Leaked Battlefield 3 info from Game Informer!!! Updated with more info.

Killcams suck. Why is it acceptable to show the enemy where you killed them from? That's just stupid. They are just going to go back and kill you. It's really dumb.SF_KiLLaMaN

It's all about pacing. Killcams really eliminate hardcore camping and force players to be more mobile. Also this isn't CoD, the spawns aren't going to be 20 meters apart. These maps are going to have to be huge to support jets and 64 players.

They haven't even talked about their squad system yet. I wouldn't worry about it. It's nice to see how you got killed, leaves a lot of the guessing out.

No, I want to play battlefield. If the call of duty games can create a robust multiplayer component and an epic single player campaign, then I'm sure DICE can as well. They can at least try, and I'm glad that they are.

Also, nothing wrong with killcam, especially considering how well it was done in BC2.

JangoWuzHere

I've never seen the killcam in BC2. I only play in hardcore servers and they always turn it off because it's lame/cheap/unrealistic.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

No, I want to play battlefield. If the call of duty games can create a robust multiplayer component and an epic single player campaign, then I'm sure DICE can as well. They can at least try, and I'm glad that they are.

Also, nothing wrong with killcam, especially considering how well it was done in BC2.

Remmib

I've never seen the killcam in BC2. I only play in hardcore servers and they always turn it off because it's lame/cheap/unrealistic.

It's none of those...

Hardcore servers are pointless. They reward camping and cheap tactics and a more emphasis on lone wolfing. I've seen a single medic take out 2 squads with a single belt of ammo. How can you use teamwork in a situation like that?

Not even Battlefield 2 had that kind of crap. The emphasis was on teamwork.

I guess if you like camping in a building far away and picking people off with single-shot kills from a sniper rifle, then yes you would love hardcore.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

Yeah, but BF games have NEVER been about the singleplayer campaign. It's a waste of time and resources. You're the only person who wants a singleplayer campaign.

Killcam is for fairies.

SF_KiLLaMaN

I don't think its a waste of time, how much time and effort can you really put into a multiplayer component? I want memorable package, not a sport activity.

Killcams are awesome by the way.

I want to at least know how I got killed, I never liked the fact that I simply dropped dead if I got shot in BF2. The killcam in BC2 does not show you were you got shot from, only a small hint of were he/she is.

one word wargasm...

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

No, I want to play battlefield. If the call of duty games can create a robust multiplayer component and an epic single player campaign, then I'm sure DICE can as well. They can at least try, and I'm glad that they are.

Also, nothing wrong with killcam, especially considering how well it was done in BC2.

Remmib

I've never seen the killcam in BC2. I only play in hardcore servers and they always turn it off because it's lame/cheap/unrealistic.

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you, you think kill cams are noob, yet you play on hardcore servers? There is nothing "pro" or "skilled play" playing on hardcore.

Hopefully its optimizedbetter than Bad Company 2 which requires top of the line cards sli'd or crossfired for 60+ plus fps.

Cranler

No it doesn't. You're delusional if you think a 5770 is top of the line.

It's none of those...

Hardcore servers are pointless. They reward camping and cheap tactics and a more emphasis on lone wolfing. I've seen a single medic take out 2 squads with a single belt of ammo. How can you use teamwork in a situation like that?

Not even Battlefield 2 had that kind of crap. The emphasis was on teamwork.

I guess if you like camping in a building far away and picking people off with single-shot kills from a sniper rifle, then yes you would love hardcore.

Wasdie

It's all of those. It's a fact. Disabling killcam does not reward camping, it rewards strategic play. Also there is nothing wrong with camping, it is a valid tactic; unless there is an objective that needs to be taken and your team is just sitting back and camping (rush mode), then there is a problem with it. I don't know where you're going with the medic situation. Is it his fault he is good and the other players suck? How can you use teamwork in a situation like that? Are you serious? Maybe if those tools were paying attention then they could've taken the medic out when they saw their teammates dying infront of them and then revived the dead.

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you, you think kill cams are noob, yet you play on hardcore servers? There is nothing "pro" or "skilled play" playing on hardcore.

JangoWuzHere

Notsureifsrs. Hardcore = No HUD, no health regen, no killcam, no minimap for enemies to show up on.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]COD references are not welcom [QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

No, I want to play battlefield. If the call of duty games can create a robust multiplayer component and an epic single player campaign, then I'm sure DICE can as well. They can at least try, and I'm glad that they are.

Also, nothing wrong with killcam, especially considering how well it was done in BC2.

JangoWuzHere

I've never seen the killcam in BC2. I only play in hardcore servers and they always turn it off because it's lame/cheap/unrealistic.

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you, you think kill cams are noob, yet you play on hardcore servers? There is nothing "pro" or "skilled play" playing on hardcore.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

I've never seen the killcam in BC2. I only play in hardcore servers and they always turn it off because it's lame/cheap/unrealistic.

Nick3306

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you, you think kill cams are noob, yet you play on hardcore servers? There is nothing "pro" or "skilled play" playing on hardcore.

If you are crazy enough to go out of your way and run across the battlefield,ignoring the current objective, and passing through hordes of other enemy players just to get a little payback, be my guest.

ITT: debating taste

LOL

Skip the killcam and carry on.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

It's none of those...

Hardcore servers are pointless. They reward camping and cheap tactics and a more emphasis on lone wolfing. I've seen a single medic take out 2 squads with a single belt of ammo. How can you use teamwork in a situation like that?

Not even Battlefield 2 had that kind of crap. The emphasis was on teamwork.

I guess if you like camping in a building far away and picking people off with single-shot kills from a sniper rifle, then yes you would love hardcore.

Remmib

It's all of those. It's a fact. Disabling killcam does not reward camping, it rewards strategic play. Also there is nothing wrong with camping, it is a valid tactic; unless there is an objective that needs to be taken and your team is just sitting back and camping (rush mode), then there is a problem with it. I don't know where you're going with the medic situation. Is it his fault he is good and the other players suck? How can you use teamwork in a situation like that? Are you serious? Maybe if those tools were paying attention then they could've taken the medic out when they saw their teammates dying infront of them and then revived the dead.

I don't know why I'm even arguing with you, you think kill cams are noob, yet you play on hardcore servers? There is nothing "pro" or "skilled play" playing on hardcore.

JangoWuzHere

Notsureifsrs. Hardcore = No HUD, no health regen, no killcam, no minimap for enemies to show up on.

Oh yay, strip out mechanics that make BC2 fun and screw up the weapon balance tremendously. Sounds just great.

All of that sounds good to me, 4 classes isn't a big deal if each class is as versitle as it was in BC 2

I agree that it makes more sense for assault/medic and support/ammo box should be blended. Medics were kind of a wonky class in BC 2.

I just want huge maps and more destruction and i'm happy

Oh yay, strip out mechanics that make BC2 fun and screw up the weapon balance tremendously. Sounds just great.

JangoWuzHere

What the hell are you talking about?:|

Weapon balance isn't screwed up in hardcore...

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Oh yay, strip out mechanics that make BC2 fun and screw up the weapon balance tremendously. Sounds just great.

Remmib

What the hell are you talking about?:|

Weapon balance isn't screwed up in hardcore...

Snipers are completely overpowered.

You even play BF2?

Killcams aren't suitable for Battlefield play. I guess it weeds out campers but you really can't camp in conquest mode. Snipers in the BF games rely on finding a good spot and ruling over the battlefield. You cannot do that with killcam, player dies > gets in chopper and lands on sniper after one death. Part of the fun in Battlefield games is finding that sniper, hiding on the grassy knoll, and then getting him. Not being shown straight away. While initially being shown seems great it greatly reduces long term play, finding new sniper spots, dealing with snipers who move. Working out which way bullets are coming from, maybe resurrecting a guy who died and ask him where he was shot from etc.. You can't compare it with the COD games either, the pacing, small maps and basic (high damage vs reload speed) doesn't really make them snipers like the BF series. Snipers in Cod games need to constantly move, BF games have too much wide open space for snipers to get up and run after they make a kill. Never really seen killcam in BC2, most servers I played on turn it off. Is it off by default? nutcrackr

The killcam isn't like Call of duty thoe. When you die, it simply shows the character who killed you and the equipment they were using. It doesn't give you an entire instant replay like Call of Duty.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

Oh yay, strip out mechanics that make BC2 fun and screw up the weapon balance tremendously. Sounds just great.

Remmib

What the hell are you talking about?:|

Weapon balance isn't screwed up in hardcore...

Snipers are all one hit kill. The VSS is completely dominate in any situation.

The killcam isn't like Call of duty thoe. When you die, it simply shows the character who killed you and the equipment they were using. It doesn't give you an entire instant replay like Call of Duty.

JangoWuzHere

I think I know what you are talking about. That cam will still show sniper positions though.

Snipers are completely overpowered.

You even play BF2?

Wasdie

Snipers probably do need to be tuned down a bit, but it does make sense that some of them with the right ammo type are one hit one kill.

Yeah I played BF2 extensively, but stopped a while back because of the garbage network code and peashooting weapons.

Snipers are all one hit kill. The VSS is completely dominate in any situation.

JangoWuzHere

No, they aren't all one hit kill.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Snipers are completely overpowered.

You even play BF2?

Remmib

Snipers probably do need to be tuned down a bit, but it does make sense that some of them with the right ammo type are one hit one kill.

Yeah I played BF2 extensively, but stopped a while back because of the garbage network code and peashooting weapons.

Snipers are all one hit kill. The VSS is completely dominate in any situation.

JangoWuzHere

No, they aren't all one hit kill.

The bolt action ones are(you know the sniper rifles that everyone uses?) The VSS only takes like 2 shots to kill.

It doesen't matter if only a few sniper rifles are one hit kill, the bottem line is that it shouldn't be possible. If playing a normal game, you need to get a headshot or a close range shot for it to be a instant kill.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

The killcam isn't like Call of duty thoe. When you die, it simply shows the character who killed you and the equipment they were using. It doesn't give you an entire instant replay like Call of Duty.

nutcrackr

I think I know what you are talking about. That cam will still show sniper positions though.

It doesn't show their exact location, only a vague hint of their whereabouts.

The bolt action ones are(you know the sniper rifles that everyone uses?) The VSS only takes like 2 shots to kill.

It doesen't matter if only a few sniper rifles are one hit kill, the bottem line is that it shouldn't be possible. If playing a normal game, you need to get a headshot or a close range shot for it to be a instant kill.

JangoWuzHere

That sounds fair to me.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

The bolt action ones are(you know the sniper rifles that everyone uses?) The VSS only takes like 2 shots to kill.

It doesen't matter if only a few sniper rifles are one hit kill, the bottem line is that it shouldn't be possible. If playing a normal game, you need to get a headshot or a close range shot for it to be a instant kill.

Remmib

That sounds fair to me.

Then don't play on hardcore? Bolt action rifles are one hit kill no matter were you shoot your opponent in hardcore.

Then don't play on hardcore? Bolt action rifles are one hit kill no matter were you shoot your opponent in hardcore.

JangoWuzHere

No, I am saying for BF3. Although I am used to being killed by snipers and just learn to adapt...

They don't one shot people with armor though.

No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?mitu123

"AI characters" "They want the pacing of the single player mode to be balanced, with highs and lows." "Part of the single player mode takes place in Sulaymaniyah - Iraqi Kurdistan." Hmm really? I kinda debate the validity of those information.dakan45

[QUOTE="mitu123"]No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?Freak2121GTAF

[QUOTE="mitu123"]No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?Freak2121GTAF

How many BF2 mods did you play?

I know Project Reality is the biggest one, but even that has a small fanbase. Custom maps never took off, custom mods never really took off. It is probably just best to not waste their time.

[QUOTE="Freak2121GTAF"][QUOTE="mitu123"]No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?Wasdie

How many BF2 mods did you play?

I know Project Reality is the biggest one, but even that has a small fanbase. Custom maps never took off, custom mods never really took off. It is probably just best to not waste their time.

It is probably just best to not waste their time.Wasdie

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Hopefully its optimizedbetter than Bad Company 2 which requires top of the line cards sli'd or crossfired for 60+ plus fps.

James161324

I hope so becuase pretty much if you didn't have a i5/i7 and a 350-500 gpu setup, sli 460's, 5850 etc, you couldn't get 60 fps. Alot of it was more of a cpu issue my 460s only run at like 50 percent with bc2, 4 x aa all maxed.

I don't like the fact that they are going to put a lot of cursing in this game. All of the cursing in BC2(single player) felt very out of place.

JangoWuzHere

-No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?mitu123

What a pathetic excuse. CryEngine is complex, too, but Crytek always provides mod tools. Here we go again.

More scans.

[QUOTE="Freak2121GTAF"][QUOTE="mitu123"]No mod tools at release. Maybe none down the line either. Frosbite 2.0 is complex and mods tools would have to be dumbed down, so does Dice really want to put their time to that or would it be better spent elsewhere?Wasdie

How many BF2 mods did you play?

I know Project Reality is the biggest one, but even that has a small fanbase. Custom maps never took off, custom mods never really took off. It is probably just best to not waste their time.

custom maps never took off because there was no way to download them from the server....

Project Reality was in fact pretty popular, as was Desert Combat (which at one point had more players then BF1942)

Its no excuse.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

I don't think kill cam is necessary but I suspect most PC servers will have it switched off anyway. Big shame about lack of mod tools. I would personally scrap the single player, bot match is enough. Hope unlock system is similar to 2142nutcrackr

I'm glad that not all PC gamers think like you.

I actually wnat a single player campaign, I know ill stay for multiplayer, but I want the game to be a complete package. Also what is wrong with killcam?

Yeah, but BF games have NEVER been about the singleplayer campaign. It's a waste of time and resources. You're the only person who wants a singleplayer campaign.

Killcam is for fairies.

thanks Mitu123 for the scan's. most appreciated !RedDanDoc

I've never wanted a game so bad now. Want beta now!

I find DICE's reasoning for NOT being back the commander is completly retarted. The UAV in BC2 was complete garbage, for one noobs didn't know how to use them. Two they were WAY to easy to shoot down in BC2, and third it was pointless to ever use it for more than 30 seconds because more than that and you've just got KNIFED/Shot/rocketed/C4'ed. It was great that in BF2 the commander was used to order the squads around, to play from the skys, and that good people would be controling the commander spot. Keeping the commander out of BF3 is a BIG mistake imo. Screw the stupid UAV, it's compelty worthless and should be removed from the game, it's not realistic at all. I know I am randing but you have to agree that it's all true...

I agree, UAV sucks, and according to the 2nd link, they are talking about the Commander.:D

I've never wanted a game so bad now. Want beta now!

mhofever

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Hopefully its optimizedbetter than Bad Company 2 which requires top of the line cards sli'd or crossfired for 60+ plus fps.

James161324

I hope so becuase pretty much if you didn't have a i5/i7 and a 350-500 gpu setup, sli 460's, 5850 etc, you couldn't get 60 fps. Alot of it was more of a cpu issue my 460s only run at like 50 percent with bc2, 4 x aa all maxed.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Freak2121GTAF"] Oh please. There's this game called Mafia, where they said modding tools would be too advanced and complex to use. What did the community do? They built their own tools that were more complex than the ones devs used. YOU DO NOT NEED TO DUMB DOWN TOOLS, WE AREN'T DUMB.cobrax55

How many BF2 mods did you play?

I know Project Reality is the biggest one, but even that has a small fanbase. Custom maps never took off, custom mods never really took off. It is probably just best to not waste their time.

custom maps never took off because there was no way to download them from the server....

Project Reality was in fact pretty popular, as was Desert Combat (which at one point had more players then BF1942)

Its no excuse.

He obviously never played Desert Combat, the best mod of all time.

I agree, UAV sucks, and according to the 2nd link, they are talking about the Commander.:D [QUOTE="mhofever"]

I've never wanted a game so bad now. Want beta now!

mitu123

Yea, I got MoH LE.

That sounds fantastic, DICE maybe my favorite dev by the end of this year :)

[QUOTE="Wasdie"] It is probably just best to not waste their time.tequilasunriser