IW Responds to Boycott! UPDATE: BL Welcomes New Overlords!!

"It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

I like that line the most lol. They are just trying to set up a system where they will be able to sell all the DLC and not let people make custom maps, mods etc. It's pretty lame that the devs are trying to push the console style crap on PC gamers, but I can't say that I didn't see this coming.

These people are simply out of touch with the PC community. It'll be their own fault when this winds up a ghost town on the PC, but I'm sure it'll just get blamed on piracy.

myke2010

even if they put the dedicated server and modability back to the game, I won't buy it. I never buy stuff from dev who piss off the fan with middle finger, and later try to win them back because they realized that the fan they kicked away were the one that supports truly.

I hope that Treyarch doesn't follow the path of Modern Warfare. k0r3aN_pR1d3

It would not surprise me if they did. I think Activision has as much to do with this move as IW. Blizzard has its revamped Battle.net. IW has something that looks very similar called IW.net. Bobby Kotick wants yearly franchises where they can push constant DLC, and is the one behind the price hike to $60.

Given the culture at Activision now, it would be somewhat surprising if Treyarch didn't use IW.net for their next game (or something similar).

This is all about consumer lock-in now, so they can charge for DLC. I've tried to point this out before, but IW really doesn't care about clans or modders, or the communities that have grown up around them, because they are the people who have been most vocal in the past and given IW the most problems. So now they are getting rid of that portion of their audience in one fell swoop, and will focus on nickel and diming casual players. They will not lose any money over this, because of the price hike and then being able to charge for DLC.

But don't just think this is confined to IW or Activision. All publishers are 'testing the waters' with P2P match-making and their own network setups. Codemasters have tried it with OpFlash 2. Valve tried it with L4D. EA tried it with MoH: Airborne. Ubisoft tried it with Far Cry 2. Monolith tried it with FEAR 2. And there will be more over the next few years.

Yes, the MP is dead for some of those games, so they were experiments that failed. But this is the way the whole industry wants to go, to move the X360 gaming model lock, stock and barrel over to the PC platform. They can make more money by charging extra for the core game, and strip out planned content to use for selling DLC. In order to do that, you have to kill off the modding community (their 'competition'). Kill off the competitive community as well, and there won't be anyone raising 'embarrassing issues' about your game either.

The publishers are thinking long-term, and they know there will be casualties along the way.

It's also not fair to critize a system you've yet to use and see. There could be options that allow you to specify the type of hosting, min/max number of players, max latency, and a few other little things that make it a little more user friendly. As I said dedicated is hands down better no doubt, but this certainly isn't going to detract from the game play especially since we've yet to really see it in action.

MadCat46

The less info we get the worse its likely to be.

I don`t give a toss about the dedicated servers. I just hope the SP campaign is a bit longer than the previous game (which i still loved btw)

[QUOTE="k0r3aN_pR1d3"]I hope that Treyarch doesn't follow the path of Modern Warfare. RobertBowen

It would not surprise me if they did. I think Activision has as much to do with this move as IW. Blizzard has its revamped Battle.net. IW has something that looks very similar called IW.net. Bobby Kotick wants yearly franchises where they can push constant DLC, and is the one behind the price hike to $60.

Given the culture at Activision now, it would be somewhat surprising if Treyarch didn't use IW.net for their next game (or something similar).

This is all about consumer lock-in now, so they can charge for DLC. I've tried to point this out before, but IW really doesn't care about clans or modders, or the communities that have grown up around them, because they are the people who have been most vocal in the past and given IW the most problems. So now they are getting rid of that portion of their audience in one fell swoop, and will focus on nickel and diming casual players. They will not lose any money over this, because of the price hike and then being able to charge for DLC.

But don't just think this is confined to IW or Activision. All publishers are 'testing the waters' with P2P match-making and their own network setups. Codemasters have tried it with OpFlash 2. Valve tried it with L4D. EA tried it with MoH: Airborne. Ubisoft tried it with Far Cry 2. Monolith tried it with FEAR 2. And there will be more over the next few years.

Yes, the MP is dead for some of those games, so they were experiments that failed. But this is the way the whole industry wants to go, to move the X360 gaming model lock, stock and barrel over to the PC platform. They can make more money by charging extra for the core game, and strip out planned content to use for selling DLC. In order to do that, you have to kill off the modding community (their 'competition'). Kill off the competitive community as well, and there won't be anyone raising 'embarrassing issues' about your game either.

The publishers are thinking long-term, and they know there will be casualties along the way.

I don`t give a toss about the dedicated servers. I just hope the SP campaign is a bit longer than the previous game (which i still loved btw)

robertlie

they said it won't be

but you get the spec ops mode which is atleast as long or longer than the SP (a lot longer if you go for all the 69 stars (that means beating each mission on veteran), so in all you get atleast 2x the amount of SP expirance you got from CoD4 (since you can play spec ops alone or with a friend if you want to)

Right about now would be a fantastic time to announce the next Counterstrike from Valve, or anything at this point with strong Community backed features. The absence of MW2 on PC is going to leave a huge void in the genre online and especially in the competitive arena. Has anyone else noticed that alot of current MW servers are coming down? I guess most were planning on MW2, wonder if some of them will ever be coming back. What happens when IW shuts down the Master Servers in a year for MW1? Wouldn't surprise me in the least after these latest developments. Activision is going to do everything possible to move people over to MW2. So far, they are doing a terrible job at it on PC. mismajor99

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Right about now would be a fantastic time to announce the next Counterstrike from Valve, or anything at this point with strong Community backed features. The absence of MW2 on PC is going to leave a huge void in the genre online and especially in the competitive arena. Has anyone else noticed that alot of current MW servers are coming down? I guess most were planning on MW2, wonder if some of them will ever be coming back. What happens when IW shuts down the Master Servers in a year for MW1? Wouldn't surprise me in the least after these latest developments. Activision is going to do everything possible to move people over to MW2. So far, they are doing a terrible job at it on PC. biggest_loser

Bull, P2P networking will kill the community before it can even begin to develop, everyone who buys the game on PC for the multiplayer will quickly move back to their previous game or move on to another game.

You think there is a lot of anger in the PC community now? Wait till people actually get the game in hand and see what a disaster the online is.

[QUOTE="mirgamer"][QUOTE="MadCat46"] There is a difference though between not liking and going ape s*** over something minute. This, a lot like the L4D2 thing, is getting blown way out of proportion. Dedicated servers are better no doubt, but not having those doesn't really detract from the actual value of this type of game. In reality the only thing you lose are mods, you can still set up private servers for you and your buddies and to a degree there will still be options to customize servers as well as the ability to specify what server settings you'd like to play on when going to join. Mods were never a big or crucial part of MW or WaW, look at the server list and you'll see about 3/4th of the servers are stock lock vanilla. Like I said, dedicated are no doubt better, but this really shouldn't be a deal breaker unless you were already swaying on the edge, let alone petitions and boycotts.MadCat46

I find it funny though that they think the casual player that partly buys it for its popularity rather then being a supporter of the game and deadicated to making it big are getting all the attention, when its the core players that support it, build upon it and help it are the ones that are getting the big fist in the face. Its all about money $$ as they dont give a sh*t about the players that truely are deadicated to the game as i can tell you with a 100% fact that the people that will be playing it way after release will be hardcore players, clan players and modders all of which are getting the bad news.

as far as the mods go, all i really care about for this game (mod wise) are the maps... i get tired of a stagnated, small, limited number of maps.. if they have a decently steady flow of dlc maps, then this wont be a problem.

but everytime we are promised dlc maps, we get like 1 freaking map pack.... hopefully IW wont forget about us.....

as far as weapon mods and killstreak mods, and all, even without mods this game has plenty of weapons and custom killstreaks, way more than cod4 mw , so that wont be a problem...

the only problem with removing the dedicated servers i see, is increased latency.. which hopefully IW has thought about this and has something that will keep it from happening, i really dont want to be in thousands of laggy rooms.

but if it has steady flow of dlc maps.. and the latency is pretty good... then im all in.. especially after i get my phenom II 940 quad core cpu.

also on the up-side, this will help people find rooms worth playing in... alot of servers dedicated or not on cod4 mw are not worth playing in... with all the rude people, or cheaters, or just unintruiging mods.

also there is no getting banned for being good (has happened to me alot, get kicked and banned for winning)...

alot of "hardcore players" have this mentality... (if someone is better than me, they cheat, if they are not as good as me, they are a noob.) not all hardcore players, im a hardcore player, but i lose from time to time, fair and square.

not to mention this will help cut down on cheating as well, i think..... i hope.

i just hope their is a decent number of maps, and dlc maps, and decent latency, and i will get it.

There are some inaccuracies here. Developers like IW do care for the mod community, however for economic reasons this is a situation of priorities.

OoSuperMarioO

I think IW used to care a lot more about the mod community than they do currently. But with each consecutive release of their games they made modding slightly harder to accomplish. To their credit, they did start a wiki to assist with modding of CoD 4 which was needed because of the changes they had made to the structure of the game, but the modding community had to fight hard for that kind of support.

As for 'economic' reasons, they are not exactly short of cash due to the success of the CoD series across all platforms, piracy or no piracy, and raising the price by $10 alone would have given them a better profit margin.

Anyway, I don't know why people are surprised that IW has done this. The community had to raise hell when CoD 2 didn't have PB support out of the box, and IW dragged their heels for six months before adding it (along with server redirect which was essential for downloading mods). All their marketing around CoD 4 was console-focused with barely a mention of the PC, and they would never give straight answers regarding the PC version.

Their attitude (especially from the top) has become increasingly arrogant over the years, and now their remarks in the GameInformer interview are pretty clearly sneering at PC gamers as a whole. Some of their remarks are either intentional BS (like the complainers all working for GSPs) or they are truly deluded.

Their attitude (especially from the top) has become increasingly arrogant over the years, and now their remarks in the GameInformer interview are pretty clearly sneering at PC gamers as a whole. Some of their remarks are either intentional BS (like the complainers all working for GSPs) or they are truly deluded.RobertBowen

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="mismajor99"]Right about now would be a fantastic time to announce the next Counterstrike from Valve, or anything at this point with strong Community backed features. The absence of MW2 on PC is going to leave a huge void in the genre online and especially in the competitive arena. Has anyone else noticed that alot of current MW servers are coming down? I guess most were planning on MW2, wonder if some of them will ever be coming back. What happens when IW shuts down the Master Servers in a year for MW1? Wouldn't surprise me in the least after these latest developments. Activision is going to do everything possible to move people over to MW2. So far, they are doing a terrible job at it on PC. zipozal

Bull, P2P networking will kill the community before it can even begin to develop, everyone who buys the game on PC for the multiplayer will quickly move back to their previous game or move on to another game.

You think there is a lot of anger in the PC community now? Wait till people actually get the game in hand and see what a disaster the online is.

[QUOTE="zipozal"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"] The absence? Although the petition people have their annual general meeting, the masses are still going to play this game online my friend. biggest_loser

Bull, P2P networking will kill the community before it can even begin to develop, everyone who buys the game on PC for the multiplayer will quickly move back to their previous game or move on to another game.

You think there is a lot of anger in the PC community now? Wait till people actually get the game in hand and see what a disaster the online is.

Wrong, remember when you launched a game in L4D? Remember you had to wait a various amount of time ranging from a few seconds to several seconds?

Well if you payed attention you could have noticed in the lobby it said "SEARCHING FOR DEDICATED SERVER"

So in fact you may have never played a P2P game of L4D ever. Not to say you can't the host can skip the search and do a P2P game.

Everytime this happens though the game is usually laggy to an unplayable level, in fact if you payed attention in L4D you would know that whenever a lobby host would skip the dedicated server search and opt to P2P the game a few people will leave as the game is launching which has a momentum effect that usually leaves to everyone abandoning the game you just loaded up before the survivors can leave the safe zone.

If you have L4D you can go try this out for yourself right this second as a matter of fact

To do this

Step One = Get a lobby filled with people

Step Two = Begin a server search

Step Three = Cancel the server search

Upon canceling the server search the game will ask you a yes or no question which says "Do you want to host this locally (P2P)"

Hit yes

Upon clicking yes there will be a 10 second countdown, this countdown is to let the players in the lobby know you have opted to start a P2P server.

This alone will probably lead to a few of the people leaving before the countdown finishes

Those left over will leave as soon as the level loads up.

They leave because they know from past experience P2P = LAG FEST!

There is only ONE right way to play Call of Duty games. And this is Tactical Realism rulesets (applied to vanilla COD # and enforced by clan server admins with an iron fist), or the same coupled with Tactical Realism mods. With that gone... there is no reason to buy the game.

If I wanted to play with a bunch of run and gun 13 year olds who call me a "N*****" when I shot them in the crotch I would own a console.

Petition signed, pre-order canceled.

And here's hoping EA/DICE (despite their shaky reputation) can put their money where their mouth is because nothing else is on the horizion:

DICE executive producer KM Troedsson has backed dedicated servers. "Dedicated servers FTW. What ever secures a better online experience is a given for us," Tweeted Troedsson.

IW don't want you to be playing this game for long. They want you to buy it at launch, buy 2 or 3 dlc packs to keep your interest going, then fork out again for the next iteration. Playing the same game for 2 years doesn't bring in anymore cash for them.

I used to be a hardcore 360 player before I 'grew up' if you like and moved to pc and I will never buy anymore dlc or pay extra to play online. There is not one single dlc that could not be done by the community for free, including things like Fallout 3 expansions. The average pc gamer is quite older than the average console gamer and I can't see many of them paying to dress up their avatar doll and what not.

Console owners have no choice to eat this crap as they have a system that is locked down by the manufacturer and they've never known any different. I equate my pc with freedom and choice, so I'll choose to spend my money on something else.

IW don't want you to be playing this game for long. They want you to buy it at launch, buy 2 or 3 dlc packs to keep your interest going, then fork out again for the next iteration. Playing the same game for 2 years doesn't bring in anymore cash for them.

Full_Of_Stars

Exactly. COD is now a yearly franchise. So by the time the next game comes out, they want players to be hungry for more. So there will be a few DLC map packs at most to keep it interesting for 12 months, then they'll drop it in favour of MW 3. Recycle, rinse and repeat.

Wrong, remember when you launched a game in L4D? Remember you had to wait a various amount of time ranging from a few seconds to several seconds?

Well if you payed attention you could have noticed in the lobby it said "SEARCHING FOR DEDICATED SERVER"

So in fact you may have never played a P2P game of L4D ever. Not to say you can't the host can skip the search and do a P2P game.

Everytime this happens though the game is usually laggy to an unplayable level, in fact if you payed attention in L4D you would know that whenever a lobby host would skip the dedicated server search and opt to P2P the game a few people will leave as the game is launching which has a momentum effect that usually leaves to everyone abandoning the game you just loaded up before the survivors can leave the safe zone.

If you have L4D you can go try this out for yourself right this second as a matter of fact

To do this

Step One = Get a lobby filled with people

Step Two = Begin a server search

Step Three = Cancel the server search

Upon canceling the server search the game will ask you a yes or no question which says "Do you want to host this locally (P2P)"

Hit yes

Upon clicking yes there will be a 10 second countdown, this countdown is to let the players in the lobby know you have opted to start a P2P server.

This alone will probably lead to a few of the people leaving before the countdown finishes

Those left over will leave as soon as the level loads up.

They leave because they know from past experience P2P = LAG FEST!

zipozal

YES Sir!! :|

My problem is not the new maps, zombie mods, stupid realism mods. If i was bothered about those things, i'd play a different game

However what they have done is in one sweep kill the competitive community, without the ability to mod the game to allow tournament play there is going to be no opportunity to compete.

I wonder whats going to happen to the pro scene now, re-kindle COD4 or go stagnant for a while?

Well if the PC makes no sales they are going to blame piracy and then they will stop making PC games altogether. They have abandoned where they came from and the people that have built them and made them so HUGE. They wwill come to regret this...

My problem is not the new maps, zombie mods, stupid realism mods. If i was bothered about those things, i'd play a different game

However what they have done is in one sweep kill the competitive community, without the ability to mod the game to allow tournament play there is going to be no opportunity to compete.

I wonder whats going to happen to the pro scene now, re-kindle COD4 or go stagnant for a while?

Abhors3n

[QUOTE="Abhors3n"]

My problem is not the new maps, zombie mods, stupid realism mods. If i was bothered about those things, i'd play a different game

However what they have done is in one sweep kill the competitive community, without the ability to mod the game to allow tournament play there is going to be no opportunity to compete.

I wonder whats going to happen to the pro scene now, re-kindle COD4 or go stagnant for a while?

biggest_loser

Bull, P2P networking will kill the community before it can even begin to developzipozal

DoW2 is quite alive last time I checked, with a quite healthy community centered around few specifix forums and it uses gfwl out of all the p2p systems

[QUOTE="zipozal"]Bull, P2P networking will kill the community before it can even begin to developEnosh88

DoW2 is quite alive last time I checked, with a quite healthy community centered around few specifix forums and it uses gfwl out of all the p2p systems

[QUOTE="Enosh88"]

[QUOTE="zipozal"]Bull, P2P networking will kill the community before it can even begin to developKHAndAnime

DoW2 is quite alive last time I checked, with a quite healthy community centered around few specifix forums and it uses gfwl out of all the p2p systems

world in conflict & XIII century use dedicated servers

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Enosh88"]

DoW2 is quite alive last time I checked, with a quite healthy community centered around few specifix forums and it uses gfwl out of all the p2p systems

simardbrad

world in conflict & XIII century use dedicated servers

[QUOTE="Abhors3n"]

My problem is not the new maps, zombie mods, stupid realism mods. If i was bothered about those things, i'd play a different game

However what they have done is in one sweep kill the competitive community, without the ability to mod the game to allow tournament play there is going to be no opportunity to compete.

I wonder whats going to happen to the pro scene now, re-kindle COD4 or go stagnant for a while?

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="simardbrad"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] I've never heard of an RTS that isn't P2P.KHAndAnime

world in conflict & XIII century use dedicated servers

Any of the deeply wrong players that agree with the pity IW excuses and are planning to buy the game had a game system and Internet connection capable to sustain matches of 32 players 24/7?

MW 2 mp will be a ghost town in less than a couple of months, as you can expect about any fps online based in communities and permanent IPs and stable communications that only dedicated servers and mods tools can provide. What dedicated servers provide is PLACE. Without them there's no place, no future, no game. And of course, IWNET for MW 2 till be taked down replaced for MW 3 the first day. Fortunately, MW 2 will not be alive the time enough to assure a new PC title.

A interesting point of view by a very interesting player:

Re: To IW: The following clans have decided not to play MW2

Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:57 am
We at http://www.codutility.com host for download over 3,250 user created maps for COD1, UO, COD2, COD4, World at War, and sniper-only maps for those games as well. We aren't a clan but we are encouraging our 50,000+ registered members to boycott MW2. Our poll asking if people will cancel their pre-orders or not buy the game is over 1100.


For those -confused- by the reaction of the community, I will try to explain. With consoles, atleast for the COD series, you have no mod tools, no map making tools. And that's the way it's been and people are used to it, and deal with it because they have NO other choice.

Player hosted matches fail miserably, because residential internet connections typically don't have the capability of handling more than a few player connections, and pings to residential IPs are always horrible. Try hosting a 30+ player match from your home, there's a reason dedicated servers are popular. Also, PC's vary immensely, so while a bunch of PS3 or xbox players are on equal ground, a game hosted by a player on a pc is going to vary in performance based on their system. Which, until now, wasn't an issue. People with 5 year old computers could play the same game as people with the latest and greatest hardware, and be on a fairly level playing field.

Since COD1, and even PC games before that, we were allowed to create our own maps and mods. Which is a great thing for the community and the games creator. It allows us to make what we want out of the game, and it off loads a huge burden from the creators because they don't have much demand for putting out new maps or updates, except fixes for things that only they can fix (patches). This system has worked for years, even when World at War came out kinda messed up, the community pulled together and found ways around issues. Keeping with the same series from COD1 through COD4 has also helped when it comes to creating mods and maps, as the changes to each game are usually smooth, and makes it easy to take something from COD1 and make it work with COD4. If there had been major changes to the games architecture, and the tools changed or the coding changed for the modders, it wouldn't be so much of an issue. But that's not the case here, we're just being told, "You can't do it, we won't let you. And BTW, you now have to pay for any content we put out".

IW is catering to the players who don't know any better, the players who have never played COD4, brought up their server filter and changed Mods: NO to Mods: YES. By default it filters out modded servers, and it's amazing how many people don't know that.

IW is catering to the players who spend the money buying the game but don't support it in anyway. The people who mod, map, admin servers, run clans, etc get screwed because we're a tiny percentage of the community. Well, maybe we're not that small after all.


Of the 13 million or so copies sold for COD4, if only 14% were PC, that's 1,820,000 copies sold to PC users. At retail, I think it was 50 bucks or so, that's 91 million dollars. If these numbers were to hold true for MW2, and I think with all the hype and popularity of COD4 it might have gone up, that's almost 110 million dollars in sales. So if even 1 out of 4 of the PC users (455,000) decides not to buy MW2 for whatever reason, that's $27,300,000 in lost revenue. If that 27.3 million dollar figure is even slightly close to being true, I hope steam is paying you (IW) a lot of money. Because you're gambling a lot of money on a system for people that hate that system (the non-dedicated, match making system). But I'm sure your console sales will cover the small loses from your PC sales.

IW, nor any other game creator/publisher can even try to compete with what the community has done with these COD titles. Dozens of mods,thousands of custom servers, thousands of maps, all available for FREE. But they're gonna try, and they're gonna charge us for what we have been doing free for years.


For those that would like to know, and I guess for console users that don't know what they're missing, here are a list of mods and other websites you might find interesting or useful.




ACE (cod4) - http://www.wildcardonline.nl/

X4 - http://mycallofduty.com/

openwarfare - http://openwarfaremod.com/owforum/portal.php

alienmod 2.2 - http://www.mapmodnews.com/article.php/C ... en-mod-2.2

SVR Mod (CoD:UO, CoD4/5) - http://www.fileswap.com/share/?id=319e3 ... 7731ccf024

modernpaintball 2.0 - http://modernpaintball.net/

damn - http://files.filefront.com/damn+mw+060F ... einfo.html

pam4 - http://wormsworld.net/

promod - http://www.cod4promod.com/

PezBot 5 - http://files.filefront.com/PeZBOT+005pz ... einfo.html

tactical night mod - http://news.filefront.com/tactical-nigh ... of-duty-4/

fkmod - http://fkmod.com/forums/

zombies - http://www.cod4zombies.com/

k3 mod - http://files.filefront.com/k3+1+4zip/;1 ... einfo.html

Custom Maps: http://www.codutility.com

Modding/Mapping help: http://www.modsonline.com, and many many others. try using google.

http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=125310&start=310

Wow, definitely boycotting this now.HOMIE_G64

me too

all the examples given by IW are either lies, excuses, or not significant enough to matter.

"Oh its OK, we are just bring PC gaming down to the level of console gaming" is not a valid reason. You do not cripple one side of the community to make it easier for you; you bring the other side up the the level. To do otherwise is just lazy

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="simardbrad"]

world in conflict & XIII century use dedicated servers

johnny27

[QUOTE="HOMIE_G64"]Wow, definitely boycotting this now.mrbojangles25

me too

all the examples given by IW are either lies, excuses, or not significant enough to matter.

"Oh its OK, we are just bring PC gaming down to the level of console gaming" is not a valid reason. You do not cripple one side of the community to make it easier for you; you bring the other side up the the level. To do otherwise is just lazy

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="HOMIE_G64"]Wow, definitely boycotting this now.Swiftstrike5

me too

all the examples given by IW are either lies, excuses, or not significant enough to matter.

"Oh its OK, we are just bring PC gaming down to the level of console gaming" is not a valid reason. You do not cripple one side of the community to make it easier for you; you bring the other side up the the level. To do otherwise is just lazy

ahh yeah host advantage, i remember Geow suffered from that pretty bad online.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="Abhors3n"]

My problem is not the new maps, zombie mods, stupid realism mods. If i was bothered about those things, i'd play a different game

However what they have done is in one sweep kill the competitive community, without the ability to mod the game to allow tournament play there is going to be no opportunity to compete.

I wonder whats going to happen to the pro scene now, re-kindle COD4 or go stagnant for a while?

drg0nzo1

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="HOMIE_G64"]Wow, definitely boycotting this now.Swiftstrike5

me too

all the examples given by IW are either lies, excuses, or not significant enough to matter.

"Oh its OK, we are just bring PC gaming down to the level of console gaming" is not a valid reason. You do not cripple one side of the community to make it easier for you; you bring the other side up the the level. To do otherwise is just lazy

and this is specifically why I refuse to buy a console.

I mean, the only reason I will tolerate playing on a console is the social aspect; you are usually sitting there with a friend/s and talking, so the wait isnt that bad. In my case, I am usually playing co-op as online sucks so much compared to PC.

I just find it funny in all these articles about IW, some of the replies (not here, but on the other sites) are calling us elitists or ignorant. I want to scream "Dont you understand how much better things could be for everyone? Instead, theyre making things the same for you and dragging us to your level, instead of the opposite!"

I've decided. Sorry IW, I won't buy this game. For sure.thusaha

[QUOTE="thusaha"]I've decided. Sorry IW, I won't buy this game. For sure.biggest_loser

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

me too

all the examples given by IW are either lies, excuses, or not significant enough to matter.

"Oh its OK, we are just bring PC gaming down to the level of console gaming" is not a valid reason. You do not cripple one side of the community to make it easier for you; you bring the other side up the the level. To do otherwise is just lazy

mrbojangles25

and this is specifically why I refuse to buy a console.

I mean, the only reason I will tolerate playing on a console is the social aspect; you are usually sitting there with a friend/s and talking, so the wait isnt that bad. In my case, I am usually playing co-op as online sucks so much compared to PC.

I just find it funny in all these articles about IW, some of the replies (not here, but on the other sites) are calling us elitists or ignorant. I want to scream "Dont you understand how much better things could be for everyone? Instead, theyre making things the same for you and dragging us to your level, instead of the opposite!"

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[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"] Every time I play xbox with my friends, it's like a guessing game on whose got the host advantage. I don't know how they stand it...HOMIE_G64

and this is specifically why I refuse to buy a console.

I mean, the only reason I will tolerate playing on a console is the social aspect; you are usually sitting there with a friend/s and talking, so the wait isnt that bad. In my case, I am usually playing co-op as online sucks so much compared to PC.

I just find it funny in all these articles about IW, some of the replies (not here, but on the other sites) are calling us elitists or ignorant. I want to scream "Dont you understand how much better things could be for everyone? Instead, theyre making things the same for you and dragging us to your level, instead of the opposite!"

when will the insanity stop when i ask ya when