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#51 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="TerroRizing"]

[QUOTE="Gog"]

Geordi, you're probably one of those people who believes AMD an NVidia have top secret video cards 10 years ahead of time only the NASA has access to.

Well think again. That type of hardware doers not evenexist. Even if it did, it would costs millions and console manufacturers don't put million dollar chips into consoles, quite the contrary. They put in the cheapest parts and mass manufacture them to cut the costs. The Xenos iscomparable to a X1900 chip, which was the best thing available on the drawing boards at the time the console specs were finalized.

The thing isn't even close to a 8800GTX. The only reason early 360 games looked better than PC games at that timeis because unlike console games, pc games are not (typically) made to take advantage of the latest videocards. Instead they aim for a more common technological standard 2 or 3 years behind current high-end tech.

Thats even arguable, I thought Half-life 2, oblivion, call of duty 2, etc put everything to shame on 360 at its launch year. I never once thought that 360 graphics were better than pc graphics. To match pc games, the 360 always had to make huge comprimizes... for instance lower resolutions, choppy framerates, and generally lower quality. If 360 games really looked and played that great compared to pc games I wouldnt have bothered to stick with pc games. Meanwhile, the ps3 is capable of much better graphics than the 360 and its using a modified 7800, what does that tell you?

When you pour 60 million dollars and six years into a game, it better look good. But 360/PS3 multiplats always look better on the 360, and usually by a good margin. The Xenos is definitely better than the RSX. But the CPU was the bottleneck in early ports. It's an in order processor. The game code was designed to run out of order, and devs hadn't worked with in order execution since the original Pentium...

Multiplats look better on Pc, Cod4,Fallout 3 Prey,GTA 4, and many more, Even FEAR 2 looks better on Pc and it was console game. look at GuitarFreak2's info posted and what others have said and the proof the 360 isnt better then sliced bread even when it first came out.
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#52 GuitarFreak2
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240GFLOPS processing power

-GeordiLaForge-
The Xenos has the thread arbiter, ensuring that all of the pipelines stay in use. The DX9 cards mentioned do not. Plus it has the 192 FP processors in the eDRAM...

Read the rest of the post. It doesn't matter that it has 192FP processors in the eDRAM, it's still equivalent to a mix between the X1900 and 2900.
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#53 04dcarraher
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Plus I own a 360 with a custom intake cooler I made for it, and the 360's gpu power isnt great.
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#54 TerroRizing
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why is this even a thread? The 360 still has a hard time matching pc graphics from 2004, you guys cant be serious.

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#55 04dcarraher
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why is this even a thread? The 360 still has a hard time matching pc graphics from 2004, you guys cant be serious.

TerroRizing

lol, we dont anything better to do I guess. :P

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#56 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]

why is this even a thread? The 360 still has a hard time matching pc graphics from 2004, you guys cant be serious.

04dcarraher

lol, we dont anything better to do I guess. :P

Its bad enough the american media is all but ignoring pc gaming, then we have this discussion...
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#57 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="GuitarFreak2"]

240GFLOPS processing power

GuitarFreak2
The Xenos has the thread arbiter, ensuring that all of the pipelines stay in use. The DX9 cards mentioned do not. Plus it has the 192 FP processors in the eDRAM...

Read the rest of the post. It doesn't matter that it has 192FP processors in the eDRAM, it's still equivalent to a mix between the X1900 and 2900.

You're speaking in terms of theoretical numbers that DX9 cards can't achieve. The Xenos can though, because of the thread arbiter. We're a bunch of PC gamers debating over a console :| ... :) ... :lol:
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#58 Masterdj1992
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I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....
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#59 Makari
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[QUOTE="AcesTranquility"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="AcesTranquility"]

Always made me curious.... to wonder what PC would match the xbox 360?

im going to say a duo core @ 2ghz/9800 GTX +/2gb ram

whatta you think?

LOL, the 9800GTX+ is waaay more powerful than the Xbox360,,,just think what video card would run Call of Duty 4 at medium settings at 1280x720,,thats not too impressive.

i was only guessing lol.... but i guess your right a bout the medium settings.

COD4 runs at 1024x600 on the 360/PS3. About the same resolution that a 9" netbook uses, though with 2xAA.
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#60 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="AcesTranquility"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"] LOL, the 9800GTX+ is waaay more powerful than the Xbox360,,,just think what video card would run Call of Duty 4 at medium settings at 1280x720,,thats not too impressive.Makari

i was only guessing lol.... but i guess your right a bout the medium settings.

COD4 runs at 1024x600 on the 360/PS3. About the same resolution that a 9" netbook uses, though with 2xAA.

Once again, PC games ported to the 360 do nothing to show the power of the Xenos. Code meant to be executed out of order does not work well with an in order processor... Besides, how are the framerates and textures on that "netbook?"
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#61 deniiiii21
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Even if the Xenos was based on the ATI's 2000 series it was just really crappy, the numbers resemble a 2600xt as its closest cousin with stuff from a 1900 series, and 2600xt was just a disgrace, sure it did have unified shader tech but it was crap, a 1900xt card kills a 2600xt, and lets not forget one thing that Xenos doesnt have that its big brother has 1900xt is a nice little thing called 256bit bandwith, so Georgi please man quit making the Xenos seem all this magical powerful, its basically a gimped version of 1900xtx and 2600xt, 360's power is equivelant of a computer having a 3600X2 athlon with a 1gb of memory and a 8600gt in it, and to the TC your 9800GTX stomps the ground with the xenos.

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#62 gettobun
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I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....Masterdj1992
To be fair you would have to say $300 because the $200 version does not have a HDD.
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#63 RossRichard
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Wow. All techno-babble aside, youre comparing 2005 tech with 2009 tech. You would likely have to go back to 2005 or 2006 tech to match the 360. It is safe to say any mid-range tech from the last two years would very much surpass the 360.

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#64 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="AcesTranquility"]

i was only guessing lol.... but i guess your right a bout the medium settings.

-GeordiLaForge-

COD4 runs at 1024x600 on the 360/PS3. About the same resolution that a 9" netbook uses, though with 2xAA.

Once again, PC games ported to the 360 do nothing to show the power of the Xenos. Code meant to be executed out of order does not work well with an in order processor... Besides, how are the framerates and textures on that "netbook?"

But heres the thing if the Xenos are so powerful why cant they play games at 720? But has to upconvert, and the games have cut alot of things to make the games to be playable such as level sizes, blurry textures, short draw distances and with games like GoW 2 and GTA 4 dont have stable 30+ fps all the time. Your over powering something that isnt. When the 360 came out it was a nice package overall but early to mid 2006 it was really outclassed.

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#65 Mitjastiskovski
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360 has a weak GPU and people who are claiming that it's nearly as powerful as 8800gtx are living in dream land. I can run COD4 with my old **** X1950pro 256MB and I can play it max out at 1280x720 with solid 60 fps. So since the 360 gpu is so much better wtf does it look like crap when playing it on the 360 compared to my PC.

The point is 360 gpu is weak and saying it's close to 8800gtx is a joke.

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#66 sammysalsa
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[QUOTE="AcesTranquility"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Wrong. The Xenos was the precursor to DX10 cards, and it's development directly led to best tech in the DX3D 10 API and video cards. Besides the thread arbiter and other DX10 tech, it also has the 192 FP processors in the eDRAM. It's MUCH better than old ATI cards. That's just a myth...-GeordiLaForge-

you seem to know what your talking about.... what do you think would match a 360?

Well, you can't really compare it to any other card because of it's unique architecture. But in terms of power, it's probably pretty close to a 9600gt. That being said though, devs can optimize games for the 360 specifically, instead of having to make the game work with all kinds of hardware. So in the end, the 360 will still have excellent graphics compared to PC games for quite some time.

I'd have to disagree there as i own both an xbox 360 and a 9600gt and i get quite good results on my 9600gt compared to the general low-res nastie-ness of the 360. It is true about the optimization howevere, the 360 would have "weaker" hardware but more can be had from it due to optimization i.e. outputs similar to something more powerful due to optimization not because its equally powerful/

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I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, and I'm not saying anyone is right. But the fact of the matter is, does anyone have any benchies/tech articles to back this up? Geordi is going on and on and on, and everyone is putting up good points, but to me its just meaningless techno babble unless someone puts a link to an actual credited source. Didn't anyone learn to write a decent factual paper in school?? You could put as much info as you want up, but until you tell me where its from, its just some silly claim from a person with too much time on his hands. Geordi, I'm not going after you, but you seem to be putting up a lot of ideas and haven't backed it up with any other links/benchmarks from tech websites....which is probably why you're getting attacked on a GS forum :) Also, no one else seems to be putting anything up along those lines to refute his claims either. I'm just sayin'..............
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I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, and I'm not saying anyone is right. But the fact of the matter is, does anyone have any benchies/tech articles to back this up? Geordi is going on and on and on, and everyone is putting up good points, but to me its just meaningless techno babble unless someone puts a link to an actual credited source. Didn't anyone learn to write a decent factual paper in school?? You could put as much info as you want up, but until you tell me where its from, its just some silly claim from a person with too much time on his hands. Geordi, I'm not going after you, but you seem to be putting up a lot of ideas and haven't backed it up with any other links/benchmarks from tech websites....which is probably why you're getting attacked on a GS forum :) Also, no one else seems to be putting anything up along those lines to refute his claims either. I'm just sayin'..............XRED_0
people dont bother benching consoles, its pointless. All they do is show side by side comparisons with the ps3 lol.

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[QUOTE="XRED_0"]I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, and I'm not saying anyone is right. But the fact of the matter is, does anyone have any benchies/tech articles to back this up? Geordi is going on and on and on, and everyone is putting up good points, but to me its just meaningless techno babble unless someone puts a link to an actual credited source. Didn't anyone learn to write a decent factual paper in school?? You could put as much info as you want up, but until you tell me where its from, its just some silly claim from a person with too much time on his hands. Geordi, I'm not going after you, but you seem to be putting up a lot of ideas and haven't backed it up with any other links/benchmarks from tech websites....which is probably why you're getting attacked on a GS forum :) Also, no one else seems to be putting anything up along those lines to refute his claims either. I'm just sayin'..............TerroRizing
people dont bother benching consoles, its pointless.

I don't mean the consoles, I just mean when people do benchies on similar hardware that they think simulates consoles, or just where all this info on comparing the different hardware.
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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="XRED_0"]I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, and I'm not saying anyone is right. But the fact of the matter is, does anyone have any benchies/tech articles to back this up? Geordi is going on and on and on, and everyone is putting up good points, but to me its just meaningless techno babble unless someone puts a link to an actual credited source. Didn't anyone learn to write a decent factual paper in school?? You could put as much info as you want up, but until you tell me where its from, its just some silly claim from a person with too much time on his hands. Geordi, I'm not going after you, but you seem to be putting up a lot of ideas and haven't backed it up with any other links/benchmarks from tech websites....which is probably why you're getting attacked on a GS forum :) Also, no one else seems to be putting anything up along those lines to refute his claims either. I'm just sayin'..............XRED_0
people dont bother benching consoles, its pointless.

I don't mean the consoles, I just mean when people do benchies on similar hardware that they think simulates consoles, or just where all this info on comparing the different hardware.

The only you can u is compare the images and graphics and kinda notice the fps drops. Like this comparsion 360 vs Pc with PREY(Doom 3 Engine) back in 2006, midranged pc back then has better graphics. http://www.gamespot.com/features/6154261/p-3.html

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#72 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"][QUOTE="XRED_0"]I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, and I'm not saying anyone is right. But the fact of the matter is, does anyone have any benchies/tech articles to back this up? Geordi is going on and on and on, and everyone is putting up good points, but to me its just meaningless techno babble unless someone puts a link to an actual credited source. Didn't anyone learn to write a decent factual paper in school?? You could put as much info as you want up, but until you tell me where its from, its just some silly claim from a person with too much time on his hands. Geordi, I'm not going after you, but you seem to be putting up a lot of ideas and haven't backed it up with any other links/benchmarks from tech websites....which is probably why you're getting attacked on a GS forum :) Also, no one else seems to be putting anything up along those lines to refute his claims either. I'm just sayin'..............XRED_0
people dont bother benching consoles, its pointless.

I don't mean the consoles, I just mean when people do benchies on similar hardware that they think simulates consoles, or just where all this info on comparing the different hardware.

Ya someone here should try it, I dont think teh rest of the world would even bother. PC > xbox 360, barely anyone would even question that.
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I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....Masterdj1992
HA...........that was funny. you do have a point.
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#74 GuitarFreak2
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I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....Masterdj1992

Case:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119088

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136382

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103077

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135063

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371005

$10 more than the elite, and definitely more powerful. Granted, you'd need an OS, but you can always use linux for free, or if you already have a copy of windows, install that. And if you want to toss in a keyboard and mouse, then that would only be $20 more.

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#75 Trmpt
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[QUOTE="Masterdj1992"]I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....GuitarFreak2

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136382

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103077

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

$50 more than the elite, and definitely more powerful. Granted, you'd need an OS, but you can always use linux for free, or if you already have a copy of windows, install that. And if you want to toss in a keyboard and mouse, then that would only be $20 more.

lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?
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#76 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="GuitarFreak2"]

I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....Masterdj1992

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136382

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103077

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

$50 more than the elite, and definitely more powerful. Granted, you'd need an OS, but you can always use linux for free, or if you already have a copy of windows, install that. And if you want to toss in a keyboard and mouse, then that would only be $20 more.

lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?

I think that processor wipes the floor with the one the 360 uses. 3 single process cores vs a proper dual core, hmmm.
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#77 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="GuitarFreak2"]

I have an Idea, build a complete computer for $199 including shipping with a graphics card that beats the xbox....Masterdj1992

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136382

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103077

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

$50 more than the elite, and definitely more powerful. Granted, you'd need an OS, but you can always use linux for free, or if you already have a copy of windows, install that. And if you want to toss in a keyboard and mouse, then that would only be $20 more.

lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?

Well at least it wont get the RRoD or E74 error.....
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#78 Trmpt
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="GuitarFreak2"]

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136382

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103077

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

$50 more than the elite, and definitely more powerful. Granted, you'd need an OS, but you can always use linux for free, or if you already have a copy of windows, install that. And if you want to toss in a keyboard and mouse, then that would only be $20 more.

04dcarraher

lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?

Well at least it wont get the RRoD or E74 error.....

Sending my 360 in to be fixed under a 3 year waranty for free vs my PC breaking down and having to replace hardware and or sofware for $$$. Hmmmmmmm. Which option do I choose?

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#79 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="GuitarFreak2"]

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136382

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103077

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

$50 more than the elite, and definitely more powerful. Granted, you'd need an OS, but you can always use linux for free, or if you already have a copy of windows, install that. And if you want to toss in a keyboard and mouse, then that would only be $20 more.

04dcarraher

lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?

Well at least it wont get the RRoD or E74 error.....

add in xbox live and a hard drive :) then $10 premiium charges for inferior games on the 360 :) anyhow the argument shouldnt be about cost, a car is better than a bicycle. Not only that, after you go and get a 360 you're still going to want a pc anyway (even if its not for gaming).

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#80 Trmpt
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Trmpt"] lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?TerroRizing

Well at least it wont get the RRoD or E74 error.....

add in xbox live and a hard drive :) then $10 premiium charges for inferior games on the 360 :) anyhow the argument shouldnt be about cost, a car is better than a bicycle.

Between the car and the bicycle you know that the bicycle is easier to maintain, costs less to buy one, cheaper to fix, and easier to fix, and it may not be as fast as a car but I would still rather have the bicycle.

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#81 04dcarraher
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Well talking about 360 look at the simple but effective cooler I made to keep the RRoD at bay.

xb2.jpg xb1 picture by 260077

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#82 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="Trmpt"]

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]

Well at least it wont get the RRoD or E74 error.....04dcarraher
add in xbox live and a hard drive :) then $10 premiium charges for inferior games on the 360 :) anyhow the argument shouldnt be about cost, a car is better than a bicycle.

Between the car and the bicycle you know that the bicycle is easier to maintain, costs less to buy one, cheaper to fix, and easier to fix, and it may not be as fast as a car but I would still rather have the bicycle.

To each his own, id much rather have a car.
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Trmpt"] lol, he said 199$ for a reason, not $350. And you really think that the Pentium you linked is better than the 360's processor?Trmpt

Well at least it wont get the RRoD or E74 error.....

Sending my 360 in to be fixed under a 3 year waranty for free vs my PC breaking down and having to replace hardware and or sofware for $$$. Hmmmmmmm. Which option do I choose?

Sending in the parts for free and getting them replaced. Most of those parts have a 3 year manufacture's warranty, plus the warranty from newegg for an RMA.
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#84 Mr_BillGates
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360's weak 3 cores is probably as fast as an Intel E2140.

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#85 kemar7856
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the 360 is a ATI readon 1950Xt 512ddr2 ram and a 3.0ghz duel core processer

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#86 zaku101
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The 360 still runs GTA4 better than current high-end pcs.

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The 360 still runs GTA4 better than current high-end pcs.

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because of bad programing in reality no concole port should have higher requirements then dmc4
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#88 TerroRizing
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The 360 still runs GTA4 better than current high-end pcs.

zaku101

no, dont be foolish. The difference in quality is huge. Pop in a phenom II and any decent video card and watch it fly, its very poorly optimized for pc but still with a high end rig the console version looks like garbage in comparison. Heck at 1280*720 it doesnt take much to outdo the 360s choppy performance.

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#89 -GeordiLaForge-
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the 360 is a ATI readon 1950Xt 512ddr2 ram and a 3.0ghz duel core processer

kemar7856
It has a triple core (six thread) IBM in order CPU, which is why PC ports can have quality issues on the 360. The code was written to be executed out of order. And the GPU is not a 1950xt. The Xenos features a very unique design, and it's development directly led to the best features in DX10 video cards. The development of the Xenos led to advanced tessellation, the unified shader architecture, and other DX10/11 features...
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#90 -GeordiLaForge-
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360 has a weak GPU and people who are claiming that it's nearly as powerful as 8800gtx are living in dream land. I can run COD4 with my old **** X1950pro 256MB and I can play it max out at 1280x720 with solid 60 fps. So since the 360 gpu is so much better wtf does it look like crap when playing it on the 360 compared to my PC.

The point is 360 gpu is weak and saying it's close to 8800gtx is a joke.

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*facepalm*... another person who didn't read before posting. I said that the ARCHITECTURE more closely resembles the 8800 series GPU's. I said nothing about the power...
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#91 -GeordiLaForge-
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The only you can u is compare the images and graphics and kinda notice the fps drops. Like this comparsion 360 vs Pc with PREY(Doom 3 Engine) back in 2006, midranged pc back then has better graphics. http://www.gamespot.com/features/6154261/p-3.html

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Why can't people understand this?? PC code is meant to be executed out of order. The Xenon is an in order CPU. Look at 360 exclusives if you want to see the true power of the Xenos. 360 exclusives looked a good bit better than ANY pc game for quite some time...
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#92 -GeordiLaForge-
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Ya someone here should try it, I dont think teh rest of the world would even bother. PC > xbox 360, barely anyone would even question that.TerroRizing
Nobody has questioned that. But 360 exclusives did look much better than PC games for quite some time....
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I think that processor wipes the floor with the one the 360 uses. 3 single process cores vs a proper dual core, hmmm.TerroRizing
Each of the 3 cores uses 2 threads, for a total of 6. But due to the fact that it's an in order CPU, the exclusives built from the ground up are the games that really shine...
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#94 TerroRizing
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

The only you can u is compare the images and graphics and kinda notice the fps drops. Like this comparsion 360 vs Pc with PREY(Doom 3 Engine) back in 2006, midranged pc back then has better graphics. http://www.gamespot.com/features/6154261/p-3.html

Why can't people understand this?? PC code is meant to be executed out of order. The Xenon is an in order CPU. Look at 360 exclusives if you want to see the true power of the Xenos. 360 exclusives looked a good bit better than ANY pc game for quite some time...

which 360 exclusives are you talking about? The only one that I can remember thinking even looked good was gears of war, which runs crazy well on any half decent gaming pc.
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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]Ya someone here should try it, I dont think teh rest of the world would even bother. PC > xbox 360, barely anyone would even question that.-GeordiLaForge-
Nobody has questioned that. But 360 exclusives did look much better than PC games for quite some time....

No they dont, look at every multiplat game ever made thats been made for 360 and Pc even thou the 360 is their primary focus, Pc still ends on top even with the mid ranged pc parts. Cod 4 for example on 360 was IW's main focus but yet since they know what they are doing since they started out on Pc did a great job on it and the Pc version looks 2x better so does Cod WAW. And the thing is I OWN A 360! and the graphics are no where even close even to my Pc, Gears at war,Bioshock,Assassins Creed, GTA 4, and many other 360 focused games lack the resolution,texture detail,draw distance, and cut things out to conserve space and memory. When the 360 came out and up to 2006 it had good looking games for the time, Even with Oblivion which was another 360 focused game strangely looked much better on my poor old geforce 6600 which had more effects,textures etc. The 360 may have some standards that gpu's now use but the fact is that its a gimped piece of hardware, If it was so powerful out come it has to upconvert 99% of the games plus have effects and extras missing that the Pc version has. Just please stop making the 360 a tech marvel when its not. You are starting to sound like a consolite, I know you love your Pc and did a wonderful job on that watercooling of yours. But when 90+% of people online say its a modifed 1900Xt or 2****, Heres some tech info of the 360's gpu:

The 232M transistors on GPU unit is about 40% more than those found on ATI's RADEON X800 (R420/423) GPU, and is almost equal to NVidia's GeForce 6800(NV40) system (222,000,000).

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This thread has completely digressed into a foolish epeen competition. And geordi, you have accomplished the mythical 5-post. Insta-fail. Nitpicking over the supposed architecture similarities of different cards and the 360's proprietary hardware is ridiculous and foolish. The original poster was simply asking how his setup performs in relation to the 360...and the short answer is that any gaming PC worth its salt (including the topic creator's) made in the last two years trashes the 360 badly. The Xenos may have all these fancy features (no one is debating that), but that is irrelevant in real world situations, where the advanced capabilities do not result in overall better graphics. Graphics are not subjective: they can be measured in frames per second and detail levels. When it first came out the 360 did look fantastic, particularly on exclusive to 360 titles. But there is no longer any competition between PCs and the 360, and there has not been for several years.
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#97 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="theragu40"]This thread has completely digressed into a foolish epeen competition. And geordi, you have accomplished the mythical 5-post. Insta-fail. Nitpicking over the supposed architecture similarities of different cards and the 360's proprietary hardware is ridiculous and foolish. The original poster was simply asking how his setup performs in relation to the 360...and the short answer is that any gaming PC worth its salt (including the topic creator's) made in the last two years trashes the 360 badly. The Xenos may have all these fancy features (no one is debating that), but that is irrelevant in real world situations, where the advanced capabilities do not result in overall better graphics. Graphics are not subjective: they can be measured in frames per second and detail levels. When it first came out the 360 did look fantastic, particularly on exclusive to 360 titles. But there is no longer any competition between PCs and the 360, and there has not been for several years.

I never detested that fact. I'm a PC gamer afterall. I merely corrected peoples misconceptions about the Xenos. It is not an x1800, and it can't be compared to a DX9 GPU of any kind. That's the only point that I tried to make. People have just been skewing things that I say to make it look like I said something that i didn't... So how exactly did I fail?
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[QUOTE="theragu40"]This thread has completely digressed into a foolish epeen competition. And geordi, you have accomplished the mythical 5-post. Insta-fail. Nitpicking over the supposed architecture similarities of different cards and the 360's proprietary hardware is ridiculous and foolish. The original poster was simply asking how his setup performs in relation to the 360...and the short answer is that any gaming PC worth its salt (including the topic creator's) made in the last two years trashes the 360 badly. The Xenos may have all these fancy features (no one is debating that), but that is irrelevant in real world situations, where the advanced capabilities do not result in overall better graphics. Graphics are not subjective: they can be measured in frames per second and detail levels. When it first came out the 360 did look fantastic, particularly on exclusive to 360 titles. But there is no longer any competition between PCs and the 360, and there has not been for several years.-GeordiLaForge-
I never detested that fact. I'm a PC gamer afterall. I merely corrected peoples misconceptions about the Xenos. It is not an x1800, and it can't be compared to a DX9 GPU of any kind. That's the only point that I tried to make. People have just been skewing things that I say to make it look like I said something that i didn't... So how exactly did I fail?

Problem is that it is a Direct x 9/SM 3 gpu and a geforce 7800gt out does it when a pc port is done correctly. But you were also saying things like "that nothing on the PC during that time even compares to the shader detail in 360 launch games" which was/is false, ie Cod2 a launch game could be done on high settings same shader detail with a Geforce 6 series card.
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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="AcesTranquility"]

i was only guessing lol.... but i guess your right a bout the medium settings.

-GeordiLaForge-

COD4 runs at 1024x600 on the 360/PS3. About the same resolution that a 9" netbook uses, though with 2xAA.

Once again, PC games ported to the 360 do nothing to show the power of the Xenos. Code meant to be executed out of order does not work well with an in order processor... Besides, how are the framerates and textures on that "netbook?"

Since I wasn't talking about actually playing it with a netbook, it runs great on my gaming PC. Especially at netbook resolutions, as I mentioned. Besides that, the game was developed console-first and ported to the PC. The PC just happens to kick the hell out of that engine in particular compared to consoles.

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Geordi, you're probably one of those people who believes AMD an NVidia have top secret video cards 10 years ahead of time only the NASA has access to.

Well think again. That type of hardware doers not evenexist. Even if it did, it would costs millions and console manufacturers don't put million dollar chips into consoles, quite the contrary. They put in the cheapest parts and mass manufacture them to cut the costs. The Xenos iscomparable to a X1900 chip, which was the best thing available on the drawing boards at the time the console specs were finalized.

The thing isn't even close to a 8800GTX. The only reason early 360 games looked better than PC games at that timeis because unlike console games, pc games are not (typically) made to take advantage of the latest videocards. Instead they aim for a more common technological standard 2 or 3 years behind current high-end tech.

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Gog you are my second idol. I'm adding you to the list... rofl :D