Did Modern warfare 2 flop on the pc? ....NOT!!!

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#201 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]I think what bugs me the most is that he says that he does not support the focus of most developers on consoles, but instead of supporting the companies that do care about the PC market he buys the crap PC ports that haven't had any effort put into them to make them a real PC game. Iantheone
..and there wont be any if multiplatforms games wont sell well on pc. By boycott them you only tell the developers that you are not interested in their games and they will stop releasing them at the end Long story short, pc is gonna fall lower on multiplatform sales and you gonna give the message to gamedevelopers that pc gamers are either pirates or not interested and they will stop making games. Therefore the quality of the pc is gonna fall even lower. Is this what you want?

By boycotting a game i am telling them that i will not buy the game they made. I am not telling them i will never buy anything they make, just that one game. I own COD4 and loved it, i was looking forward to MW2. If they added in those few small things me and hundreds of thousands of other players would also buy the game. You also forget that there are companies that create games with the PC in mind. Crytek, Valve, Bioware. Sadly im not an expert on video game companies so i cant list many more

1) by boycotting a game you tell them exactly that, that "you wont buy their game" All those multiplatforms games out there have those porting issues so people liek you dont buy them and the quality of the pc version is being lowered by every new release since there are no sales on the pc. 2)I loved cod4 and i love mw2, i dont think that some server changes they made wreck the game, atleast not enough to rate cod4 with a 9.0 and mw2 with a 1.0, like people who dont have the games do. Crytek, is going to multiplatform so i bet that they will become like the rest. Valve has stuck in 2004, no gameplay changes or features or technology/graphical advancements, they hardly do anything apart from scratching their legs since neither the stuttering issue is fixed. Bioware focused on consoles for a good amount of time like jade empire and mass effect. I guess we can reach a compromise with dragon age origins, but still i wouldnt say they are dedicated to pc.
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#202 dakan45
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] Funny because you describe it as a perfect console port yet you say it isn't a console game ported to PC, which is exactly what MW 2 is, down to the core, it's the exact version with keyboard and mouse support with video options.

Funny, because many multiplatform games dont even have graphics settings nowadays, just resolution....

Can't think of a single decent multiplatform game that didn't have video settings on PC.

I experianced some, the only one i can rember right now is rise of the argonauts that had only resolutuon and broken spell use controls alsp bionnic commando and silent hill homecoming had only resolution too.
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#203 emperorist91
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Funny, because many multiplatform games dont even have graphics settings nowadays, just resolution....dakan45
Can't think of a single decent multiplatform game that didn't have video settings on PC.

I experianced some, the only one i can rember right now is rise of the argonauts that had only resolutuon and broken spell use controls alsp bionnic commando and silent hill homecoming had only resolution too.

He said decent.

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#204 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="dakan45"] ..and there wont be any if multiplatforms games wont sell well on pc. By boycott them you only tell the developers that you are not interested in their games and they will stop releasing them at the end Long story short, pc is gonna fall lower on multiplatform sales and you gonna give the message to gamedevelopers that pc gamers are either pirates or not interested and they will stop making games. Therefore the quality of the pc is gonna fall even lower. Is this what you want?

By boycotting a game i am telling them that i will not buy the game they made. I am not telling them i will never buy anything they make, just that one game. I own COD4 and loved it, i was looking forward to MW2. If they added in those few small things me and hundreds of thousands of other players would also buy the game. You also forget that there are companies that create games with the PC in mind. Crytek, Valve, Bioware. Sadly im not an expert on video game companies so i cant list many more

1) by boycotting a game you tell them exactly that, that "you wont buy their game" All those multiplatforms games out there have those porting issues so people liek you dont buy them and the quality of the pc version is being lowered by every new release since there are no sales on the pc. 2)I loved cod4 and i love mw2, i dont think that some server changes they made wreck the game, atleast not enough to rate cod4 with a 9.0 and mw2 with a 1.0, like people who dont have the games do. Crytek, is going to multiplatform so i bet that they will become like the rest. Valve has stuck in 2004, no gameplay changes or features or technology/graphical advancements, they hardly do anything apart from scratching their legs since neither the stuttering issue is fixed. Bioware focused on consoles for a good amount of time like jade empire and mass effect. I guess we can reach a compromise with dragon age origins, but still i wouldnt say they are dedicated to pc.

1) The PC gaming market is huge. They will not simply drop it. They will have to address the problems the community has with the game and fix it. 2) For me it completely wrecked the game. Im a mapper and i support and play a lot of mods. In most cases the mods are actually better than the original game. Crytek is going multi platform, so what? They are still making PC games and if they are smart they will comtinue making them the way they have been. As for Valve, do i have to put a list of all the technological advancements they had made and added over the past 6 years?
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#205 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]Man, mw2 is not a rubbish port, gta iv is a rubbish port... Your logic is flawed and filled with hate. Infact definition speaking, wm2 is not considered a port since it came out the same day as the console versions. So your agument is flawed too since we both using flawed logic:Demperorist91

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Semantics in Gaming are premature so dont go to the definition area . My logic isnt flawed since the MW2 PC Version is the xbox/ps3 version with mouse support , graphic options and IW Net.Oh **** .. such a great original game . And another argument why it is a port is this : It doesnt include all the characteristics pc games have for more than a decade : MP and SP wise(mods , servers etc etc etc).

Many multiplatform games are like that, neither OPF2 had dedicated servers or lean. To put it simple every pc version of a multiplatform game is a "port" So its just like i said, IW did not do anything worse than all the others, they only joined the party and started focusing mostly in consoles. if you wanna be pissed at someone, be pissed at every multiplatform developer that do the same things and not only at IW, they didnt started this, IW was one of the last remaining Game developers that cared about the pc version, call them traitors or whatever you want call them rubbish ports but please treat them like all the other multiplatform developers since they worth the same treatment judging from what they do to the pc version, that you think its so terrible. Long story shors, if IW and Activision thin they can get away with it, thats good for them. So did it mw2 fail on the pc? So far its a hell no, because everything is going even better than cod4.
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#206 DanielDust
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I experianced some, the only one i can rember right now is rise of the argonauts that had only resolutuon and broken spell use controls alsp bionnic commando and silent hill homecoming had only resolution too.dakan45
Yeah, I don't consider those games "decent", especially RotA and Silent Hill. When you said that many games don't have video settings I thought you meant many games that people actually play, not just a few games that you played that aren't worth mentioning (maybe just Sillent Hill for die hard fans, but the rest...). A few doesn't mean many.

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#207 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] Can't think of a single decent multiplatform game that didn't have video settings on PC.emperorist91

I experianced some, the only one i can rember right now is rise of the argonauts that had only resolutuon and broken spell use controls alsp bionnic commando and silent hill homecoming had only resolution too.

He said decent.

Compared with gta iv and saints row 2, they are decent :)
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#208 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="emperorist91"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] I experianced some, the only one i can rember right now is rise of the argonauts that had only resolutuon and broken spell use controls alsp bionnic commando and silent hill homecoming had only resolution too.dakan45

He said decent.

Compared with gta iv and saints row 2, they are decent :)

GTA IV is perfect if you can play it and you don't call a game bad just because of performance issues. SR2 yes, crap game and not just performance, everything is.
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#209 dakan45
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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]1) The PC gaming market is huge. They will not simply drop it. They will have to address the problems the community has with the game and fix it. 2) For me it completely wrecked the game. Im a mapper and i support and play a lot of mods. In most cases the mods are actually better than the original game. Crytek is going multi platform, so what? They are still making PC games and if they are smart they will comtinue making them the way they have been. As for Valve, do i have to put a list of all the technological advancements they had made and added over the past 6 years?

1) I higly doubt they even bother. 2)Right, right thats what we thought about IW and other developers like Monolith and fear 2, lets just wait and see what the CEO or crytek will don once he sees the console money. 3)Over the past 6 years? How exatly anything valve has done after hl2 is a technological achievement, its actually a technological dissachievement that they dont do anything.
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#210 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="emperorist91"]

He said decent.

DanielDust

Compared with gta iv and saints row 2, they are decent :)

GTA IV is perfect if you can play it and you don't call a game bad just because of performance issues. SR2 yes, crap game and not just performance, everything is.

no its not pefect, its the worst optimized porting result ever created. The way it handles resources is a mess and the way it connects them to build up the visuals is terrible.

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#211 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Compared with gta iv and saints row 2, they are decent :)dakan45

GTA IV is perfect if you can play it and you don't call a game bad just because of performance issues. SR2 yes, crap game and not just performance, everything is.

no its not pefect, its the worst optimized porting result ever created. The way it handles resources is a mess and the way it connects them to build up the visuals is terrible.

Having recently played GTA SA, I don't agree with you.

Performance is decent after the last patch because I did had some problems thanks to the previous patch (even tho the latest one should do nothing for performance), but I can't complain because I don't have a graphics card with 1.5 gb of RAM for all the textures...yes it does need that much, because it's the most complex game released so far, Crysis pales in comparison. Considering the requirements that are justified, I am pleased with performance and if you think GTA IV has texture problems, you should play GTA SA, which I'm pretty sure I have at least 4 times the PC to max it out and textures pop up quite frequently.

But no use arguing with you, it's obvious you don't judge games by quality, just polish, which I do not look after. If I were like you then Empire TW would have a 2 score because performance is horrible, but because it's a great game, it deserved way more and that's why I gave it as much as I did.

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#212 dakan45
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"] GTA IV is perfect if you can play it and you don't call a game bad just because of performance issues. SR2 yes, crap game and not just performance, everything is.DanielDust

no its not pefect, its the worst optimized porting result ever created. The way it handles resources is a mess and the way it connects them to build up the visuals is terrible.

Having recently played GTA SA, I don't agree with you.

Performance is decent after the last patch because I did had some problems thanks to the previous patch (even tho the latest one should do nothing for performance), but I can't complain because I don't have a graphics card with 1.5 gb of RAM for all the textures...yes it does need that much, because it's the most complex game released so far, Crysis pales in comparison. Considering the requirements that are justified, I am pleased with performance and if you think GTA IV has texture problems, you should play GTA SA, which I'm pretty sure I have at least 4 times the PC to max it out and textures pop up quite frequently.

But no use arguing with you, it's obvious you don't judge games by quality, just polish, which I do not look after. If I were like you then Empire TW would have a 2 score because performance is horrible, but because it's a great game, it deserved way more and that's why I gave it as much as I did.

Well i never experiance a popin texture issue in san andreas. If i played for many, many hours at vice city, then some textures took a while to appear. Gta iv however, i even see objects poping all the time. In comparison with every other open world game or a demanding game, gta iv is the only one that it looks like that objects are bonded together in a very poor way. Thats why i say the way it handles graphics is terrible. Whatever the case the statment that i dont value quality is untrue, example gta sa was a much better game than gta iv, due to better, story missions, characters, bigger map with diffirent cities and more weapons and vehicles. Let alone the superior quality of the mission variety and the soundtrack. So how can i not value quality? Another example will be a very unpolished game like clear sky, story wise its meh, sound wise and voice acting is even worse, the gameplay is unbalanced and buggy with homing grenades, weird ai, poor combat balance and half arsed gameplay features. So what can i value? Another one will be cryostasis, nice game but how i am supose to enjoy it when it uses only one core on a quad core cpu and it lags like crazy. Those cases optimazation is necassary. An optimized and polished game like mass effect however.....well i didnt like it, i thought it lacked content, story quality and good gameplay (combat for example)
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#213 Iantheone
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I think this just prove that you have a horrible taste for games :/
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#214 dakan45
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I think this just prove that you have a horrible taste for games :/Iantheone
Well i put it this way, pc gamers like morrowind, i like oblivion and fallout 3. Pc games like mass effect and neverwinter nights 2 i like something in the middle like dragon age for or the wticher which i loved. Pc gamers like stalker and hl2, i like cod series and far cry 2. They liked crysis, i prefered FEAR They liked quake iv i liked doom 3 In 2004 they loved hl2, i thought it was pretty meh and i enjoyed doom 3 and far cry They like l4d i prefer killing floor They disliked necrosivion and cryostasis , i loved them (pc exlusives) I dislike x360 games and i love ps3 exclusives. So pretty much i would say opposite tastes :)
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#215 thekodaman
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Okay, lets put this in perspective. PC sales in the UK accounted for 3% of sales, that is utterly pathetic and proves that the hardcore multiplayer crowd goes where the good gameplay is - not necessarily the latest big franchise. I just hope that Infinity Ward take this on board and don't ruin their next Call of Duty title.
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#216 emperorist91
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[QUOTE="emperorist91"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] I experianced some, the only one i can rember right now is rise of the argonauts that had only resolutuon and broken spell use controls alsp bionnic commando and silent hill homecoming had only resolution too.dakan45

He said decent.

Compared with gta iv and saints row 2, they are decent :)

nope

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#217 emperorist91
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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]I think this just prove that you have a horrible taste for games :/dakan45
Well i put it this way, pc gamers like morrowind, i like oblivion and fallout 3. Pc games like mass effect and neverwinter nights 2 i like something in the middle like dragon age for or the wticher which i loved. Pc gamers like stalker and hl2, i like cod series and far cry 2. They liked crysis, i prefered FEAR They liked quake iv i liked doom 3 In 2004 they loved hl2, i thought it was pretty meh and i enjoyed doom 3 and far cry They like l4d i prefer killing floor They disliked necrosivion and cryostasis , i loved them (pc exlusives) I dislike x360 games and i love ps3 exclusives. So pretty much i would say opposite tastes :)

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Who are these pc gamers , do you have statistics , numbers , or any kind of proof for what you are saying? What a pile of generalising crap is this ffs.You are so in your own world that you are deviding PC Gamers to PC Gamer and You.It doesnt make any sense . Who are those PC Gamers " that like stalker and hl2" and didnt like cod and far cry 2 . Omg you are driving me crazy mate.And if i liked Doom 3 and FarCry and i didnt like Fear would we have same or opposite tastes?Jesus.

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#218 mo0ksi
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I think this just prove that you have a horrible taste for games :/Iantheone
I've been wanting to say this for the longest time, but I didn't want to come off as rude. But seriously Dakan, I don't mean to be rude, but your taste is just incredibly shallow.
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#219 morrowindnic
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The fact is you buying a game from a company that doesn't care about you. While those other games you listed were made by companies that did.dakan45

:shock: How the hell gta iv cared about us?

Or silent hill origins and bionic commando? Or fear 2 or rise of the argonauts? Or mercanaries 2? You know what? I give up. No game developer really cares about buyers, they only care about money, if you cant see that, then am sorry but this is how gaming industry works.

Actually Bethesda cares about its customers, and im pretty sure some of those others do also.

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#220 naval
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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]I think this just prove that you have a horrible taste for games :/dakan45
Well i put it this way, pc gamers like morrowind, i like oblivion and fallout 3. Pc games like mass effect and neverwinter nights 2 i like something in the middle like dragon age for or the wticher which i loved. Pc gamers like stalker and hl2, i like cod series and far cry 2. They liked crysis, i prefered FEAR They liked quake iv i liked doom 3 In 2004 they loved hl2, i thought it was pretty meh and i enjoyed doom 3 and far cry They like l4d i prefer killing floor They disliked necrosivion and cryostasis , i loved them (pc exlusives) I dislike x360 games and i love ps3 exclusives. So pretty much i would say opposite tastes :)

actually most pc gamers liked Cryostasis and far cry . ZOMG you re liking what most other PC gamers like, so I guess you are going to dislike these two games from now, right :roll:

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[...]be pissed at every multiplatform developer that do the same things and not only at IW [...]

So did it mw2 fail on the pc? So far its a hell no, because everything is going even better than cod4.dakan45

DICE did a watered down version of BF 2 to consoles and they chose to not port it to PC. Now they are doing BC 2, and they plans to the PC version included some enhancements like full support to dedicated servers, while they simultaneously develop BF 3 as a PC title. They have no real needs to make a PC version of BC 2 since the BF 3 announcement, but since BF 3 is a 2010 game they chose to port BC 2, and since the PC standards are higher they are improving the game to be a good bridge from BF 2 to BF 3.

On the other hand, IW did a awful work with the new MW 2, striping and disabling any key feature present in COD 4 and turning the game in a copy & paste from the Xbox 360 version. How can MW 2 be even better than COD 4 if currently COD 4 is ahead of MW 2 in number of players. As I said, they shot themselves in the foot, because Activision wants to milk COD franchise in the form of a MMO FPS, and the only platform in which a monthly fee game is currently viable is PC, and now have most of they potential purchasers angry against.

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#222 Zemus
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as much as we should have our own Dedicated servers, I couldn't help but laugh when the SteamGroup that boycotted the game saying they would refuse to buy it turned out 95% of their members were playing launch day on steam.

The sad thing is, it does just prove that Threats are nothing but Empty promises that no one ever intends to keep for matters like this because they want the game so bad, they don't care how they are forced to play.

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if currently COD 4 is ahead of MW 2 in number of playersOndoval

no it's not

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#224 Butter
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as much as we should have our own Dedicated servers, I couldn't help but laugh when the SteamGroup that boycotted the game saying they would refuse to buy it turned out 95% of their members were playing launch day on steam.

The sad thing is, it does just prove that Threats are nothing but Empty promises that no one ever intends to keep for matters like this because they want the game so bad, they don't care how they are forced to play.

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Boom. Hit the nail on the head. I signed the boycott and haven't bought the game, and won't. I know of 5 other people that didn't buy the game either. Sure they made a lot of money but they could have made more.
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#225 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]1) The PC gaming market is huge. They will not simply drop it. They will have to address the problems the community has with the game and fix it. 2) For me it completely wrecked the game. Im a mapper and i support and play a lot of mods. In most cases the mods are actually better than the original game. Crytek is going multi platform, so what? They are still making PC games and if they are smart they will comtinue making them the way they have been. As for Valve, do i have to put a list of all the technological advancements they had made and added over the past 6 years?

1) I higly doubt they even bother. 2)Right, right thats what we thought about IW and other developers like Monolith and fear 2, lets just wait and see what the CEO or crytek will don once he sees the console money. 3)Over the past 6 years? How exatly anything valve has done after hl2 is a technological achievement, its actually a technological dissachievement that they dont do anything.

There are more things in a game other than what you see.
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#226 Ondoval
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[QUOTE="Ondoval"]if currently COD 4 is ahead of MW 2 in number of playersEnosh88

no it's not

Yes, it is; 93.000 is > than 72.000 in my agenda, and even I known that Xfire numbers are not the whole amount of players online, I known that their % are pretty accurate:

http://www.xfire.com/games/cod4/Call_of_Duty_4_Modern_Warfare/

http://www.xfire.com/games/codmw2/Call_of_Duty_Modern_Warfare_2/

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#227 blade55555
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[QUOTE="SemperFi10"]

I won't buy this game, it's a piece of crap. Flop or not to most PC gamers, the game is still a flop to me.

dakan45
...says the gears of war guy, that game really flopped on pc.

What does that have to do with anything? He thinks MW2 is a piece of crap but you bring gears up? Man your hopeless.
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#228 _Pedro_
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[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

[QUOTE="Ondoval"]if currently COD 4 is ahead of MW 2 in number of playersOndoval

no it's not

Yes, it is; 93.000 is > than 72.000 in my agenda, and even I known that Xfire numbers are not the whole amount of players online, I known that their % are pretty accurate:

http://www.xfire.com/games/cod4/Call_of_Duty_4_Modern_Warfare/

http://www.xfire.com/games/codmw2/Call_of_Duty_Modern_Warfare_2/

In this case it isn't as most people using steam have been disabling x-fire. MW2 is currently the most played online shooter on the pc with a 100 thousand playing online. (at this very moment CoD4 "only" has 30k.

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#229 tony2077ca
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[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="SemperFi10"]

I won't buy this game, it's a piece of crap. Flop or not to most PC gamers, the game is still a flop to me.

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...says the gears of war guy, that game really flopped on pc.

What does that have to do with anything? He thinks MW2 is a piece of crap but you bring gears up? Man your hopeless.

your all hopeless
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#230 Qixote
Member since 2002 • 10843 Posts

Currently as I type this, the pc game is showing that 140,465 people are online playing right now. Yeah, huge flop. Lol.

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#231 Enosh88
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Yes, it is; 93.000 is > than 72.000 in my agenda, and even I known that Xfire numbers are not the whole amount of players online, I known that their % are pretty accurate:

http://www.xfire.com/games/cod4/Call_of_Duty_4_Modern_Warfare/

http://www.xfire.com/games/codmw2/Call_of_Duty_Modern_Warfare_2/

Ondoval

so CoD4 had 93k people with xfire playing today

there are 94k people playing MW2 MP RIGHT NOW, I don't mean per day, I mean now, this very moment (add another 25k playing the single player/spec ops)

http://store.steampowered.com/stats

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#232 Roris0A
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As others have stated, MW2 has completely obliterated MW. As MW never had more than 40k people playing multiplayer even at it's peak. While MW2 has twice as much.

And it's also become the most played online fps on the pc as a whole - even beating Counter Strike: Source.

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#233 Skeptomania
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I bought Frontlines since it was on sale for 75% off on Steam. I guess I can't complain because of the price I paid, but it's basically an amateurish version of Battlefield. I feel sorry for anyone who paid full price for it.

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#234 Grodus5
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If it weren't for this whole deal, I would not have bought the game. I never liked the first one, but I decided to give the second one a go. Bought it on Friday, but I was gone for the weekend and couldn't play it. I did buy the 360 version, however, just because I'm the only one of my friends that has a gaming computer, but I would have bought it for the PC if that were not the case.

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#235 UnknownSniper65
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I bought Frontlines since it was on sale for 75% off on Steam. I guess I can't complain because of the price I paid, but it's basically an amateurish version of Battlefield. I feel sorry for anyone who paid full price for it.

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**cries** thanks man.