Dark Souls Is Difficult.

I recently bought Dark Souls and spent almost 5 hours playing it until now.

I can sum up my experience: IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMBLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL VULNERABLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMAN!

try playing quake liveJigglyWiggly_

While it isn't an easy game I just felt it was a bit grindy instead of player skill based, I guess you could argue that it meets in the middle which is fair enough. Great game tho, really enjoyed it, the atmosphere is incredible.kieran88

try playing quake liveJigglyWiggly_

I recently bought Dark Souls and spent almost 5 hours playing it until now.

I can sum up my experience: IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMBLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL VULNERABLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMAN!

Ravenshout

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

I recently bought Dark Souls and spent almost 5 hours playing it until now.

I can sum up my experience: IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMBLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL VULNERABLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMAN!

Lord_of_Terrans

[QUOTE="kieran88"]While it isn't an easy game I just felt it was a bit grindy instead of player skill based, I guess you could argue that it meets in the middle which is fair enough. Great game tho, really enjoyed it, the atmosphere is incredible.KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="kieran88"]While it isn't an easy game I just felt it was a bit grindy instead of player skill based, I guess you could argue that it meets in the middle which is fair enough. Great game tho, really enjoyed it, the atmosphere is incredible.kieran88

I mean, I am having a tough time battling the Gargoylce on the Undead Parish rooftop.

[QUOTE="Lord_of_Terrans"][QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

I recently bought Dark Souls and spent almost 5 hours playing it until now.

I can sum up my experience: IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMBLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL VULNERABLE, IT MAKES YOU FEEL HUMAN!

Ravenshout

that's... kinda the point of the game. biggest challenge is getting used to it, though. then it's fine.BrunoBRS

That's the point. It's grueling and harsh. But once you adjust and learn how to play the game properly you will breeze through most of it. The bosses and enemies become far easier. Just need to play it how it demands and not like every other game of the same type

[QUOTE="kieran88"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Grindy? I beat the game without having to grind any. Ravenshout

I mean, I am having a tough time battling the Gargoylce on the Undead Parish rooftop.

Summon the the guy to help you. And that boss isn't that hard :| Just dodge yo!

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="kieran88"] It was too easy to grind an area for an uberbuild (albeit self imposed) is all I was getting at, it certainly isn't required but being so easy to do so somewhat diminishes it being 'the hardest game ever'el3m2tigre

I mean, I am having a tough time battling the Gargoylce on the Undead Parish rooftop.

Summon the the guy to help you. And that boss isn't that hard :| Just dodge yo!

That's the point. It's grueling and harsh. But once you adjust and learn how to play the game properly you will breeze through most of it. The bosses and enemies become far easier. Just need to play it how it demands and not like every other game of the same type

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

That's the point. It's grueling and harsh. But once you adjust and learn how to play the game properly you will breeze through most of it. The bosses and enemies become far easier. Just need to play it how it demands and not like every other game of the same type

Ravenshout

From beating the Gargoyles. One of them dropped it

"Dark Souls Is Difficult."

Gran Turismo 5 is a Racing Sim :|

The sky is up :|

Water is wet :|

dark souls punish you whenever you feel comfortable. you should not relax for a minute or you die

Dark Souls is not grueling, punshing; it's very fair and pretty forgiving, actually, it's not difficult at all. It requires zero skill; patience is the key to every fight, and once you understand how combat works, you can pretty much feel comfortable.

It's an awesome game with very high replayability, but it's not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"] You can't exactly beat it without grinding, I guess.

I mean, I am having a tough time battling the Gargoylce on the Undead Parish rooftop.

Ravenshout

Summon the the guy to help you. And that boss isn't that hard :| Just dodge yo!

You have to be in human form to use the summoning stones. Also, for the gargoyle on the Undead Parish rooftop, you don't have to use the stone. Just be in human form, and knight Solaris (NPC) will have a summon sign right by the door to the boss. He helps immensely.

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Summon the the guy to help you. And that boss isn't that hard :| Just dodge yo!

the_bi99man

You have to be in human form to use the summoning stones. Also, for the gargoyle on the Undead Parish rooftop, you don't have to use the stone. Just be in human form, and knight Solaris (NPC) will have a summon sign right by the door to the boss. He helps immensely.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"] I can't use the stone. I have it equipped but cannot actually use it.

Ravenshout

You have to be in human form to use the summoning stones. Also, for the gargoyle on the Undead Parish rooftop, you don't have to use the stone. Just be in human form, and knight Solaris (NPC) will have a summon sign right by the door to the boss. He helps immensely.

there ya go. In my two playthroughs, I've noticed that the boss fights actually aren't anywhere near the hardest part of the game. They just require a little bit of patience, to study their patterns. I thought just exploring through Blighttown was harder than any boss fight. Except maybe the Capra Demon. Which you should be getting to soon, if not already. He's a total b!tch but not because he's actually difficult. It's just a tiny room you're stuck in, and the camera sucks ass. Makes the fight extremely frustrating. Later in the game, you end up fighting Capra Demons as regular enemies, like 2-4 at a time, and they're no problem at all.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]try playing quake livealan_carter

It's in my top 5 games of all time. It's extremely hard in the beginning. It's guaranteed to piss you off until about 20-25 hours where you start to become a beast. The game has fairly simple mechanics. Each area has a set number of ways that can kill you, the harder the are the more ways you can die. At some points it is ridiculous (having to worry about multiple different poisons, ledges, fire, flying things, dogs, bugs, monsters). What makes the game so good is that when you start to gain some confidence and knowledge of the areas it is one of the best games ever because there is so much depth to the game. The story seems nonsensical at first but when you start to realize how interconnected every thing is and how much work went into every little detail you realize how good it is. No other game makes you truly inspect every crevicerobokill

While it isn't an easy game I just felt it was a bit grindy instead of player skill based, I guess you could argue that it meets in the middle which is fair enough. Great game tho, really enjoyed it, the atmosphere is incredible.kieran88

Grinding are for god of war style players who don't learn from their mistakes, don't carefully analyze their surrounding, who likely just can't wait to jump out from their bonefires just rush into another certain death with their same dull and inefficient strategy that they already used many times, sad thing is, they firmly believed with the ability to tank up more damage and do more dps by increase level with grinding is only way to play the game while many other players could easily overcome the same obstacle at much lower levels.

Such scenario can be explained as a bad general leading a battle,the only way he knows how to fight is to infinitely increase manpower and ammunition waste to make his men charging straight on. while a good general with limited resource will ambush and frank. The thing with the bad general is, even he wins, it's still a bad victory which equals a defeat.

Half of Dark souls players never grind, the true joy of dark souls come from learning and adapting, fighting enemies with perfect timing, precision and execution. it's anything but grinding.

Yes, this game already has an easy mode = grinding to increase levels, co-op and archer built. mage built(this class really paid off late) they are options. those who needs SL 70+ to finish first playthough are beyond me

[QUOTE="robokill"]It's in my top 5 games of all time. It's extremely hard in the beginning. It's guaranteed to piss you off until about 20-25 hours where you start to become a beast. The game has fairly simple mechanics. Each area has a set number of ways that can kill you, the harder the are the more ways you can die. At some points it is ridiculous (having to worry about multiple different poisons, ledges, fire, flying things, dogs, bugs, monsters). What makes the game so good is that when you start to gain some confidence and knowledge of the areas it is one of the best games ever because there is so much depth to the game. The story seems nonsensical at first but when you start to realize how interconnected every thing is and how much work went into every little detail you realize how good it is. No other game makes you truly inspect every creviceFelipeInside

A Knight who insists on gazing at the sun all day? Check.

An undead merchant who sells stolen stuff to you and tells you that he will loot you again if you die? Check.

A mute woman who upgrades your potion? Check.

An invisible undead woman who sells moss in a sewer? Check.

These characters reveal the world to you in bits.

[QUOTE="robokill"]It's in my top 5 games of all time. It's extremely hard in the beginning. It's guaranteed to piss you off until about 20-25 hours where you start to become a beast. The game has fairly simple mechanics. Each area has a set number of ways that can kill you, the harder the are the more ways you can die. At some points it is ridiculous (having to worry about multiple different poisons, ledges, fire, flying things, dogs, bugs, monsters). What makes the game so good is that when you start to gain some confidence and knowledge of the areas it is one of the best games ever because there is so much depth to the game. The story seems nonsensical at first but when you start to realize how interconnected every thing is and how much work went into every little detail you realize how good it is. No other game makes you truly inspect every creviceFelipeInside

The only similarity between two soul games are the combat and difficulty, each game features an entire different universe and gameplay system(the brilliant thing about soul games) so in short they almost feels nothing alike except the above two, even as a demon's souls vet, I still got confused the $# out when first picked up DS, some aspect is harder in demon's souls and some is harder in dark souls. But personally I think demon's souls is more creative and entertaining(due to it's less forgiving nature) for example, demon's souls' chapter 4 boss is a randomly selected human pvp player, I still can not forget how some levels were so geniusly designed in demon's souls.

DS is hard to recommend to anybody. I, my wife and half of my friends can't put controllers down when DS first released, while some, who clearly incapable to adapt a simple learning curve. but I'd say, do not afraid of the difficulty, DS will test you in a fair way, if you are over 20 and got tired of most industry standard, brain dead handholding garbage, give Dark souls a run.

^^ Ok, thanks for the info. I ask because Dark Souls 2 has been confirmed for PC (and will probably be a good port this time around) so was wondering if I should get into part 1. I like RPGs, but I'm scared of how difficult people say this game is (I don't have huge amounts of hours to dedicate to games these days), but at the same time I like how this game is about skill as well as stats. Can the game be played well on a KB/MS or is controller a must?FelipeInside

do not afraid, as stated above, form software are masters not repeating the same great concept twice, even a master piece as brilliant as Demon's souls, I was shockingly find none of demon's souls great design was recycled in dark souls, from level narrative system to diverse mob and boss design, dark souls is a totally reinvted and original, and I expect dark souls 2 to be the same, it's really near impossible, but they pulled it from demon's souls so I expect no less from dark souls(not saying I would mind to find demon's souls' elements in dark souls)

To the record, MS/KB does function, but believe me, to get full DS experience, you MUST play with a controller. difficulty of DS is overrated, is a fair test and nothing more. if anything don't forgot about those easy modes I mentioned. :idea:

^^ Ok, thanks for the info. I ask because Dark Souls 2 has been confirmed for PC (and will probably be a good port this time around) so was wondering if I should get into part 1. I like RPGs, but I'm scared of how difficult people say this game is (I don't have huge amounts of hours to dedicate to games these days), but at the same time I like how this game is about skill as well as stats. Can the game be played well on a KB/MS or is controller a must?FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]^^ Ok, thanks for the info. I ask because Dark Souls 2 has been confirmed for PC (and will probably be a good port this time around) so was wondering if I should get into part 1. I like RPGs, but I'm scared of how difficult people say this game is (I don't have huge amounts of hours to dedicate to games these days), but at the same time I like how this game is about skill as well as stats. Can the game be played well on a KB/MS or is controller a must?Ravenshout

Really?

I've always been a PC Gamer so playing an RPG with a controller just feels weird to me.

I'm used to having the 360 Degree Mouse "Lookaround" and also clicking through my inventory list.

I have the Logitech Wireless F710 anyway:

http://www.logitech.com/assets/32785/4/wireless-gamepad-f710feature-image.png

Is that controller layout fine?

Also, is the game stable and all that? I also heard there is a resolution mod?

It's called Prepare to Die Edition for a reason :P

try playing quake liveJigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]^^ Ok, thanks for the info. I ask because Dark Souls 2 has been confirmed for PC (and will probably be a good port this time around) so was wondering if I should get into part 1. I like RPGs, but I'm scared of how difficult people say this game is (I don't have huge amounts of hours to dedicate to games these days), but at the same time I like how this game is about skill as well as stats. Can the game be played well on a KB/MS or is controller a must?FelipeInside

Really?

I've always been a PC Gamer so playing an RPG with a controller just feels weird to me.

I'm used to having the 360 Degree Mouse "Lookaround" and also clicking through my inventory list.

I have the Logitech Wireless F710 anyway:

http://www.logitech.com/assets/32785/4/wireless-gamepad-f710feature-image.png

Is that controller layout fine?

Also, is the game stable and all that? I also heard there is a resolution mod?

I cannot deny the fearsome yet awesome monster, armor, and weapon design, however.

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

You have to be in human form to use the summoning stones. Also, for the gargoyle on the Undead Parish rooftop, you don't have to use the stone. Just be in human form, and knight Solaris (NPC) will have a summon sign right by the door to the boss. He helps immensely.

the_bi99man

there ya go. In my two playthroughs, I've noticed that the boss fights actually aren't anywhere near the hardest part of the game. They just require a little bit of patience, to study their patterns. I thought just exploring through Blighttown was harder than any boss fight. Except maybe the Capra Demon. Which you should be getting to soon, if not already. He's a total b!tch but not because he's actually difficult. It's just a tiny room you're stuck in, and the camera sucks ass. Makes the fight extremely frustrating. Later in the game, you end up fighting Capra Demons as regular enemies, like 2-4 at a time, and they're no problem at all.

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"] You have to play it with a controller. In fact I bought a controller just for the game. It's possible to play it with KBM, but it's so tedious that it's impractical to play with.

FelipeInside

Really?

I've always been a PC Gamer so playing an RPG with a controller just feels weird to me.

I'm used to having the 360 Degree Mouse "Lookaround" and also clicking through my inventory list.

I have the Logitech Wireless F710 anyway:

http://www.logitech.com/assets/32785/4/wireless-gamepad-f710feature-image.png

Is that controller layout fine?

Also, is the game stable and all that? I also heard there is a resolution mod?

Definitely get it Felipe. It's not THAT hard, if you're willing to be patient, explore carefully, and study your enemies. And of course, be prepared to die. And it feels great with a controller. Even if the mouse/keyboard controls worked, I'd still probably prefer the controller for this game. Just definitely get the DSfix. It'll let you actually set the resolution, so you can go to 1080p (or whatever your monitor is), plus, if you've got extra horsepower, DSfix includes post process AA and SSAO, which look fantastic. There's also an optional framerate unlocker built into DSfix now but, unlike the rest of DSfix, it actually messes with the engine of the game, is sometimes unstable, sometimes doesn't work at all (like for me), and might get your GFWL account banned. Without the unlocker, the framerate is capped at 30, but it feels fine, as long as you can keep it there. It also has very stubborn VSync that I, for one, can't get to turn off, no matter what I do. So when I play on my laptop it's constantly jumping between 30 and 15. Looking at your sig, though, you shouldn't have any trouble maintaining a smooth 30, at 1080p, with the DSfix AA and SSAO on.

As for the game, it's great. Definitely a must-play.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

there ya go. In my two playthroughs, I've noticed that the boss fights actually aren't anywhere near the hardest part of the game. They just require a little bit of patience, to study their patterns. I thought just exploring through Blighttown was harder than any boss fight. Except maybe the Capra Demon. Which you should be getting to soon, if not already. He's a total b!tch but not because he's actually difficult. It's just a tiny room you're stuck in, and the camera sucks ass. Makes the fight extremely frustrating. Later in the game, you end up fighting Capra Demons as regular enemies, like 2-4 at a time, and they're no problem at all.

Ravenshout

Sounds about right.:P If you have a halfway decent shield, you can block all his attacks, assuming you're able to get enough breathing room to regen stamina. His dogs are the hard part. There's two of them, and they'll be constantly jumping at you in that tiny room, throwing your guard off. Once they're gone, you can take him pretty easily. Try to get to the stairs in the back left of the room. If you can get up them, there's a good chance the dogs will follow you up there first and you can take them out. On both my playthroughs, it took me at least 5 or 6 tries before I could even get by them to the stairs without getting stunlocked. Don't take many souls in there with you. You'll probably lose them.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]that's... kinda the point of the game. biggest challenge is getting used to it, though. then it's fine.Ravenshout

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]that's... kinda the point of the game. biggest challenge is getting used to it, though. then it's fine.BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

there ya go. In my two playthroughs, I've noticed that the boss fights actually aren't anywhere near the hardest part of the game. They just require a little bit of patience, to study their patterns. I thought just exploring through Blighttown was harder than any boss fight. Except maybe the Capra Demon. Which you should be getting to soon, if not already. He's a total b!tch but not because he's actually difficult. It's just a tiny room you're stuck in, and the camera sucks ass. Makes the fight extremely frustrating. Later in the game, you end up fighting Capra Demons as regular enemies, like 2-4 at a time, and they're no problem at all.

the_bi99man

Sounds about right.:P If you have a halfway decent shield, you can block all his attacks, assuming you're able to get enough breathing room to regen stamina. His dogs are the hard part. There's two of them, and they'll be constantly jumping at you in that tiny room, throwing your guard off. Once they're gone, you can take him pretty easily. Try to get to the stairs in the back left of the room. If you can get up them, there's a good chance the dogs will follow you up there first and you can take them out. On both my playthroughs, it took me at least 5 or 6 tries before I could even get by them to the stairs without getting stunlocked. Don't take many souls in there with you. You'll probably lose them.