It seems to be because he thinks microsoft are trying to limit their competitors in the next installment of windows and that the whole point of PC gaming is the open nature of it.
Which is true.
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Gabe Newell: "Windows 8 will be a Catastrophe for Game Makers"
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Much of Windows' success is built on being an open platform. So while the locked down Windows RT is an obvious attempt to do what Apple does with iOS and the iPad, I don't see them doing the same with Windows 8.
(and I think the various competition regulators would have a fit if mainstream Windows became a closed system)
I actually can't stand Gabe Newell. Nothing to do with this particular case but I'm sick of his BS. Every time he gets an opportunity to talk crap about another company he comes out all high and mighty, thinking he is the saviour of PC games or something, while being the culprit of the first always online DRM (yeah, I went there)It seems to be because he thinks microsoft are trying to limit their competitors in the next installment of windows and that the whole point of PC gaming is the open nature of it.
Which is true.
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PcGamingRig
[QUOTE="PcGamingRig"]I actually can't stand Gabe Newell. Nothing to do with this particular case but I'm sick of his BS. Every time he gets an opportunity to talk crap about another company he comes out all high and mighty, thinking he is the saviour of PC games or something, while being the culprit of the first always online DRM (yeah, I went there)It seems to be because he thinks microsoft are trying to limit their competitors in the next installment of windows and that the whole point of PC gaming is the open nature of it.
Which is true.
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FelipeInside
Steam offline mode. Your argument is invalid.
And Gaben IS the saviour of vidya. Steam pretty much single handedly put the PC back as big player and started the whole digital distribution craziness.
This is the nail in the coffin for me. I'm so sick and tired of this bullsh-- now I can't take anymore. I quit being a gamer today. Goodbye Gamespot! Hopefully Apophis 2029 will save the Earth from this contaminated species called Homo Sapiens Sapiens.SKaREO
You are the single most over dramatic person on these fourms and you will not be missed.
Gabe seems more worried about the potential hit that Steam could take more than anything. I would be worried too if my product was going to be limited because of external factors.
I do think that Windows 8 is going to explode in Microsoft's face. It's an OS designed for a closed-platform tablet. How many PC tablets are there on the market right now? None. So why the hell build an OS that nobody can use right now?
Funny, I have yet to hear from many gamers who plan on downgrading their systems to Windows 8.
Microsoft is a plague.
"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think Its really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," Newelltold Game Informer magazine. "Id say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, This was a horrible disaster and were sorry and were going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."
He also claimed HL2 Episode One will be good, but I'm willing to ignore that.
"The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think Its really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted," Newelltold Game Informer magazine. "Id say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a do over. Just say, This was a horrible disaster and were sorry and were going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it."
He also claimed HL2 Episode One will be good, but I'm willing to ignore that.
Baranga
Episode One was good, it just wasn't great.
I use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
The Desktop UI you knew isnt there in its entirety; what you get is a hollow shell of its former self. And to access the control panel or other function s you have to go through Metro, You no longer get the same list of programs that you used to get when you clicked on the Start button (you actually switch to the Metro UI instead). you still have to use Metro to begin with to create shortcuts and to get around , the main purpose of win 8 is Metro, The start menu has everything to access more advanced windows functions, for a typical desktop Win8 with Metro is just bloated and limited. Ive spoken to other people who have been testing Windows 8 for months. A lot of them found it puzzling ,and it's getting worse, not better, with each beta update. Many people that have tried Win8 get confused and lost where to go and how to simple tasks that are no longer easily accessed. Even with desktop mode you still have to jump through hoops to find certain functions and items. Also note that MS is ripping out related legacy code to prevent fixes ( re-enabling) by third party apps.So, to start a new app, you need to step out of your UI, go to the Metro UI, and then back again -- every time. Really slows down the multitasking, which is the central advantage for which Windows was originally designed. . But the fact is it has made the desktop experience slightly worse, and even slightly worse is still very annoying. It's not Windows 7 + metro, it's Windows 7 with parts ripped out so metro could be shoved awkwardly inside. Preferences are now spread across metro and classic control panels. Many files opened from the desktop open in metro apps by default, pulling you into full-screen programs designed for touch. Metro is dumb on PCs with huge monitor real estate. Start menu search is replaced by a metro search that doesn't show all results on the same screen, instead requiring mousing or clicking through the different categories. Metro is not meant for desktops plain and simple, and dont fix whats not broken, the standard desktop interfaced has been around for 17 years it works, your not going to improve the keyboard and mouse UI with an UI made for touch screens for simple usage. The Metro interface is so unnecessarily different that much of what users have come to know about Windows for the past 17 years doesn't apply. And the new interface doesn't help them much in figuring out the new steps they need to take to accomplish old tasks. Take closing programs. Since Windows 95, users have only needed to clicked on the "x" in the upper right hand corner of the window to close it. For those who prefer to use the menu bar, you can usually click on "File" and then "Exit." But with Metro-style apps, you won't find a close-program "x." You won't even find a menu bar. Instead, to close a program you have to move your pointer to the top edge of the screen, click and hold until the app screen becomes a thumbnail and then drag that thumbnail image to the bottom of the screen. And you have to do all this without any clues: There's nothing to "grab" at the top edge of the screen, and the interface gives you no indication of what you should do with the thumbnail once you've grabbed it. Problem is that you have to jump through hoops with Metro just to get a basic desktop UI back in order, but you still have to switch to do simple things like to use the search bar. Windows 8 will not go down to well for IT , and experienced users. Ok Im done with my rantI use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
HyperWarlock
[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"] Steam pretty much single handedly put the PC back as big player and started the whole digital distribution craziness.kaealyPretty much this, every PC gamer should be happy that steam actually made PC gaming relevant again for publishers and devs.
I agree. It has definitely help boost the PC sector and also with all these sales that you get nowdays on Steam is insane.
[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]The Desktop UI you knew isnt there in its entirety; what you get is a hollow shell of its former self. And to access the control panel or other function s you have to go through Metro, You no longer get the same list of programs that you used to get when you clicked on the Start button (you actually switch to the Metro UI instead). you still have to use Metro to begin with to create shortcuts and to get around , the main purpose of win 8 is Metro, The start menu has everything to access more advanced windows functions, for a typical desktop Win8 with Metro is just bloated and limited. Ive spoken to other people who have been testing Windows 8 for months. A lot of them found it puzzling ,and it's getting worse, not better, with each beta update. Many people that have tried Win8 get confused and lost where to go and how to simple tasks that are no longer easily accessed. Even with desktop mode you still have to jump through hoops to find certain functions and items. Also note that MS is ripping out related legacy code to prevent fixes ( re-enabling) by third party apps.So, to start a new app, you need to step out of your UI, go to the Metro UI, and then back again -- every time. Really slows down the multitasking, which is the central advantage for which Windows was originally designed. . But the fact is it has made the desktop experience slightly worse, and even slightly worse is still very annoying. It's not Windows 7 + metro, it's Windows 7 with parts ripped out so metro could be shoved awkwardly inside. Preferences are now spread across metro and classic control panels. Many files opened from the desktop open in metro apps by default, pulling you into full-screen programs designed for touch. Metro is dumb on PCs with huge monitor real estate. Start menu search is replaced by a metro search that doesn't show all results on the same screen, instead requiring mousing or clicking through the different categories. Metro is not meant for desktops plain and simple, and dont fix whats not broken, the standard desktop interfaced has been around for 17 years it works, your not going to improve the keyboard and mouse UI with an UI made for touch screens for simple usage. The Metro interface is so unnecessarily different that much of what users have come to know about Windows for the past 17 years doesn't apply. And the new interface doesn't help them much in figuring out the new steps they need to take to accomplish old tasks. Take closing programs. Since Windows 95, users have only needed to clicked on the "x" in the upper right hand corner of the window to close it. For those who prefer to use the menu bar, you can usually click on "File" and then "Exit." But with Metro-style apps, you won't find a close-program "x." You won't even find a menu bar. Instead, to close a program you have to move your pointer to the top edge of the screen, click and hold until the app screen becomes a thumbnail and then drag that thumbnail image to the bottom of the screen. And you have to do all this without any clues: There's nothing to "grab" at the top edge of the screen, and the interface gives you no indication of what you should do with the thumbnail once you've grabbed it. Problem is that you have to jump through hoops with Metro just to get a basic desktop UI back in order, but you still have to switch to do simple things like to use the search bar. Windows 8 will not go down to well for IT , and experienced users. Ok Im done with my rant This more or less sums up the problem with Windows 8, there is no need to have the Metro UI on a desktop, the current Windows UI works fine. Maybe on a touch device it will be good but on a traditional PC, it's crap. Which is a shame because on WP7 it is a really good UI and works amazingly.I use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
04dcarraher
I actually can't stand Gabe Newell. Nothing to do with this particular case but I'm sick of his BS. Every time he gets an opportunity to talk crap about another company he comes out all high and mighty, thinking he is the saviour of PC games or something, while being the culprit of the first always online DRM (yeah, I went there)[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="PcGamingRig"]
It seems to be because he thinks microsoft are trying to limit their competitors in the next installment of windows and that the whole point of PC gaming is the open nature of it.
Which is true.
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QQabitmoar
Steam offline mode. Your argument is invalid.
And Gaben IS the saviour of vidya. Steam pretty much single handedly put the PC back as big player and started the whole digital distribution craziness.
If you're in online mode and your connection drops out, you can't go in offline mode.
[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] I actually can't stand Gabe Newell. Nothing to do with this particular case but I'm sick of his BS. Every time he gets an opportunity to talk crap about another company he comes out all high and mighty, thinking he is the saviour of PC games or something, while being the culprit of the first always online DRM (yeah, I went there)topgunmv
Steam offline mode. Your argument is invalid.
And Gaben IS the saviour of vidya. Steam pretty much single handedly put the PC back as big player and started the whole digital distribution craziness.
If you're in online mode and your connection drops out, you can't go in offline mode.
That's not true. I just now tried it to see on a new installation of Win7, having never gone to offline mode yet. Disabled my network adapter, told Steam to go offline, and it worked.I haven't used Win 8 yet, and nothing about it looks good from a pc perspective, though the new tablets look nice. I do think he's possibly exaggerating though. I mean, if it's that bad, gamers will just continue using Win 7. Win 8 isn't supposed to be having an exclusive DirectX or something is it?
[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]The Desktop UI you knew isnt there in its entirety; what you get is a hollow shell of its former self. And to access the control panel or other function s you have to go through Metro, You no longer get the same list of programs that you used to get when you clicked on the Start button (you actually switch to the Metro UI instead). you still have to use Metro to begin with to create shortcuts and to get around , the main purpose of win 8 is Metro, The start menu has everything to access more advanced windows functions, for a typical desktop Win8 with Metro is just bloated and limited. Ive spoken to other people who have been testing Windows 8 for months. A lot of them found it puzzling ,and it's getting worse, not better, with each beta update. Many people that have tried Win8 get confused and lost where to go and how to simple tasks that are no longer easily accessed. Even with desktop mode you still have to jump through hoops to find certain functions and items. Also note that MS is ripping out related legacy code to prevent fixes ( re-enabling) by third party apps.So, to start a new app, you need to step out of your UI, go to the Metro UI, and then back again -- every time. Really slows down the multitasking, which is the central advantage for which Windows was originally designed. . But the fact is it has made the desktop experience slightly worse, and even slightly worse is still very annoying. It's not Windows 7 + metro, it's Windows 7 with parts ripped out so metro could be shoved awkwardly inside. Preferences are now spread across metro and classic control panels. Many files opened from the desktop open in metro apps by default, pulling you into full-screen programs designed for touch. Metro is dumb on PCs with huge monitor real estate. Start menu search is replaced by a metro search that doesn't show all results on the same screen, instead requiring mousing or clicking through the different categories. Metro is not meant for desktops plain and simple, and dont fix whats not broken, the standard desktop interfaced has been around for 17 years it works, your not going to improve the keyboard and mouse UI with an UI made for touch screens for simple usage. The Metro interface is so unnecessarily different that much of what users have come to know about Windows for the past 17 years doesn't apply. And the new interface doesn't help them much in figuring out the new steps they need to take to accomplish old tasks. Take closing programs. Since Windows 95, users have only needed to clicked on the "x" in the upper right hand corner of the window to close it. For those who prefer to use the menu bar, you can usually click on "File" and then "Exit." But with Metro-style apps, you won't find a close-program "x." You won't even find a menu bar. Instead, to close a program you have to move your pointer to the top edge of the screen, click and hold until the app screen becomes a thumbnail and then drag that thumbnail image to the bottom of the screen. And you have to do all this without any clues: There's nothing to "grab" at the top edge of the screen, and the interface gives you no indication of what you should do with the thumbnail once you've grabbed it. Problem is that you have to jump through hoops with Metro just to get a basic desktop UI back in order, but you still have to switch to do simple things like to use the search bar. Windows 8 will not go down to well for IT , and experienced users. Ok Im done with my rantI use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
04dcarraher
I have not kept up with windows 8 development, so please excuse my incredible ignorance on the subject. I've seen some videos and the UI didn't seem terrible for traditional PC's.
Is it honestly that bad? Is windows 8 really just a giant ass chore? Or are you nit-picking a little? I'm not trying to sound rude I'm just genuinely curious.
Its a bunch of smaller annoyances that isnt needed that adds up to be a pain in the butt for people. MS is forcing Metro down peoples throats to push their monopoly even further. As a touch screen UI Metro is fine, but for a desktop its pointless and MS and Computer companies will be getting many angry calls and emails about things not working cant find this or that and the confusing nature of Win + metro trying to fuse together having options and features all mixed together is just a headache that is not needed.
To be honest if windows 8 is a total POS I cant imagine the whole PC gaming platform dying purely because in this day in age; despite what people think about corporate dominance, I think the consumer has even more power over the big businesses. A "closed" platform would be around for about a year and after that another platform would be out that be more game friendly. I cant imagine with the amount of money valve are rolling around in + good business connections; they wouldnt try and create their own OS or something similiar. As soon as microsoft start losing money massively they will do a U turn on it.
[QUOTE="topgunmv"]
[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]
Steam offline mode. Your argument is invalid.
And Gaben IS the saviour of vidya. Steam pretty much single handedly put the PC back as big player and started the whole digital distribution craziness.
guynamedbilly
If you're in online mode and your connection drops out, you can't go in offline mode.
That's not true. I just now tried it to see on a new installation of Win7, having never gone to offline mode yet. Disabled my network adapter, told Steam to go offline, and it worked.I haven't used Win 8 yet, and nothing about it looks good from a pc perspective, though the new tablets look nice. I do think he's possibly exaggerating though. I mean, if it's that bad, gamers will just continue using Win 7. Win 8 isn't supposed to be having an exclusive DirectX or something is it?
"What is Offline Mode? Offline Mode allows you to play games through Steam without reconnecting to the Steam Network every time you wish to play - this is particularly useful if you do not plan on playing over the internet and would prefer not to download new updates for your single-player games. Please note that you must connect to the Steam Network and test each of the games you would like to use in Offline Mode at least once to set up your account and configure Offline Mode on your machine." Straight from steams homepage, even steam tells you that you need to connect to the steam network aka being online and then go into offline mode. At least once is one too man times if you ask me.[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]That's not true. I just now tried it to see on a new installation of Win7, having never gone to offline mode yet. Disabled my network adapter, told Steam to go offline, and it worked.[QUOTE="topgunmv"]
If you're in online mode and your connection drops out, you can't go in offline mode.
kaealy
I haven't used Win 8 yet, and nothing about it looks good from a pc perspective, though the new tablets look nice. I do think he's possibly exaggerating though. I mean, if it's that bad, gamers will just continue using Win 7. Win 8 isn't supposed to be having an exclusive DirectX or something is it?
"What is Offline Mode? Offline Mode allows you to play games through Steam without reconnecting to the Steam Network every time you wish to play - this is particularly useful if you do not plan on playing over the internet and would prefer not to download new updates for your single-player games. Please note that you must connect to the Steam Network and test each of the games you would like to use in Offline Mode at least once to set up your account and configure Offline Mode on your machine." Straight from steams homepage, even steam tells you that you need to connect to the steam network aka being online and then go into offline mode. At least once is one too man times if you ask me.Once as in, once after you installed the game. I use steam in offline mode daily...
Give me one reason why it's better than Windows 7. No one's been able to so far.I use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
HyperWarlock
[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]Give me one reason why it's better than Windows 7. No one's been able to so far. Nobody cares my man, it's an OS, do what you want.I use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
Toxic-Seahorse
[QUOTE="SKaREO"]This is the nail in the coffin for me. I'm so sick and tired of this bullsh-- now I can't take anymore. I quit being a gamer today. Goodbye Gamespot! Hopefully Apophis 2029 will save the Earth from this contaminated species called Homo Sapiens Sapiens.Wasdie
You are the single most over dramatic person on these fourms and you will not be missed.
Gabe seems more worried about the potential hit that Steam could take more than anything. I would be worried too if my product was going to be limited because of external factors.
I do think that Windows 8 is going to explode in Microsoft's face. It's an OS designed for a closed-platform tablet. How many PC tablets are there on the market right now? None. So why the hell build an OS that nobody can use right now?
Wow another condescending post by wasdie, what a great mod!
:roll:
[QUOTE="SKaREO"]This is the nail in the coffin for me. I'm so sick and tired of this bullsh-- now I can't take anymore. I quit being a gamer today. Goodbye Gamespot! Hopefully Apophis 2029 will save the Earth from this contaminated species called Homo Sapiens Sapiens.Wasdie
You are the single most over dramatic person on these fourms and you will not be missed.
Gabe seems more worried about the potential hit that Steam could take more than anything. I would be worried too if my product was going to be limited because of external factors.
I do think that Windows 8 is going to explode in Microsoft's face. It's an OS designed for a closed-platform tablet. How many PC tablets are there on the market right now? None. So why the hell build an OS that nobody can use right now?
How is it closed platform? the very point of windows 8 is to move away from closed platform tablet restrictions, the restricted yet accesible side + the openess of a normal windows OS. That is its whole purpose. I don't know, I find people to be paranoid in this situations, MS is trying to grab the markets and merge them as one, not change to the other and kill the older one off. Whats more reasonable to you? A Microsoft Surface Pro for say £800 , or a seperate Tablet + Ultra book? why have 2 seperate OS's ... its old, its outdated and needs to go away.[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]The Desktop UI you knew isnt there in its entirety; what you get is a hollow shell of its former self. And to access the control panel or other function s you have to go through Metro, You no longer get the same list of programs that you used to get when you clicked on the Start button (you actually switch to the Metro UI instead). you still have to use Metro to begin with to create shortcuts and to get around , the main purpose of win 8 is Metro, The start menu has everything to access more advanced windows functions, for a typical desktop Win8 with Metro is just bloated and limited. Ive spoken to other people who have been testing Windows 8 for months. A lot of them found it puzzling ,and it's getting worse, not better, with each beta update. Many people that have tried Win8 get confused and lost where to go and how to simple tasks that are no longer easily accessed. Even with desktop mode you still have to jump through hoops to find certain functions and items. Also note that MS is ripping out related legacy code to prevent fixes ( re-enabling) by third party apps.So, to start a new app, you need to step out of your UI, go to the Metro UI, and then back again -- every time. Really slows down the multitasking, which is the central advantage for which Windows was originally designed. . But the fact is it has made the desktop experience slightly worse, and even slightly worse is still very annoying. It's not Windows 7 + metro, it's Windows 7 with parts ripped out so metro could be shoved awkwardly inside. Preferences are now spread across metro and classic control panels. Many files opened from the desktop open in metro apps by default, pulling you into full-screen programs designed for touch. Metro is dumb on PCs with huge monitor real estate. Start menu search is replaced by a metro search that doesn't show all results on the same screen, instead requiring mousing or clicking through the different categories. Metro is not meant for desktops plain and simple, and dont fix whats not broken, the standard desktop interfaced has been around for 17 years it works, your not going to improve the keyboard and mouse UI with an UI made for touch screens for simple usage. The Metro interface is so unnecessarily different that much of what users have come to know about Windows for the past 17 years doesn't apply. And the new interface doesn't help them much in figuring out the new steps they need to take to accomplish old tasks. Take closing programs. Since Windows 95, users have only needed to clicked on the "x" in the upper right hand corner of the window to close it. For those who prefer to use the menu bar, you can usually click on "File" and then "Exit." But with Metro-style apps, you won't find a close-program "x." You won't even find a menu bar. Instead, to close a program you have to move your pointer to the top edge of the screen, click and hold until the app screen becomes a thumbnail and then drag that thumbnail image to the bottom of the screen. And you have to do all this without any clues: There's nothing to "grab" at the top edge of the screen, and the interface gives you no indication of what you should do with the thumbnail once you've grabbed it. Problem is that you have to jump through hoops with Metro just to get a basic desktop UI back in order, but you still have to switch to do simple things like to use the search bar. Windows 8 will not go down to well for IT , and experienced users. Ok Im done with my rant Oh hai again, "hollow form of its former self" emplies that there are features and options missing. there arnt. its just been moved around.I use Windows 8 daily now. It is a great OS. Those who think it's atrocious are simply afraid of change. The new start menu isn't really a start menu, but a fantastic launch centre. Desktop you all know and love is still there, and everything runs on it. I really don't know what the problem is.
04dcarraher
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]
[QUOTE="SKaREO"]This is the nail in the coffin for me. I'm so sick and tired of this bullsh-- now I can't take anymore. I quit being a gamer today. Goodbye Gamespot! Hopefully Apophis 2029 will save the Earth from this contaminated species called Homo Sapiens Sapiens.NailedGR
You are the single most over dramatic person on these fourms and you will not be missed.
Gabe seems more worried about the potential hit that Steam could take more than anything. I would be worried too if my product was going to be limited because of external factors.
I do think that Windows 8 is going to explode in Microsoft's face. It's an OS designed for a closed-platform tablet. How many PC tablets are there on the market right now? None. So why the hell build an OS that nobody can use right now?
Wow another condescending post by wasdie, what a great mod!
:roll:
Sorry that you have these preconceived notions that mods cannot have opinions about other users nor speak their minds, yet you can make sarcastic comments about one with no consequences.
Double standards suck.
I post as if I never had the moderator badge. I just enforce the rules, and there is no rule saying I can't speak my mind.
And what makes you think they will lose money on this? Businessess - 1) Needs evolve, eventually hybrids and tablets that have decent processors will make desktops irrelevent in a lot of fields due to mobility and functionality. 2) Is cloud sync/computing ready and freindly.... chrome book? oh wait... windows 8 does it. 3) 20% faster than Windows 7, better boot times, much more accessibly maintanance and reformats. 4) Touch interfaces for modern interaction. Consumors - China leads the way, China dictates that mobile computing in the long term is far more valuable. an OS that caters to all devices and works is going to succeed just fine, leaving its limited Android/iOS counter-parts in the dust until they do the EXACT same thing. What money will they lose when October hits, and you have Surface, other hybrid tablets, touch laptops ect and windows phone 8 all hitting at the same time? Vista was "meh" and still sold a ridiculous ammount. Windows 8 makes windows actually catch up with the competition. A bunch of desktop horny gamers think that because they have a MILD inconvenience of the FIRST version of the hybrid OS that this OS is bad and will fail is beyond selfish and ridiculous. Funny thing is, you would all whine if Microsoft didnt innovate enough, and now that they take the next evolutionary step (while may not be perfect straight away) into unifying our digital devices into 1 eco system you complain that its "too different". I dunno, I don't usually show empathy to large companies.... but damn, anything Microsoft does is spat on despite how much they have done for the computing industry and software in general.... que in the "buh buh they are evil and only done all that based on thier evil monopoly balah idiotic rambelings."To be honest if windows 8 is a total POS I cant imagine the whole PC gaming platform dying purely because in this day in age; despite what people think about corporate dominance, I think the consumer has even more power over the big businesses. A "closed" platform would be around for about a year and after that another platform would be out that be more game friendly. I cant imagine with the amount of money valve are rolling around in + good business connections; they wouldnt try and create their own OS or something similiar. As soon as microsoft start losing money massively they will do a U turn on it.
o0squishy0o
MBirdy88
I can see you're really adamant about defending Windows 8. While I can respect that, I do need to say that you too are just speculating about how Windows 8 is going to affect everything.
Most people here, including myself now, have kind of lost faith in Microsoft with their insistence of moving everything towards tablet PCs. Windows 8 is clearly not built for a keyboard and mouse at any level and to try to convince most of us otherwise is pointless. Microsoft has also done a great job of not listening to the community about these complaints and just pushing forward believing that they are making the right decision.
I personally think it's a group think issue. They got a bunch of higher ups making the decisions. They see tablets as the unstoppable wave of the future and they are determined to beat Apple to the punch with the first operating system that is compatible with both tablets and PCs. It's one of those things where a group of very smart people has gotten together and come up with an idea that they are absolutely certain will work without really testing the waters.
I can say from my perspective of being in the manufacturing industry where we sell hundreds of PCs a year to clients that Windows 8 is completely wasted on us.
It's disconcerting that they are so abruptly abandoning the PC. Windows 7 has such a fantastic interface, there is nothing stopping them from implementing that interface in Windows 8 for standard PCs. They are forcing an entirely new interface on a platform that doesn't need the change. That is what is wrong with Windows 8.
It's really worrying that the company which is famous for supporting a massive variety of hardware and software would take such a radical change in direction after they built such a successful platform.
"What is Offline Mode? Offline Mode allows you to play games through Steam without reconnecting to the Steam Network every time you wish to play - this is particularly useful if you do not plan on playing over the internet and would prefer not to download new updates for your single-player games. Please note that you must connect to the Steam Network and test each of the games you would like to use in Offline Mode at least once to set up your account and configure Offline Mode on your machine." Straight from steams homepage, even steam tells you that you need to connect to the steam network aka being online and then go into offline mode. At least once is one too man times if you ask me.[QUOTE="kaealy"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] That's not true. I just now tried it to see on a new installation of Win7, having never gone to offline mode yet. Disabled my network adapter, told Steam to go offline, and it worked.
I haven't used Win 8 yet, and nothing about it looks good from a pc perspective, though the new tablets look nice. I do think he's possibly exaggerating though. I mean, if it's that bad, gamers will just continue using Win 7. Win 8 isn't supposed to be having an exclusive DirectX or something is it?
QQabitmoar
Once as in, once after you installed the game. I use steam in offline mode daily...
But u still need the internet correct? Don't get me wrong, I love Steam but think back when it was released and the uproar on these same forums about being it DRM blah blah blah. Lots of people here said "I will never use that DRM sh*t" etc etc. Again, I love Steam, but Gabe really should shut his mouth most of the time.So this was written from ur Macbook or Linux box?Funny, I have yet to hear from many gamers who plan on downgrading their systems to Windows 8.
Microsoft is a plague.
-wildflower-
So trueMBirdy88
I can see you're really adamant about defending Windows 8. While I can respect that, I do need to say that you too are just speculating about how Windows 8 is going to affect everything.
Most people here, including myself now, have kind of lost faith in Microsoft with their insistence of moving everything towards tablet PCs. Windows 8 is clearly not built for a keyboard and mouse at any level and to try to convince most of us otherwise is pointless. Microsoft has also done a great job of not listening to the community about these complaints and just pushing forward believing that they are making the right decision.
I personally think it's a group think issue. They got a bunch of higher ups making the decisions. They see tablets as the unstoppable wave of the future and they are determined to beat Apple to the punch with the first operating system that is compatible with both tablets and PCs. It's one of those things where a group of very smart people has gotten together and come up with an idea that they are absolutely certain will work without really testing the waters.
I can say from my perspective of being in the manufacturing industry where we sell hundreds of PCs a year to clients that Windows 8 is completely wasted on us.
It's disconcerting that they are so abruptly abandoning the PC. Windows 7 has such a fantastic interface, there is nothing stopping them from implementing that interface in Windows 8 for standard PCs. They are forcing an entirely new interface on a platform that doesn't need the change. That is what is wrong with Windows 8.
It's really worrying that the company which is famous for supporting a massive variety of hardware and software would take such a radical change in direction after they built such a successful platform.
Wasdie
Says the snorlax whose company make the most innovate games of the past years... Mcdonals is all the way down that street to the right, and please don't eat my mcflurry in ur way back gabe :D Thanxx <3
[QUOTE="SKaREO"]This is the nail in the coffin for me. I'm so sick and tired of this bullsh-- now I can't take anymore. I quit being a gamer today. Goodbye Gamespot! Hopefully Apophis 2029 will save the Earth from this contaminated species called Homo Sapiens Sapiens.Wasdie
You are the single most over dramatic person on these fourms and you will not be missed.
Gabe seems more worried about the potential hit that Steam could take more than anything. I would be worried too if my product was going to be limited because of external factors.
I do think that Windows 8 is going to explode in Microsoft's face. It's an OS designed for a closed-platform tablet. How many PC tablets are there on the market right now? None. So why the hell build an OS that nobody can use right now?
Have you seen the line up of Tablets coming when Win8 releases? Including Microsoft Surface?
On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.
This part of the article should be focused on, in our discussion. The built-in Windows Store will be the only source of buying digital content on some versions of Windows 8. How can anyone defend that? Gabe Newell has a point here.
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]So true Or.... Windows 8 is mostly an OS for Tablets and Cross-Platform between Phone, Laptop and Desktop. Do people really NOT see why MS has done this? Why are we all crying saying "MS has abandoned the PC" blah blah blah? PEOPLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE (read that 5 times). MS always releases OS for a reason....mostly to keep up with latest tech. The release of Win8 is to tackle the Tablet market head-on, and also tackle Apple head-on, it's not for us gamers so NEWS FLASH, don't upgrade.MBirdy88
I can see you're really adamant about defending Windows 8. While I can respect that, I do need to say that you too are just speculating about how Windows 8 is going to affect everything.
Most people here, including myself now, have kind of lost faith in Microsoft with their insistence of moving everything towards tablet PCs. Windows 8 is clearly not built for a keyboard and mouse at any level and to try to convince most of us otherwise is pointless. Microsoft has also done a great job of not listening to the community about these complaints and just pushing forward believing that they are making the right decision.
I personally think it's a group think issue. They got a bunch of higher ups making the decisions. They see tablets as the unstoppable wave of the future and they are determined to beat Apple to the punch with the first operating system that is compatible with both tablets and PCs. It's one of those things where a group of very smart people has gotten together and come up with an idea that they are absolutely certain will work without really testing the waters.
I can say from my perspective of being in the manufacturing industry where we sell hundreds of PCs a year to clients that Windows 8 is completely wasted on us.
It's disconcerting that they are so abruptly abandoning the PC. Windows 7 has such a fantastic interface, there is nothing stopping them from implementing that interface in Windows 8 for standard PCs. They are forcing an entirely new interface on a platform that doesn't need the change. That is what is wrong with Windows 8.
It's really worrying that the company which is famous for supporting a massive variety of hardware and software would take such a radical change in direction after they built such a successful platform.
04dcarraher
here's an interesting stat - worldwide, just under 400k babies are born per day and just under 2 million smartphone / tablet devices are sold per day. that helps illustrate the explosion of mobile and helps you understand why micrososft want to take full advantage of the mobile revolution.
i just can't believe that they are so naive to think that existing desktop only customers can be funnelled down this mobile first path too. i always imagined that windows 8 isn't an OS like previous OSs and instead is an alternative to the desktop OS for users who use their mobile device for just about everything, with particular attention to the Asian and African markets that are seeing the biggest rise in mobile use.
or maybe it's just me that is naive... :(
THANK YOU. Finally a gamer that for a moment didn't think just like a gamer and analized the reason behind Win8. As for ur comment on desktop, well they HAVE to make it a desktop OS as well, but they aren't forcing anyone to upgrade. I think most gamers are just butt hurt cause they believe every MS OS should be caterered to just gaming.here's an interesting stat - worldwide, just under 400k babies are born per day and just under 2 million smartphone / tablet devices are sold per day. that helps illustrate the explosion of mobile and helps you understand why micrososft want to take full advantage of the mobile revolution.
i just can't believe that they are so naive to think that existing desktop only customers can be funnelled down this mobile first path too. i always imagined that windows 8 isn't an OS like previous OSs and instead is an alternative to the desktop OS for users who use their mobile device for just about everything, with particular attention to the Asian and African markets that are seeing the biggest rise in mobile use.
or maybe it's just me that is naive... :(
Macutchi
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]So true Or.... Windows 8 is mostly an OS for Tablets and Cross-Platform between Phone, Laptop and Desktop. Do people really NOT see why MS has done this? Why are we all crying saying "MS has abandoned the PC" blah blah blah? PEOPLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE (read that 5 times). MS always releases OS for a reason....mostly to keep up with latest tech. The release of Win8 is to tackle the Tablet market head-on, and also tackle Apple head-on, it's not for us gamers so NEWS FLASH, don't upgrade.MBirdy88
I can see you're really adamant about defending Windows 8. While I can respect that, I do need to say that you too are just speculating about how Windows 8 is going to affect everything.
Most people here, including myself now, have kind of lost faith in Microsoft with their insistence of moving everything towards tablet PCs. Windows 8 is clearly not built for a keyboard and mouse at any level and to try to convince most of us otherwise is pointless. Microsoft has also done a great job of not listening to the community about these complaints and just pushing forward believing that they are making the right decision.
I personally think it's a group think issue. They got a bunch of higher ups making the decisions. They see tablets as the unstoppable wave of the future and they are determined to beat Apple to the punch with the first operating system that is compatible with both tablets and PCs. It's one of those things where a group of very smart people has gotten together and come up with an idea that they are absolutely certain will work without really testing the waters.
I can say from my perspective of being in the manufacturing industry where we sell hundreds of PCs a year to clients that Windows 8 is completely wasted on us.
It's disconcerting that they are so abruptly abandoning the PC. Windows 7 has such a fantastic interface, there is nothing stopping them from implementing that interface in Windows 8 for standard PCs. They are forcing an entirely new interface on a platform that doesn't need the change. That is what is wrong with Windows 8.
It's really worrying that the company which is famous for supporting a massive variety of hardware and software would take such a radical change in direction after they built such a successful platform.
FelipeInside
You do not seeMS shoving Metro down people's throat? Also with Win 8, it will phased out Win 7 with prebuilts , and eventually Win 7 OEM copies.
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