Dont buy Evolve.... here is why

Its going to happen regardless... People can't stop buying DLC for any of the major AAA shooters out there.

DLC is just like expansion packs.

nope, it isnt. expansion packs usually have many many many times more content, and are content that is developed well after the game is actually finished.

When you answer questions that are asked of you instead of back pedaling like a coward, then we'll continue discussing other things.

mad guy is mad that nobody agrees with him.

I don't really care if you don't agree with me. Your opinion isn't something I value in the slightest. But if you're going to ignore the questions I ask of you just because you're too much of a coward to be shown to be wrong, well then you don't deserve to have discussions with me.

ooooo so mad. look at you stew. so saaaalty.

feels good man.

I bought the game months ago and I am very excited for it!

So sad, you can't even answer a simple question that is posed to you.

Just remember, cylon: People may agree with your views on Evolve and it's DLC, but they also all see how you're acting like a petulant child after being shown to be wrong.

Reverting back to the troll we all know you are isn't going to save you.

this is just getting good... keep going aishocker! you almost have us all believing that you arent mashing your cheesy fingers into your keyboard with white hot rage.

where is your proof aishocker? i dont see a 500 page thesis on all the research you did.

@cyloninside said:

@airshocker said:

@cyloninside said:

@airshocker said:

@cyloninside said:

mad guy is mad that nobody agrees with him.

I don't really care if you don't agree with me. Your opinion isn't something I value in the slightest. But if you're going to ignore the questions I ask of you just because you're too much of a coward to be shown to be wrong, well then you don't deserve to have discussions with me.

ooooo so mad. look at you stew. so saaaalty.

feels good man.

So sad, you can't even answer a simple question that is posed to you.

Just remember, cylon: People may agree with your views on Evolve and it's DLC, but they also all see how you're acting like a petulant child after being shown to be wrong.

Reverting back to the troll we all know you are isn't going to save you.

this is just getting good... keep going aishocker! you almost have us all believing that you arent mashing your cheesy fingers into your keyboard with white hot rage.

where is your proof aishocker? i dont see a 500 page thesis on all the research you did.

If my posts come off as anger to you then you really need to learn how to read. I've already told you once before: Nothing you say even slightly irks me.

What other proof is required? Notice how not a single soul on this forum is coming to your aid? There's a reason for that.

@airshocker said:

@cyloninside said:

@airshocker said:

@cyloninside said:

@airshocker said:

@cyloninside said:

mad guy is mad that nobody agrees with him.

I don't really care if you don't agree with me. Your opinion isn't something I value in the slightest. But if you're going to ignore the questions I ask of you just because you're too much of a coward to be shown to be wrong, well then you don't deserve to have discussions with me.

ooooo so mad. look at you stew. so saaaalty.

feels good man.

So sad, you can't even answer a simple question that is posed to you.

Just remember, cylon: People may agree with your views on Evolve and it's DLC, but they also all see how you're acting like a petulant child after being shown to be wrong.

Reverting back to the troll we all know you are isn't going to save you.

this is just getting good... keep going aishocker! you almost have us all believing that you arent mashing your cheesy fingers into your keyboard with white hot rage.

where is your proof aishocker? i dont see a 500 page thesis on all the research you did.

If my posts come off as anger to you then you really need to learn how to read. I've already told you once before: Nothing you say even slightly irks me.

What other proof is required? Notice how not a single soul on this forum is coming to your aid? There's a reason for that.

probably has more to do with people not wanting to get in the way of you showing off your small penis syndrome... i mean really, i find no other explanation for your ridiculous behavior.

"nobody is coming to your aid" lol... good one. Because you have a whole army behind you, right?

i only have a couple of pages agreeing with me that Evolve is shit for its slime ball DLC tactics.... that sure isnt ANYONE agreeing with me at all... nope.

keep trying airshocker. if you mashing your cheesy fingers for hours helps you with your anger management, by all means. ive got all night, big dog... and frankly i love making you so salty that you cant resist replying.

This ^^ is a good example why I don't frequent these forums near as much as I use to. A clear thought out discussion is an endangered idea.

DLC can in fact be the same as an expansion pack. (It is possible, and there are examples of this) Right now Grey Goo has DLC being developed for it. But it might as well be an expansion pack. Its rumored to have a whole new race, and probably a new campaign for that race. Not to mention new modes of play, new maps, and even new units for existing factions. That is basically an expansion pack. Although they refer to it as DLC. (as technically that is what it will be Down Loadable Content)

That being said most DLC is not the same as an expansion pack. As there are many many more examples of it being a nickle & dime practice. I could list them, but we all know several examples.

I want to get Evolve. It looks fun, Even have a RL friend that has played the beta/alpha and said it was really really fun... But that being said, I am very skeptical of the practices they are using. If the game is gonna be built for DLC, then have the game cost less. $60 for the base game, and $99 for everything is actually quite high with COD:AW (and it had a single player campaign, and co-op/exo modes, plus the MP) This game is just MP only. (with bot played matches for SP) Maybe I am wrong on that, If I am I am sure someone will correct me. But if I am not, asking that same price for that is honestly 2k is pushing their damn luck.

yeah well , after 2 years of fifa ultimate team, where ea is putting people against each other with very expensive players, I kinda had it with after purchase costs. These games simply don't enter the house anymore.

Thanks for warning me

Or, as a user below you just said, there's no discussion to be had with people like you.

I don't need an army behind me to deal with you. That's the difference between me and you.

Yeah, your reading comprehension is bad. You should go back and reread what it is I actually said. Just because some people may agree with your views on DLC and Evolve doesn't mean they support your shitty tactics of baiting, back pedaling, and hiding behind trolling.

I don't need to keep trying. You've already shown what kind of person you really are. I'm having a great time twisting the knife.

Most of the users on these boards are willing to have discussions with people. You just have a few people whose only goal is to troll.

I agree, DLC can definitely be just like an expansion pack, and I think it's clear when DLC is actually aiming to be that kind of content. Buying $2 DLC packs that give extra weapons or extra outfits (In games like Watch_Dogs and Sleeping_Dogs, for instance) isn't an expansion pack. But buying a $14.99 DLC that adds a brand new monster (in Evolve's case) can certainly be considered an expansion pack. A new Monster EXPANDS on the gameplay of Evolve. If that isn't the very definition of an Expansion pack, I don't know what is.

Your last paragraph really comes down to personal preference, doesn't it? If you prefer a game with a tacked on singleplayer that gets shorter every year, then CoD: AW is certainly the game for you. I would much rather a game with no SP that focuses on making the MP as fun as possible. I think that's exactly what Evolve did. I don't see the DLC as overbearing -- or a turn off -- because it will genuinely improve on the game. Instead of having to wait for an Evolve 2, this game will be supported for years to come. Having to buy extra monsters and hunters is the exact same thing to me as having to buy an expansion pack for EverQuest when I was younger.

I hope its just a few now, there were quite a bit on here last year when I left. I learned a lot from these forums, and shared a lot as well. Use to be a halfway decent community.

On the first paragraph, I am not sure as to how the DLC stuff will actually play out with Evolve. With Evolve I feel as if I am not understanding all of it, cause it seems to be a slightly different model with DLC. But I hope its all worth the value.

On the second paragraph, you make some valid points. IF Evolve does make an extraordinary MP experience, then even I will say that for the price a SP isn't needed, or the other modes for the price. That is a 50/50 chance as of now in my eyes. My girl, and I have a friend out of state that says it was really fun, and would give us someone (and him some people too) to play the game with. I hear from most people that its fun. I am not against DLC as long as I feel it is worth it. There is a small amount of preference, but sometimes the preference is so thrown out of the window. I personally feel that 4 maps for $15 on COD is too much, but they are including a new exo mode with it. And there is a season pass which further reduces the overall price of each one. But Is it just $15 for each monster in Evolve? if so I do find that a bit high priced. I know there is a monster edition, but what all does that really cover. If I pay $99, and still have to buy extra stuff right off the bat for the game, then it may be far too much to invest in a game (and type of game) that I haven't really experienced much at all.

I did go ALL in for COD:AW recently, first COD in a long time for me, and I feel as if it meets the value, mostly. Will know for sure once at least one map pack is released.

I also don't have a problem with a season pass, as long as the hype/promise/value is delivered in the end. Just as I have no problem backing products/ideas on Kickstarter. I just don't like being screwed over. As I feel most people feel the same. However, Season pass, (or mass DLC for that matter) is not something I want to see on every game. That would be too much. Hard to keep track of all the games coming out now, much less prioritizing them in the order you are interested in, if you have to damn near do a research paper on each one just to make sure you are doing it half-ass right.

@Lach0121: I found the Evolve graph that someone made that outlines what is currently available.

So right now the PC Monster Race edition which is $99 gives you everything: The season pass, the deluxe edition stuff, the base game, and the monster expansion pack, even if you don't preorder.

My issue with map packs is that it tends to split communities. I would rather pay for new Monsters and Hunters and have map packs and modes given to everyone for free.

@airshocker: Much appreciated!

One thing I did hear about Evolve was that they were giving all the maps out for free... Did they say that or, am I tripping? If its true then it won't split the community. Which is a good thing. Something I could support. This is something the Devs of COD/Battlefield could learn a thing, or two from.

But I also remember hearing something about how it will have more dlc than any game before, which begs the question how much (after launch) dlc does the season pass cover? Everything? Or would there be a season pass 2? rhetorical question, lol I am sure no one knows the answer to that except the devs/2k atm.

$99 for everything isn't that bad, if they can deliver on a great experience, and if it includes everything after launch too (and it has more dlc than any other game) then the value sky rockets from there. A game doesn't have to have SP for it to be worth the price. If it is just a fantastic game then that has its value right there.

It is a game that is different, from what I can tell, and I would like to see some new styles of games. (as well as some that have died make a come back YAY for RTS resurgence). Something worth the gamble in a way to invest in. However, seeing how a lot of devs/publishers from the past have done, I can see why so many are skeptical, and recoiling from Evolve. That, and I think some of the negativity is due to confusion.

I hope it does well cause I am (and have been) thinking of going all in for it.

I will be taking a gamble on The Division, so I might as well go for Evolve as well. I've been looking forward to both since announcements, and they both seem like types of games I always kinda wanted to play, but never really were made.

Yeah you aren't tripping. Maps and modes will be free.

I do believe the season pass covers all future DLC. The Steam page is kind of ambiguous, though. If it's a traditional season pass it will, if it isn't then we're going to have issues. I'm willing to bet it's going to be the former.

I'm also in your boat. I'm willing to gamble a little bit in order to get new types of games. Games like Dreadnought (from a newish developer) and Rainbow Six Siege (from Ubisoft) are two that I'm looking forward to. I tend to enjoy the frenetic, team vs team games that we see cropping up.

@airshocker: Oh I forgot about Rainbow Six Siege. I remember them cancelling "patriots" which I was actually looking forward to.

I Will have to check that out. I will give Dreadnought a looksy as well.

Yeah, Evolve was one of those games I was stoked hearing/seeing it the first time. Then was disheartened when I first read about all this DLC, but now after thinking about it... I think it would be worth it to take the gamble. Especially worth it if the Season Pass does in fact cover all future DLC, and there if there is a lot of it.

"twisting the knife"??? is that what the kids call it these days?

yeah, i want no part in your "twisting the knife" airshocker. that is something you can do all on your own, behind closed doors, with your katy perry pictures or whatever.

i will not be part of your sexual fantasies.

I was genuinely interested in Evolve until they said the DLC stuff. Nintendo is possibly the only company left that gives you a completely finished game first with stuff you can actually play through the game to unlock (not pay money to unlock) and then after the game is out for a while, they give Add-On DLC to an already completed game that is fairly priced.

This is the correct way to handle DLC

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@Lach0121: I found the Evolve graph that someone made that outlines what is currently available.

So right now the PC Monster Race edition which is $99 gives you everything: The season pass, the deluxe edition stuff, the base game, and the monster expansion pack, even if you don't preorder.

My issue with map packs is that it tends to split communities. I would rather pay for new Monsters and Hunters and have map packs and modes given to everyone for free.

From looking at this chart, tbh, it looks like all they did wrong was announce their DLC plan in advance. As it's been shown in the past couple of years, people are more than willing to pay for "season passes" for games without barely a single screenshot on the content they're pre-purchasing. If Evolve went that route instead then I'm sure no one would have raised an eyebrow.

Trolllololol. All day every day, amirite?

@bonafidetk said:

@airshocker said:

I found the Evolve graph that someone made that outlines what is currently available.

So right now the PC Monster Race edition which is $99 gives you everything: The season pass, the deluxe edition stuff, the base game, and the monster expansion pack, even if you don't preorder.

My issue with map packs is that it tends to split communities. I would rather pay for new Monsters and Hunters and have map packs and modes given to everyone for free.

From looking at this chart, tbh, it looks like all they did wrong was announce their DLC plan in advance. As it's been shown in the past couple of years, people are more than willing to pay for "season passes" for games without barely a single screenshot on the content they're pre-purchasing. If Evolve went that route instead then I'm sure no one would have raised an eyebrow.

I agree. I think people are letting the fact that they announced preorder bonuses before the game even had screenshots color their judgment on this game. Looking at the DLC on this graph it doesn't look unreasonable, or any different from any other game. In fact I think TRS deserves a little bit of credit for not having day one DLC.

just for assholes like you. you are a special class of fuckhead that deserves it.

You two still going at it? It's been like days lol.....

Thanks baby, I appreciate that.

sorry, cant back down from assholes... otherwise they think they got away with something and will continue. best way to counter airshocker is to just show that you are unphased by his bullshit.

@cyloninside: You must be new to the internet. Trolls get their jollies off having pointless forum arguments. The best (worst for them) thing you can do to them is ignore them.

If you're seriously suggesting I'm the troll here and not cyloninside you need to read over the exchange.

The only true asshole here is yourself, because you keep talking out of it. Of course I'm going to continue showing that you're wrong whenever I get a chance to. You can keep responding with your typical trolllololol nonsense but that doesn't change the fact that you're a coward who can't even back up his remarks when called on to do so. That makes you fake. And I'm more than happy to keep pointing that out.

No, I'm not. I'm holding people accountable for the words they type. If @cyloninside wants to call me a hypocrite without providing any proof as to my hypocrisy when I asked him to, I will hold him accountable for that.

I am not a fanboy or a shill. I simply don't see anything wrong with the DLC they have decided to sell.

That is your subjective opinion because not everybody believes the same way that you do.

Except none of the DLC is available day one. So no, they aren't trying to charge you twice for the same game by ripping pieces out of it. If you don't see value in 12 different hunters, three different monsters, 16 different maps and multiple modes, that's your prerogative. I think that's worth $60.

lol... oh my. airshocker is scared he just got found out.

Airshocker actually has been the most reasonable and level headed in the discussion, though I don't exactly agree with him. While I don't think they are doing something that crazy the game is too expensive in my view and I am not really interested. Cyloninside on the other hand sounds like a raging lunatic.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't actually see the nonsense you've been posting the past few pages. And if he still thinks I'm a troll, well just like with your opinion, his holds little to no value to me.

I can imagine the furor if the expansion packs of old contained, GASP, a whole new monster: "Coming soon, Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal, featuring a brand new monster. Oh, and be thankful were "growing" our game you entitled bastards!"

I guess we have the console generation to thank for setting the bar so incredibly these days.

You're comparing apples and oranges and you know it. For a game like Evolve, putting a new Monster in the game can certainly be considered an expansion pack.

Yes, I most certainly am comparing "apples to oranges" because I am comparing expansion packs to DLC.

They are not the same thing regardless of the game, genre, semantics, and/or sophistry. Quake 2 was a a multi-player focused game, too, and people would have burned ID to the ground if they had tried to release a single monster, character, or weapon and called it and "expansion pack."

DLC is essentially what expansion packs have evolved into. The reason why expansion packs were more comprehensive is there wasn't digital distribution so you couldn't release stuff as fast. Not that I completely disagree with you...the ability to offer content faster has also had some negative side effects, like over priced/piecemeal/etc DLC that doesn't offer much value.

I actually preferred "expansion pack" type content (ie more comprehensive), however, I think painting all DLC the same and pretending DLC can't be equivalent to expansion packs isn't true either. Take Borderlands 2 for instance, yes there was a lot of baloney DLC but stuff like Assualt on Dragon's Keep is an excellent, meaty addition that is fairly equivalent to what an expansion used to be.

All DLC really means is downloadable content, it's simply these days developers have faster channels to provide more/quicker content and consumers have more options in what they can buy for their games.

I personally don't buy DLC that is just $0.99 skins or stuff like that...but meaty additions that add tons of content? Sure, why not?

Airshocker- "AGREE WITH ME OR YOU DONT MATTER!"

sure sounds like troll logic to me.

All of the DLC for Borderlands 2 combined would probably equal the content of what a typical expansion pack once was.

I have bought DLC for one game, Fallout New Vegas, BUT (big but) I waited for them to come way down in price. As good and as "meaty" as those DLC packs were, they weren't worth $20 each, or, to put it another way, all 3 packs combined did not contain, for the same price ($60), the same amount of content as the original campaign. With that said, I would have gladly paid $30 (the standard expansion cost) to have all 3 bundled together as an expansion pack.

If these companies want to charge 1/3 the cost of their original game for DLC - it had better have 1/3 of the content, too. I simply don't see adding a single monster for $15 as being worth 1/4 the cost of the original game (assuming Evolve is $60). Seems greedy to me.

No, you're comparing two different types of games when there is no comparison. To a game like Evolve, a single monster is most certainly an expansion pack.

Sounds like pretty good logic to me since you are, in this case, wrong.

It's kind of the same thing with Holocaust deniers. Just because you degenerates may be backing each other up doesn't change the fact that you're both wrong.

I don't think that's the case honestly, and even if it were it was also priced far cheaper (like 3-4 times less) than typical expansion packs. Tiny Tina's was priced at $10 whereas most expansions back in the day were $30 or $40. That's a damn good value. I'd argue some DLC's are just as large traditional expansion packs. Fallout's, since you brought it up, were pretty damn big.

Boycott DLC. Buy games when they are complete.