DOW vs C&C 3 TW

So we got C&C 3 Tiberium Wars VS Dawn of War, two sci-fi RTS games facing offeach other. Which RTS do you like more? Vote now in the poll! I think TS or RA 2 is the best C&C game, I am a little disappointed with C&C 3, it missed some C&C aspects. Like crates, music, etc.

DOW meanwhile focuses on capturing strategic points, and is innovative.

Oh, come on, now. Starcraft vs. DoW was a fair fight, but this is just going to be pathetic. DoW is going to win this poll easily.

Well according to EALA, C&C 3 sold over 2 million copies. Too much for a medicore RTS game, don't you think so?

Ya, C&C 3 was more than medicore RTS game imho. They brought new things like the squad system, which is bad. C&C should be C&C, almost every RTS game now adays has squads, lame. gogators4life

Actually DoW brought squad system before C&C3. Im sure there were older games that did so, but too lazy right nwo to think/search for em.

Edit: You seem to be thinking of something different when you say "mediocre"

I don't mean to be rude or anything but why are the topics you make always "RTS" vs DoW.

DoW is not the best RTS.

Well, I like it alright based on the demo, and I do plan to get it. I like DoW more, but C&C3 was still fun for me. But many people were let down by it. I think most of the bashing it gets is more from the fact that it didn't live up to its hype or its Command & Conquer name to many people than from it just being a mediocre or bad RTS.

Still, even with that said, it's not nearly on the level of popularity that DoW is. Think about it, DoW beat Starcraft (if only by a little), a very popular RTS itself, in the last poll you did. Now, put the DoW series up against the C&C series as a whole, and the results of that poll might be a little different.

DOW is not the best RTS game, but it most certainly is one of the best RTS games ever created. And WC 3 or SC is the best RTS game IMHO.

I define medicore by what the game has to offer and quality of it.

Well, I like it alright based on the demo, and I do plan to get it. I like DoW more, but C&C3 was still fun for me. But many people were let down by it. I think most of the bashing it gets is more from the fact that it didn't live up to its hype or its Command & Conquer name to many people than from it just being a mediocre or bad RTS.

Still, even with that said, it's not nearly on the level of popularity that DoW is. Think about it, DoW beat Starcraft (if only by a little), a very popular RTS itself, in the last poll you did. Now, put the DoW series up against the C&C series as a whole, and the results of that poll might be a little different.

JP_Russell

Im pretty sure the only reason DoW won the poll VS Starcraft was because it was released a good 8 years after, and there are more PC gamers now because of the eye candy, and many of the new pc gamers have not tried SC. I see so many people on these forums saying "How can you like Starcraft, it looks like crap." "Omg, SC graphics suck."

For a poll to have a true result it would have to be 2 games released near each other.

Dow would get owned when SC2 comes out and u made a "DoW Vs SC2" poll. lol

DOW is not the best RTS game, but it most certainly is one of the best RTS games ever created. And WC 3 or SC is the best RTS game IMHO.

I define medicore by what the game has to offer and quality of it.

gogators4life

1) Its EA, EA advertizes its games well, so no wonder C&C3 sold well 2) Its a C&C game, I bought it for the story and continuation of C&C universe, as might many of the '2 million' copies sold

And by my comment about mediocrety, C&C 3 is mediocre. It has all the RTS elements and some tweaks but nothing revolutionary. a Good RTS is WC3, SC etc. You on the other hand, seem to think mediocre means sucky

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DOW is not the best RTS game, but it most certainly is one of the best RTS games ever created. And WC 3 or SC is the best RTS game IMHO.

I define medicore by what the game has to offer and quality of it.

Begemott

And by my comment about mediocrety, C&C 3 is mediocre. It has all the RTS elements and some tweaks but nothing revolutionary. a Good RTS is WC3, SC etc. You on the other hand, seem to think mediocre means sucky

No, I don't think C&C 3 is a crap game, I think it's medicore, as in average.

Im pretty sure the only reason DoW won the poll VS Starcraft was because it was released a good 8 years after

I'm not. Starcraft still has a very large following, and its age doesn't significantly hinder it for anyone I've seen.

and there are more PC gamers now because of the eye candy, and many of the new pc gamers have not tried SC.

I highly doubt this. Starcraft has such a calling that almost any dilligent RTS player will have gone out and bought Starcraft due to its popularity. Heck, I bought it several years after it came out just because of how much I'd heard about it, and I'm not even a major RTS gamer, FPS games are my calling.

I see so many people on these forums saying "How can you like Starcraft, it looks like crap." "Omg, SC graphics suck."

I don't. I hear people say it's graphics were sub-par even when it was released occasionally (which is true), but I never see someone say stupidly that the graphics suck (it's ten years old, so of course they suck today), and especially not "so many people."

For a poll to have a true result it would have to be 2 games released near each other.

I disagree. I think a true result can't be reached in most cases if one of the game series in question just had a game released, which DoW hasn't, it's only had expansion packs and many people are of the mind that its formula is aging.

Dow would get owned when SC2 comes out and u made a "DoW Vs SC2" poll. lol

Of course it would. People always hype a series up when it has a new game come out (provided it's not a poor addition in the minds of many, like Tiberium Wars). When DoW2 comes out, then the polls will be back to being neck-and-neck, or even in favor of DoW (well, unless Relic does poorly, which I doubt).

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DOW is not the best RTS game, but it most certainly is one of the best RTS games ever created. And WC 3 or SC is the best RTS game IMHO.

I define medicore by what the game has to offer and quality of it.

Begemott

1) Its EA, EA advertizes its games well, so no wonder C&C3 sold well 2) Its a C&C game, I bought it for the story and continuation of C&C universe, as might many of the '2 million' copies sold

And by my comment about mediocrety, C&C 3 is mediocre. It has all the RTS elements and some tweaks but nothing revolutionary. a Good RTS is WC3, SC etc. You on the other hand, seem to think mediocre means sucky

I agree with your assessment of why C&C3 sold well.

The problem with the word mediocre is that there are kind of two different mediocres. There's the bland type of mediocre, like Gamespot's 5/10. This mediocre means there's nothing remarkable or of interest about the game, and most serious gamers wouldn't be able to find enjoyment in it. Then there's the average, or rather, "averagely good" kind of mediocre, a 7/10. That's the kind you're talking about.

[QUOTE="Begemott"][QUOTE="gogators4life"]

DOW is not the best RTS game, but it most certainly is one of the best RTS games ever created. And WC 3 or SC is the best RTS game IMHO.

I define medicore by what the game has to offer and quality of it.

gogators4life

And by my comment about mediocrety, C&C 3 is mediocre. It has all the RTS elements and some tweaks but nothing revolutionary. a Good RTS is WC3, SC etc. You on the other hand, seem to think mediocre means sucky

No, I don't think C&C 3 is a crap game, I think it's medicore, as in average.

If you don't think its a crap game why'd you give it a 1/10 rating? :S

BTW whats so innovative about DoW?

Well according to EALA, C&C 3 sold over 2 million copies. Too much for a medicore RTS game, don't you think so?

gogators4life

that actually kinda shows how many C&C fans there are, my friend didn't care about the gameplay, cuz he just thought "I can't just not know what happens, I gotta get C&C" So he bought it with no hesitation.

He still likes DoW more. I do too.

DoW gets my vote again.

Did you play DOW before? It's the first RTS to have stategic points, and it doesn't revolve around collecting resources. :D

And I don't really give a damn aboutGS rating system, but don't get me wrong, Starcraft is a great game. Last month, I got WC 3, which is really, really good. :)

whats so innovative about DoW?

very little a decent overwatch system and reinforcing and the resource model, its still a great game though but has even less tactical options than command and conquer 3, ok so its got hero units so you can activate various specials and spells but the maps are so small and pathfinding pretty poor that when an army is being manouvered its just a big mess and the game degenerates into mob combat with very little control beyond either drag select everything to attack specific unit , or hit group keys and do the same.

The other strategies open to a player consisted of rushing and stealthing in a unit to use orbital drops/teleport, at least with CC3 theres directional damage, reverse movement,enginner rushing and a better singleplayer campaign.

Still DoW has more variety in factions and races and I prefer the setting but it just seems strange for DoW to be held up as a paragon of strategy gaming.

whats so innovative about DoW?

very little a decent overwatch system and reinforcing and the resource model, its still a great game though but has even less tactical options than command and conquer 3, ok so its got hero units so you can activate various specials and spells but the maps are so small and pathfinding pretty poor that when an army is being manouvered its just a big mess and the game degenerates into mob combat with very little control beyond either drag select everything to attack specific unit , or hit group keys and do the same.

The other strategies open to a player consisted of rushing and stealthing in a unit to use orbital drops/teleport, at least with CC3 theres directional damage, reverse movement,enginner rushing and a better singleplayer campaign.

Still DoW has more variety in factions and races and I prefer the setting but it just seems strange for DoW to be held up as a paragon of strategy gaming.

master_blue

I agree with the pathfinding its a nightmare with the Imperial guard, besides that I enjoy it alot.

Squiggoth could own all of that. It could take out 2 lemans russ and a baneblade. gogators4life

Yeah, especially when its your playing on the campaign and its on easy, well I think I'm goin to sleep now, its 4.00am here in Singapore.

[QUOTE="gogators4life"]Squiggoth could own all of that. It could take out 2 lemans russ and a baneblade. Iron_will

Yeah, especially when its your playing on the campaign and its on easy, well I think I'm goin to sleep now, its 4.00am here in Singapore.

No seriuosly, Squiggoth can own Baneblade. :)

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[QUOTE="gogators4life"]Squiggoth could own all of that. It could take out 2 lemans russ and a baneblade. gogators4life

Yeah, especially when its your playing on the campaign and its on easy, well I think I'm goin to sleep now, its 4.00am here in Singapore.

No seriuosly, Squiggoth can own Baneblade. :)

A lot of relic units can own the Baneblade, especially melee ones. The Baneblade isn't a focus-firing powerhouse. It's meant to be able to fire on several targets at once while dealing considerable damage to each. It also relies on long range to be at full strength since its demolisher cannon and battle cannon have a minimum range, so a melee attacker won't even get the full force of its focus-firing. It's not a one-on-one monster, which is a good thing from a balance perspective.

As for the Squiggoth, it pales in comparison to the Kauyon Knarloc, Avatar, and Bloodthirster for its durability and damage output. One on one against any of them, and it loses pretty easily. Its main advantages are its ability to come back from a retreat at full or higher strength thanks to being repairable, its Zzzap Gun, and its ability totransport units.

While i do like both games. CNC 3 has by far been the superiour game FOR ME! i just like the CNC universe and the units gameplay how the game feels etc just appeals more to me. And i have had a blast playing it online. While cnc 3 might not be a 9.0 game i think its 8-8.5 a very good game indeed.

Also i should be noted that i got DoW with Company of heroes as an extra bonus packed with CoH. And while CoH was by far a superior game imo,I did not play DoW that much really.

Strategic points are basically gold mines that you don't need to mine for minerals lol
TotalX5

I'll try and sum up all your arguements here:

1) Dawn of War is based off Warhammer 40k which has a HUGE following as a tabletop game and thus, lots of people would like having a video game version

2) Lots of carnage which was a good bonus

3) The squad system and cover made it innovative and appealing as a new type of RTS not to mention the morale bonus.

4) The strategic points defeated the purpose of turtling, a strategy which was hard to beat without having to go and rearrange for siege which by then would get you attacked by a mass of air units.

5) The game is just fun to play in general, it isn't about eye-candy anymore since lots more games can surpass (hell, C&C3 has lots better graphics)

The Squiggy is the most usless relic unit in the game >_>

Being bigger doesn't mean its better it just means its going to be a pathfinding nightmare T_T

The Squiggy is the most usless relic unit in the game >_>

Being bigger doesn't mean its better it just means its going to be a pathfinding nightmare T_T

The Squiggy is the most usless relic unit in the game >_>

Being bigger doesn't mean its better it just means its going to be a pathfinding nightmare T_T

sol_blade22

Squiggy can own every relic unit except for Knarloc.

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The Squiggy is the most usless relic unit in the game >_>

Being bigger doesn't mean its better it just means its going to be a pathfinding nightmare T_T

gogators4life

Squiggy can own every relic unit except for Knarloc.

Knarloc? its feet stomp is practically useles, the squiggy's stomp is just epic! And especially that cool charge ability. I consider the Knarloc week compared to the Squiggy.

[QUOTE="gogators4life"][QUOTE="sol_blade22"]

The Squiggy is the most usless relic unit in the game >_>

Being bigger doesn't mean its better it just means its going to be a pathfinding nightmare T_T

Iron_will

Squiggy can own every relic unit except for Knarloc.

Knarloc? its feet stomp is practically useles, the squiggy's stomp is just epic! And especially that cool charge ability. I consider the Knarloc week compared to the Squiggy.

Knarloc owns Squiggy, here's proof,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1X6R-r_d00