement and choice, there should have been prone, etc. But that aside, the game is not as bad as people are making it out to be. And that's the part that gets annoying.

marq4porsche

Really, both sides need to stop insulting each other/the game and just get over it. It's a different game we get it. It's not C1 we get it. Fans are disappointed, we get it. But to come into every thread that has Crysis 2 in it's name and insult it over and over and over again is just getting tedius. Aren't you guys tired of it already???

People should really learn to respect/ignore other peoples oppinioins.

All the games I ever loved were called trash/horrible/terrible by at least a dozen of posters.

GTA IV one of my favorite games is really bashed often even now, whenever it's brought up.But I don't label people or throw tantrums every time that happens...

You're a COD fan? Sucks to be you, half of GS community hates that series with passion. But I don't see people getting labeled and insulted over that.

Maybe if they actually had dx 11 at launch and not like years later....

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Dude the game came out months ago, people got tired of discussing the same things over and over again. Besides I'm tired of the same group throwing insults at people who don't see it their way, using words as "elitists" or "whiners"GeneralShowzer

Really, both sides need to stop insulting each other/the game and just get over it. It's a different game we get it. It's not C1 we get it. Fans are disappointed, we get it. But to come into every thread that has Crysis 2 in it's name and insult it over and over and over again is just getting tedius. Aren't you guys tired of it already???

People should really learn to respect/ignore other peoples oppinioins.

All the games I ever loved were called trash/horrible/terrible by at least a dozen of posters.

GTA IV one of my favorite games is really bashed often even now, whenever it's brought up.But I don't label people or throw tantrums every time that happens...

You're a COD fan? Sucks to be you, half of GS community hates that series with passion. But I don't see people getting labeled and insulted over that.

Maybe if they actually had dx 11 at launch and not like years later....

Morphic

[QUOTE="KillerJuan77"]

The problem is that people feel like Crysis was a gigantic revolution when the game was a linear open world shooter with superpowers and destructible environments (Which weren't something that you would use in a fight, in the ammount of time it took you to destroy a tree to knock out a soldier you would be surrounded and that would actually be a kiss of death in harder difficulties) plus stealth ended up being the best tactic since using every other tactic would get you surrounded by enemies (Again, a kiss of death in hard difficulties).

Crysis 2 gets incredibly bashed because it decided to streamline something that was pretty much an unfocused game experience and they added a plot, an upgrade system, a fun and interesting plot, a buggy yet interesting MP mode, functional weapons and now it's pretty much the only game were DX11 is truly noticeable thanks to a fantastic implementation of tessellation and hundreds of new effects. Plus I kind of hate that you guys say it sucks when it's far from a bad game, want a bad game? Sniper Ghost Warrior fits that, Crysis 2 doesn't.

And yes, most of the users here just can't be pleased with ANYTHING, most of them complained about the "horrendous graphics" of DX9 Crysis 2 (Which isn't true as it looks better than 80-90% of the games out there), they get incredible graphics a few months later in the form of an optional patch and they say "IT'S TOO LATE" "CRYTEK SOLD OUT TO CONSOLES" "THE CAMPAIGN IS HORRIBLE NEVER TOUCHING IT AGAIN". How can most of you can be pleased? I think it's impossible.

skrat_01

The major problem here is that there are plenty of reasons why people dislike Crysis 2, and the only way you're trying to dispute it, is by saying no one can be peleased. Despite plenty of reasons being thrown around in this very thread.

Crysis was an expansive, intracate, complex game, which for most of the part was an extension of Crytek's design from Far Cry. It worked very well, it got fans from this, and this design still stands out. It's not revolutionary, of course, but it's a rare game.

Crysis 2 was two steps back in this regard, surprisingly larger than the more conservative Warhead, and changed its direction, focus and target audience entirely, as well as changing the game structure, combat areas and player interaction within the space.

Of course people are going to be annoyed, that's blooming obvious.

People who feel let down are going to call it bad. People who were shocked with the multiplayer are going to call it bad. People tend to do that with anything, when it comes to polarising opinions.

That's the very nature of opinions.

Crysis 2 isn't a bad game, yes, however the vocal opposition towards it isn't surprising either; the game is full of legitimate faults that a variety of people can pick at.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

Really, both sides need to stop insulting each other/the game and just get over it. It's a different game we get it. It's not C1 we get it. Fans are disappointed, we get it. But to come into every thread that has Crysis 2 in it's name and insult it over and over and over again is just getting tedius. Aren't you guys tired of it already???

marq4porsche

People should really learn to respect/ignore other peoples oppinioins.

All the games I ever loved were called trash/horrible/terrible by at least a dozen of posters.

GTA IV one of my favorite games is really bashed often even now, whenever it's brought up.But I don't label people or throw tantrums every time that happens...

You're a COD fan? Sucks to be you, half of GS community hates that series with passion. But I don't see people getting labeled and insulted over that.

It really is the most disappointing game I've played in my life. Crysis was my favorite shooters of all time, and this year I've already played shooters that I like more than Crysis 2 this year so...It's not even going to be my favorite of the year. Most of the stuff I loved about Crysis weren't even here. They didn't expand uppon it, instead they downgraded it in many ways. It's a failed sequel in my eyes, but not a bad game.

Anyway we can't simply go back to that. We're too hardcore. We can't enjoy gaming anymore and we're petty about everything ;)

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] And where do you see me bash Crysis 2 in this thread...? Anyway, Crysis 2 is back to popularity again, with the new features that are out, guess it brought back some repressed feelings. Even Crytek is admitting their mistake right? Also, a lot of people are implying that the graphics are the only thing I care about, and with the DX11 patch out, people should automatically love the game. Calling other people shallow,ect... Graphics were really the last of my problems with Crysis 2...

People should really learn to respect/ignore other peoples oppinioins.

All the games I ever loved were called trash/horrible/terrible by at least a dozen of posters.

GTA IV one of my favorite games is really bashed often even now, whenever it's brought up.But I don't label people or throw tantrums every time that happens...

You're a COD fan? Sucks to be you, half of GS community hates that series with passion. But I don't see people getting labeled and insulted over that.

GeneralShowzer

It really is the most disappointing game I've played in my life. Crysis was my favorite shooters of all time, and this year I've already played shooters that I like more than Crysis 2 this year so...It's not even going to be my favorite of the year. Most of the stuff I loved about Crysis weren't even here. They didn't expand uppon it, instead they downgraded it in many ways. It's a failed sequel in my eyes, but not a bad game.

Anyway we can't simply go back to that. We're too hardcore. We can't enjoy gaming anymore and we're petty about everything ;)

Seems even HardOCP didn't like this "gift" to PC gamers.

TL;DR, it got an HardOCP FAIL award. You don't see that too often.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

It would be fine if the criticism was just that, criticism. But you have people who havn't even touched the game going, "it sucks, they changed everything and I'm not buying it." You have others saying "its a crap game" without giving any feedback at all. That is not criticism, that is bashing. There is criticism no doubt, I have my own. The levels should have been more open, It should have had more freedom of movement and choice, there should have been prone, etc. But that aside, the game is not as bad as people are making it out to be. And that's the part that gets annoying.

marq4porsche

Really, both sides need to stop insulting each other/the game and just get over it. It's a different game we get it. It's not C1 we get it. Fans are disappointed, we get it. But to come into every thread that has Crysis 2 in it's name and insult it over and over and over again is just getting tedius. Aren't you guys tired of it already???

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] I think a few pc gamers here are getting sick of the whining and bashing of almost every game released these days.marq4porsche

It would be fine if the criticism was just that, criticism. But you have people who havn't even touched the game going, "it sucks, they changed everything and I'm not buying it." You have others saying "its a crap game" without giving any feedback at all. That is not criticism, that is bashing. There is criticism no doubt, I have my own. The levels should have been more open, It should have had more freedom of movement and choice, there should have been prone, etc. But that aside, the game is not as bad as people are making it out to be. And that's the part that gets annoying.

That's not helpful either.

It's just polarising opinions, bashing and praising. It just so happens this time around more people were either let down or dissapointed with the game, so there's a swing in the popular opinion towards it.

It's not as bad as people make it out to be, indeed, but that doesn't mean critism towards it is illegitamate, as with the praise.

Even if the volume of it is terribly one sided.

what they should have done was bring as much of the crysis experience to consoles as they could while giving pc gamers the full experience. This always works out best for everyone as boundaries get pushed.

what they should have done was bring as much of the crysis experience to consoles as they could while giving pc gamers the full experience. This always works out best for everyone as boundaries get pushed.

TerrorRizzing

If it wasn't for the graphics I'm sure Crysis would have been on consoles, FarCry Instincts Vengeance is a 360 launch game running on the CryEngine and it looks fantastic and the maps are GIGANTIC. The framerate is fairly stable too.

I feel like I'm the only one who really enjoyed Crysis 2.

I do have some issues such as no maximum speed or poor physics (no ragdolls as well) but I really enjoyed it.

[QUOTE="KillerJuan77"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

I agree with killerjaun, I dont know if you guys have noticed but I used to be the only one saying those things here, now I have seen atleast 5 or 6. Hermits are really getting a bad rep, and its only getting worse.

Advid-Gamer

So I'm not the only? FINALLY

It's either "you must hate PC exclusives" or "you must not like true RPG's" if you're somehow not in complete accordance with the PC exclusivity club.

Not saying all complaints are illegitimate though. I haven't even played Crysis 2.

I've been saying that since before it was cool. Some people here whine too much :P

It's either "you must hate PC exclusives" or "you must not like true RPG's" if you're somehow not in complete accordance with the PC exclusivity club.

Not saying all complaints are illegitimate though. I haven't even played Crysis 2.

SkyWard20

You can easily get it on eBay for 27-25 bucks, it's definetely worth it. And yes, I agree with you.

Having played and beaten the game, my real beef with it is two fold. First up, I thought the Seth were an alien force from another planet until I decided after I beat the game to go back and look at Prophet's memories. I was like, what the...? On top of that, rather than playing as Nomad once again, you play some grunt named Alcatraz who Profit put the suit on. They didn't have him saying a word, which just makes no sense at all, seeing as Nomad had plenty to say in the first game. Second, the thing that makes me most upset is the lack of dx10 support. Why have I not heard more people complaining about that? I'm sure a lot of people are still running dx10 cards, but why has it only been dx11 and dx9?psx_warrior

DX11 runs better thanks to several optimizations, direct compute, etc.

[QUOTE="psx_warrior"]Having played and beaten the game, my real beef with it is two fold. First up, I thought the Seth were an alien force from another planet until I decided after I beat the game to go back and look at Prophet's memories. I was like, what the...? On top of that, rather than playing as Nomad once again, you play some grunt named Alcatraz who Profit put the suit on. They didn't have him saying a word, which just makes no sense at all, seeing as Nomad had plenty to say in the first game. Second, the thing that makes me most upset is the lack of dx10 support. Why have I not heard more people complaining about that? I'm sure a lot of people are still running dx10 cards, but why has it only been dx11 and dx9?KillerJuan77

DX11 runs better thanks to several optimizations, direct compute, etc.

I bought the game day one and did play the campaign in post-human, and from the very first moment I find the game full of things that I dislike:

# The menu is poor and lazy compared against the one in Crysis: very limited, only in one color, no selctable crosshair, huge characters (designed for low res tv).

# The characters from Crysis & Warhead are utterly absent from the campaign, which also features a very different kind of aliens that doesn't resemble the Crysis ones at all.

# The controls are urresponsive (you must turn off mouse acceleration and smooth with the cvars in order to be playable in PC) and the new suit powers design is trash: sprinting is slower than in Crysis and drains energy, armor mode drains energy even if you aren't taking hits, strenght punching insta-kill is gone and some of the new powers are absolutely useless: you barely get 1 stomping kill or sliding kill each 500 kills in the mp (at most). Also, lean and prone are gone.

# The level design is way worse than in Warhead: much more narrow and on-rails, is really like a COD campaign but played mostly with your character alone.

# The plot is bland; Crysis hadn't the best story ever but at least was (to some exent) credible; Crysis 2 is full of pseudo-scientific slang closer to Stark Trek madness.

# The I.A. works bad, tons of glitches and problems in his patterns.

# Crysis 2 had some hard problems with bugs, included (but not limited to) one related with the game loosing all your nano-suit points and disabling your hard earned special skills.

# The multiplayer is a COD deathmatch wannabe which lacks the huge maps from the original, the vehicles, 20 players and the capability to use custom made maps in order to sell you DLCs that aren't anything but single campaign sections after a copy & paste.

# Game arrived without editor, and custom mp maps are disabled.

# Technically the CryEngine 3 is worse than CE2 in every aspect except lightning, and at the end that feature means nothing due in Crysis & Warhead at least you were able to play in both single and multiplayer with variable time of day. The water shaders are way worse in C2, even after the DX 11 patch, the uber-low resolution textures are everywhere due the game was designed to cr4py 512 MB limited consoles and the blur filter is obnoxius.

# Real-time weapon customization in mp is gone; was almost the only game with this feature.

So far, the game was a big dissapoint to me: Crysis used to be one of the 3 best fps games I did play, and the expectations about C2 were high, but it turned into a sequel that is worse than his precursor in design, screenplay, controls, gameplay, contents and visuals, and imo only improved in the sound department thanx to the outstanding original score (Zimmer).

So far I find reasons for the people to be aingry against Crysis 2; Crytek made sacrifices in order to please a wider audience and as result the game was worse and less successful. I'm fine with that, specially now that Crytek is a Kinect-focused company.

In general there were too many compromises. I *really* hope GSC Gameworld aren't going down the same route with STALKER 2.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]In general there were too many compromises. I *really* hope GSC Gameworld aren't going down the same route with STALKER 2.rollermint

I guess it's lucky that some of the best modders are devoted to the series. Still, some scenarios would be beyond repair. Normally I'd say there's no real consensus among communities as to what they want, and devs are better off following their instincts, but I feel STALKER is an exception. I just hope GSC are learning from other companies' recent mistakes and are keeping an ear to the ground with this one.

I bought the game day one and did play the campaign in post-human, and from the very first moment I find the game full of things that I dislike:

# The menu is poor and lazy compared against the one in Crysis: very limited, only in one color, no selctable crosshair, huge characters (designed for low res tv).

# The characters from Crysis & Warhead are utterly absent from the campaign, which also features a very different kind of aliens that doesn't resemble the Crysis ones at all.

# The controls are urresponsive (you must turn off mouse acceleration and smooth with the cvars in order to be playable in PC) and the new suit powers design is trash: sprinting is slower than in Crysis and drains energy, armor mode drains energy even if you aren't taking hits, strenght punching insta-kill is gone and some of the new powers are absolutely useless: you barely get 1 stomping kill or sliding kill each 500 kills in the mp (at most). Also, lean and prone are gone.

# The level design is way worse than in Warhead: much more narrow and on-rails, is really like a COD campaign but played mostly with your character alone.

# The plot is bland; Crysis hadn't the best story ever but at least was (to some exent) credible; Crysis 2 is full of pseudo-scientific slang closer to Stark Trek madness.

# The I.A. works bad, tons of glitches and problems in his patterns.

# Crysis 2 had some hard problems with bugs, included (but not limited to) one related with the game loosing all your nano-suit points and disabling your hard earned special skills.

# The multiplayer is a COD deathmatch wannabe which lacks the huge maps from the original, the vehicles, 20 players and the capability to use custom made maps in order to sell you DLCs that aren't anything but single campaign sections after a copy & paste.

# Game arrived without editor, and custom mp maps are disabled.

# Technically the CryEngine 3 is worse than CE2 in every aspect except lightning, and at the end that feature means nothing due in Crysis & Warhead at least you were able to play in both single and multiplayer with variable time of day. The water shaders are way worse in C2, even after the DX 11 patch, the uber-low resolution textures are everywhere due the game was designed to cr4py 512 MB limited consoles and the blur filter is obnoxius.

# Real-time weapon customization in mp is gone; was almost the only game with this feature.

So far, the game was a big dissapoint to me: Crysis used to be one of the 3 best fps games I did play, and the expectations about C2 were high, but it turned into a sequel that is worse than his precursor in design, screenplay, controls, gameplay, contents and visuals, and imo only improved in the sound department thanx to the outstanding original score (Zimmer).

So far I find reasons for the people to be aingry against Crysis 2; Crytek made sacrifices in order to please a wider audience and as result the game was worse and less successful. I'm fine with that, specially now that Crytek is a Kinect-focused company.

Ondoval

[QUOTE="Morphic"]

Maybe if they actually had dx 11 at launch and not like years later....

marq4porsche