Dx 10?

Haven't you guys read of what i said???. Again directx has nothing to do of making games looks better. Now for crysis this is a cheap ploy for crytek because you can enable direcx10 features in dx 9 mode by modifying a config file. This game was not a true directx 10 to begin with. What directx 10 is going to do over 9 is making it more efficient which will reduce system requirements a bit and hopefully make it easier for the developers.

The reason why directx 10 has not caught up is because one vista and 2 they haven't maxed out directx 9 yet as being efficient but sooner or later as hardware and games advances they are going to have to jump on to directx10. And also to note that directx11 will be the extension of directx10 so there is no break in compatibility what so ever.

Here are more detail info about it

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15171

Haven't you guys read of what i said???. Again directx has nothing to do of making games looks better. Now for crysis this is a cheap ploy for crytek because you can enable direcx10 features in dx 9 mode by modifying a config file. This game was not a true directx 10 to begin with. What directx 10 is going to do over 9 is making it more efficient which will reduce system requirements a bit and hopefully make it easier for the developers.

The reason why directx 10 has not caught up is because one vista and 2 they haven't maxed out directx 9 yet as being efficient but sooner or later as hardware and games advances they are going to have to jump on to directx10. And also to note that directx11 will be the extension of directx10 so there is no break in compatibility what so ever.

Here are more detail info about it

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15171

MarioJP_

Mario...where for art though oh Mario?! Do you believe everything you read? You must have been really disappointed when Vista hit because it was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread. Yup...there's one born every minute!

You're right about the name directx, you know where microsoft got the idea? APPLE!!! It's because the MacOS doesn't have to fish through all of this BS to get things to work properly. You're missing the point that everyone here is trying to explain to you, DX11 isn't necessary because they're "adding support" for additional features, when developers haven't even been able to get DX10 working with any great efficiency.

So here's the irony...if the truth is that DX is supposed to allow direct access to hardware...why is it that everything slows down in DX10...gee, maybe because the software isn't being developed thoroughly or properly?????

funny how i dont have that problem i can play bioshock in dx10 mode and not a slow down at all hardly ever notice it. the reason for the slow downs was because the drivers were not up to snuff but that seems to be disappearing per each driver update. in fact i hardly even notice the difference now between xp and vista.

i am witnessing first hand. Even devil may cry 4 running it in dx10 mode. Hardly notice any performance hit.

And also i did not say if this was necessary or not i am looking at it, as a progression standpoint not a necessary feature well for now at least. Like i said i wouldnt worry about it because it won't be ready until 2 or 3 years later.

I am already starting to see video cards doing physics so whats wrong with that. At least the api will make sure that it becomes easy for the devs. Now as for drivers thats a diffrent story. The api has nothing to do with the drivers, so if you are expriencing slows downs compared to xp then it is the driver that needs to be updated. I know this because at first i did had a minor slowdown in games but after i updated the drivers that went away.

so yea your right i don't believe everything i read i see it first hand lol.

I'm going to agree, mostly, with Mario here. At first I was pissed with DX10.. but with better drivers I'm getting pretty good performance now with Company of Heroes. The graphic improvements are barely noticeable but I see them when I switch back and forth. I still use dx9 with FSX though, it'd be great if they could improve the performance there with the next service pack. Call of Juarez, which isn't that great a game does look better with DX10, but it's not like lt looks bad in 9 either. I haven't really tested many others, but as drivers improve dx10 is gettting better.

As for dx11, as Mario pointed out in another link, I read on Rage3d that it will be compatible with DX 10 and 10.1 cards... not sure what that really means in the long run but I think it should all driver related as in the current 10 cards should be able to support everything 11 can do with proper software.

by the time DX11 is delivered it will be 2-3 years.

After release, the games will start popping up slowly, probably another 1-2 years. So expect to wait a minimum of 4 years before even needing dx11 hardware.

MS announced Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows. Hopefully thereafter an robust open source api similar to Open GL pops up and the keys are given to Linux and we will be free at last.

p00pz

amen

[QUOTE="p00pz"]

by the time DX11 is delivered it will be 2-3 years.

After release, the games will start popping up slowly, probably another 1-2 years. So expect to wait a minimum of 4 years before even needing dx11 hardware.

MS announced Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows. Hopefully thereafter an robust open source api similar to Open GL pops up and the keys are given to Linux and we will be free at last.

foggy666

amen

Wow I wish...........I doubt that will ever happen though.

[QUOTE="p00pz"]

by the time DX11 is delivered it will be 2-3 years.

After release, the games will start popping up slowly, probably another 1-2 years. So expect to wait a minimum of 4 years before even needing dx11 hardware.

MS announced Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows. Hopefully thereafter an robust open source api similar to Open GL pops up and the keys are given to Linux and we will be free at last.

foggy666

amen

Linux is free but the games wont be and at that point gaming would have move to consoles because gaming is a business. so yup you did a fantastic job of pushing away gaming on the pc and now people dont have to worry about Linux and pc's anymore lol.

[QUOTE="foggy666"][QUOTE="p00pz"]

by the time DX11 is delivered it will be 2-3 years.

After release, the games will start popping up slowly, probably another 1-2 years. So expect to wait a minimum of 4 years before even needing dx11 hardware.

MS announced Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows. Hopefully thereafter an robust open source api similar to Open GL pops up and the keys are given to Linux and we will be free at last.

MarioJP_

amen

Linux is free but the games wont be and at that point gaming would have move to consoles because gaming is a business. so yup you did a fantastic job of pushing away gaming on the pc and now people dont have to worry about Linux and pc's anymore lol.

Explain further in detail plz.

You gotta be kidding me. You don't know that gaming is a multi million dollar industry??. Please tell me that you do know because making games for free is not viable for the gaming market. Its ok to make older games free because it had its days but making games for free in general will make ea and other gaming companies flat broke.

This is the sole reason why consoles exist so to max profits.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]On paper, everyone is angry that the games aren't a whole lot better, but i think with DX11 we should see a bigger leap. blacktorn

You can blame developers and economies of scale for the shortage of DX10 games.

Until more people get DX10 class hardware (i.e. We get people away from the $100 DX9 video cards of old to $100 DX10 cards), we won't see developers coding games primarily for DX10. The same will happen to DX11, and the same has happened for EVERY single past DirectX release.

Also, DX11 looks like an evolution, not a revolution like what DX10 was.

How on earth was it a revolution?Post me a dx10 game screenshot vs. a dx 9 one and the difference is minimal at best...

DX11 sound a bigger jump than DX10/10.1 primarily because it supports multi core cpu's in the engine,which will not only improve the support and efficiency of multi-core cpu's in use with games but will also make it cheaper and more cost effective to do so.

Also tessellation is a big deal,it pretty much eliminates jaggies for good and also the requirements for tessellation should be alot lower vs. 16 AA ect

You're not looking at the big picture. :|

I've actually had a glance of the DX10/10.1 specifications verses the DX9 specifications. DX10 is totally different to DX9, and once developers become familiar with it, we should see some big gains in quality and rendering efficiency.

You can't call DX10 useless because of a screenshot on current games (even though PC_X360's post does provide good contrasts). That's like saying that alternative energy sources are completely useless (compared to coal and petrol) because they don't produce enough energy--you're not looking at the long term, where energy and car companies will create newer technology to make more efficient use of alternative energies.

The multicore CPU support of DX11 is just a coincidence with developer's own roadmaps to transition to multiple core processing. Intel and AMD have been offering developer software tools to help enhance multiple core processing for quite some time now, and we're starting to see the benefits in some current games. That's also not mentioning the fact that dual and quad core processors are quite cheap, which has helped move people away from single core processors. I guess you could say MS decided to ride the perfect wave when it came to actually timing when to provide official multiple core support.

Also, that's not how tesselation works.

[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]On paper, everyone is angry that the games aren't a whole lot better, but i think with DX11 we should see a bigger leap. Wesker776

You can blame developers and economies of scale for the shortage of DX10 games.

Until more people get DX10 class hardware (i.e. We get people away from the $100 DX9 video cards of old to $100 DX10 cards), we won't see developers coding games primarily for DX10. The same will happen to DX11, and the same has happened for EVERY single past DirectX release.

Also, DX11 looks like an evolution, not a revolution like what DX10 was.

How on earth was it a revolution?Post me a dx10 game screenshot vs. a dx 9 one and the difference is minimal at best...

DX11 sound a bigger jump than DX10/10.1 primarily because it supports multi core cpu's in the engine,which will not only improve the support and efficiency of multi-core cpu's in use with games but will also make it cheaper and more cost effective to do so.

Also tessellation is a big deal,it pretty much eliminates jaggies for good and also the requirements for tessellation should be alot lower vs. 16 AA ect

You're not looking at the big picture. :|

I've actually had a glance of the DX10/10.1 specifications verses the DX9 specifications. DX10 is totally different to DX9, and once developers become familiar with it, we should see some big gains in quality and rendering efficiency.

You can't call DX10 useless because of a screenshot on current games (even though PC_X360's post does provide good contrasts). That's like saying that alternative energy sources are completely useless (compared to coal and petrol) because they don't produce enough energy--you're not looking at the long term, where energy and car companies will create newer technology to make more efficient use of alternative energies.

The multicore CPU support of DX11 is just a coincidence with developer's own roadmaps to transition to multiple core processing. Intel and AMD have been offering developer software tools to help enhance multiple core processing for quite some time now, and we're starting to see the benefits in some current games. That's also not mentioning the fact that dual and quad core processors are quite cheap, which has helped move people away from single core processors. I guess you could say MS decided to ride the perfect wave when it came to actually timing when to provide official multiple core support.

Also, that's not how tesselation works.

Thank you someone knows what they are really talking about well said so don't expect directx 11 to deliver better visuals because thats not what it does it is the hardware that will deliver the visuals. So basically what we are seeing is the bridge between software and hardware is gettin shorter to try to maxmimize efficiency and more fps for less resources while at the sametime having to assist on newer technologies that these next generation hardware can throw. Such as graphics cards now having physics like nvidia's cuda. Directx will keep getting revised until multithreading has finally kicked up to full speed. This might actually jump start 64bit computer in the process as well.

Well, no matter how you say it, or what you say about it...if you purchased Vista or a DX10 card recently, you got PUNK'D!

Well, no matter how you say it, or what you say about it...if you purchased Vista or a DX10 card recently, you got PUNK'D!

2005wrxsti

:|

This has got to be the most stupid post I've read on here in quite some time.

You gotta be kidding me. You don't know that gaming is a multi million dollar industry??. Please tell me that you do know because making games for free is not viable for the gaming market. Its ok to make older games free because it had its days but making games for free in general will make ea and other gaming companies flat broke.

This is the sole reason why consoles exist so to max profits.

MarioJP_

Go on...

[QUOTE="2005wrxsti"]

Well, no matter how you say it, or what you say about it...if you purchased Vista or a DX10 card recently, you got PUNK'D!

Wesker776

:|

This has got to be the most stupid post I've read on here in quite some time.

+1.

I am running vista 64 sp1 and i have yet to have a problem with it. All my apps and games runs flawlessly that i no longer need to keep windows xp. Sides moving to a 64bit os has finally arrived for the mainstream. So this is perfect timing to be improving on directx api so developers can make multi thread games without breaking a sweat. With that said yes direct 10 took awhile to catch up because it was only exlusive to vista but now it is finally getting traction as a gaming os and i am starting to see some benefits. Especially on a 64bit os where xp64 has failed horribly.

Like Vista or not It is picking up speed and accelerating.

WE STILL CAN'T PLAY DX10 THE WAY THINGS ARE...biltros

I know, ugh.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="2005wrxsti"]

Well, no matter how you say it, or what you say about it...if you purchased Vista or a DX10 card recently, you got PUNK'D!

Zillaschool

This has got to be the most stupid post I've read on here in quite some time.

+1.

-1,000,000

You did, sorry, I know it must hurt, (passes you the vasaline). Hey I just bought an 8800GTX about 8 to 12 months ago. I feel punk'd, because I've yet to use it with DX10 because of the inefficience of Vista. Now I've come to the conclusion that most of these people are, what's the point of buying Vista now? Games are still DX9 compatible, and those graphics are great. DX11 will be out in another year or so, thus what's the point of buying Vista as a gamer? There is none!

The only GOOD thing to come out of all of this is that this news has the potential to drop prices on the GTX 260 & 280. Since these "high end" cards won't support DX11.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I'm not cheering about it, but i'm also not bashing it like a lot of people. Progress is good.Wesker776

Totally agreed.

...and I have to laugh at everyone who says that DX9 offers nothing new over DX10 (and 10.1).

DX10 is a huge revolution over DX9.

I guess u meant "who says that DX10 offers nothing new over DX9". Right?

[QUOTE="Zillaschool"][QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="2005wrxsti"]

Well, no matter how you say it, or what you say about it...if you purchased Vista or a DX10 card recently, you got PUNK'D!

2005wrxsti

This has got to be the most stupid post I've read on here in quite some time.

+1.

-1,000,000

You did, sorry, I know it must hurt, (passes you the vasaline). Hey I just bought an 8800GTX about 8 to 12 months ago. I feel punk'd, because I've yet to use it with DX10 because of the inefficience of Vista. Now I've come to the conclusion that most of these people are, what's the point of buying Vista now? Games are still DX9 compatible, and those graphics are great. DX11 will be out in another year or so, thus what's the point of buying Vista as a gamer? There is none!

The only GOOD thing to come out of all of this is that this news has the potential to drop prices on the GTX 260 & 280. Since these "high end" cards won't support DX11.

Sorry, but your lack of knowledge in hardware and software is showing.

You must be dreaming if you think that DX11 games will be out in a year's time; The Vista hate is getting pretty old and generic now; Plenty of people are enjoying DX10; Developers are shifting to higher units of DX10 titles; Also, DX11 is slated for Vista as well. :|

There are always slow people, such as yourself, who proclaim that new tech suddenly becomes useless because a future roadmap is revealed. It happens in every single industry and it happens all the time.

You lack a totally coherent argument, and frankly, you lack any form of knowledge on the topic at hand.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I'm not cheering about it, but i'm also not bashing it like a lot of people. Progress is good.domke13

Totally agreed.

...and I have to laugh at everyone who says that DX9 offers nothing new over DX10 (and 10.1).

DX10 is a huge revolution over DX9.

I guess u meant "who says that DX10 offers nothing new over DX9". Right?

Yes, thanks for the heads up, domke.

DX11 will make games perform better than DX10 did. Useless my ass! Good thing I didn't invest on this generations' video card.redneckdouglas

Oh great, another one. :roll:

I'm dumb because I don't agree? Typical American attitude. I just see through the marketing that you're not able to grasp. As I originally stated if you think that gaming hardware & software is about anything other than money then you're living in a fantasy world. I know hardware and software very well, and the bells and whistles don't capture my attention like they do yours. If what you say is true and DX10 is the "God Sent" gamers euphoria you claim it is, then when graphics card generations skipped from the 7 series to the 8 series, and processing streams doubled why the hell were there ANY lag problems.

Proof of this theory is in the 9800 series and the GX2 as well, don't tell me they weren't shuffling around those technologies at the same time! Also understand that the technology for 45nm has been around for about a year now, and guess what, graphics cards will be switching to that as soon as the companies have run their course on this current generation, so they can get you fan boys to buy the latest and greatest. Proof of this is in software everywhere, there's an expantion pack for every single game out there, seperation of content to acquire more $$$. It's the same thing with cars, why do you think sports car manufacturers bottleneck certain performance areas of the vehicles, SIMPLE...so they leave themselves room to improve the next generation and get consumers back on the showroom floors. Don't build a great product, build a product that just beats your competition, then save the rest of your cards for further marketing.

I'm dumb because I don't agree? Typical American attitude. I just see through the marketing that you're not able to grasp. As I originally stated if you think that gaming hardware & software is about anything other than money then you're living in a fantasy world. I know hardware and software very well, and the bells and whistles don't capture my attention like they do yours. If what you say is true and DX10 is the "God Sent" gamers euphoria you claim it is, then when graphics card generations skipped from the 7 series to the 8 series, and processing streams doubled why the hell were there ANY lag problems.

Proof of this theory is in the 9800 series and the GX2 as well, don't tell me they weren't shuffling around those technologies at the same time! Also understand that the technology for 45nm has been around for about a year now, and guess what, graphics cards will be switching to that as soon as the companies have run their course on this current generation, so they can get you fan boys to buy the latest and greatest. Proof of this is in software everywhere, there's an expantion pack for every single game out there, seperation of content to acquire more $$$. It's the same thing with cars, why do you think sports car manufacturers bottleneck certain performance areas of the vehicles, SIMPLE...so they leave themselves room to improve the next generation and get consumers back on the showroom floors. Don't build a great product, build a product that just beats your competition, then save the rest of your cards for further marketing.

2005wrxsti

Sorry meant to say...that 9800 series and GTX series were being developed simultaniously.

Hold on, seems a lot of you aren't listening to what some are saying. Ok i don't give a rats what dx 11 does all i know is this. Most people went out and spent a substantial amount of money on upgrading the video card for dx10. We were promised better performance and visuals and a revolution in gaming. Then while we all wait egar with anticipation for these games DX11 is announced. Since most of the people on here aren't made of money like some seem to be we can't just go out and buy i new video card on a whim. We just spent a lot of money getting our comps together for this supposed revolution that is DX 10, wtf. Where are the promises, have they already moved away from developing DX10 in favour of 11. That's why people who bought dx10 cards feel shafted as we haven't seen what this can do yet!! Will we ever???????? So go ahead and marvel in Microsoft's genius blindly kissing their ass. They laugh all the way to the bank and plan DX12

Hold on, seems a lot of you aren't listening to what some are saying. Ok i don't give a rats what dx 11 does all i know is this. Most people went out and spent a substantial amount of money on upgrading the video card for dx10. We were promised better performance and visuals and a revolution in gaming. Then while we all wait egar with anticipation for these games DX11 is announced. Since most of the people on here aren't made of money like some seem to be we can't just go out and buy i new video card on a whim. We just spent a lot of money getting our comps together for this supposed revolution that is DX 10, wtf. Where are the promises, have they already moved away from developing DX10 in favour of 11. That's why people who bought dx10 cards feel shafted as we haven't seen what this can do yet!! Will we ever???????? So go ahead and marvel in Microsoft's genius blindly kissing their ass. They laugh all the way to the bank and plan DX12

dannyw7982

It's a fact that DX10 cards ran DX9 games better then anything on the market when they were released. I personally didnt get my card to use DX10 at that time, thats why i also got XP with my PC (there was no Vista at that time anyways).

I'm sticking with DX9 for now

I feel pity for those that spent all their time and effort on getting the hardware to run directx 10

you guys dont understand. You are aware that directx10 cards can also be used as directx 9 as well. Furthermore some games gives you the option to select dx 10 or dx 9 mode such games like devil may cry 4. So if don't want to get a directx 9 card that also has support for dx10 than thats on you. because the only true directx 9 cards are the ati 1900 sereis and nvidia 7800 series.

I would love to see how much performance you get out of in dx9 mode vs a 4800 or 9800 series which not only has dx10 but a much faster dx9 mode. No comparison there. It will smoke your outdated 1900 series and 7800 series because people like you refuse to get a much faster dx9 card that has dx10.

I did not upgrade because of directx 10. I upgraded because i wanted more performance and be ready for nextgen games and my hardware happens to include dx10 alongside with dx9 so whats you point.

So really i am not that one thats missing out here you are.

[QUOTE="2005wrxsti"]

Well, no matter how you say it, or what you say about it...if you purchased Vista or a DX10 card recently, you got PUNK'D!

Wesker776

:|

This has got to be the most stupid post I've read on here in quite some time.

[QUOTE="2005wrxsti"]

I'm dumb because I don't agree? Typical American attitude. I just see through the marketing that you're not able to grasp. As I originally stated if you think that gaming hardware & software is about anything other than money then you're living in a fantasy world. I know hardware and software very well, and the bells and whistles don't capture my attention like they do yours. If what you say is true and DX10 is the "God Sent" gamers euphoria you claim it is, then when graphics card generations skipped from the 7 series to the 8 series, and processing streams doubled why the hell were there ANY lag problems.

Proof of this theory is in the 9800 series and the GX2 as well, don't tell me they weren't shuffling around those technologies at the same time! Also understand that the technology for 45nm has been around for about a year now, and guess what, graphics cards will be switching to that as soon as the companies have run their course on this current generation, so they can get you fan boys to buy the latest and greatest. Proof of this is in software everywhere, there's an expantion pack for every single game out there, seperation of content to acquire more $$$. It's the same thing with cars, why do you think sports car manufacturers bottleneck certain performance areas of the vehicles, SIMPLE...so they leave themselves room to improve the next generation and get consumers back on the showroom floors. Don't build a great product, build a product that just beats your competition, then save the rest of your cards for further marketing.

2005wrxsti

Sorry meant to say...that 9800 series and GTX series were being developed simultaniously.

you guys dont understand. You are aware that directx10 cards can also be used as directx 9 as well. Furthermore some games gives you the option to select dx 10 or dx 9 mode such games like devil may cry 4. So if don't want to get a directx 9 card that also has support for dx10 than thats on you. because the only true directx 9 cards are the ati 1900 sereis and nvidia 7800 series.

I would love to see how much performance you get out of in dx9 mode vs a 4800 or 9800 series which not only has dx10 but a much faster dx9 mode. No comparison there. It will smoke your outdated 1900 series and 7800 series because people like you refuse to get a much faster dx9 card that has dx10.

I did not upgrade because of directx 10. I upgraded because i wanted more performance and be ready for nextgen games and my hardware happens to include dx10 alongside with dx9 so whats you point.

So really i am not that one thats missing out here you are.

MarioJP_

no again you are skirting around the point, if you gonna awnser don't act like a laywer and twist it around. I bought a Dx10card for DX10 and now im being told that DX11 is coming. Does that mean dx10 is obsolete, did i waste my money. To clarify DX9 means absolutly nothing in the discussion. you upgraded for your reasons, i upgraded for mine.

Where the fk is my super DX10 games as advertised not only on the web but in this very thread????

Hold on, seems a lot of you aren't listening to what some are saying. Ok i don't give a rats what dx 11 does all i know is this. Most people went out and spent a substantial amount of money on upgrading the video card for dx10. We were promised better performance and visuals and a revolution in gaming. Then while we all wait egar with anticipation for these games DX11 is announced. Since most of the people on here aren't made of money like some seem to be we can't just go out and buy i new video card on a whim. We just spent a lot of money getting our comps together for this supposed revolution that is DX 10, wtf. Where are the promises, have they already moved away from developing DX10 in favour of 11. That's why people who bought dx10 cards feel shafted as we haven't seen what this can do yet!! Will we ever???????? So go ahead and marvel in Microsoft's genius blindly kissing their ass. They laugh all the way to the bank and plan DX12

dannyw7982

Finally...someone who's not been brainwashed by CORP. AMERICA!

[QUOTE="2005wrxsti"][QUOTE="2005wrxsti"]

I'm dumb because I don't agree? Typical American attitude. I just see through the marketing that you're not able to grasp. As I originally stated if you think that gaming hardware & software is about anything other than money then you're living in a fantasy world. I know hardware and software very well, and the bells and whistles don't capture my attention like they do yours. If what you say is true and DX10 is the "God Sent" gamers euphoria you claim it is, then when graphics card generations skipped from the 7 series to the 8 series, and processing streams doubled why the hell were there ANY lag problems.

Proof of this theory is in the 9800 series and the GX2 as well, don't tell me they weren't shuffling around those technologies at the same time! Also understand that the technology for 45nm has been around for about a year now, and guess what, graphics cards will be switching to that as soon as the companies have run their course on this current generation, so they can get you fan boys to buy the latest and greatest. Proof of this is in software everywhere, there's an expantion pack for every single game out there, seperation of content to acquire more $$$. It's the same thing with cars, why do you think sports car manufacturers bottleneck certain performance areas of the vehicles, SIMPLE...so they leave themselves room to improve the next generation and get consumers back on the showroom floors. Don't build a great product, build a product that just beats your competition, then save the rest of your cards for further marketing.

Spybot_9

Sorry meant to say...that 9800 series and GTX series were being developed simultaniously.

EDIT..."Noobishness" --- Now this, is a dumb comment Wesker!

lol , this is really funny! everybody (devs and us) didn't get to DX10 yet! no much DX10 games! so what's the deal? lol

no again you are skirting around the point, if you gonna awnser don't act like a laywer and twist it around. I bought a Dx10card for DX10 and now im being told that DX11 is coming. Does that mean dx10 is obsolete, did i waste my money. To clarify DX9 means absolutly nothing in the discussion. you upgraded for your reasons, i upgraded for mine.

Where the fk is my super DX10 games as advertised not only on the web but in this very thread????

dannyw7982

EDIT: Come to think of it , announcing DX11 or even releasing it doesn't mean devs will stop working on improving DX10 games!

just as DX10 have been around for sometime and it's not fully supported YET , DX11 will be too... so announcing DX11 doesn't kill DX10 at all! I think...

I'm dumb because I don't agree? Typical American attitude. I just see through the marketing that you're not able to grasp. As I originally stated if you think that gaming hardware & software is about anything other than money then you're living in a fantasy world.

2005wrxsti

Did I call you dumb? I said that you lack any form of knowledge on the matter, which is completely different from being "dumb".

Also, I'm not American, nor do I wish to be either.

I study economics at university, so I don't think I live in a fantasy world when it comes to money. :roll:

I know hardware and software very well, and the bells and whistles don't capture my attention like they do yours. If what you say is true and DX10 is the "God Sent" gamers euphoria you claim it is, then when graphics card generations skipped from the 7 series to the 8 series, and processing streams doubled why the hell were there ANY lag problems.

wrx

Did I claim that DX10 is a god send? Stop putting words in my mouth.

What lag problems are you talking about? Can you expound on that?

Proof of this theory is in the 9800 series and the GTX as well, don't tell me they weren't shuffling around those technologies at the same time!

wrx

What?

Again, can you try and explain things more thoroughly? I don't even know what you're trying to prove by using G92 and GT200 as an example.

...and of course they (Nvidia) were working on both the G92 and GT200. Chips usually take 2-3 years to design (possibly more for ground up designs), so it's important for a company to schedule multiple teams to multiple projects.

Also understand that the technology for 45nm has been around for about a year now, and guess what, graphics cards will be switching to that as soon as the companies have run their course on this current generation, so they can get you fan boys to buy the latest and greatest.

wrx

...so what?

IHV's moving to smaller process nodes to make more chips: Oh boy, what a surprise! :roll:

Proof of this is in software everywhere, there's an expantion pack for every single game out there, seperation of content to acquire more $$$.

wrx

Again, where is this magical link that you're only seeing?

How can you compare expansion packs of games to smaller process nodes of silicon manafacturing? :S

It's the same thing with cars, why do you think sports car manufacturers bottleneck certain performance areas of the vehicles, SIMPLE...so they leave themselves room to improve the next generation and get consumers back on the showroom floors.

wrx

:roll:

Absolutely rubbish. To avoid that kind of practise, we have competition in the market. :|

If one firm holds back, one or more firms in the industry will capitalise on the opportunity to market their products as superior.

Of course, if the firms in the market are colluding together, that's another issue completely (which has its own method of resolution).

lol , this is really funny! everybody (devs and us) didn't get to DX10 yet! no much DX10 games! so what's the deal? lol

-Gray_Fox-

It's important to plan for the future. :|

DX11 won't become mainstream for at least a good 2-3 years.

It's exactly the same as other DirectX versions.