First 9800GTX Benchmarks!!! - Nearly GX2 performance for Half the Price!!!!!

Wow, just wow. I feel sorry for all the kids who got a GX2...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1356/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

At $300, it hangs with a GX2 in games like CRYSIS, WIC, Half-life 2, and even Unreal Tournament 3... :shock:

Wow, just wow. I feel sorry for all the kids who got a GX2...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1356/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

At $300, it hangs with a GX2 in games like CRYSIS, WIC, Half-life 2, and even Unreal Tournament 3... :shock:

dgsag

I'd be real suprised if this card is 300$.

Impressive, although I wish they had included the 8800GTS in the benches. If this does launch around $300, it's going to be an awesome card. I was close to buying the GTS, but this looks to be pretty sweet. Now to go check the number of 6-pin connecters I've got...Fignewton50

Wow, just wow. I feel sorry for all the kids who got a GX2...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1356/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

At $300, it hangs with a GX2 in games like CRYSIS, WIC, Half-life 2, and even Unreal Tournament 3... :shock:

dgsag

And oh wait there is a bench of HL2 with 8xAA at 19x12 and just see how thouroughly the GX2 destroys the GTX.With no AA they were pretty much level at 19x12.That's how much AA can affect.;)

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

Wow, just wow. I feel sorry for all the kids who got a GX2...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1356/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

At $300, it hangs with a GX2 in games like CRYSIS, WIC, Half-life 2, and even Unreal Tournament 3... :shock:

Musacircuit_2

And oh wait there is a bench of HL2 with 8xAA at 19x12 and just see how thouroughly the GX2 destroys the GTX.With no AA they were pretty much level at 19x12.That's how much AA can affect.;)

True, but who is going to spend at least $200 more just to get 8XAA versus 4XAA? I just don't see how the 9800GX2 is a viable product right now.

Pay attention to this.

"Going from no AA to 8xAA in HL2 at 19x12 the GX2 suffers a full 1FPS drop.:o

The GTX on the other hand suffers a drop of 105FPS.:shock: "

Just dont jump the gun and say the GTX gives GX2 performance already.;)

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

Wow, just wow. I feel sorry for all the kids who got a GX2...

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1356/1/page_1_introduction/index.html

At $300, it hangs with a GX2 in games like CRYSIS, WIC, Half-life 2, and even Unreal Tournament 3... :shock:

BlueBirdTS

And oh wait there is a bench of HL2 with 8xAA at 19x12 and just see how thouroughly the GX2 destroys the GTX.With no AA they were pretty much level at 19x12.That's how much AA can affect.;)

True, but who is going to spend at least $200 more just to get 8XAA versus 4XAA? I just don't see how the 9800GX2 is a viable product right now.

Being able to play in 8xAA instead of 4xAA is not worth a dime but being able to play 4xAA instead of no AA is.;)

Pay attention to this.

"Going from no AA to 8xAA in HL2 at 19x12 the GX2 suffers a full 1FPS drop.:o

The GTX on the other hand suffers a drop of 105FPS.:shock: "

Just dont jump the gun and say the GTX gives GX2 performance already.;)

Musacircuit_2

To be honest, you really don't need 8xAA at 19x :P It's a good point though. I'm curious what happens if you Tri-SLI the 9800GTX vs Quad 9800X2. Also curious about 8800GT SLI vs 9800GTX (surely similar in price?)

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

Pay attention to this.

"Going from no AA to 8xAA in HL2 at 19x12 the GX2 suffers a full 1FPS drop.:o

The GTX on the other hand suffers a drop of 105FPS.:shock: "

Just dont jump the gun and say the GTX gives GX2 performance already.;)

jollyriot2k1

To be honest, you really don't need 8xAA at 19x :P It's a good point though. I'm curious what happens if you Tri-SLI the 9800GTX vs Quad 9800X2. Also curious about 8800GT SLI vs 9800GTX (surely similar in price?)

if its availible for 300 bucks, ill problly get it.Lilgunney612

That would be a huge step up from your 6600GT, no doubt!

Where the hell are people getting this 300 dollar price bs from? Some of the old price layouts that are likely completely invalid?

TweakTowns preview freaking says 500 AUD which translates to 470 USD so I will be shocked if it comes out below 450 in the US.

300 is laughable...

its about one par higher then the 3870x2 and then sometimes the 3870x2 is par over the 9800gtx its such a close match theres like no winner :?

and yes ppl who baught the 9800gx2 are kinda dumb when the 9800gtx utterly destroys in the price:performnace ratio

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

its about one par higher then the 3870x2 and then sometimes the 3870x2 is par over the 9800gtx its such a close match theres like no winner :?

and yes ppl who baught the 9800gx2 are kinda dumb when the 9800gtx utterly destroys in the price:performnace ratio

Musacircuit_2

Why is this difficult to understand.:|

single card or not it doesnt make a difference they are both very close together and it all comes down to what card performs better which is a very close matchbetween the 3870x2 and the 9800gtx

$300!! If they get proper exchange rates @ £150 I will be amazed. No doupt they'll charge us the equivelant of $600 though :|

I'm totaly buying this when I go to florida in june though.

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

its about one par higher then the 3870x2 and then sometimes the 3870x2 is par over the 9800gtx its such a close match theres like no winner :?

and yes ppl who baught the 9800gx2 are kinda dumb when the 9800gtx utterly destroys in the price:performnace ratio

sabbath2gamer

Why is this difficult to understand.:|

single card or not it doesnt make a difference they are both very close together and it all comes down to what card performs better which is a very close matchbetween the 3870x2 and the 9800gtx

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

$300!! If they get proper exchange rates @ £150 I will be amazed. No doupt they'll charge us the equivelant of $600 though :|

I'm totaly buying this when I go to florida in june though.

death1505921

It won't be 300, I'd be surprised if it's any less then 450

Even if Nvidia did want to charge 300 the high demand and the fact they get low yields from the 9 series = they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand and the price would sky rocket in just days.

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

Musacircuit_2

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

sabbath2gamer

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

Well, its not consistent and its dependent heavily on software updates for new games.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

dgsag

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

Well, its not consistent and its dependent heavily on software updates for new games.

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

sabbath2gamer

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

i suspet that musacircuit is going to get owned so bad by all the real knowledgable ppl her on the pc hardware forum

*grabs popcorn and waits for the ownage to begin*

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

dgsag

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

Well, its not consistent and its dependent heavily on software updates for new games.

every card is dependant on software there called "D.R.I.V.E.R.S"

so you want to use a card without drivers go ahead *sigh* so many ignornat fanboys out there

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

-Socrates-

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

Well, its not consistent and its dependent heavily on software updates for new games.

every card is dependant on software there called "D.R.I.V.E.R.S"

so you want to use a card without drivers go ahead *sigh* so many ignornat fanboys out there

SLI/Crossfire support is much more flaky than just supporting a game...

Tell me if a 7950GX2 supports Crysis in dual GPU mode?

Meanwhile, a 7900GTX supports it to the full extent of its capabilities.

[QUOTE="-Socrates-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

dgsag

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

Well, its not consistent and its dependent heavily on software updates for new games.

every card is dependant on software there called "D.R.I.V.E.R.S"

so you want to use a card without drivers go ahead *sigh* so many ignornat fanboys out there

SLI/Crossfire support is much more flaky than just supporting a game...

Tell me if a 7950GX2 supports Crysis in dual GPU mode?

Meanwhile, a 7900GTX supports it to the full extent of its capabilities.

I don't know what your smoking, if theirs a recent game aka a game that would even need the power of a crossfire rig that doesn't benefit from it to some degree I haven't found it.

Stalker

Sins

Quake Wars

Crysis

Supcom

WiC

Oblivion

AOE 3

Any Source engine game

Any Doom 3 engine game for that matter

UE3 or any UE3 engine game for that matter

BF2

Bioshock

Assassins Creed

Warhammer

WOW

COD4

GTR2

Civ 4

COH

Rainbow Six Vegas

Graw

CrossfireX had it's faults at launch, but it's all cleared up now.

So again what game doesn't support Crossfire that isn't completely ancient.

I don't know what your smoking, if theirs a recent game aka a game that would even need the power of a crossfire rig that doesn't benefit from it to some degree I haven't found it.

Stalker

Sins

Quake Wars

Crysis

Supcom

WiC

Oblivion

AOE 3

Any Source engine game

Any Doom 3 engine game for that matter

UE3 or any UE3 engine game for that matter

BF2

Bioshock

Assassins Creed

Warhammer

WOW

COD4

GTR2

Civ 4

COH

Rainbow Six Vegas

Graw

CrossfireX had it's faults at launch, but it's all cleared up now.

So again what game doesn't support Crossfire that isn't completely ancient.

zipozal

I find it hilarious how you insult me yet you don't know what I'm talking about...

Yes, the x2 series is fine NOW... But what about in the future? My point was the 7950GX2, which had good support in the beginning, but is now utterly abandoned.

So, please don't go irritating people before you have an inkling about what they're talking about, it usually backfires. ;)

so its the fastest single gpu on the market, very nice; but its still not a realistic or overly practical upgrade for any enthusiast whos already runing at 8800 gt or above. i am sorely tempted but what fetures are their to make me upgrade rely except another 5-15 fps

ill stick with my gts 512 and maybe scip the 9 series, wait for somthing worth upgrading for in 10, when they make use of pci express 2.0

[QUOTE="zipozal"]

I don't know what your smoking, if theirs a recent game aka a game that would even need the power of a crossfire rig that doesn't benefit from it to some degree I haven't found it.

Stalker

Sins

Quake Wars

Crysis

Supcom

WiC

Oblivion

AOE 3

Any Source engine game

Any Doom 3 engine game for that matter

UE3 or any UE3 engine game for that matter

BF2

Bioshock

Assassins Creed

Warhammer

WOW

COD4

GTR2

Civ 4

COH

Rainbow Six Vegas

Graw

CrossfireX had it's faults at launch, but it's all cleared up now.

So again what game doesn't support Crossfire that isn't completely ancient.

dgsag

I find it hilarious how you insult me yet you don't know what I'm talking about...

Yes, the x2 series is fine NOW... But what about in the future? My point was the 7950GX2, which had good support in the beginning, but is now utterly abandoned.

So, please don't go irritating people before you have an inkling about what they're talking about, it usually backfires. ;)

:lol: i guess you dont know much about technology its ok you will learn soon enough little one let me put it plain and simple so even a tech noob like yourself can understand ok here i go are you ready? ok

technology (video cards to be specific) are outdated 1 year or even a couple months after its launch the 3870x2 will be outdtated by the 4*** series then the 4 by the next gen its life

there wow that sounds complex you might not understand it :(

you saying the x2 is fine now but not in the future who cares your not suppose to hold on to a sysytem yur whole life thats the thing with pc you have to upgrade sorry if you cant afford pc gaming or just pc hardware i suggest you go to your local best buy and buy an xbox 360 if you dont want to keep upgrading

good luck with the xbox happy gaming :)

I will kill your monster.

Let's face it the 9800GX2 was a terribly designed card. Overheated,overpriced and bolted together like frankenstein's monster.

The sinlge 9800GTX brings back sanity to the market. I think the price maybe higher than estimated or they will hold it back for a while see if they can get rid of the monster cards.

I will kill your monster.

Let's face it the 9800GX2 was a terribly designed card. Overheated,overpriced and bolted together like frankenstein's monster.

The sinlge 9800GTX brings back sanity to the market. I think the price maybe higher than estimated or they will hold it back for a while see if they can get rid of the monster cards.

teddyrob

yep the 9800gx2 was a major dissapointment i think nvidia really messed up with it

you cant even oc them properly cuz of the major heating :lol:

for $350 you can buy 2 8800gt('s) sli them overclock them abit and bam you just saved $400

ps the oced 8800gt in sli would perform better then the 9800gx2

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

I will kill your monster.

Let's face it the 9800GX2 was a terribly designed card. Overheated,overpriced and bolted together like frankenstein's monster.

The sinlge 9800GTX brings back sanity to the market. I think the price maybe higher than estimated or they will hold it back for a while see if they can get rid of the monster cards.

sabbath2gamer

yep the 9800gx2 was a major dissapointment i think nvidia really messed up with it

you cant even oc them properly cuz of the major heating :lol:

for $350 you can buy 2 8800gt('s) sli them overclock them abit and bam you just saved $400

ps the oced 8800gt in sli would perform better then the 9800gx2

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"][QUOTE="zipozal"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="-Socrates-"][QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

9800GTX will ALWAYS give you stellar performance unlike the X2 and that alone makes it a better card.End of story.

Musacircuit_2

now your saying the 3870x2 doesnt have good performance :? waitago at making yourself looks smart

Well, its not consistent and its dependent heavily on software updates for new games.

every card is dependant on software there called "D.R.I.V.E.R.S"

so you want to use a card without drivers go ahead *sigh* so many ignornat fanboys out there

SLI/Crossfire support is much more flaky than just supporting a game...

Tell me if a 7950GX2 supports Crysis in dual GPU mode?

Meanwhile, a 7900GTX supports it to the full extent of its capabilities.

I don't know what your smoking, if theirs a recent game aka a game that would even need the power of a crossfire rig that doesn't benefit from it to some degree I haven't found it.

Stalker

Sins

Quake Wars

Crysis

Supcom

WiC

Oblivion

AOE 3

Any Source engine game

Any Doom 3 engine game for that matter

UE3 or any UE3 engine game for that matter

BF2

Bioshock

Assassins Creed

Warhammer

WOW

COD4

GTR2

Civ 4

COH

Rainbow Six Vegas

Graw

CrossfireX had it's faults at launch, but it's all cleared up now.

So again what game doesn't support Crossfire that isn't completely ancient.

Crysis had no CF support at launch.:lol:

"Our GeForce 8800 GTX SLI setup managed to put up impressive numbers, but our ATI CrossFire setups crashed the game. We expect multicard support to improve in the coming weeks."

Same case with world in conflict.:lol:

"The GeForce 8800 GTX SLI setup performed the same as our single GeForce 8800 GTX, and our CrossFire Radeon HD 2900 XT crashed the game on loading. The dual-card setups tend to offer spotty performance on new games before Nvidia and ATI rush out their patches."

And my god this get's absolutely disgusting with bioshock.:lol::lol:

"In addition, the Radeon HD 2900 XT CrossFire failed to load the game properly, owners will likely have to wait for a new driver release to enable functionality."

I am sorry but i dont give a ******* **** if games get pathes or new drivers,i wanna play the game NOW and when i buy an expensive video card i dont expect to be treated by all this non sense.You can enjoy all your rubbish crossfire and SLI complications,I and many people dont.

um the 3870x2 is one par away and sometimes a par over the 9800gtx and some ppl say the 9800gtx is $450 then the why not buy a 3870x2 for only $420 on newegg and fromt he reviews that you posted the most i saw was 5 fps more and vice verse the 3870x2 is a tough competitor and nvidia should release some darn good drivers if they want tot ake the lead in this match

$300 I doubt that very much because then you would be able to buy two GTX's for the same price as a GX2. And I'm pretty certain two GTX's >>>>>>> GX2, which surely would render the GX2 practically useless after only just seeing release.

It really shouldn't be too surprising at that price really, it's basically an overclocked 8800GTX with the new architectue. Brand new 8800GTX on ebay go for $300 and as little as $250. It looks like this will be the price/performance card to get. I'm sticking to my current card now though until I really need an upgrade. Plus I have a fetish for single slot, x800 GT Geforce cards (7800GT, 8800GT etc.) I would prefer an 8800GT to my GTX which sounds completely crazy if you ask me.

I've also gotten to some strange state of mind where I like playing games on older computers better. And you don't need the best crap to have a fun experience. From now on I'm a strict mid range gamer.

It really shouldn't be too surprising at that price really, it's basically an overclocked 8800GTX with the new architectue. Brand new 8800GTX on ebay go for $300 and as little as $250. It looks like this will be the price/performance card to get. I'm sticking to my current card now though until I really need an upgrade. Plus I have a fetish for single slot, x800 GT Geforce cards (7800GT, 8800GT etc.) I would prefer an 8800GT to my GTX which sounds completely crazy if you ask me.

I've also gotten to some strange state of mind where I like playing games on older computers better. And you don't need the best crap to have a fun experience. From now on I'm a strict mid range gamer.

Hot_Potato

WTF was the point of you post just hilarious that you cant grasp ATI COMPLETELY LOSING to nvidia in EVERY SINGLE PRICE RANGE.:lol::lol:

Musacircuit_2

ATI owns the AGP market. Not that it's a big market or anything, but it's still a market segment Nvidia hasn't done anything for.

ATI owns the HTPC market. Nvidia's cards can't even come close to competing with ATI's for HD movie decoding, especially if you want to use as few connectors as possible.

ATI's sub-$150 offerings also generally have a performance edge over Nvidia's, especially once the HD3830 hits the market. And until the 9800GTX comes out (and depending on further benchmarks, if we can all recall as far back as two or so weeks ago, their 9800GX2 reviews were screwy as all hell), ATI also has the performance crown between $400-$500. It doesn't matter if you like SLI or Crossfire, all the benchmark sites agree that Nvidia doesn't have anything on the market right now to compete with the HD3870X2. Sure, that'll chagne in a week or so, but as it stands, ATI is still winning at that price point.

And let's not forget that ATI makes the graphics cards for both the Wii and Xbox 360 - the two most popular consoles on the market right now. I'm not going to debate whether it's better or worse than the Playstation 3's graphics, but from a sales perspective, ATI is crapping on Nvidia in the console market.

And don't even get me started on IGP's, ATI is dominating there. If they had a processor that could compete with Intel's Core 2 Duo line, AMD would be the unequivocal champion for budget builds.

[QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

WTF was the point of you post just hilarious that you cant grasp ATI COMPLETELY LOSING to nvidia in EVERY SINGLE PRICE RANGE.:lol::lol:

RayvinAzn

ATI owns the AGP market. Not that it's a big market or anything, but it's still a market segment Nvidia hasn't done anything for.

ATI owns the HTPC market. Nvidia's cards can't even come close to competing with ATI's for HD movie decoding, especially if you want to use as few connectors as possible.

ATI's sub-$150 offerings also generally have a performance edge over Nvidia's, especially once the HD3830 hits the market. And until the 9800GTX comes out (and depending on further benchmarks, if we can all recall as far back as two or so weeks ago, their 9800GX2 reviews were screwy as all hell), ATI also has the performance crown between $400-$500. It doesn't matter if like SLI or Crossfire, all the benchmark sites agree that Nvidia doesn't have anything on the market right now to compete with the HD3870X2. Sure, that'll chagne in a week or so, but as it stands, ATI is still winning at that price point.

And let's not forget that ATI makes the graphics cards for both the Wii and Xbox 360 - the two most popular consoles on the market right now. I'm not going to debate whether it's better or worse than the Playstation 3's graphics, but from a sales perspective, ATI is crapping on Nvidia in the console market.

And don't even get me started on IGP's, ATI is dominating there. If they had a processor that could compete with Intel's Core 2 Duo line, AMD would be the unequivocal champion for budget builds.

And what is your argument about the 3870X2?That is similar to saying that ATI is owned at the launch of the 8800 when in realily they were actually truly owned after the 2900XT was launched.Ofcourse some companies will get there new products to market quicker but before the other company has a chance to respond,it's pointless to say that one company dominates that price point.

And where did we started talking about the financials?But if you want it this way than so be it?

Firstly you do know that the graphics card on the wii is a joke by todays standard and is very cheap thus the profit margin for ATI on one wii GPU will be much lower than for nvidia on one PS3 GPU.So the domination here is not as staightforward as you may think.And i dont know whether you know this but the ps3 outsells the 360 in world wide sales.Sure the 360 has more overall sales for now but the ps3 will catch it one day.Plus once the ps3 era kicks off it will be unstoppable and the next xbox will come in 2010 anyways as MS like to have shorter lifespan on their console just like the original xbox.

Plus nvidia has probably sold 10 times as many DX10 cards as ATI and they have basically made a fortune with the 8800.I hope you know that they make much more profit selling their own GPU's in the PC market than making them for consoles.Nvidia has even bad mouthed console gaming as i remember there was a topic in system wars.Befire the PS3 had even launched nvidia had come and said that the 8800GTX is twice as powerful as the RSX so it's apparant that they dont care and give a damn about console gaming.

Heck if nvidia did care about it all that much,they wouldnt have gone into a dispute with MS over the original xbox.

If not for nvidia you wouldnt be playing crysis.

The 9600GT isn't a sub-$150 card (one or two models after MIR don't count if you ask me), and the 8800GS (last I checked) didn't perform quite as well as the HD3850, or at least there was no clear winner. More tests of the 8800GS would have been nice, but it was a limited-release card.

As for Crysis? It's a decent game, but it completely and utterly failed to deliver what it was promising. A bunch of gimmicks done anywhere from reasonably well to piss-poor do not make a game revolutionary or good. Crysis is practically a benchmark these days, not a game that people really enjoy. Strip Crysis of its pretty graphics, and it's just another sub-par shooter with a pseudo-sandbox feel, and STALKER did a much better job with the sandbox feel than Crysis did.

[QUOTE="RayvinAzn"][QUOTE="Musacircuit_2"]

WTF was the point of you post just hilarious that you cant grasp ATI COMPLETELY LOSING to nvidia in EVERY SINGLE PRICE RANGE.:lol::lol:

Musacircuit_2

ATI owns the AGP market. Not that it's a big market or anything, but it's still a market segment Nvidia hasn't done anything for.

ATI owns the HTPC market. Nvidia's cards can't even come close to competing with ATI's for HD movie decoding, especially if you want to use as few connectors as possible.

ATI's sub-$150 offerings also generally have a performance edge over Nvidia's, especially once the HD3830 hits the market. And until the 9800GTX comes out (and depending on further benchmarks, if we can all recall as far back as two or so weeks ago, their 9800GX2 reviews were screwy as all hell), ATI also has the performance crown between $400-$500. It doesn't matter if like SLI or Crossfire, all the benchmark sites agree that Nvidia doesn't have anything on the market right now to compete with the HD3870X2. Sure, that'll chagne in a week or so, but as it stands, ATI is still winning at that price point.

And let's not forget that ATI makes the graphics cards for both the Wii and Xbox 360 - the two most popular consoles on the market right now. I'm not going to debate whether it's better or worse than the Playstation 3's graphics, but from a sales perspective, ATI is crapping on Nvidia in the console market.

And don't even get me started on IGP's, ATI is dominating there. If they had a processor that could compete with Intel's Core 2 Duo line, AMD would be the unequivocal champion for budget builds.

And what is your argument about the 3870X2?That is similar to saying that ATI is owned at the launch of the 8800 when in realily they were actually truly owned after the 2900XT was launched.Ofcourse some companies will get there new products to market quicker but before the other company has a chance to respond,it's pointless to say that one company dominates that price point.

And where did we started talking about the financials?But if you want it this way than so be it?

Firstly you do know that the graphics card on the wii is a joke by todays standard and is very cheap thus the profit margin for ATI on one wii GPU will be much lower than for nvidia on one PS3 GPU.So the domination here is not as staightforward as you may think.And i dont know whether you know this but the ps3 outsells the 360 in world wide sales.Sure the 360 has more overall sales for now but the ps3 will catch it one day.Plus once the ps3 era kicks off it will be unstoppable and the next xbox will come in 2010 anyways as MS like to have shorter lifespan on their console just like the original xbox.

Plus nvidia has probably sold 10 times as many DX10 cards as ATI and they have basically made a fortune with the 8800.I hope you know that they make much more profit selling their own GPU's in the PC market than making them for consoles.Nvidia has even bad mouthed console gaming as i remember there was a topic in system wars.Befire the PS3 had even launched nvidia had come and said that the 8800GTX is twice as powerful as the RSX so it's apparant that they dont care and give a damn about console gaming.

Heck if nvidia did care about it all that much,they wouldnt have gone into a dispute with MS over the original xbox.

If not for nvidia you wouldnt be playing crysis.

when in his entire statement did he say ATI was making more profit? he was stating that they still have a lead of certain markets over Nvidia and they do.

[QUOTE="Lilgunney612"]if its availible for 300 bucks, ill problly get it.BlueBirdTS

That would be a huge step up from your 6600GT, no doubt!

heh, id be happy with a 3850 right now.

The 9600GT isn't a sub-$150 card (one or two models after MIR don't count if you ask me), and the 8800GS (last I checked) didn't perform quite as well as the HD3850, or at least there was no clear winner. More tests of the 8800GS would have been nice, but it was a limited-release card.

As for Crysis? It's a decent game, but it completely and utterly failed to deliver what it was promising. A bunch of gimmicks done anywhere from reasonably well to piss-poor do not make a game revolutionary or good. Crysis is practically a benchmark these days, not a game that people really enjoy. Strip Crysis of its pretty graphics, and it's just another sub-par shooter with a pseudo-sandbox feel, and STALKER did a much better job with the sandbox feel than Crysis did.

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And ya we havent seen much on 8800GS so i guess since there's not mcuh evidence we will have to settle on it being on par with 512MB 3850.What i do know and did actually see a review just today was a superclocked 8800GS peforming on par with a normal 9600GT.THat's all i know really.

And as for crysis well that's just an opinion.I for one still play that game just basking in the graphics.Yes put out the graphics coat and it loses alot but i cant say that for sure as i never played the game with medium settings,they do look quite unimpressive though.

But really i dont care,crysis really benefits from technology and graphics like few other games.The missions are well structured,the variety in gameplay and environments is there,the physics are fantastic bar the glitches.But really it's the graphics of the game which do too much for this game IMO but really the shooting model is pretty good as well.

All i can say is crysis has been one of my most memorable gaming experiecnes and if you dont like it fine that's your opinion,what i do know is if not for nvidia crysis may have goon multiplatform or may not have come or whatever.