Elder Scrolls Online will not have raids...

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Great, a huge world with the depth of a pond just like oblivion and skyrim

KHAndAnime

What Eve Online has doesn't just happen overnight and is not extremely marketable nor will work for every game.

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Raid can be a lot of fun if you don't live for them. They give people something to do after they hit max.

Again I'm all for no raids but they have to bring something else to the table or just like GW2, there will be no reason to keep playing and no reason to bother lvling up to max at all.

FelipeInside

I know what you mean, on SWTOR, I have a RL friend, who only cared about pvping, and getting to max level so he can get the "omg z most awesome legendary gear" routine.

It was rather depressing. 

It was literally a nightmare trying to organize even a 4 person party for story questing...  (with rl friends, because of that)

As far as the Elder Scrolls Online, I am not too excited about it. But when it comes out, and it happens to be great, well then I will be suprised. 

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Great, a huge world with the depth of a pond just like oblivion and skyrim

Maroxad

And raiding has the depth of a puddle, unless your definition of depth is Guitar Hero with fireballs and gimmicks.

When I think of deep mmo gameplay I think of games like EVE Online.

Either way it doesn't nullify my statements

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"]EVERY game does raids. Let me make a attemt find something new. KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Awesome. Large raids suck and have always been a relatively stupid concept - and in this case they would be a particularly stupid one.Justforvisit

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]So what will they put in place to entice PvE gamers to continue playing after a few months or so?FelipeInside

There hasn't been a successful PvP focused mmo since DoACMBirdy88

What?

EVE Online is a PvP focused mmo and that is pretty much the only mmo that is actually growing in subscription numbers.

MMOs have never needed raids, and ultimately this Zergy PvP has more depth than facerolling rotations, playing whac-a-mole with healthbars and paying heed to scripted boss mechanics.

 This Zergy PvP as you call it is nowhere near as zergy as you think if you play the PvP portion effectively. Zergs will always be destroyed by organized groups, even in a shallow game like GW2.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="way2funny"]

Great, a huge world with the depth of a pond just like oblivion and skyrim

Wasdie

What Eve Online has doesn't just happen overnight and is not extremely marketable nor will work for every game.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]There hasn't been a successful PvP focused mmo since DoACMaroxad

What?

EVE Online is a PvP focused mmo and that is pretty much the only mmo that is actually growing in subscription numbers.

MMOs have never needed raids, and ultimately this Zergy PvP has more depth than facerolling rotations, playing whac-a-mole with healthbars and paying heed to scripted boss mechanics.

 This Zergy PvP as you call it is nowhere near as zergy as you think if you play the PvP portion effectively. Zergs will always be destroyed by organized groups, even in a shallow game like GW2.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]There hasn't been a successful PvP focused mmo since DoACMBirdy88

What?

EVE Online is a PvP focused mmo and that is pretty much the only mmo that is actually growing in subscription numbers.

MMOs have never needed raids, and ultimately this Zergy PvP has more depth than facerolling rotations, playing whac-a-mole with healthbars and paying heed to scripted boss mechanics.

 This Zergy PvP as you call it is nowhere near as zergy as you think if you play the PvP portion effectively. Zergs will always be destroyed by organized groups, even in a shallow game like GW2.

The PvP elements are what makes the sandbox aspect as good as it is.

Also, MMOs do excel at something, and that is being a virtual world.

As for raiding, yes, it is a huge appeal to a lot of people, but not many can compete with Blizzard in quallity raids. I would rather have an mmo do SOMETHING well than trying to do a lot of stuff and fail miserably at every aspect. And not every game needs to be about raiding, PvP on a large scale is viable endgame too. It may not reach the popularity of WoW, but why even bother trying to ape WoW, it just wont happen.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="k2theswiss"]EVERY game does raids. Let me make a attemt find something new. MBirdy88

Guild Wars 1 (the original gw, not gw2) had quite good pvp. Balanced.... eh, maybe not as balanced as some would like, but there were certainly tons of builds that were viable. Meta game typically had several team builds all with variants, and good guilds often strayed from well known meta builds (but then those builds became meta :/) to suit their playstyle. It well paced, varied, fun, competitive, and had depth/skill involved.