Diablo 3 auction fees: 15% fee plus 15% for PayPal xfers....

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="Cwagmire21"]

Shame on Blizzard! They must think they're a for-profit company that has a right for a profit!

Oh wait...

:roll:

Cwagmire21

Gordon Gekko had it all wrong. He added an extra vowel. Greed isn't good - it's god! I fully expected the shills and cultists to bow down, bend over, and support this. There is indeed a sucker born every minute. :P

I love when people bash companies because they want to make money. They aren't running a charity. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet.

This guy gets it.

Sounds like they're just trying to keep the "black market" alive to me.

Pay 2 Win confirmed. Blizz fanboys celebrate!KHAndAnime

Woo! You paid 50 bucks for gear to beat easy! Congratulations, you really proved it was Pay 2 Win!

[QUOTE="Bruin1986"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It was also about protecting people who were going to buy from chinese gold farmers anyways.

They figured since they can't stop it, might as well make it secure and cash in on it. I don't blame them.

AzatiS

It also just so happens to ensure a more safe and secure method of buying and selling items with real money...an activity that would occur whether or not an official RMAH existed.

I also happen to live in the real world. The world in which companies exist to make money, not make me happy. It seems like 95% of gamers exist in this fantasy, Narnia land where massive teams of game developers sit around all day purely for "creative expression" and that money grows on trees to make these "works of art". Money is of no importance and all that matters is making sure little Timmy is 100% happy with everything.

There is a difference between being a "sheep" (common pejorative for people who can understand the decisions of companies) and not being some space cadet completely out of touch with basic reality.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Pay 2 Win confirmed. Blizz fanboys celebrate!ChubbyGuy40

Woo! You paid 50 bucks for gear to beat easy! Congratulations, you really proved it was Pay 2 Win!

I have no problem with them charging a fee, they are a business after all and have invested their time and money to design and implement this system. I DO HOWEVER have a problem with the amounts they deem is fair to charge as a processing fee for using a third party service. Overall this is to make people keep more funds in there bliz account i know BUT 15% is a bit over the top. I would be satisfied with 5 - 10% at most for transferring out of D3.

I dont know what costs were incurred in production and the dividends/profit they wish to achieve, but 30% seems a little too much.

Boy, I love it when publishers try to squeeze in as much money making gimmickry as possible into my videogames. We sure do live in a grand time for gaming!

I have no problem with this due I have no plans to use the Auction House -neither the gold one or the real money one-.

I'm far more worried about the lack of end game incentives and replayability of the game than about the AH.

I couldn't afford the $100 in gear to required to beat Nightmare! :(KHAndAnime

Oh no, I'm actually gonna have to PLAY THE GAME to get that gear! Why Blizzard why! Why isn't the game playing itself!? I should be able to buy leet gear and roflstomp through Inferno damnit! How dare they require me to actually learn to play, and play the game!

i remember there was a "huge" outcry when players learned that d3 would be online-only. the way forums exploded it seemed like everyone in the world wanted to play d3 single player. now RMAH fees are revealed it feels like everyone things d3 is going to be pay-to-win or that blizzard is greedy, which contradicts the previous scenario. in truth, neither is going to affect the overwhelming majority of players in any meaningful way.Kh1ndjal

In truth no one knows whether it will or not until the game has been out for a while.

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Dafuq?

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Dafuq?

timma25

[QUOTE="timma25"]

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Dafuq?

SKaREO

You both have shallow thoughts.

Online only? Who the hell cares? A non-issue for most people. For you? Too bad.

Auction house? Its a non-issue. You are all going on about "greed" and principle of it all. Oh please, its a game. You've made your illogical point already.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="timma25"]

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Dafuq?

XaosII

You both have shallow thoughts.

Online only? Who the hell cares? A non-issue for most people. For you? Too bad.

Auction house? Its a non-issue. You are all going on about "greed" and principle of it all. Oh please, its a game. You've made your illogical point already.

Did you actually read what they're talking about or just the 4 words "online only auction house"?

Did you actually read what they're talking about or just the 4 words "online only auction house"?

topgunmv

Yeah, i read their strawman argument. I've no interest in attacking a made up argument.

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Hater reply - D3 is all about singleplayer or LAN play.

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Hater reply - D3 is all about multiplayer and buying items therefore the RMAH ruins the whole game by making it pay-to-win and unbalanced.

timma25

[QUOTE="timma25"]

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Hater reply - D3 is all about singleplayer or LAN play.

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Hater reply - D3 is all about multiplayer and buying items therefore the RMAH ruins the whole game by making it pay-to-win and unbalanced.

Kh1ndjal

:lol: This man has a point.

I'm playing this game with my friends.. so not sure why i'd care about the AH being pay to win, also.. I'm sure most people who can afford to go around wasting money on games can afford a continuous internet connection... If not, then leave it be and keep your bias at the door.

[QUOTE="timma25"]

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Hater reply - D3 is all about singleplayer or LAN play.

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Hater reply - D3 is all about multiplayer and buying items therefore the RMAH ruins the whole game by making it pay-to-win and unbalanced.

Kh1ndjal

I think it's a good deal. Remember, they are allowing you to earn money from their game, how can anyoine complain? Even if you earn 1$ a year, it's more than what you earn with every other game in the market, unless you're an enslaved chinese farmer, in which case you don't really care as you weren't going to see that one dollar anyway.

I think it's a good deal. Remember, they are allowing you to earn money from their game, how can anyoine complain? Even if you earn 1$ a year, it's more than what you earn with every other game in the market, unless you're an enslaved chinese farmer, in which case you don't really care as you weren't going to see that one dollar anyway.

_TheJoker_

I have no problem with this due I have no plans to use the Auction House -neither the gold one or the real money one-.

I'm far more worried about the lack of end game incentives and replayability of the game than about the AH.

Ondoval

Blizzard may not be the worst money grubbing transaction demons out there, but their fanboys are certainly the craziest.

Blizzard may not be the worst money grubbing transaction demons out there, but their fanboys are certainly the craziest.

xLittlekillx

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Blizzard may not be the worst money grubbing transaction demons out there, but their fanboys are certainly the craziest.

DanielDust

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Blizzard may not be the worst money grubbing transaction demons out there, but their fanboys are certainly the craziest.

DanielDust

But that's just it. You've built this false reality where there is a mass underground movement of people who for some reason have taken it upon themselves to speak badly about Blizzard on internet videogame message boards.

It's an overly defensive reaction to criticism directed at the actions of the company in a specific incident, in this case the transaction fees in Diablo 3.

Being unhappy with things like an always online requirement and a real money auction house in a video game is not the result of a conspiracy to undermine the PR state of Blizzard. It is the result of being unhappy about said things. That's it. There is no illuminati of Blizzard haters. There are just a lot of people who are upset with these things.

And being a psychopath about it isn't helping.

I kind of expected this. Blizzard would rather have players keep the money within Battle.net instead of make payout cash. To ensure, they disincentivize cashing out with higher fees and more inconveniance. The max sale price is $250, but Blizzard gets $70 of that leaving you with only $170. Sure, PayPal will charge Blizzard a little bit to do transfers, but they have a special agreement. Blizzard is paying only pennies to do those transfers because of the bulk. Yet they charge 27.75% to cash out.

Another requirement to cash out is signing up for this new thing, Mobile Alerts. It requires a cellphone with a data plan. You get text messages from time to time when you cash out asking you to verify that you really want to cash out. Then you have to send a text message back to confirm. All this comes with the normal text message fees + data plan monthly fee. I know many people use prepaid phones, but Mobile Alerts does not accept them. This almost seems to be a bigger issue than the high auction fees. The big thread complaining about Mobile Alerts on the official forums is bigger than the one complaining about the auction fees.

[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]

[QUOTE="timma25"]

Online only!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about online multiplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Also nobody uses LAN anymore

Hater reply - D3 is all about singleplayer or LAN play.

Auction House!
Fanboy reply - D3 is all about singleplayer! You've been playing it wrong! Buying items is just in there for people who don't wanna bother, it won't affect balance if it's a singleplay/coop game.

Hater reply - D3 is all about multiplayer and buying items therefore the RMAH ruins the whole game by making it pay-to-win and unbalanced.

mr_zombie60

:lol: This man has a point.

I'm playing this game with my friends.. so not sure why i'd care about the AH being pay to win, also.. I'm sure most people who can afford to go around wasting money on games can afford a continuous internet connection... If not, then leave it be and keep your bias at the door.

Its Blizzard's incentive to support the game long-term. Sad, I'm guessing that this factored heavily into Blizzard's decision to not put any on PvP. They dodge a huge bullet by ignoring the PvP crowd altogether and get to make a LOT of money from this for a long time. Seems like a no-brainer to me.KHAndAnime

Its Blizzard's incentive to support the game long-term. Sad, I'm guessing that this factored heavily into Blizzard's decision to not put any on PvP. They dodge a huge bullet by ignoring the PvP crowd altogether and get to make a LOT of money from this for a long time. Seems like a no-brainer to me.KHAndAnime

They said they are hoping it is out by the end of the year. It just seems like it wasn't polished. They could have put in the PvP they had at Blizzcons, but it lacked the Blizzard polish. Yes, they are releasing Diablo 3 early. Maybe that's more money for them, but I think most fans would rather it release now and play the PvE than have to wait another 6 months for PvP.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

The RMAH was never about the player making money and has always been about Blizzard monetizing these transactions for their own benefit.

-wildflower-

It's more about shutting down the chinese goldfarming/runefarming websites.

Players are going to pay cash for their items.

This is exactly like prohibition ending.

Really? Blizzard nickle-and-diming their customers in an effort to pinch out an even greater profit than they already are is now equivalent to ratifying the 21st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? I'll give you this, Blizzard fans never fail to amaze me with their ability to rationalize everything that company does. Talk about making a silk purse from a sow's ear...

Next time, for an even greater impact, use the 13th Amendment. You could say Blizzard is freeing its people from the shackles of gold and item sellers. We shall overcome, indeed!

Seeing as you probably have no friends, I will tell you a story about two friends I have that bought gold online for wow and runes for diablo:

My two friends had more money than time to play diablo 2 and wow. So they would go to less than reputible websites to buy items and gold.

One got his credit card info stolen.

One got his account stolen.

And both have been scammed.

Blizzard making it official is protecting my 2 friends from getting screwed by these guys.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Blizzard may not be the worst money grubbing transaction demons out there, but their fanboys are certainly the craziest.

xLittlekillx

But that's just it. You've built this false reality where there is a mass underground movement of people who for some reason have taken it upon themselves to speak badly about Blizzard on internet videogame message boards.

It's an overly defensive reaction to criticism directed at the actions of the company in a specific incident, in this case the transaction fees in Diablo 3.

Being unhappy with things like an always online requirement and a real money auction house in a video game is not the result of a conspiracy to undermine the PR state of Blizzard. It is the result of being unhappy about said things. That's it. There is no illuminati of Blizzard haters. There are just a lot of people who are upset with these things.

And being a psychopath about it isn't helping.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

It's more about shutting down the chinese goldfarming/runefarming websites.

Players are going to pay cash for their items.

This is exactly like prohibition ending.

GummiRaccoon

Really? Blizzard nickle-and-diming their customers in an effort to pinch out an even greater profit than they already are is now equivalent to ratifying the 21st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? I'll give you this, Blizzard fans never fail to amaze me with their ability to rationalize everything that company does. Talk about making a silk purse from a sow's ear...

Next time, for an even greater impact, use the 13th Amendment. You could say Blizzard is freeing its people from the shackles of gold and item sellers. We shall overcome, indeed!

Seeing as you probably have no friends, I will tell you a story about two friends I have that bought gold online for wow and runes for diablo:

My two friends had more money than time to play diablo 2 and wow. So they would go to less than reputible websites to buy items and gold.

One got his credit card info stolen.

One got his account stolen.

And both have been scammed.

Blizzard making it official is protecting my 2 friends from getting screwed by these guys.

Your friends are stupid. Did you know this?

Your friends are stupid. Did you know this?

xLittlekillx

Says the guy who keeps consciously slamming his head on something he doesn't understand :roll:

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

Your friends are stupid. Did you know this?

N30F3N1X

Says the guy who keeps consciously slamming his head on something he doesn't understand :roll:

Please, enlighten me on the things which I am not understanding.

Seeing as you probably have no friends, I will tell you a story about two friends I have that bought gold online for wow and runes for diablo:

My two friends had more money than time to play diablo 2 and wow. So they would go to less than reputible websites to buy items and gold.

One got his credit card info stolen.

One got his account stolen.

And both have been scammed.

Blizzard making it official is protecting my 2 friends from getting screwed by these guys.

GummiRaccoon

Oh my, aren't you a clever little sprig? No friends. Ha! So original and so funny. How do you do it?

At any rate, yes, I have friends but apparently, unlike your friends, mine aren't self-entitled idiots. My friends, if they played games (they don't), would actually put forth the effort required to earn their sparkly trinkets themselves. Yes, I know, it's a shocking, almost foreign concept for the immediate gratification, I-wants-mine-too, generation to grasp.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Seeing as you probably have no friends, I will tell you a story about two friends I have that bought gold online for wow and runes for diablo:

My two friends had more money than time to play diablo 2 and wow. So they would go to less than reputible websites to buy items and gold.

One got his credit card info stolen.

One got his account stolen.

And both have been scammed.

Blizzard making it official is protecting my 2 friends from getting screwed by these guys.

-wildflower-

Oh my, aren't you a clever little sprig? No friends. Ha! So original and so funny. How do you do it?

At any rate, yes, I have friends but apparently, unlike your friends, mine aren't self-entitled idiots. My friends, if they played games (they don't), would actually put forth the effort required to earn their sparkly trinkets themselves. Yes, I know, it's a shocking, almost foreign concept for the immediate gratification, I-wants-mine-too, generation to grasp.

So one should put all his/her blood, sweat, and tears into gaming rather than into a career? Given the choice, I'd rather devote most of my time to making money and less time grinding.

Ahh, so Diablo is a grind. I've always thought it was too but it's nice that others agree.

Ahh, so Diablo is a grind. I've always thought it was too but it's nice that others agree.

-wildflower-

It was and is. An addictive, fun grind IMO. However, when D2 was out, I was in middle school and high school with a lot of free time. Now with D3 out, I will be out of college and working full time with little to no free time. If busy players choose to buy items from players with more time, why should that stop them?

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Seeing as you probably have no friends, I will tell you a story about two friends I have that bought gold online for wow and runes for diablo:

My two friends had more money than time to play diablo 2 and wow. So they would go to less than reputible websites to buy items and gold.

One got his credit card info stolen.

One got his account stolen.

And both have been scammed.

Blizzard making it official is protecting my 2 friends from getting screwed by these guys.

-wildflower-

Oh my, aren't you a clever little sprig? No friends. Ha! So original and so funny. How do you do it?

At any rate, yes, I have friends but apparently, unlike your friends, mine aren't self-entitled idiots. My friends, if they played games (they don't), would actually put forth the effort required to earn their sparkly trinkets themselves. Yes, I know, it's a shocking, almost foreign concept for the immediate gratification, I-wants-mine-too, generation to grasp.

If you had a dollar for every concept you didn't understand you'd be able to buy all the gear you want in diablo3.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Really? Blizzard nickle-and-diming their customers in an effort to pinch out an even greater profit than they already are is now equivalent to ratifying the 21st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution? I'll give you this, Blizzard fans never fail to amaze me with their ability to rationalize everything that company does. Talk about making a silk purse from a sow's ear...

Next time, for an even greater impact, use the 13th Amendment. You could say Blizzard is freeing its people from the shackles of gold and item sellers. We shall overcome, indeed!

xLittlekillx

Seeing as you probably have no friends, I will tell you a story about two friends I have that bought gold online for wow and runes for diablo:

My two friends had more money than time to play diablo 2 and wow. So they would go to less than reputible websites to buy items and gold.

One got his credit card info stolen.

One got his account stolen.

And both have been scammed.

Blizzard making it official is protecting my 2 friends from getting screwed by these guys.

Your friends are stupid. Did you know this?

Did I say I had smart friends?

The point is if blizz legitimizes it, they don't need as much customer service to handle all the "my account got hacked" calls.

So they are turning something that was costing them money into something that was making them money.

....for every concept you didn't understand you'd be able to buy all the gear you want in diablo3.

GummiRaccoon

More ad hominem attacks, priceless. Not that I'm surprised - considering what your "friends" are like. :cry:

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Ahh, so Diablo is a grind. I've always thought it was too but it's nice that others agree.

Cwagmire21

It was and is. An addictive, fun grind IMO. However, when D2 was out, I was in middle school and high school with a lot of free time. Now with D3 out, I will be out of college and working full time with little to no free time. If busy players choose to buy items from players with more time, why should that stop them?

I work full time, too. What's your point? Does that mean I can cheat at games now? Sorry, I don't have time to unlock all of my weapons in a on-line FPS I guess I can hack with impunity. I'm a busy man; I'm entitled! I'm not all that good at aiming either so, instead of practicing and getting better, I'll just use an aim-bot. Who has the time these days to not take the easy way out?

What you're talking about is cheating, sanctioned cheating, but don't fool yourself, it's still cheating.