If you think Origin deletes your games, then you've got it wrong

Thank you for clarifiying the issue. Now I just want them to follow the rules Valve has created for putting a game on Steam, and put BF3 and Crysis 2 on Steam. Otherwise, I'm not buying them.

hoola

What? What is wrong with EA deciding to keep there spearhead game on there DD service. Seems more like a sensible marketing idea dont you think? Most of the reasons that people hate origin are just because they here everyone complaining about them deleting games, so they really just need to not be stupid.

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Thank you for clarifiying the issue. Now I just want them to follow the rules Valve has created for putting a game on Steam, and put BF3 and Crysis 2 on Steam. Otherwise, I'm not buying them.

deathshand707

What? What is wrong with EA deciding to keep there spearhead game on there DD service. Seems more like a sensible marketing idea dont you think? Most of the reasons that people hate origin are just because they here everyone complaining about them deleting games, so they really just need to not be stupid.

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Thank you for clarifiying the issue. Now I just want them to follow the rules Valve has created for putting a game on Steam, and put BF3 and Crysis 2 on Steam. Otherwise, I'm not buying them.

deathshand707

What? What is wrong with EA deciding to keep there spearhead game on there DD service. Seems more like a sensible marketing idea dont you think? Most of the reasons that people hate origin are just because they here everyone complaining about them deleting games, so they really just need to not be stupid.

If their goal is to push Origin, then you are right. They should keep their product exclusive to their service. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. I'm simply saying that I will not be buying those games if they are not on Steam.

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Thank you for clarifiying the issue. Now I just want them to follow the rules Valve has created for putting a game on Steam, and put BF3 and Crysis 2 on Steam. Otherwise, I'm not buying them.

hoola

What? What is wrong with EA deciding to keep there spearhead game on there DD service. Seems more like a sensible marketing idea dont you think? Most of the reasons that people hate origin are just because they here everyone complaining about them deleting games, so they really just need to not be stupid.

If their goal is to push Origin, then you are right. They should keep their product exclusive to their service. I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. I'm simply saying that I will not be buying those games if they are not on Steam.

Your going to miss out on BF3/ME3 simply because you cant be bothered to dL another client? Another client may I remind you that does not need to be running in the background? Your not even going to buy a hard copy that removes the need for the Origin client? Whats so special about having your games listed for you in one section? I am really curious as to why you are willing to forgo buying quality games simply for the sake of compilation? I love steam myself and white knight for valve anyday, but I cannot grasp this I will only dL off of steam.

Fantastic argument, EA's reputation is bad because for one day people couldn't register their DA 2, let's think about that, how common is being locked out of Steam? it happens at least once every few months.

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

Your going to miss out on BF3/ME3 simply because you cant be bothered to dL another client? Another client may I remind you that does not need to be running in the background? Your not even going to buy a hard copy that removes the need for the Origin client? Whats so special about having your games listed for you in one section? I am really curious as to why you are willing to forgo buying quality games simply for the sake of compilation? I love steam myself and white knight for valve anyday, but I cannot grasp this I will only dL off of steam.

Remmib

I might have to get BF3 retail if it never comes out for Steam, as far as ME3 goes, I'll just get that for free. Will only buy if it comes to Steam.

what will likely happen is that you buy the game, and it will just force you to install origin and use it from there, you know that right?

I remember an EA DD service that only let you download the game for 3 months unless you paid extracharmingcharlie

Fantastic argument, EA's reputation is bad because for one day people couldn't register their DA 2, let's think about that, how common is being locked out of Steam? it happens at least once every few months.

DanielDust

No, He was SUSPENDED on the forums whiched locked him out of being able to get his DLC which he BOUGHT.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

Fantastic argument, EA's reputation is bad because for one day people couldn't register their DA 2, let's think about that, how common is being locked out of Steam? it happens at least once every few months.

Ikuto_Tsukiyomi

No, He was SUSPENDED on the forums whiched locked him out of being able to get his DLC which he BOUGHT.

what will likely happen is that you buy the game, and it will just force you to install origin and use it from there, you know that right?deathshand707

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]what will likely happen is that you buy the game, and it will just force you to install origin and use it from there, you know that right?topsemag55

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

Your going to miss out on BF3/ME3 simply because you cant be bothered to dL another client? Another client may I remind you that does not need to be running in the background? Your not even going to buy a hard copy that removes the need for the Origin client? Whats so special about having your games listed for you in one section? I am really curious as to why you are willing to forgo buying quality games simply for the sake of compilation? I love steam myself and white knight for valve anyday, but I cannot grasp this I will only dL off of steam.

Remmib

I might have to get BF3 retail if it never comes out for Steam, as far as ME3 goes, I'll just get that for free. Will only buy if it comes to Steam.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

Your going to miss out on BF3/ME3 simply because you cant be bothered to dL another client? Another client may I remind you that does not need to be running in the background? Your not even going to buy a hard copy that removes the need for the Origin client? Whats so special about having your games listed for you in one section? I am really curious as to why you are willing to forgo buying quality games simply for the sake of compilation? I love steam myself and white knight for valve anyday, but I cannot grasp this I will only dL off of steam.

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

I might have to get BF3 retail if it never comes out for Steam, as far as ME3 goes, I'll just get that for free. Will only buy if it comes to Steam.

[QUOTE="Ikuto_Tsukiyomi"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

Fantastic argument, EA's reputation is bad because for one day people couldn't register their DA 2, let's think about that, how common is being locked out of Steam? it happens at least once every few months.

DanielDust

No, He was SUSPENDED on the forums whiched locked him out of being able to get his DLC which he BOUGHT.

Doesn't matter and he had no proof of not being a complete dbag. Steam actually disables accounts depending on how much of dbag somebody is. DanielDust

I don't care about Steam. The reason for which he was moderated is 'proof' enough to me that he wasn't being a 'dbag'.

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]what will likely happen is that you buy the game, and it will just force you to install origin and use it from there, you know that right?topsemag55

Its just a pretty educated guess, its what steam did when I first bought CSS quite a long time ago, and im sure its in the agenda books for origin. Dont get me wrong though, if you buy a hard copy of BF3, origin will be involved somehow.(I think). If its not, then everyone will be wrong about them and thats good.

I would love to see the day Valve goes bankrupt and watch everyone lose their games...

People would engage in mass piracy to get their games back. Modified Steam clients up everywhere... Madness. Nerds raging across the Internet. It would put a smile on my face, even if I lost my account, too.

That would be fun, if unlikely, scenario.

Doesn't matter and he had no proof of not being a complete dbag. Steam actually disables accounts depending on how much of dbag somebody is.DanielDust

What a crock of ****.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]Doesn't matter and he had no proof of not being a complete dbag. Steam actually disables accounts depending on how much of dbag somebody is.Remmib

What a crock of ****.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="deathshand707"]what will likely happen is that you buy the game, and it will just force you to install origin and use it from there, you know that right?deathshand707

Its just a pretty educated guess, its what steam did when I first bought CSS quite a long time ago, and im sure its in the agenda books for origin. Dont get me wrong though, if you buy a hard copy of BF3, origin will be involved somehow.(I think). If its not, then everyone will be wrong about them and thats good.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]What do you mean "get that for free"? You better not be doing what I think you are doing.Remmib

See my avatar? I'm not gunna buy the game if it's not on Steam, it's as simple as that. I don't buy hard copies any more and I am not splitting my library up from the one that I have been using since 2003.

If EA wants my money, they can put the game on Steam.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]What do you mean "get that for free"? You better not be doing what I think you are doing.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

See my avatar? I'm not gunna buy the game if it's not on Steam, it's as simple as that. I don't buy hard copies any more and I am not splitting my library up from the one that I have been using since 2003.

If EA wants my money, they can put the game on Steam.

Well, I'd prefer to 'get it for free' and then just send BioWare a check for the price of the game, thereby cutting EA out of the picture. I've thought about contacting DICE at some point and seeing if I can just send them the money for a copy of BF3. I do not support EA, it is an abomination of a company. It's a damned shame that great developers are under their disgraceful rule.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="Remmib"]

See my avatar? I'm not gunna buy the game if it's not on Steam, it's as simple as that. I don't buy hard copies any more and I am not splitting my library up from the one that I have been using since 2003.

If EA wants my money, they can put the game on Steam.

Remmib

Well, I'd prefer to 'get it for free' and then just send BioWare a check for the price of the game, thereby cutting EA out of the picture. I've thought about contacting DICE at some point and seeing if I can just send them the money for a copy of BF3. I do not support EA, it is an abomination of a company. It's a damned shame that great developers are under their disgraceful rule.

You would still be using the EA system for patches and DLC (free or otherwise).the_ChEeSe_mAn2

That's what I am afraid of happening with the retail copy of BF3.

Screw Origin and screw EA. Imagine if every publisher had its own client that you had to download to access their digital distribution catalog. That would suck so bad. Steam does it fine, and there's no reason for companies to start pulling their games and making their own clients. It defeats the purpose of convenience just for the sake of trying to make a few more bucks.

Screw Origin and screw EA. Imagine if every publisher had its own client that you had to download to access their digital distribution catalog. That would suck so bad. Steam does it fine, and there's no reason for companies to start pulling their games and making their own clients. It defeats the purpose of convenience just for the sake of trying to make a few more bucks.

xLittlekillx

I would love to see the day Valve goes bankrupt and watch everyone lose their games...

The_Capitalist

Personally I welcome the competition but I love Steam. It would have to be a pretty spectacular game for me to bother going outside of Steam to get it, should it not be sold on Steam. Valve in general are a company gamers respect and like because of their ingenuity, superb games and Steam of course. EA are broadly disliked by most games for generally having a negative effect on any games developer they buy. It's irrelevant whether EA had some sort of obscure store or not before Steam, no one cared or knew about it and Steam is the king of DD. So if EA now come in and say our games will only be sold on Origin, it is going to look like they are restricting the consumer and that's even more negative publicity for a company most people don't really like anyway. There is going to be a backlash and I'm sure there will be a lot of gamers who might very well feel righteous pirating EA's games because they have removed them from Steam.

EA are big and powerful, but Valve is incredibly profitable and has a far superior reputation. Unless EA buys up every decent games developer out there, I just don't see how they win this one. Steam are too firmly established and Valve has certain advantages, such as not having to play to shareholders.

There is going to be a backlashiamrob7

[QUOTE="iamrob7"]There is going to be a backlashtopsemag55

There are a lot of Steam users, so that's a pretty major problem. Not to mention that those users are probably a very large % of the people who would be getting DD games.

Aside from that, people generally dislike EA anyway, Steam users or not, they are just a very unpopular company. If SW: TOR is a big hit, then it might catapult Origins to the forefront. If it isn't then I think EA are going to have a hard time, multiplayer games are essentially the only way they will draw people to Origins. Bioware used to be an exalted name, but since EA took over even that has slipped a little.

EA is actually pretty much on top, what happens on forums isn't actually how the "real world" rolls. Forums are not a tool to appreciate what company is more famous, better or what games sell more or less.DanielDust

As I said, I'm aware of EA's size and I'm aware they probably make the most money of any games publisher/developer. That's got nothing to do with their reputation/popularity, which is built entirely upon the opinions of their consumers, i.e. gamers. Those are the people who frequent the forums, so what is said and what you see almost everywhere is a fairly common disdain for EA and in some cases an outright dislike for them. Some of their developers are popular, such as Bioware/DICE and people want to buy their games but Origins is an EA product and EA are about as unpopular as any games company out there.

The point is that because they are so unpopular with gamers, they are going to have to work very hard to bring people over to Origins. Gamers won't come simply by choice, because many don't like EA, they will have to be bribed and bribed well.

They are so large/profitable because lot's of people enjoy the games they make...that has everything to do with reputation and popularity. Video game forums do not represent the entirety of gamers and the consumer base as a whole.Renevent42

Not really, they are primarily a publisher and they are large and successful because they bought and own successful games developers. When gamers think of Mass Effect for instance, they don't think of EA, they think of Bioware. Likewise for any popular EA owned game, Crytek, sims studio etc etc. When gamers think of a disaster like C&C4, they think of EA though. They are an unpopular and generally disliked brand. That has nothing to do with the developers they have bought who might be popular for the games they make in their own right. Origins is not made by one of their developers and it isn't a game, it is an EA product, EA themselves are probably the least popular and most disliked brand in gaming today. In many ways the polar opposite of Valve.

Still not a valid point, EA's games are the most popular from the companies they own, no matter if "you" hate them since this is the problem here, Sims, FIFA, NFL, etc, sell millions easily, it's not about anything, EA is popular, it's as simple as that, that they strictly publish Crytek games and they recently purchased Bioware and other devs recently, that's irrelevant, they're only more popular that the insanely popular they were before.DanielDust

Doesn't the CD-Key expires after a year???, i heard it somewhere in GS and other forums

Who the @#$# thinks its a good idea to delete people's games because they're idle?

Drazule

people that don't want to waste finite resources on people that, frankly, simply do not play video games.

EA had the EADM prior to Origin, since EA had a store before Steam, they were first. Publishers don't have to make agreements to license their games to other resellers. A publisher can pull Steam's license anytime they want if an agreement isn't followed.topsemag55

Steam was released on the 21st September 2003 are you telling me that EA had a digital download store earlier than that ? Because I would like to see some proof of that.

Doesn't the CD-Key expires after a year???, i heard it somewhere in GS and other forums

guildclaws

Still not a valid point, EA's games are the most popular from the companies they own, no matter if "you" hate them since this is the problem here, Sims, FIFA, NFL, etc, sell millions easily, it's not about anything, EA is popular, it's as simple as that, that they strictly publish Crytek games and they recently purchased Bioware and other devs recently, that's irrelevant, they're only more popular that the insanely popular they were before.DanielDust

First of all, read my posts, I don't hate EA at all. I welcome the a competitive marketplace because it provides me choice as a consumer. If you had read the posts you would understand what was said, rather than be confused and talk about EA selling lots of games which has nothing whatsoever to do with what I am talking about. Their reputation with gamers is not good at all, they are generally regarded as buying good games developers and dragging them down, harming their franchises.

It seems to me you are too busy feeling like you have to defend EA. I am not attacking EA, I couldn't care less about them. I am talking about their reputation and how that effects Origins. You don't seem to understand the conversation or debate at hand at all. Try to read first, then think, then respond. Otherwise you end up responding in the entirely inaccurate and irrelevant way you have done.

Hate them as in their games, you obviously don't care about EA's games, that's exactly what you said since you didn't even consider the biggest money makers from EA, those aren't made by Bioware or freshly purchased devs, it's them and their core studios, Maxis and Dice.

What you seem to not understand is that you're pointlessly talking about reputation when it's flawless, forums are all, absolutely all about hate, or did you not understand yet after years? what you see on forums is of absolutely no relevance to what actually happens "out there".

There's two ways to sell games, making good games and getting some sales and maybe get lucky with some titles, and being popular, popularity gives you more money with less effort, not all of EA's games and games created by devs owned by EA are great and not all of them sell great, but anything "they" put out easily makes money, be it good or bad, because they are popular, just like Activision.

Your opinion is not the universal truth about EA's reputation...there's tons of people who do like them and regard the company positively and the games they make as well. There's people who hate Valve as well...the same with any company. Reputation is all dependent on who you ask. The fact is EA is a highly successful company with millions of people who play and enjoy their games worldwide. You may not like them, and in certain circles they have a poor reputation, however, that is not a universal truth.Renevent42

It's not my opinion, like I said, I couldn't care less about EA. I have no opinion on them whatsoever. I'm talking about what I observe and what is prevalent on any gaming site I've visited. A general disdain for EA, born out of EA damaging (in the various fans eyes) well loved franchises. You might disagree with their opinion, but from what I've seen you would be in the minority and even if you weren't, there are still a lot of people who do not like EA. That's a handicap that Valve does not have. In terms of reputation with gamers Valve has a considerable advantage.