What could Fallout 3 possibly do to improve upon the gameplay in Fallout 2? If it doesn't improve upon the gameplay aspect aswell as the graphics aspect, then why even bother making a sequel?
Anyway, what do you as fans think Fallout 3 could actually do to improve upon the gameplay of the previous 2 fallouts?
i don't have much experience with the fallout games (i actually just started playing fallout 1 for the first time yesterday, enjoying it so far!) but it's my belief that if they can just recreate the atmosphere and feel of the original game, the modern visuals and 3D world will do the rest - just walking around, exploring the world will be a new gameplay element in itself, there's so much periphery they could just put into the world
the fallout games are old enough and painful enough to look at (even for someone who enjoys old games) that a shiny new 3D world would be pretty welcome welcome - hell, even if they literally just remade the original games in a new engine, it'd be a good deal - every change they make is a chance of a change for the worse, i'd be happy for them to just try and emulate
if they can capture the atmosphere and dark humour of the original games, and not use their godawful oblivion character-skill system or combat system, i think it's a good deal - especially if they can fit some actual roleplaying in there and give the characters some depth and personality
they could improve the combat system and make it more tactical (like jagged alliance) where you can go prone and use cover or something, but i dont think they will make it, my worries are fallout 3 will become a fast paced action rpg to satisfy the market
I always found the interface to be slow and to hard to use, bit of improvement there and ofc. better graphics and i'll be satisfied. The Role Playing aspect of the Fallout games has always been perfect and it's my number one reason for liking the series so much. What other game let's you play a drug addicted Porn Star, A man who can beat others to death with his hands but can't have a proper conversation, or the complete opposite etc.
Bethesteda has always been crappy at Role Playing, but i'll give them a chance.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing a change from the isometric viewpoint. I've always hated the isometric view; walls obscure enemies, items, and other important things. It may be blasphemy, but I wouldn't mind seeing what a 1st person Fallout would look like.
Fallout 3's gameplay will probably much different than the first 2. It's pretty safe to say it'll be similar to Oblivion. We can only hope Bethesda amps up the role playing elements, and the combat system. Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting. Bethesda should adopt that system.
Someone on this board said a while ago Fallout 3 will be good, not great. That's a safe speculation fans should be happy with. I'm content.
just walking around, exploring the world will be a new gameplay element in itself, there's so much periphery they could just put into the worldA-S_FM
That's not true. Fallout was pretty much on par with other rpg's graphically at the time, so had as much exploration factor as a sequel with current generation graphics could have.
they could improve the combat system and make it more tactical (like jagged alliance) where you can go prone and use cover or something, but i dont think they will make it, my worries are fallout 3 will become a fast paced action rpg to satisfy the marketcrapdog
Yes I agree. Jagged Alliance 2 had a better turn based combat engine than Fallout 2. If Fallout 3 has similar depth then that would be an improvement.
Stuff like cutting the wire fence to enter a facility, or stalking the enemy from the tall grass.
NPC companions' contribution to combat could be improved. Otherwise there isn't much to do, except graphics of course. EntwineX
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It would be nice for my party members to not step directly in between me and my target every time we go into combat. Or switch to their knife despite the fact that they have a pistol and plenty of ammo that they could be using.
[QUOTE="EntwineX"]NPC companions' contribution to combat could be improved. Otherwise there isn't much to do, except graphics of course. Mediocre_man90
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. It would be nice for my party members to not step directly in between me and my target every time we go into combat. Or switch to their knife despite the fact that they have a pistol and plenty of ammo that they could be using.
Haha! Oh god I just remembered the NPC lust for friendly fire. That's so funny. ^_^
[QUOTE="koza_76"]Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting. Bethesda should adopt that system. Lilac_Benjie
Noooooo!!!!!!! If Bethesda replace Fallout's turn based combat system with something ripped out of Dark Messiah I will strangle Todd Howard. Fallout 3 will probably be first person with no turn based system. I think they're gonna use Oblivion as a skeleton for Fallout 3 and just fill in the other parts and make it look different. Oblivions combat system being shallow, I think Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting.
[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="koza_76"]Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting. Bethesda should adopt that system. koza_76
Noooooo!!!!!!! If Bethesda replace Fallout's turn based combat system with something ripped out of Dark Messiah I will strangle Todd Howard. Fallout 3 will probably be first person with no turn based system. I think they're gonna use Oblivion as a skeleton for Fallout 3 and just fill in the other parts and make it look different. Oblivions combat system being shallow, I think Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting. yep, then fallout 3 is pretty much dead in the water
I'd like to see a wider variety of uses for your skills. An example being, besides a few key points, some skills weren't used or neccessary. I'm thinking of Demolitions in FO2, specifically. There really wasn't that many instances in the game that having a high demo skill was really helpful. I also like the comments about adding prone/kneeling adjustments to combat, or taking cover into account during combat. And of course I'd like to see more interaction with NPCs in your party.
[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"][QUOTE="koza_76"]Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting. Bethesda should adopt that system. koza_76
Noooooo!!!!!!! If Bethesda replace Fallout's turn based combat system with something ripped out of Dark Messiah I will strangle Todd Howard. Fallout 3 will probably be first person with no turn based system. I think they're gonna use Oblivion as a skeleton for Fallout 3 and just fill in the other parts and make it look different. Oblivions combat system being shallow, I think Dark Messiahs combat system is a step in the right direction when it comes to first person melee fighting.
As horrible as that sounds, I really enjoyed Oblivion for what it was (fantasy FPS with RPG elements) so a Fallout 3 that plays like Oblivion may be an abomination, but a fun one atleast.
As horrible as that sounds, I really enjoyed Oblivion for what it was (fantasy FPS with RPG elements) so a Fallout 3 that plays like Oblivion may be an abomination, but a fun one atleast.
I completely agree with you. I was quite upset when at first I heard that bethesda had gotten the fallout rights. I knew fallout3 would not be what so many fallout fans have been waiting for all these years. Who're we kidding anyways? In the back our minds, we knew, after black isle went under, if it were to be picked up, the next fallout would not be the same. Oblivion was fun for the first 6 hours, overrated, but add some user created mods and that game was much better. *side note: thanks to all those people who modded the hell out of oblivion to make it better. bethesda should take notice and hire the real talent. should probably post on this later on as a thank you note I've decided not to expect much from fallout 3, excited as I am, I don't want to be let down. Hopefully it'll be a great gaming experience in a nuclear wasteland.
*side note: thanks to all those people who modded the hell out of oblivion to make it better. bethesda should take notice and hire the real talent. koza_76
When Bethesda was hiring level designers for Fallout3, they actually listed "experience with Oblivion construction set a plus" or something along those lines.
[QUOTE="koza_76"]*side note: thanks to all those people who modded the hell out of oblivion to make it better. bethesda should take notice and hire the real talent. Alaris83
When Bethesda was hiring level designers for Fallout3, they actually listed "experience with Oblivion construction set a plus" or something along those lines.
Thats cool, atleast theyre acknowledging all the talent out there.
What could Fallout 3 possibly do to improve upon the gameplay in Fallout 2?Lilac_Benjie
Well...they could:
replace all of the character scripting with 24-hour AI-processed 'lifecycles'.
replace a few skills with mindless minigames.
remove all high level enemies and replace them with enemies of the same level as you.
'refine' the character skills by removing half of them.
add in a fast-travel option, so that casuals can get straight into the action.
break the bartering system so that it's impossible to exploit (ensuring that players will never be able to sell anything at a decent price).
disconnect stats from actual gameplay, because casuals don't like missing in combat.
make it real-time, because casuals don't like turn-based games.
...and so on. Most of these were improvements that Bethesda made with Oblivion, so they're probably the same ones they'll use here.
If it doesn't improve upon the gameplay aspect aswell as the graphics aspect, then why even bother making a sequel?Lilac_Benjie
What is Bethesda's ultimate goal? To make good games that their fans can enjoy? HA! They don't even allow freedom of speech on their own forums. To make money by exploiting gamers? Bingo.
Yeah, I think it's safe to assume there won't be turn-based combat in Fallout3. The trouble with that, of course, is the fact that tying Fallout's glorious skill system with First-Person run-and-gun RPG system of Bethesda seems pretty much impossible. Real-time combat will have no such goodness as body-part-aiming, and how exactly are you going to implement Finess or Bloody Mess perks, for example? Fallout was all about the dice, where Oblivion was point and shoot. It's going to be a completely diffent game. Will I be completely happy with Oblivion set in Fallout universe? Probably not. Can I live with it? Yeah. I'll buy it.
Whenever the topic of fallout 3 comes up i get this sense of dread because i'm worried that bethesda will just cancell it. Anyway, i think bethesda should publish the game but get someone else to do it. Like... Obsidian... Fallout Employee's = Interplay > Troika > Obsidian.
I dont mind if Bethesda uses the oblivion engine, infact i would expect it..... I dont so much mind if it sa first person roleplaying game with a character building system similar to say Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, plus the open ness of other fallout games. But for them to make it like oblivions combat, gross....
On another note: Stalker is in essence shaping up to be the sort of game i was hoping Fallout 3 to be similar to gameplay wise except with all the trademark fallout lore and way of things and with an actual character building system although that could be hard to balance.
Stalker is in essence shaping up to be the sort of game i was hoping Fallout 3 to be similar to gameplay wise except with all the trademark fallout lore and way of things and with an actual character building system although that could be hard to balance.
Please dont kill me lol. manachild
Yeah I thought the same too. STALKER seems like fallout 3 in my opinion.
[They don't even allow freedom of speech on their own forums.Planeforger
So true. I can't stand the Bethesda forums. They close any topic that criticizes them. If they'd have listened to them instead then perhaps fans wouldn't be complaining.
[QUOTE="Planeforger"][They don't even allow freedom of speech on their own forums.Lilac_Benjie
So true. I can't stand the Bethesda forums. They close any topic that criticizes them. If they'd have listened to them instead then perhaps fans wouldn't be complaining. Who dares question the great Bethesda!!! 30 years in the dungeon for you, whelp!
It pleases me to know from reading this thread that i'm not the only person who thinks oblivion sucks and is severely over-rated. The story sucks, the combat is lousy, thier attempt at a focus on an open ended game just made the game feel lonely, the life routine system kinda doesnt stand out or work no where near as well as they claimed..... and story missions after you get to cloud ruler temple are reduced to horrible errand boy missions......
I cant say i know much about the bethesda forums but i do know from a friend that at one point they had a "I quit" thread much akin to those on MMORPG forums hehe.
I was never a fan of turn-based combat (I hate when characters stand around waiting to be shot at) so I'd welcome a real-time combat syste. However, I loved the first Fallout and if they made Fallout 3 just like that, I'd still buy it. I think most Fallout fans would rather have the turn-based combat system...maybe the developers should try to appease the majority of the fans. I doubt they will do that though.
Its going to be on 360 aswell, so it will be dumbed down to the last, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Fallout that was will become an action first person shooter by the time they are done with it, perhaps with a few rpg elements tacked on.
Its going to be on 360 aswell, so it will be dumbed down to the last, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Fallout that was will become an action first person shooter by the time they are done with it, perhaps with a few rpg elements tacked on.tenaka2
[QUOTE="tenaka2"]Its going to be on 360 aswell, so it will be dumbed down to the last, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Fallout that was will become an action first person shooter by the time they are done with it, perhaps with a few rpg elements tacked on.manachild
not another invisible war :(
Damn. That game was like a pale shadow of the first. Same thing with the third Thief game.
Indeed. Invisible War is an abomination of a sequel..... Probably not a bad thing that Eidos shut ion storm down, i sorta lost faith in them after those last 2 games they put out. If only obsidian had of existed back then, they have made good on the last 2 bioware sequals that they have done. Maybe not from a stability standpoint but from gameplay.
But this is also why i think bethesda should let obsidian do fallout 3 and then bethesda publish it, because from what i know obsidian has the fallout developers these days after Troika packed up.
Give me a break. Kotor II sucked. It was a rushed, unfinished piece of crap that they shoved out on us. The npc's were annoying and worthless. They totally hacked the original story and butchered it. No the first one was great but #2 lives in the realm of crappola games. Just about every thread here, you'll find the same thing. A small number of people that liked it and a large number of them that though it was lame, and didn't deserve to wear the kotor name. Personally I hold kotor II right up there with Invisible War. Luckly I like NWN2 so they kinda redeamed themselves. Now what would be great is if both made there own versons of Fallout 3 and let the public deside which one should make Fallout 4. Now I could live with that. After all, it's competition that makes things better. If both companies knew they had to beat out the other, they'ld work harder and try to be more creative. It would be a win win situation.
Have faith. Don't you worry. Fallout 3 is going to be awesome.
wayfast
But faith in.... Bethesda! Bethesda have never developed a roleplaying game as sophisticated as Fallout. Hell, Black Isle developed Planescape: Torment. I really don't have much faith in Bethesda to top Black Isle's job.
Frankly I wouldn't care if it was 2D or 3D. I would prefer pretty graphics, just as long as it's not another Oblivion.
Have faith. Don't you worry. Fallout 3 is going to be awesome.
wayfast
So did you smoke a lot of crack today or just a little? Nah I'm joking, I hope it'll be good. I just don't see it happening with Bethesda. Even the company name, Bethesda, sounds like garbage.
[QUOTE="wallydog63"]Give me a break. Kotor II sucked. It was a rushed, unfinished piece of crap that they shoved out on us. The npc's were annoying and worthless. They totally hacked the original story and butchered it. No the first one was great but #2 lives in the realm of crappola games. Just about every thread here, you'll find the same thing. A small number of people that liked it and a large number of them that though it was lame, and didn't deserve to wear the kotor name. Personally I hold kotor II right up there with Invisible War. Luckly I like NWN2 so they kinda redeamed themselves. Now what would be great is if both made there own versons of Fallout 3 and let the public deside which one should make Fallout 4. Now I could live with that. After all, it's competition that makes things better. If both companies knew they had to beat out the other, they'ld work harder and try to be more creative. It would be a win win situation.
So because KOTORII had some bugs and a nonexistant ending, you're willing to rank it up there with Invisible War, the biggest travesty in gaming? At least Obsidian added to the gameplay of KOTOR as opposed to wholesale slaughter of many of the features that made the Deus Ex so great. Which, sadly, is a lot like we're probably going to see Bethesda do with the Fallout franchise. Yeah, lets cut out the depth, streamline all the features, and put it in a shoebox for the Xbots. Brilliant!
Your quite right about black isle. And i must say planescape torment is still the best rpg i've ever played in my life even put up against todays games.
I wonder how long its going to take bethesda to bring out fallout 3, i mean they have been busy with shivering isles.... :(
I have a hard time understanding why people are talking about Dark Messiah's combat in relation to Fallout, which is almost entirely gunplay. We should be talking about the combat in Tabula Rasa or Hellgate. Both systems sound pretty cool to me, and I think Fallout's perks and skills could translate well into either.
However, I must agree that Bethesda's track record does not inspire faith. They mistake open-ended for pointless. Both Fallout games gave you a clear goal to focus on, but let you approach that goal however you wanted. Morrowind, on the other hand, had no goal at all (haven't played Oblivion so I can't speak for it).
Worse, one of the greatest parts of Fallout was the character interaction, and that's what "The Elder Scrolls" games fail at most completely. I mean, how much less fun would Fallout 2 have been without all the arguments with Myron or the depressed dude in the deathclaw lair?
I'll reserve judgment until I see the game, but it's not looking good for the franchise.
So because KOTORII had some bugs and a nonexistant ending, you're willing to rank it up there with Invisible War, the biggest travesty in gaming? At least Obsidian added to the gameplay of KOTOR as opposed to wholesale slaughter of many of the features that made the Deus Ex so great. Which, sadly, is a lot like we're probably going to see Bethesda do with the Fallout franchise. Yeah, lets cut out the depth, streamline all the features, and put it in a shoebox for the Xbots. Brilliant! Alaris83
Obsidian didn't add to the gameplay, they made all of your party members mindless drones who believe whatever you tell them. Call me crazy, but I actually like the fact that the characters in KotOR 1 had distinct personalities. I like the fact that I can't turn Canderous into a peace-loving hippie just because I'm lightside and talk to him alot. The influence system was the reason that the characters in 2 sucked, but nobody realizes it.
They also demolished what was shaping up to be a great story, instead deciding to kill off all the jedi for no reason. I think we haven't heard any news on a 3rd KotOR because everyone's trying to figure out what the hell to do story-wise.
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