Gabe Newell: "Windows 8 will be a Catastrophe for Game Makers"

I don't think it's just the store that he's talking about. There's also the limited number of partners that are allowed to make Win 8 tablets and the closed system about all of the RT tablets. With MS tying tablets, phones, and PCs together so much that they look so similar at the detriment of PC users, I don't know how anyone can consider this a good thing for PCs. Regardless of if you don't think it's that bad, I haven't seen any legitimate points for how the interface will be better for PC users than Win 7s. So anyways, my point is that with MS so obviously putting the idea of their unified platform forward to the detriment of PC users, it's not so hard to imagine Win 9 requiring software to be licensed like it is on the Xbox. Clearly, they've had related ideas in the past with GFWL and the Windows Experience Index. It's not something so outrageous that the people whose livelihood depend on it shouldn't think about that possibility.guynamedbilly

Are you serious?

You know how annoying and difficult it is, for example, to edit a Word Document on an iPad and then transfer it to the Mac?

With Win8 Interface and Integration, it all gets synced across the cloud. Documents, Settings, Layouts, everything. U know how much better it will be for business and home users ? It will make the iPad look like a toy that can't do much in the future.

Forget about gaming, think of the entire picture.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I don't think it's just the store that he's talking about. There's also the limited number of partners that are allowed to make Win 8 tablets and the closed system about all of the RT tablets. With MS tying tablets, phones, and PCs together so much that they look so similar at the detriment of PC users, I don't know how anyone can consider this a good thing for PCs. Regardless of if you don't think it's that bad, I haven't seen any legitimate points for how the interface will be better for PC users than Win 7s. So anyways, my point is that with MS so obviously putting the idea of their unified platform forward to the detriment of PC users, it's not so hard to imagine Win 9 requiring software to be licensed like it is on the Xbox. Clearly, they've had related ideas in the past with GFWL and the Windows Experience Index. It's not something so outrageous that the people whose livelihood depend on it shouldn't think about that possibility.FelipeInside

Are you serious?

You know how annoying and difficult it is, for example, to edit a Word Document on an iPad and then transfer it to the Mac?

With Win8 Interface and Integration, it all gets synced across the cloud. Documents, Settings, Layouts, everything. U know how much better it will be for business and home users ? It will make the iPad look like a toy that can't do much in the future.

Forget about gaming, think of the entire picture.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I don't think it's just the store that he's talking about. There's also the limited number of partners that are allowed to make Win 8 tablets and the closed system about all of the RT tablets. With MS tying tablets, phones, and PCs together so much that they look so similar at the detriment of PC users, I don't know how anyone can consider this a good thing for PCs. Regardless of if you don't think it's that bad, I haven't seen any legitimate points for how the interface will be better for PC users than Win 7s. So anyways, my point is that with MS so obviously putting the idea of their unified platform forward to the detriment of PC users, it's not so hard to imagine Win 9 requiring software to be licensed like it is on the Xbox. Clearly, they've had related ideas in the past with GFWL and the Windows Experience Index. It's not something so outrageous that the people whose livelihood depend on it shouldn't think about that possibility.guynamedbilly

Are you serious?

You know how annoying and difficult it is, for example, to edit a Word Document on an iPad and then transfer it to the Mac?

With Win8 Interface and Integration, it all gets synced across the cloud. Documents, Settings, Layouts, everything. U know how much better it will be for business and home users ? It will make the iPad look like a toy that can't do much in the future.

Forget about gaming, think of the entire picture.

DID I JUST SEE SOMEONE COMPLAIN ABOUT A SALE?

realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]I don't think it's just the store that he's talking about. There's also the limited number of partners that are allowed to make Win 8 tablets and the closed system about all of the RT tablets. With MS tying tablets, phones, and PCs together so much that they look so similar at the detriment of PC users, I don't know how anyone can consider this a good thing for PCs. Regardless of if you don't think it's that bad, I haven't seen any legitimate points for how the interface will be better for PC users than Win 7s. So anyways, my point is that with MS so obviously putting the idea of their unified platform forward to the detriment of PC users, it's not so hard to imagine Win 9 requiring software to be licensed like it is on the Xbox. Clearly, they've had related ideas in the past with GFWL and the Windows Experience Index. It's not something so outrageous that the people whose livelihood depend on it shouldn't think about that possibility.guynamedbilly

Are you serious?

You know how annoying and difficult it is, for example, to edit a Word Document on an iPad and then transfer it to the Mac?

With Win8 Interface and Integration, it all gets synced across the cloud. Documents, Settings, Layouts, everything. U know how much better it will be for business and home users ? It will make the iPad look like a toy that can't do much in the future.

Forget about gaming, think of the entire picture.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

Are you serious?

You know how annoying and difficult it is, for example, to edit a Word Document on an iPad and then transfer it to the Mac?

With Win8 Interface and Integration, it all gets synced across the cloud. Documents, Settings, Layouts, everything. U know how much better it will be for business and home users ? It will make the iPad look like a toy that can't do much in the future.

Forget about gaming, think of the entire picture.

FelipeInside

Live tiles only make sense on a mobile device.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] All of that could happen with the desktop version having a different interface.NailedGR

Live tiles only make sense on a mobile device.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It could, but if you used Live Tiles you would see the advantage. They provide instant information without opening the software or webpage. Also the layouts would be synced across all systems (except Phone) so the Metro UI would look identical on each one. It would be like logging onto the same PC from different devices. Of course MS have to pull it off (ie, it's gotta work correctly)DanielDust

Live tiles only make sense on a mobile device.

[QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

DID I JUST SEE SOMEONE COMPLAIN ABOUT A SALE?

MBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="realguitarhero5"]

DID I JUST SEE SOMEONE COMPLAIN ABOUT A SALE?

realguitarhero5

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] All of that could happen with the desktop version having a different interface.NailedGR

Live tiles only make sense on a mobile device.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It could, but if you used Live Tiles you would see the advantage. They provide instant information without opening the software or webpage. Also the layouts would be synced across all systems (except Phone) so the Metro UI would look identical on each one. It would be like logging onto the same PC from different devices. Of course MS have to pull it off (ie, it's gotta work correctly)FelipeInside

Live tiles only make sense on a mobile device.

>2012

>not using your smart phone for periodic checks of all of this without turning on your pc

le costanza face

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Live tiles only make sense on a mobile device.

GummiRaccoon

>2012

>not using your smart phone for periodic checks of all of this without turning on your pc

le costanza face

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

So you sit at your computer with the phone in one of your hands, using only the phone while the PC burns for nothing, got it. I assumed this, because you assumed somebody ever brought such a scenario into discussion and it's more than just social integration, couldn't care less about emails and hipster things like facebook, twitter, google + or w/e new cool thing's on the market.DanielDust

Can you read child, my phone is in a cradle, do you know what that is?

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]So you sit at your computer with the phone in one of your hands, using only the phone while the PC burns for nothing, got it. I assumed this, because you assumed somebody ever brought such a scenario into discussion and it's more than just social integration, couldn't care less about emails and hipster things like facebook, twitter, google + or w/e new cool thing's on the market.GummiRaccoon

Can you read child, my phone is in a cradle, do you know what that is?

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]So you sit at your computer with the phone in one of your hands, using only the phone while the PC burns for nothing, got it. I assumed this, because you assumed somebody ever brought such a scenario into discussion and it's more than just social integration, couldn't care less about emails and hipster things like facebook, twitter, google + or w/e new cool thing's on the market.DanielDust

Can you read child, my phone is in a cradle, do you know what that is?

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

FelipeInside

This hype is nearly identical to:

Vista

Me

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

NailedGR

This hype is nearly identical to:

Vista

Me

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's not only Live Tiles. The Search Function is vastly improved in Windows 8. The integration and synchronization across devices is an awesome idea (if MS get it right and it works as promised). It also has a faster boot up but the Instant Restore function would be interesting to those gamers that like to format every few months. Live I've said before, you don't have to upgrade but I don't personally think Win8 will be a disaster either. On my gaming PC I'm sticking with Win7, but I can't wait to buy the Microsoft Surface so I can write on these forums from my couch watching TV :)MBirdy88

This hype is nearly identical to:

Vista

Me

Just because in your post you say people secretly know these false things to be true doesn't make them true.

Nice try though with trying to argue without making points.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

This hype is nearly identical to:

Vista

Me

NailedGR

Just because in your post you say people secretly know these false things to be true doesn't make them true.

Nice try though with trying to argue without making points.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] It is nothing alike. Vista & ME were ironically just "The next boring, samey Windows Desktop with the same basic functionality but with more standard bloated features. Windows 8 is less bloated than 7, while opens up cloud syncronised computing, lots of nice new user freindly additions (E.G what Felip has said.) and will now make it so we have a good, familiar experiance across all devices. But yea, you will say thats the same thing, but we both know it isnt. Either way, Metro is now on their phones, their tablets, and even the Xbox. the haters are going to lose, and wether it works with windows 8 or windows 9 , metro will remain the face of windows from now on. Go to the poorly supported linux, or closed off mac os x ... oh wait, even with the "Catastrophy" that supposedly is windows 8, it is still by far THE best choice, all the goodness of 7, with all the goodness of modern computing.MBirdy88

Just because in your post you say people secretly know these false things to be true doesn't make them true.

Nice try though with trying to argue without making points.

You and I both know that you know exactly what I am talking about.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

FelipeInside

The kernal is better, for sure. But the UI is crap.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

NailedGR

This hype is nearly identical to:

Vista

Me

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

My phone already notifies me when any of those things occur. I am not just sitting at my computer waiting for twitter feeds and messages on facebook to roll in. If I am out, I already know if I have any communication before I even sit at my computer, so there is no need to check it and if I am sitting at my computer, either playing a game or doing work, I can just check my phone in its cradle when it chimes or my jelly bean tablet which is also in a position for easy access.

"Gee I hope someone sends me an e-mail right now!"

Live tiles would have been a 3rd party app, if that was anything that anyone other than felipe wanted.

And no, I don't want everything integrated into windows, because microsoft doesn't know how to integrate things into windows. it took until IE 9 for them to even get the web browser right.

Microsoft is way late to the party and I can already do what metro does without changing my windows 7 experience which is the first windows experience that was actually nice.

GummiRaccoon

The kernal is better, for sure. But the UI is crap.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's not only Live Tiles. The Search Function is vastly improved in Windows 8. The integration and synchronization across devices is an awesome idea (if MS get it right and it works as promised). It also has a faster boot up but the Instant Restore function would be interesting to those gamers that like to format every few months. Live I've said before, you don't have to upgrade but I don't personally think Win8 will be a disaster either. On my gaming PC I'm sticking with Win7, but I can't wait to buy the Microsoft Surface so I can write on these forums from my couch watching TV :)FelipeInside

The kernal is better, for sure. But the UI is crap.

If you are implying I don't like metro cuz it is hard, lol

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

The kernal is better, for sure. But the UI is crap.

GummiRaccoon

If you are implying I don't like metro cuz it is hard, lol

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] "UI is crap" depends on some users. I can see some people struggling with Metro, while others have picked it up instantly and are already enjoying it more than the classic start menu. Same thing happened when they moved around things from Win98 to WinME/WinXP. Complaints back then as well but then everybody got used to it.FelipeInside

If you are implying I don't like metro cuz it is hard, lol

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

If you are implying I don't like metro cuz it is hard, lol

04dcarraher

I agree that Metro is much more than an overhaul than XP was, and that sometimes it feels like 2 OS stiched together. I think even a MS reviewer said that this was their main challenge, to make them seamless.

I don't agree with need or demand comment. Everything is going mobile these days, with Tablets HUGE in Home and Business. THERE IS a BIG demand for MS to push forward mobile technology. For example look at Office 2013, it comes optimized for touch so business can go on the road.

As for Win8 vs iPad, remains to be seen. If you look at usability between the two, a Win8 Tablet makes the iPad look like a Kid's toy, but saying that...Apple has the marketing and iDroids so MS will have to do a good campaign. I do see businesses in the future ditching iPads for Win8 Surface or similar Tablet. Try editing a Word document between the two.

What MS should have done was separate the OS model or have options to the OS as a whole. Because Metro is being forced onto people. And you cant simply avoid using Metro, multitasking is slower and people will have to learn how use metro which makes you depending on what your doing harder and or take longer to do . Like for example closing an application, before you just clicked the x, now you have to move the cursor to the top wait for the hand then drag toward the bottom of the screen, a pointless change for desktop usage.

But I think the main issue for the desktop UI"classic" its only partly there, of course the start menu is gone the one stop shop needed is now replaced with something not designed for desktops. That alone will cause headaches for people figuring out how to get to the contol panel or where ever that is not in Metro normally. I think another problem is that in some ways Win 8 forces a user to have to use MS's all in one Live center. In some ways this can be taken as MS wanting to control even more just like how they control the xbox products.

What MS should have done was separate the OS model or have options to the OS as a whole. Because Metro is being forced onto people. And you cant simply avoid using Metro, multitasking is slower and people will have to learn how use metro which makes you depending on what your doing harder and or take longer to do . Like for example closing an application, before you just clicked the x, now you have to move the cursor to the top wait for the hand then drag toward the bottom of the screen, a pointless change for desktop usage.

But I think the main issue for the desktop UI"classic" its only partly there, of course the start menu is gone the one stop shop needed is now replaced with something not designed for desktops. That alone will cause headaches for people figuring out how to get to the contol panel or where ever that is not in Metro normally. I think another problem is that in some ways Win 8 forces a user to have to use MS's all in one Live center. In some ways this can be taken as MS wanting to control even more just like how they control the xbox products.

04dcarraher

I agree on some of your points.

They have to optimize Metro, it's not even out yet remember. There was improvement just from one Preview to the next. Heck, the Classic Start Menu took 20 years to get right :)

Do people venture into the Control Panel that often anyway? I'm not talking us gamers, just general use (home and business).

We have to wait and see. I know Businesses aren't going to just upgrade to 8, most are on XP and some are slowly transferring over to Win7. What I DO see is a big impact of Win8 on Tablets, Phones and TouchDevices, which is what MS is concentrating on anyway.

For us gamers: we don't need to upgrade unless it's a brand new PC.

EDIT: Live Center and Cloud isn't "forced" on Win8, you can choose to have a local account.