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#101 thereal25
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Glad to see people are playing fallout new vegas. I highly recommend the dlc for this one.

My first playthrough - I rushed the game - because I wasn't too impressed - compared to fallout 3 - and I ended up fighting the final battle at only around level 12! (Which was a big mistake lol!)

But I've since clocked it twice - one on normal difficulty and another on hard difficulty with hardcore mode on!

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#102 nulld
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@Planeforger & @behardy24:

That helps, thanks guys. It's definitely a hidden feature; I'd never have discovered it accidentally. It took me a couple of moments to figure out how it works. You have to hold down a number key (1, 3-8) and click on the weapon to assign it.

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#103 nulld
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@behardy24 said:

@thehig1 said:

I have noticed your treated about the same weather your liked or hated, NPC dialogue doesn't change to reflect your change in status, not from the times I tested anyway.

I actually never thought about that. Good catch :)

I think there are some subtle differences to the way they treat the player. For example, if you have killed some NCR soldiers but not enough for the NCR to immediately become hostile to you, then NCR soldiers will say things along the lines of "Give me a reason" or "You shouldn't be here". But it's never noticeable and conversations between the player and a NPC do not get a complete overall like in the Mass Effect series for instances. It's kinda disappointing that dialogue doesn't reflect the player's status but I can see why that would be a challenge with having to write and record more lines and making sure everything flows well within the world.

Since I'm most likely to side with Caesar's Legion for this playthrough, I'll do more test since the legion is widely hated across the board. But like you said I think I will be treated the same way.

One of the reasons the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games amaze me is how many of the NPCs do change/respond to at least some of your actions. Sure, that's the whole premise of a game like Fable, but that has a much more limited scope world than Fallout.

Even though Fallout's NPCs don't 100% reflect whatever the situation is at the moment, the amount that they manage to do must have been a lot of work for the developers. The NPC dialogue needs to deal with competing states of multiple quests, as well as well as faction reputation states. Exponentially multiply that by however many quests the NPCs want to talk about, and it gets scary fast.

I spent several years on an MMORPG team, which among other things included the same type of logic & NPC dialogue work. (I've been a professional game developer for almost 15 years.) In any particular situation in that MMORPG, we could identify what an NPC should be saying, but actually sorting through the logic to get the NPC to say it at the right time got trickier and trickier as quests got more complex.

I don't know. Maybe Fallout's devs had a good systematic structure for handling the logic that made it easier.

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#104 Behardy24
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@nulld said:

@behardy24 said:

@thehig1 said:

I have noticed your treated about the same weather your liked or hated, NPC dialogue doesn't change to reflect your change in status, not from the times I tested anyway.

I actually never thought about that. Good catch :)

I think there are some subtle differences to the way they treat the player. For example, if you have killed some NCR soldiers but not enough for the NCR to immediately become hostile to you, then NCR soldiers will say things along the lines of "Give me a reason" or "You shouldn't be here". But it's never noticeable and conversations between the player and a NPC do not get a complete overall like in the Mass Effect series for instances. It's kinda disappointing that dialogue doesn't reflect the player's status but I can see why that would be a challenge with having to write and record more lines and making sure everything flows well within the world.

Since I'm most likely to side with Caesar's Legion for this playthrough, I'll do more test since the legion is widely hated across the board. But like you said I think I will be treated the same way.

One of the reasons the Fallout and Elder Scrolls games amaze me is how many of the NPCs do change/respond to at least some of your actions. Sure, that's the whole premise of a game like Fable, but that has a much more limited scope world than Fallout.

Even though Fallout's NPCs don't 100% reflect whatever the situation is at the moment, the amount that they manage to do must have been a lot of work for the developers. The NPC dialogue needs to deal with competing states of multiple quests, as well as well as faction reputation states. Exponentially multiply that by however many quests the NPCs want to talk about, and it gets scary fast.

I spent several years on an MMORPG team, which among other things included the same type of logic & NPC dialogue work. (I've been a professional game developer for almost 15 years.) In any particular situation in that MMORPG, we could identify what an NPC should be saying, but actually sorting through the logic to get the NPC to say it at the right time got trickier and trickier as quests got more complex.

I don't know. Maybe Fallout's devs had a good systematic structure for handling the logic that made it easier.

I also imagine it's a problem with space as well. New Vegas is packed in with a ton of content and though we on the PC could probably afford to download more content to the vanilla version, consoles don't have that full leisure with discs (now it seems to be getting there with next-gen system and constant updates) and they still have to think about that market since the profits there are so huge. Also, there already is a ton of dialogue recorded for that game and with a famous cast doing most of the big characters, I imagine writing and recording more would drive up the cost immensely. And like you said, the more complex the quest, the harder it is to record good fitting dialogue for that character.

Didn't know you were developer. Cool to know. Though I don't play MMOs, I salute for your work in giving joy to thousands out there. :)

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#105 Behardy24
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@thehig1 said:

@behardy24: a vote of 2 or 3 games would work well.

Your right. I'm also thinking that we play a couple smaller indie games here and there. We are of course going to be playing the big AAA games but I think mixing it up with some independent games would be refreshing. Also, most indie games are short so they wouldn't take more than a week or two to finish. What do you think?

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#106 thehig1
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@behardy24 said:

@thehig1 said:

@behardy24: a vote of 2 or 3 games would work well.

Your right. I'm also thinking that we play a couple smaller indie games here and there. We are of course going to be playing the big AAA games but I think mixing it up with some independent games would be refreshing. Also, most indie games are short so they wouldn't take more than a week or two to finish. What do you think?

Hey I'll play any game, I like that this thread will encourage to play games I wouldn't normally play.

maybe out of 3 choices you give us two are selected and the other is completely random.

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#107  Edited By Behardy24
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@thehig1 said:

Hey I'll play any game, I like that this thread will encourage to play games I wouldn't normally play.

maybe out of 3 choices you give us two are selected and the other is completely random.

Same here. I am always looking to expand my gaming horizon and experience.

3 choices sounds good, but what do you mean by selected?

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#108 thehig1
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@behardy24 said:

@thehig1 said:

Hey I'll play any game, I like that this thread will encourage to play games I wouldn't normally play.

maybe out of 3 choices you give us two are selected and the other is completely random.

Same here. I am always looking to expand my gaming horizon and experience.

3 choices sounds good, but what do you mean by selected?

I mean you select two based on your observations from our steam libraries, and pick another completely at Random, then do a vote from those three options, just an idea.

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#109 Jacanuk
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Glad to see people are playing fallout new vegas. I highly recommend the dlc for this one.

My first playthrough - I rushed the game - because I wasn't too impressed - compared to fallout 3 - and I ended up fighting the final battle at only around level 12! (Which was a big mistake lol!)

But I've since clocked it twice - one on normal difficulty and another on hard difficulty with hardcore mode on!

hehe, thats a bad idea.

But ya Fallout NV isent as big as Fallout 3 but if you take your time to explore and not rush into the main story but take in the sights you will find that underneath there is a lot of action and story there. Im still annoyed though that they havent fixed the issue with going into certain area´s early without killing anyone would ruin the progression and you can miss out on some events.

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#110 Arthas045
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Yeah I agree with above. I find myself not going near towns just incase I need to go back.

On a side note is there a texture mod for this game? I am not huge into modding, but would like to try and bump that up.

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#111  Edited By nulld
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@behardy24 said:

I also imagine it's a problem with space as well. New Vegas is packed in with a ton of content and though we on the PC could probably afford to download more content to the vanilla version, consoles don't have that full leisure with discs (now it seems to be getting there with next-gen system and constant updates) and they still have to think about that market since the profits there are so huge. Also, there already is a ton of dialogue recorded for that game and with a famous cast doing most of the big characters, I imagine writing and recording more would drive up the cost immensely. And like you said, the more complex the quest, the harder it is to record good fitting dialogue for that character.

Didn't know you were developer. Cool to know. Though I don't play MMOs, I salute for your work in giving joy to thousands out there. :)

Thanks! Like most game developers, I just love games and want to contribute to everyone's fun & the art form.

That's a great point about voice recording. It can take up a lot of space on a console, yes, but there are a lot of other practical development issues as well.

Voice actors and voice recording studios usually charge by the hour, with a minimum number of hours. The back end work of integrating recorded audio into the game is also most efficient if all done at once, rather than in drips and pieces. That's why most developers want to get all the voice recording done in a few big batches. Before a batch of voice recording starts, there's a big push to make sure all the written dialogue is as accurate and complete as possible. But by definition, the dialogue isn't accurate or complete until the game is nearly done. That often leads to recorded dialogue that doesn't match what the final quest NPC is saying. And as you can imagine, the more complex the quests are, the more likely a mismatch.

Buy it's still essential in many games (not all) to start plugging in the voice before the quest development is complete. There are lots of practical reasons - mostly it boils down to not 100% knowing that everything will work until you've plugged it in and playtested it, and you don't want to only start doing that when you've locked down and stopped making changes.

The really high-budget games will do multiple pickup recording sessions at the end of a development cycle to make all the voice perfect - we're talking Call of Duty budget games. Most studios do 2-4, with only one recording session at the end of development. And voice actors are rotated for each recording session, so it's unlikely you can re-record a previous actor's line.

For this reason, a lot of writers and game designers end up creating a lot of quest NPCs that don't have recorded voice. I personally think that hearing the emotion in a real person's voice is essential to pulling in a player. It's hard to care about a character when you're just reading text. I'm really glad that Fallout and New Vegas voiced as many characters as they did.

The Fallout games also have a huge number of characters, which would be a problem for most studios. I'm not entirely sure, but I'd guess they used non-Screen Actor's Guild actors. If a development studio has ties with any movie studio (e.g. WB Games, Lucasarts) then they're obligated to only use SAG actors. There's a SAG rule that basically says that a voice actor can only perform up to 3 characters in a contract, even if a character only has 1 voiceline. The moment you ask them to do 4 characters, you need to pay for a second recording session. To give context, I've been in 2 hour recording sessions where a good actor can record 200 voicelines.

Wow, I just realized a wrote a lot. I don't usually get to talk about this stuff, so I blathered on ;)

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#113 thehig1
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I'm done when others are and ready to move on, didn't finish the game because of PC problems then when I replaced my motherboard I had to reinstall windows and lost my progress.

Not starting again now I played a fair way through it and enjoyed it a lot more this time around.

PC issues are gone, I have now Crossfire 7850's ready for next game when ever that may be.

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#114 Behardy24
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@thereal25 said:

Glad to see people are playing fallout new vegas. I highly recommend the dlc for this one.

My first playthrough - I rushed the game - because I wasn't too impressed - compared to fallout 3 - and I ended up fighting the final battle at only around level 12! (Which was a big mistake lol!)

But I've since clocked it twice - one on normal difficulty and another on hard difficulty with hardcore mode on!

I have unfortunately made the mistake of rushing through the game, so I'm not enjoying myself that much now. :/

I think New Vegas is played best when you take it slow and taking your time.

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@thehig1 said:

I'm done when others are and ready to move on, didn't finish the game because of PC problems then when I replaced my motherboard I had to reinstall windows and lost my progress.

Not starting again now I played a fair way through it and enjoyed it a lot more this time around.

PC issues are gone, I have now Crossfire 7850's ready for next game when ever that may be.

I'm kinda ready to move on to tell you the truth. I've played the game way too quickly and am utterly under-equipped. I'm still willing to play the game or even restart my playthrough, but I'm hoping we can start new game. We'll see what happens depending on how many people finish/ want to move on.

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#116 thehig1
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Going to start Fallout again with Mods and with my PC working properly again and can Max it out :D

Will keep playing and will post more of my thoughts about the game and Mods I installed, however I'm ready to move on when others are.

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#117 Arthas045
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I am still playing myself and enjoying it to much. If we move on I understand. I am not sure how far I am into the story. I just reached New Vegas.

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#118 thehig1
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Completed the main story of the game now, gotta say I love this game now, before this play through I didn't like it as I thought it controlled to rough after coming from Skyrim.

I now prefer this game over Skyrim its awesome.

8/10

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#119  Edited By TheShadowLord07
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Anyone here thought of skyrim when talking to this guy(yeah, skyrim came later though)?

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#120 thehig1
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@TheShadowLord07: arrow to the knee :)

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#121 JetB1ackNewYear
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I don't have NV! But id love to do this for the next game chosen !

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#122  Edited By thehig1
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Surely its time to move on thread activity has dried up last few days.

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#123 blangenakker
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Yes I am waiting for next game.

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#124 nulld
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This is going to be a 3-day weekend for lots of us in the US. It might be a good weekend to jump into a new game. Just saying... :)

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#125 thehig1
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Are we moving or not, is say it's time wait any longer and this thread will be dead.

Speed things up and just select another game for us all to play

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#126  Edited By thehig1
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@behardy24:

I think behardy24 has stopped visiting gamespot altogether, his last time on the site nearly a week ago now, so this thread may get abandoned.

I don't want that, I thought this was an excellent idea and really encouraged me to play through a game I had no intention of playing otherwise, end result was I now love "Fallout Vegas" its one of my Favourite games.

If no one objects and "behardy24" doesn't return I'd be happy to run the next game, I'd make another thread with a Poll of games to choose from with a clear start date in mine.

Again I'd base it off peoples steam libraries posted in this thread to try and ensure most people own the game.

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#127 Arthas045
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That would be awesome to keep this going. I am currently still playing Fallout, but can move on if needed. Maybe by the time the next game is selected i will be completed!

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#128 thehig1
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@Arthas045: Cool, it will still be a few days before I do if anything at all.

First of all I'd like to ensure most people are ok with me taking over

Second of all, I'll give it a few more days to see if BeHardy24 comes back, it is his idea and thread and my preference is he continues to run it.

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#129  Edited By nulld
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@thehig1: Yeah, sounds good to me.

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#130 Behardy24
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My apologies to everyone for not being online for the last week. I have been very busy with school and have not been able to get online to the internet at all. Anyway, I give permission to @thehig1 for taking over this video game club as I know I will definitely be busy for the next few months. Best of luck to everyone and have fun! :)

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#131 thehig1
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@behardy24 said:

My apologies to everyone for not being online for the last week. I have been very busy with school and have not been able to get online to the internet at all. Anyway, I give permission to @thehig1 for taking over this video game club as I know I will definitely be busy for the next few months. Best of luck to everyone and have fun! :)

Awesome I'll do just that, remember its your idea and just keeping it going, if your in a position you have more spare time again take the thread back over, I just want to keep it alive for now.

I'll get to work, Glad you not left gamespot anyway your a good poster.

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i'm really sorry guys i didn't participate even though i counted myself in. i've been buried with work and really haven't got time to play...

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#133 Arthas045
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Well I finally completed the game 42 hours later... War never changes...........

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#134 thehig1
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@Arthas045: what did you think of it?

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#135 Arthas045
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@thehig1 said:

@Arthas045: what did you think of it?

I thought it was really good. I worried about glitches going into the game, but had very very few. The game was rich with content and I always love the vibe of those games. The families in New Vegas was a nice tough all being different from one another. I sided with Mr. House, but then I decided to reload it and side with Yes Man just to see what would happen.

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#136 thehig1
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@Arthas045 said:

@thehig1 said:

@Arthas045: what did you think of it?

I thought it was really good. I worried about glitches going into the game, but had very very few. The game was rich with content and I always love the vibe of those games. The families in New Vegas was a nice tough all being different from one another. I sided with Mr. House, but then I decided to reload it and side with Yes Man just to see what would happen.

I played the douche role and sided with the legion at the earliest opportunity, ended up killing mister house.

I liked the game too, I've bought Fallout 3 now.