Fallout 3 : Hype or Hope

Do you think that Fallout 3 will live up to all of the hype and end up as game of the year or do you think that it will crash and burn?

Coming out of E3 2008 the opinion seems to be of Hope, but in the past some titles have turned out to be little more than Hype.

What is your opinion?

the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Artosa

the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Artosa

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

The game will be utter **** but just like Oblivion it will get AAA. And every consolite will say that it's better than Fallout 1 & 2 (even though they haven't played them) because it got a higher score.

I really hope it flops HARD. But that seems unlikely, since it has too much "OMG TEH SLOW MOTION HEADSHAWT BLOOD RAGDOLL GORE OLOLOL!!1 ^_^" that 14-year-old ADHD Halo kids seem to love.

Do you think that Fallout 3 will live up to all of the hype and end up as game of the year or do you think that it will crash and burn?

psychot1c

I haven't really seen many people hyped about Fallout 3, most people say that it will fail completely (only end up becoming a good game for Oblivion fans). I've never played Oblivion, so I just hope for the best, but expects the worst

I really, really hope it'll be great, despite some of things that I don't like from the videos. (stiff animation, I dunno if VATS'll work well.)

Please, Bethesda please.

I'm a guardedly optimistic. Ultimately I think it all rests on factors that cant really be conveyed without actually spending time in game. From what I've seen I think they might manage to create the sense of open ended 'play as you like, explore as you like, go through the game as you like' feel that (for me) was the big draw of Fallout 1 and 2.

I do agree with Johnny_Rock that there seem to be a lot of old Fallout fans that have decided to hate fallout 3 regardless of the fact that they haven't tried it yet /shrug, their loss.

the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Artosa

This is such a huge copout, especially when no one has even played the game.

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[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.vash47

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

[QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

But I've read you CAN have turn based game play, maybe only on the PC version but I remember them talking about it.

I keep forgetting there are people out there that just wont like anything Bioware puts out if it has anything to do with an older series they loved. Need to ignore these people.

Just like PC gamer magazine...I'm full on supporting fallout 3, if anyone reads of listens to the podcast, pc gamer points out all the goodies of fallout 3 and from what I hear..It's gonna be amazing! It follows the fallout feel and amosphere and humour. Even though the gameplay has been changed up, there's nothing wrong with that...It looks great and fun regardless if you've ever played oblivion. Plus, it's a fallout game...and the fallout universe is one of the best, I'm tired of people flaming this game and saying it's a disapointment and saying it's gonna suck because only like a couple people have played it so far (Including Dan Stapleton from pc gamer magazine) and fallout 3 has been nothing but positive things. fallout 3 looks great, keeps the same fallout atmosphere and feel and humour, Bethesda is doing a fine job with fallout 3 and I know this is going to be an easy contestant for GOTY.-Origin-

There was a hands-on preview that was very negative. I don't know have the link for it, but it was on GameSpot PC forum a while ago. Negative previews are pretty rare (most previews being positive, for obvious reasons). People who are overly enthusiastic about this game are just as tiring to listen to as people who are overly negative; if you don't like people panning on the game, then don't read their posts.

[QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

I have no idea where you get this idea that Fallout fans' biggest problem with this coming game is the combat? It never is the concern; it's mostly about the watered down Role playing of the original games. Like the dev. of Fallout 3 decide that they want to get the coices-consequences thing out of Fallout (something like you can kill a whole village of kittens and poeple will not notice your evil deeds and you can take ALL quests, including those of good alignment, later on). Most fallout communities online care about this kind of de-RPG of Beth, not the combat.

I have no idea where you get this idea that Fallout fans' biggest problem with this coming game is the combat? It never is the concern; it's mostly about the watered down Role playing of the original games. Like the dev. of Fallout 3 decide that they want to get the coices-consequences thing out of Fallout (something like you can kill a whole village of kittens and poeple will not notice your evil deeds and you can take ALL quests, including those of good alignment, later on). Most fallout communities online care about this kind of de-RPG of Beth, not the combat.

teardropmina

I wish more people would explain themselves, this seems like a valid argument to me. But there's nothing anyone can do about it but find another game, because Bioware is on a very high level of visibility with this game compared to the original devs of Fallout 1 and 2. If they include child killling in the game, and there's no punishment for it, they'd get sued very badly ... probably get an AO rating to boot.

[QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

You've read the interviews. Cool. You've played Oblivioin. Great. Let me ask you, have you ever played Fallout?

Fallout fans don'tcare about turn based combat going. Fallout fans don'tcare about the isometric camera going. Fallout fans care about being able to build a unique and personalised character, and then being able to play that character. Because that doesn't appear to be in Oblivion 2.

Fallout is a game where content opens up and closes off depending on your actions and on your character. Fallout is a game where many quests can be completed in multiple ways. Fallout is a game where you can play the game five times and have a completely different experience each time.

Oblivion 2 is a game where none of the above applies. Bethesda is against locking out content. Bethesda is against building personalised experiences. Bethesda is against unique characters that can play the game in unique ways. In other words, Bethesda is against roleplaying in their roleplaying games. There's a reputation system in the game, for example. It was in Fallout as well. If people hated you, they wouldn't talk to you. Hell, they might even attack you. In Oblivion 2, based on what I've read, your reputation means absolutely nothing. They might hate you, but they won't act like it. In fact, from what I've read, the only think karma affects is which buddies will roll with you.

Oblivion 2 might end up being an amazing game, but it is not a game for Fallout fans. It's a game for Oblivion fans. It's RPG lite meets shooter lite. From what I've seen and read, the only roleplaying in Oblivion 2 will be deciding whether to use your shotgun, your sniper rifle or your rocket launcher.

the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Artosa

agree

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

and some ppl like cl@ssic ways of gaming , and that's their own opinion,

anyway, I think it will be a disappointment for fans of the series,just like TES, everybody who played Morrowind hated Oblivion, most of the others liked it.

I think Fallout 3 looks like crap. Probably has something to do with the dated graphics, bad animation, Oblivion-like mechanics, and seemingly boring gameplay. What's even worse is that if it gets amazing reviews, chances are I still won't like it (for the same reasons as Oblivion) and I'll never know until I try it. GodLovesDead

I'm not going to form an opinion untill releash and played but i will say that its shaping up to be good lets hope it is i havn't play the previous but those fallout fans who think it will be **** becuase its different from the last state shut up wait for for release play before saying its crap ok.

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Johnny_Rock

Change is only good when they're improving things. Bethesda's motto right now seems to be "simplify the roleplaying and general gameplay depth, improve the graphics and combat to attract casuals".
...and yeah, our standards are stuck in 1999 because that was pretty much the peak of the genre. It's all gone downhill since then.

If it was called anything else, then I really wouldn't care less about this game, since I thought that Oblivion was a terrible RPG. Unfortunately, it's called Fallout 3, and that's preventing more capable companies from producing a faithful sequel to one of the best RPG franchises ever.

So...heh, F3 will get fantastic reviews, and sell really well. It'll probably be a better RPG than Oblivion (but that isn't saying much). Will it be a "great RPG"? I don't know - probably not.

I'm not going to form an opinion untill releash and played but i will say that its shaping up to be good lets hope it is i havn't play the previous but those fallout fans who think it will be **** becuase its different from the last state shut up wait for for release play before saying its crap ok.

Poshkidney

It's Bethesda making a Fallout game. Fallout fans aren't allowed to critisize it? You shouldn't really be talking, not having played the previous Fallout games. Sure, you'll probably like the game quite a bit, and because you haven't experienced what's (true) Fallout, you won't be disappointed either.

[QUOTE="Poshkidney"]

I'm not going to form an opinion untill releash and played but i will say that its shaping up to be good lets hope it is i havn't play the previous but those fallout fans who think it will be **** becuase its different from the last state shut up wait for for release play before saying its crap ok.

Vfanek

It's Bethesda making a Fallout game. Fallout fans aren't allowed to critisize it? You shouldn't really be talking, not having played the previous Fallout games. Sure, you'll probably like the game quite a bit, and because you haven't experienced what's (true) Fallout, you won't be disappointed either.

What is true fallout what is it is the true fallout the same game over and over again never going forward staying the same.

Why do fans of games want the same thing and never want something better staying the same you can still get a lovable game and yet not confined to that same old formula. If fallout 3 was like its older siberlings i don't thnik it would be less of what true fallout is an RPG set in post nuclear nightmare with gore, a sick sense of humour and willing to improve on elements that the previous games missed one and one was the gameplay needed a new face something to bring it in to this era of gaming and that is how game series should be not the same thing every time becuase its a safe bett no thats less of a safe bett than doing something new becuase by doing the same thing every time you will not learn anything at all and that is an unsafe bett.

The game is a FPS.

The usage of the name "Fallout" is an excellent commercial tactic to expand sales.

Wake up.

[QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

That's stupid, turn-based gameplay is much more tactical than RT one.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.vash47

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

That's stupid, turn-based gameplay is much more tactical than RT one.

No its not it is no tactical than Real Time in real time the battle is always changing making you think faster take more risks in real combat in the real world you don't get chance to pause the fighting to consider your options.

In real time you can make battles more intense making you think more and faster to get a resolution and also its more fun.

[QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Poshkidney"]

I'm not going to form an opinion untill releash and played but i will say that its shaping up to be good lets hope it is i havn't play the previous but those fallout fans who think it will be **** becuase its different from the last state shut up wait for for release play before saying its crap ok.

Poshkidney

It's Bethesda making a Fallout game. Fallout fans aren't allowed to critisize it? You shouldn't really be talking, not having played the previous Fallout games. Sure, you'll probably like the game quite a bit, and because you haven't experienced what's (true) Fallout, you won't be disappointed either.

What is true fallout what is it is the true fallout the same game over and over again never going forward staying the same.

Why do fans of games want the same thing and never want something better staying the same you can still get a lovable game and yet not confined to that same old formula. If fallout 3 was like its older siberlings i don't thnik it would be less of what true fallout is an RPG set in post nuclear nightmare with gore, a sick sense of humour and willing to improve on elements that the previous games missed one and one was the gameplay needed a new face something to bring it in to this era of gaming and that is how game series should be not the same thing every time becuase its a safe bett no thats less of a safe bett than doing something new becuase by doing the same thing every time you will not learn anything at all and that is an unsafe bett.

Adding elements that do not fit the setting, changing the SPECIAL system, altering existing factions, removing turn based gameplay, changing other mechanics, adding massive amounts of hand holding, removing the trademark humor, emphasising action ahead of roleplaying, removing meaningful choices and consequences is not a good thing.

for me, there's no hype. i just want to see if they can actually make this game work

[QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="vash47"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]the game will be a dissapointment for true fallout fans.Poshkidney

Yeah, I'm finding out that "true" Fallout fans are still living in 1999 and are completely immune to change. Pathetic but true.

Ugh, people like you just don't get it, have you seen the interview, the latest details from the developers themselves, it's gonna be the same crap as Oblivion.

Ugh, I have read them, and just because it will be like Oblivion does not mean it will be bad. Turned based gameplay = past.

That's stupid, turn-based gameplay is much more tactical than RT one.

No its not it is no tactical than Real Time in real time the battle is always changing making you think faster take more risks in real combat in the real world you don't get chance to pause the fighting to consider your options.

In real time you can make battles more intense making you think more and faster to get a resolution and also its more fun.

It's a game...

It will probally be pretty awesome. Will it make pruists happy? No.

But, frankly who the hell cares, I'd much perfer them make a solid game, then bow down the the minority of "purists" and make it the way they want it.

You "true fall out fans" just need to chill out, and allow change, and stop being haters, because you think its cool or somehow makes you better than other fallout fans, because you're a purist monkey. Come off it.

[QUOTE="Poshkidney"][QUOTE="Vfanek"][QUOTE="Poshkidney"]

I'm not going to form an opinion untill releash and played but i will say that its shaping up to be good lets hope it is i havn't play the previous but those fallout fans who think it will be **** becuase its different from the last state shut up wait for for release play before saying its crap ok.

RobbieH1234

It's Bethesda making a Fallout game. Fallout fans aren't allowed to critisize it? You shouldn't really be talking, not having played the previous Fallout games. Sure, you'll probably like the game quite a bit, and because you haven't experienced what's (true) Fallout, you won't be disappointed either.

What is true fallout what is it is the true fallout the same game over and over again never going forward staying the same.

Why do fans of games want the same thing and never want something better staying the same you can still get a lovable game and yet not confined to that same old formula. If fallout 3 was like its older siberlings i don't thnik it would be less of what true fallout is an RPG set in post nuclear nightmare with gore, a sick sense of humour and willing to improve on elements that the previous games missed one and one was the gameplay needed a new face something to bring it in to this era of gaming and that is how game series should be not the same thing every time becuase its a safe bett no thats less of a safe bett than doing something new becuase by doing the same thing every time you will not learn anything at all and that is an unsafe bett.

Adding elements that do not fit the setting, changing the SPECIAL system, altering existing factions, removing turn based gameplay, changing other mechanics, adding massive amounts of hand holding, removing the trademark humor, emphasising action ahead of roleplaying, removing meaningful choices and consequences is not a good thing.

Fine them be that way but you if your doing that you cannot upgrade your computer or buy the new line of consoles becuase they all need improvemnt if they did what you want we would still be using MS DOS and playing games that wouldn't look as nice or be allowed to go new places and experiment with thing they couldn't back then to wouldn't get your third fallout fix ingrates.

Fallout 3 will still be an RPG it will still have what made the previous games good its you and a lot of other people not wanting change not wanting a step forward just wanting to stay in the same place.

Ok there is some action in it that's why its an action RPG did you not know of that type of role playing game does every one here think RPG can't have action in no they have to be turn based and slow as a small amount of action might give us all heart attacks from the amount of excitement.

You lot get used it becuase i'm pretty sure a lot of older games will come back and won't be like they used to be as they have had to evolve to modern times so stop moaning you might like it.

Fallout 3 will still be an RPG it will still have what made the previous games good its you and a lot of other people not wanting change not wanting a step forward just wanting to stay in the same place.

Poshkidney

[QUOTE="Poshkidney"]

Fallout 3 will still be an RPG it will still have what made the previous games good its you and a lot of other people not wanting change not wanting a step forward just wanting to stay in the same place.

RobbieH1234

Prove him wrong.

See wut I did thur?

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"][QUOTE="Poshkidney"]

Fallout 3 will still be an RPG it will still have what made the previous games good its you and a lot of other people not wanting change not wanting a step forward just wanting to stay in the same place.

p1st0la

Prove him wrong.

See wut I did thur?

"For example, a city called Megaton was built around a crater where a nuclear bomb fell but never detonated." Link
"At one point we set one of the exploding nuclear cars on fire and then hopped into a portable nuclear shelter (which costs a quarter to use and looks like a phone booth) to avoid the blast."Link
"Pulling the Fat Man from our shoulder pack, we launched several explosives roughly the size of footballs at the feet of the behemoth, making light work of the creature – it only took 5 nukes."Link
"We came across a Behemoth Super Mutant - one of the game's bosses - that could only be taken down easily with this device. The small nuclear explosions are fantastic, and those worried about balance will be relieved to know that it took several of them to bring him down."Link
"Feral ghouls are extremely swift and vicious and come leaping at you with tremendous speed."Link
"but there were also Glowing Ghouls who have fully absorbed the radioactivity and effectively heal their brethren by a radioactive burst of curative fluids."Link
Zapping the player with radiation attack. Link
"eventually make your character extremely ill if you let them zap you with their radiation-based attacks."Link
"Poor INT will NOT affect your dialogue choices."Link
"Most of the weapons and armors (even power armor and turbo plasma) can be found by in early parts of the game, but they have their disadvantages"Link
"The Pip-Boy has a radar on which the opponents are visible. Its range depends on the player's perception." Link
"The only time we really level stuff to your character is when we lock you in an area you can't leave, we don't want the enemies you're fighting to be grossly out of proportion to your character because you can't leave."Link
Flaming sword: Link
Suck-o-tron: Link
Toaster weapon: Link
Bobble heads increase stats: Link
Nerfed combat & less consequences: Link
No xp from sneaking, have to kill them: Link
"You laugh your ass off when you see a mutant's leg get blown off. It never gets old - it hasn't yet." Link
"The dark humor of talking to an old lady who's really nice to you, and then blow her head off, put her head on a counter, and pretend to talk to her...there's a certain charm to that." Link
"Had they not been identified as the Brotherhood of Steel (multiple times), I would not for the life of me have guessed who they were. They are described as "noble knights of the wasteland" setting out to beat the supermutants while swearing and behaving like average US soldier clichés."Link
"They're worried whether the VATS slo-mo is practical with the multitude of fights in FO3. 10 seconds of non-interactive cutscene during every shot?" Link
Town level cap: Link

Now, those points (with links) highlight the elements which do not belong in a Fallout game. I wrote that before the fan interview which confirmed the hand holding of the quest compass, how combat was nerfed to be more shootery, only 13 skills, perks being merged with traits, the teddy bear dismemberment, the toning down of all the themes, how the karma system affects nothing, how all the quests are independant of eachother, fast travelling, killing 3 super mutants at level 3 with a baseball bat and the removal of meaningful consequences to your choices.

RobbieH1234

His turn.