Dark Souls not optimized on PC - "Strictly a port"

Am i really surprised?

Bleh, i wasn't going to get it anyway....

I have a feeling this will be one of those situations where they release a bad port for PC, and use the poor sales to justify not making any other games for PC. I hope that's not the case, but I have a bad feeling about it.

don't care, I will still buy it.

disappointing but not unexpected

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

I guess the Japanese don't believe in the phrase "if something's worth doing, its worth doing right."

This sounds disasterous, I might not get it because I don't want to make developers think we are willing to lap up lazy table scraps bestowed on us through begging and pity.

i have zero faith in Japanese developers when it comes to PC games and this sounds like it won't change my mind.

Well... looking on the bright side. This series has some hardcore followers, I'm sure that will see all kinds of mods to optimize it. Something console version couldn't get.

Are you flipping KIDDING me?

I mean seriously?
All I was hoping for was the FPS issues to be fixed that the console version suffered from.

After we just got an amazing multiplat version of MP3, to hear this is dissapointing.

"not fixing the framerate issues"

Still gonna buy it...probably...:?

Still gonna buy it...probably...:?

agpickle

Having...

Second thoughts?

I know I am.

"not fixing the framerate issues"

Masenkoe

I guess the Japanese don't believe in the phrase "if something's worth doing, its worth doing right."

This sounds disasterous, I might not get it because I don't want to make developers think we are willing to lap up lazy table scraps bestowed on us through begging and pity.

i have zero faith in Japanese developers when it comes to PC games and this sounds like it won't change my mind.

with_teeth26

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Prexxus

Some fans made a petition...some...yeah?Just some...Let me...not act like a **** beggar and not question what is given to me...you may do so if you please...But i play on PC because it has high standards which can never be achived on console...and i dont want a piece of **** port...ok?
Let me ,let them know...that the majority of pc gamers want quality products...and if they cannot deliver they can shove their game where the sun dont shine...we(the other ones who didnt sign the petition)have the same right to make our opinion known and heard...

Let me ...let them know that we are not retards that have saliva coming out of our mouths and we dont not buy every pice of **** that they put out...
We know what quality is and we demant it...by giving us quality game they show us respect...let me be an **** who demands respect(from devs) and dont turn me in to a **** beggar...Ok?Thank you

P.S> And speak for yourself and be greatful when it comes to ur own persona...dont speak for others and do not try to take away the right to demand quality products...You may have a standard when it comes to games...so do i...i respect them and i choose the games i buy and play based on that...

I'm sure it will run fine on my PC. I'm not worried. Also, all I got out of his quotes is that they are porting the game and they aren't optimizing it. Sounds like every single port I've seen in the past several years.

Sure if you have a 5 year old PC you might have some of the framerate problems they had on consoles because they "didn't optimize it."

Seriously guys, what more do you need to see? They are flat out TELLING you not to buy there game at this point.

Should have given it to someone else to fix since they're too incompetent.

no preorder for sure. will wait for the reviews. just because they realease it in pc does not mean i will snap buy it

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

rhazzy

Some fans made a petition...some...yeah?Just some...Let me...not act like a **** beggar and not question what is given to me...you may do so if you please...But i play on PC because it has high standards which can never be achived on console...and i dont want a piece of **** port...ok?
Let me ,let them know...that the majority of pc gamers want quality products...and if they cannot deliver they can shove their game where the sun dont shine...we(the other ones who didnt sign the petition)have the same right to make our opinion know and heard...

Let me ...let them know that we are not retards that have saliva coming out of our mouths and we dont not buy every pice of **** that they put out...
We know what quality is and we demant it...by giving us quality game they show us respect...let me be an **** who demands respect(from devs) and dont turn me in to a **** beggar...Ok?Thank you

P.S> And speak for yourself and be greatful when it comes to ur own persona...dont speak for others and do not try to take away the right to demand quality products...You may have a standard when it comes to games...so do i...i respect them and i choose the games i buy and play based on that...

I really hope you don't think console games can't achieve the standards a PC one can.

Ive been a PC owner for over 20 years. I have also owned many consoles during that time. I can tell you from experience that a LOT of console games are the same or higher quality then a TON of PC games.

Not once in my posts did I speak for anyone but myself. Not once did I try to take your "rights" from you ( lol ). You can go ahead and demand all you want! That is your right. Don't worry I won't come to your house and stop you. Really. I won't.

Every time you post on these boards it amazes me how ignorant a human you are. I'm sure most people here know this by now as well.

P.S. You need a serious reality check.

P.S.S. Most beggars I've ran into sound smarter then you.

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Prexxus

Is this a joke? they do it for money. They saw the petition and decided to make some easy money with no effort. they should have looked at the history of failed ports.

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

tanerb

Is this a joke? they do it for money. They saw the petition and decided to make some easy money with no effort. they should have looked at the history of failed ports.

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Prexxus

And in all honestly, they're working hard and really seem to care for the fanbase.

They listened to the community when they asked for it, they're giving us extra content added free of charge, and the fact is these guys have very little experience developing for PC and don't exactly have a gigantic budget to build a PC version from the ground up.

Its a great game and that's why its worth buying, not because it had 120 frames per second and infinite mod support, and I can almost assure that if this version sells well that the sequel would be done MUCH better on PC.

I guess the Japanese don't believe in the phrase "if something's worth doing, its worth doing right."

This sounds disasterous, I might not get it because I don't want to make developers think we are willing to lap up lazy table scraps bestowed on us through begging and pity.

i have zero faith in Japanese developers when it comes to PC games and this sounds like it won't change my mind.

with_teeth26

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

SPYDER0416

And in all honestly, they're working hard and really seem to care for the fanbase.

They listened to the community when they asked for it, they're giving us extra content added free of charge, and the fact is these guys have very little experience developing for PC and don't exactly have a gigantic budget to build a PC version from the ground up.

Its a great game and that's why its worth buying, not because it had 120 frames per second and infinite mod support, and I can almost assure that if this version sells well that the sequel would be done MUCH better on PC.

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Prexxus

Some fans made a petition...some...yeah?Just some...Let me...not act like a **** beggar and not question what is given to me...you may do so if you please...But i play on PC because it has high standards which can never be achived on console...and i dont want a piece of **** port...ok?
Let me ,let them know...that the majority of pc gamers want quality products...and if they cannot deliver they can shove their game where the sun dont shine...we(the other ones who didnt sign the petition)have the same right to make our opinion know and heard...

Let me ...let them know that we are not retards that have saliva coming out of our mouths and we dont not buy every pice of **** that they put out...
We know what quality is and we demant it...by giving us quality game they show us respect...let me be an **** who demands respect(from devs) and dont turn me in to a **** beggar...Ok?Thank you

P.S> And speak for yourself and be greatful when it comes to ur own persona...dont speak for others and do not try to take away the right to demand quality products...You may have a standard when it comes to games...so do i...i respect them and i choose the games i buy and play based on that...

I really hope you don't think console games can't achieve the standards a PC one can.

Ive been a PC owner for over 20 years. I have also owned many consoles during that time. I can tell you from experience that a LOT of console games are the same or higher quality then a TON of PC games.

Not once in my posts did I speak for anyone but myself. Not once did I try to take your "rights" from you ( lol ). You can go ahead and demand all you want! That is your right. Don't worry I won't come to your house and stop you. Really. I won't.

Every time you post on these boards it amazes me how ignorant a human you are. I'm sure most people here know this by now as well.

P.S. You need a serious reality check.

P.S.S. Most beggars I've ran into sound smarter then you.

You made a jackass out of urself on the last post where you sounded actually like the biggest idiot on these forums and i didnt say that to you nor did i insult you...and the next thing you do is what...make a post where you say u wont come over to my house...dude wtf?...are u from this planet?
Are you even aware of what u are typing...

Guys like you who say to others that they should be greatful for a piece of **** make me sick...your the kind of guy who after someone urinates on him sayz thanks!

Guess what?You should thank me by now....

[QUOTE="with_teeth26"]

I guess the Japanese don't believe in the phrase "if something's worth doing, its worth doing right."

This sounds disasterous, I might not get it because I don't want to make developers think we are willing to lap up lazy table scraps bestowed on us through begging and pity.

i have zero faith in Japanese developers when it comes to PC games and this sounds like it won't change my mind.

Elann2008

And we have no indication that it will suffer from framerate problems on a modern PC. The framerate problems on the 360 and PS3 were on very old tech. So they didn't pay special attention to optimization or the framerate problems that existed on consoles. So what. Most PC's will be able to handle poorly optimized games written for consoles by brute force.

My 3 year old 4890 would run every console port at 1080p and 60fps. If they are locking DS at 30 fps (which hasn't been verified as far as I know), framerates will not be an issue.

So they aren't giving PC special attention and just doing a simple port. So what. It will run better than my PS3. And I can sell my PS3 and I will have one of the best games I've ever played on my PC.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Elann2008

And in all honestly, they're working hard and really seem to care for the fanbase.

They listened to the community when they asked for it, they're giving us extra content added free of charge, and the fact is these guys have very little experience developing for PC and don't exactly have a gigantic budget to build a PC version from the ground up.

Its a great game and that's why its worth buying, not because it had 120 frames per second and infinite mod support, and I can almost assure that if this version sells well that the sequel would be done MUCH better on PC.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="with_teeth26"]

I guess the Japanese don't believe in the phrase "if something's worth doing, its worth doing right."

This sounds disasterous, I might not get it because I don't want to make developers think we are willing to lap up lazy table scraps bestowed on us through begging and pity.

i have zero faith in Japanese developers when it comes to PC games and this sounds like it won't change my mind.

Mr_Ditters

And we have no indication that it will suffer from framerate problems on a modern PC. The framerate problems on the 360 and PS3 were on very old tech. So they didn't pay special attention to optimization or the framerate problems that existed on consoles. So what. Most PC's will be able to handle poorly optimized games written for consoles by brute force.

My 3 year old 4890 would run every console port at 1080p and 60fps. If they are locking DS at 30 fps (which hasn't been verified as far as I know), framerates will not be an issue.

So they aren't giving PC special attention and just doing a simple port. So what. It will run better than my PS3. And I can sell my PS3 and I will have one of the best games I've ever played on my PC.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

And in all honestly, they're working hard and really seem to care for the fanbase.

They listened to the community when they asked for it, they're giving us extra content added free of charge, and the fact is these guys have very little experience developing for PC and don't exactly have a gigantic budget to build a PC version from the ground up.

Its a great game and that's why its worth buying, not because it had 120 frames per second and infinite mod support, and I can almost assure that if this version sells well that the sequel would be done MUCH better on PC.

Prexxus

sad but ---->

"Daisuke told the website that time restraints and a lack of experience in PC ports is to blame: ?To be completely honest, we?re having a tough time doing it due to our lack of experience and knowledge in terms of porting to PC"

not fair to blame form software, they only speaks the truth, these guys are nice enough to port such master piece to PC, and they are inexperienced at doing so. hell what was the last PC game they did? never, even that ninja game was ported by a 3rd party company. I will still buy it the second time to show my respect.

and theoretically, I don't believe hardware with massive computing power will have trouble handling the poorly handled pixel per sec overload that cause trouble in console version. I'm not talking about i5 + GTX480 or such, but 3rd gen I7 + GTX680 or GTX580 SLI +32G ram. anyway I'm ready.

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] The first sentence in your post says it all. I don't mind a straight port, but at least do it right. And what i mean by doing it right, means make it well optimized. I am very disappointed with this news, to be honest. I refuse to play a game where the framerate goes 50fps one second, and then 15fps the other. That's unacceptable.Elann2008

And we have no indication that it will suffer from framerate problems on a modern PC. The framerate problems on the 360 and PS3 were on very old tech. So they didn't pay special attention to optimization or the framerate problems that existed on consoles. So what. Most PC's will be able to handle poorly optimized games written for consoles by brute force.

My 3 year old 4890 would run every console port at 1080p and 60fps. If they are locking DS at 30 fps (which hasn't been verified as far as I know), framerates will not be an issue.

So they aren't giving PC special attention and just doing a simple port. So what. It will run better than my PS3. And I can sell my PS3 and I will have one of the best games I've ever played on my PC.

Funny you should say that. I am installing GTA4 as we speak. The gripe I have with GTA4 is that it is a **** to install because of DRM. But I have all of those games and they all run better than on my PS3. So what was your point again?

Edit: I'll add that I was mistaken. GTA4 doesn't run at 60 fps at 1080p, but it still runs better than my PS3.

Edit 2: Well after playing GTA4. At default settings at 1080p-never drops below 50fps. If I turn everything all the way up (view distance, textures, etc.) it never drops below 35 fps. If I set it lower than default settings or a lower resolution, it never drops below 60 fps.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

And in all honestly, they're working hard and really seem to care for the fanbase.

They listened to the community when they asked for it, they're giving us extra content added free of charge, and the fact is these guys have very little experience developing for PC and don't exactly have a gigantic budget to build a PC version from the ground up.

Its a great game and that's why its worth buying, not because it had 120 frames per second and infinite mod support, and I can almost assure that if this version sells well that the sequel would be done MUCH better on PC.

Prexxus

Lets take whatever they do...because they were nice enough to do it...dosent matter if is a **** lets not forget that the boss said this and that...so it is only logical to buy their product...right?
The devs: "we give you s a **** product..."

You: "They want to create something amazing"...ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D...have you played in Seinfield or smth?coz u are hilarious...
Amazing logic you have there my beggar friend...truly amazing...

I cant wait for you to expand your logic in the future posts...

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] I totally understand where you guys are coming from... but why do all that and not OPTIMIZE the game? What would be the point of bringing the game with those added content, but not code it so the game runs WELL? Why even bother? But let's get real, they're not doing it just for the fanbase. They want to make money. Who doesn't? But it was a terrible decision to not optimize a game for the PC.rhazzy

Lets take whatever they do...because they were nice enough to do it...dosent matter if is a **** lets not forget that the boss said this and that...so it is only logical to buy their product...right?
The devs: "we give you s a **** product..."

You: "They want to create something amazing"...ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D...have you played in Seinfield or smth?coz u are hilarious...
Amazing logic you have there my beggar friend...truly amazing...

I cant wait for you to expand your logic in the future posts...

Look, at long as it's a port like Capcoms efforts with Street Fighter 4, RE5 etc. I'll be more than happy.-CheeseEater-

Still gonna buy it...probably...:?

agpickle

This....

I really want the game, but if they can't do it properly, it should be outsourced or not done at all:?

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Prexxus

Let me get this straight. PC gamers must be gratefully because the game is going to be a less than stella port for $50.:|

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

Pedro

Let me get this straight. PC gamers must be gratefully because the game is going to be a less than stella port for $50.:|

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

And we have no indication that it will suffer from framerate problems on a modern PC. The framerate problems on the 360 and PS3 were on very old tech. So they didn't pay special attention to optimization or the framerate problems that existed on consoles. So what. Most PC's will be able to handle poorly optimized games written for consoles by brute force.

My 3 year old 4890 would run every console port at 1080p and 60fps. If they are locking DS at 30 fps (which hasn't been verified as far as I know), framerates will not be an issue.

So they aren't giving PC special attention and just doing a simple port. So what. It will run better than my PS3. And I can sell my PS3 and I will have one of the best games I've ever played on my PC.

Mr_Ditters

Funny you should say that. I am installing GTA4 as we speak. The gripe I have with GTA4 is that it is a **** to install because of DRM. But I have all of those games and they all run better than on my PS3. So what was your point again?

Edit: I'll add that I was mistaken. GTA4 doesn't run at 60 fps at 1080p, but it still runs better than my PS3.

Edit 2: Well after playing GTA4. At default settings at 1080p-never drops below 50fps. If I turn everything all the way up (view distance, textures, etc.) it never drops below 35 fps. If I set it lower than default settings or a lower resolution, it never drops below 60 fps.

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

A port they decided to do because of a fan made petition. They did not plan on doing it. They did not need to do it.

Even if it's unoptimized they are working hard to bring it to PC. Be greatful because honestly it's enough of a smash hit to not even need to touch the PC market.

FelipeInside

Let me get this straight. PC gamers must be gratefully because the game is going to be a less than stella port for $50.:|

Daisuke told the website that time restraints and a lack of experience in PC ports is to blame: ?To be completely honest, we?re having a tough time doing it due to our lack of experience and knowledge in terms of porting to PC. First we thought it would be a breeze, but it?s turned out not to be the case. We?re still developing right now ? we?re crunching right now.?PC Gamer

ALL games whether for consoles or PCs are made on PC - drawn, designed and etc. ... how can they blame lack of experience in PC ports ? Port it with the framerate issues it has ? No optimizations since they are rushing to get it on the market ASAP ?!

Well F that ... so much for pre-purchase - game will stay in steam wishlist till it drops during a sale for 5 euro max.

This is why I hate japanese developers - they don't know SH*T about how to make a PC game. All they have in their head are arcades, Sega, Nintendo and PS.

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

[QUOTE="Prexxus"] Because when the boss says it has to be done by a certain date. You're doing something brand new you have never attempted before. You don't have the luxury of doing everything you would like. Do you really think these devs are saying to themselves after all these hours of work "yay we have an unoptimized game for them" these people want to create something amazing. That does not mean they can always do that. In the end if the boss says you do it one way then you do it that way. Prexxus

Lets take whatever they do...because they were nice enough to do it...dosent matter if is a **** lets not forget that the boss said this and that...so it is only logical to buy their product...right?
The devs: "we give you s a **** product..."

You: "They want to create something amazing"...ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :D...have you played in Seinfield or smth?coz u are hilarious...
Amazing logic you have there my beggar friend...truly amazing...

I cant wait for you to expand your logic in the future posts...

Unfortunately I think this is the real deal, he actually seems this angry about it and is actually this terrible at expressing his thoughts on the internet.

I don't like to stoop to insults, but that was so terribly written, long and hard to read that I think my 2nd grade cousin would have an easier time crafting better sentence structure and a good debate then that.

Dark Souls is a straight port, and it was an amazing game on consoles so its not like it being similar to consoles will make it worse on PC. It will still be a great game just missing some PC features, and for a good reason that's been stated many times. In fact it wasn't even some sort of unpolished and rough mess on consoles, the graphics were great and the framerate only took a hit in select areas, and I imagine a good rig could keep the framerate running smoother in those areas then on consoles.

I mean don't look a gift horse in the mouth guys, if you were excited enough to want it, here it is, and now you get your chance to let your voice be heard. There's a great chance the sequel will offer all you asked for with improved graphics and performance options and be much better optimized, but if you want to voice REAL complaints wait until you try the game and have REAL complaints to give them, and don't be like some asshat that screams and uses poor grammar and sentence structure because then you come off as some immature 12 year old, not someone developers will want to listen to.

I don't understand these reactions, you knew this two months ago, what you thought something might change in two months after they said it'll be identical to consoles?DanielDust

Judging by this thread, yes many of the complainers did immediately forget or assume they were just joking the whole time two months ago.