ME2 Marks the beginning of the end for PC gaming...

This is pathetic imo...

It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.

Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...

It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...

And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...

hmm, I haven't played ME2 yet, but when I played ME1, it did feel like console port, but I enjoyed it overall.

Get over it Erratic. If we had more games like ME2 and less shovelware, the PC would be great.

ME2 is a fantastic game.

TC is "that" part of the PC community I dislike so much. The "whiny" people.

ME2 was MADE to work well on both the 360 and the PC without any drastic changes in the gameplay. Just because a PC game works well on a console does not mean that it was made for consoles. This thread is the beginning of the end of PC gaming....Iantheone

This is pathetic imo...

It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.

Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...

It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...

And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...

Erratic_Knight

Bla bla bla... who cares? Beginning of the end??? Really? Where the hell have you been? The Beginning of the end happened 3 or 4 years ago! We all know games are made for console first and PC second... duh!! Consoles are where the money is.

Given your post, and how out of touch you seem to be I'm going to have to break some other bad news to you... The audio CD is pretty much dead. Yeah man most people listen to music from .mp3's now.Sorry to break that news to you too on the same day...

As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.

As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.

Aslyum_Beast

Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...

[QUOTE="Aslyum_Beast"]

As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.

Erratic_Knight

Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...

[QUOTE="Aslyum_Beast"]

As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.

Erratic_Knight

Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...

[QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"]

[QUOTE="Aslyum_Beast"]

As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.

BackHatch

Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...

Agreed, might as well not have the game on PC if you're not going to take advantages of the platform's features. I don't play on PC just to play console ports with kb&m and slightly higher resolution.

Probably why I only buy PC exclusive games or games that are clear that they were made on PC first then consoles later.

Agreed, might as well not have the game on PC if you're not going to take advantages of the platform's features. I don't play on PC just to play console ports with kb&m and slightly higher resolution.HenriH-42

Get over it Erratic. If we had more games like ME2 and less shovelware, the PC would be great.

millerlight89

Beyond that what, exactly, are the PC's features? I'm all for PC exclusives, but careless sweeping statements really annoy me. "PC Game" is not a genre.jedinat

It might as well be. When you look at a game, you can easily tell if it was made for consoles or for PC. Just take a look at, for example, Heroes of Might and Magic on PS2 and HoMM III on PC. Or Oblivion vs Morrowind. Bioshock vs System Shock, etc. You can feel what platform the game was designed for by just playing it.

As to what are PC's features? Well, the menu and the interface should be designed for keyboard and mouse. Taking a look at Morrowind vs Oblivion again, it's fairly obvious which had a HUD designed for which platform. The text and HUD should be small and contain as much information as possible. The game should allow to save anywhere, unless it's something like Penumbra. You should have complete control over the game's settings, whether it's graphics, sound or controls. If it's multiplayer it should have dedicated servers. The control should feel more than just the mouse emulating the analog stick (see Dead Space). I'm sure I'm forgetting lots of things, but you get the idea.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]I think HenriH-42 covered up everything. Its one thing to play a game with all kinda settings like anisotropic, vsync, antialising, and physics and AGEIA incoparation plus ACTUAL DX10 and DX11 features and not pretending that those features are there. I just dont get it, cant they see that pc can take higher detail in texture quality? Why do i have to see blurry textures from the console version and i cant override those setings by myself? Why cant i have an inventory in games like bioshock and why the inventory gotta be like eg fallout 3 and not big with full mouse support like stalker and system shock? Why i cant install mods on games like eg: borderlands? Or why i have to play bionic commando and see x360 buttons?Arach666

Doesn't that kill the whole point of having those settings in game, or the developers working into the pc version beeing a superio product on its own and not a polished port from the console which is manily the man versions for games nowadays?

ME1 sucked too, big deal.

God Mass Effect IS a console game. It was a 360 game in the beginning and nothing has changed.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="dakan45"]I think HenriH-42 covered up everything. Its one thing to play a game with all kinda settings like anisotropic, vsync, antialising, and physics and AGEIA incoparation plus ACTUAL DX10 and DX11 features and not pretending that those features are there. I just dont get it, cant they see that pc can take higher detail in texture quality? Why do i have to see blurry textures from the console version and i cant override those setings by myself? Why cant i have an inventory in games like bioshock and why the inventory gotta be like eg fallout 3 and not big with full mouse support like stalker and system shock? Why i cant install mods on games like eg: borderlands? Or why i have to play bionic commando and see x360 buttons?dakan45

Doesn't that kill the whole point of having those settings in game, or the developers working into the pc version beeing a superio product on its own and not a polished port from the console which is manily the man versions for games nowadays?

Oh well,maybe you have a point there...

[QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"]

This is pathetic imo...

It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.

Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...

It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...

And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...

dakan45

Get over it Erratic. If we had more games like ME2 and less shovelware, the PC would be great.

millerlight89

This is pathetic imo...

It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.

Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...

It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...

And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...

Erratic_Knight

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"]

This is pathetic imo...

It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.

Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...

It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...

And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...kevy619

So i am complaining that the pc version quality is lowered from the previous game and you dont have superior full control and customazation on graphical capabilities in order to set the graphics higher than the console version, and you telling me to sell my pc and get the game for a console where its known that the graphics in consoles are not as good as the pc version because of the sole reason being able to adjuct the settings higher than the consoles!!

Nice, vey nice indeed :roll:!!

The elitism and extreme ignorance is so overwhelming that I don't even know where to start here.mo0ksi

[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="dakan45"] 100% agree with the tc, i say 100% because he also made the same point i made on the fact that people pirate games becuase the pc version is too consolish to bother. Anyway i guess i most definetly not the only one who thinks that the pc version quality of ME2 is worse than the first!!dakan45

So i am complaining that the pc version quality is lowered from the previous game and you dont have superior full control and customazation on graphical capabilities in order to set the graphics higher than the console version, and you telling me to sell my pc and get the game for a console where its known that the graphics in consoles are not as good as the pc version because of the sole reason being able to adjuct the settings higher than the consoles!!

Nice, vey nice indeed :roll:!!

Wow talk about a dramatic statement, no Mass Effect 2 doesn't "mark the beginning of the end for PC gaming". The problems with ME 2 are purely down to a few bad design decisions on Bioware's part. These decisions are not limited to the PC version, the console version also has some pretty bad design decisions. In many ways the PC control scheme makes ME 2 massively better on the PC than the console, you just need to look at the number of xbox users complain about the planet scanning (on the PC it is a breeze, boring but still a breeze).

We can complain as much as we like but at the end of the day Mass Effect 2 is still BETTER on the PC. The console version runs at 1280 x 720 and 30fps with no AA. On my modest PC (quad with GTX260) I can get 1680 x 1050 @ 60fps with 4xAA and yes the PC version does look a hell of a lot better for it. Not to mention that aiming and shooting in the game is much more enjoyable with a mouse and keyboard.

Hopefully with the final Mass Effect Bioware will take on board the criticisms and correct the design decisions they made in both versions. This is a fantastic game on the PC which has a few blemishes that need correcting.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="kevy619"] omg, just get out. sell your pc get a console and leave the pc forums alone.kevy619

So i am complaining that the pc version quality is lowered from the previous game and you dont have superior full control and customazation on graphical capabilities in order to set the graphics higher than the console version, and you telling me to sell my pc and get the game for a console where its known that the graphics in consoles are not as good as the pc version because of the sole reason being able to adjuct the settings higher than the consoles!!

Nice, vey nice indeed :roll:!!

:roll: You have no idea what the hell i was talking about. What i said is that quality of the pc version is worse than the previous version. The gamedevelopers put less effort on the pc version than the previous game. All gamedevelopers do that and thats the reason games dont sell well to pc. But you mind is stuck on the game itself and not on the game as a product on the pc. I am not saying that "overall" ME2 is worst game than the first or the pc version is worse than the console version or god knows what else you think i am saying! What i am saying is that the pc version could have been better as a pc product but your minds are stuck on ME bein riddicusly awesome. My post in this thread has nothing to do towards hating mass effect 2 as a game. I was pointing out that the pc version is not that good (not that its bad, or its not the best, just that its not that good) Now why i did that? Because of one of the previous post in a thread that you called "missinformation" So lets not go there again!!

So yeah i need to reevaluate being a pc gamer for wanting superior capabilities on the pc version and wanting the gamedevelopers to bother more with the pc version to make it more suitable for pc crowd with various tweaks on graphics, control, ui, gameplay, etc,etc. That and there is no need to remove stuff like the invenotry and other stuff they REMOVED from mass effect 2!! But you are right, i should get the game on console instead when i wont have the ability to tweak the settings. Besides thats what bioware did, they REMOVED stuff and the ability to tweak settings;). So who knows maybe you ME2 fans are right, removing features from a game makes it better and improve the overall experiance as a game and a product!!! :lol:

oh come on dude.why dont you just print a sign and stand on a street corner and scream at passersby like all the normal prophets od doom

PC gaming... Happily dying since 1985.

Wait wasnt Halo 1 going to the Xbox the beggining of the end for the PC?

Man you prophets gotta step your game up. Predict soemthing right for once.

truly speaking most PC gamers now a days prefer simplified games (see : Oblivion - user score : 9.3) , so as people are getting what they want, how is it the end ?naval

[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="dakan45"]

So i am complaining that the pc version quality is lowered from the previous game and you dont have superior full control and customazation on graphical capabilities in order to set the graphics higher than the console version, and you telling me to sell my pc and get the game for a console where its known that the graphics in consoles are not as good as the pc version because of the sole reason being able to adjuct the settings higher than the consoles!!

Nice, vey nice indeed :roll:!!dakan45

:roll: You have no idea what the hell i was talking about. What i said is that quality of the pc version is worse than the previous version. The gamedevelopers put less effort on the pc version than the previous game. All gamedevelopers do that and thats the reason games dont sell well to pc. But you mind is stuck on the game itself and not on the game as a product on the pc. I am not saying that "overall" ME2 is worst game than the first or the pc version is worse than the console version or god knows what else you think i am saying! What i am saying is that the pc version could have been better as a pc product but your minds are stuck on ME bein riddicusly awesome. My post in this thread has nothing to do towards hating mass effect 2 as a game. I was pointing out that the pc version is not that good (not that its bad, or its not the best, just that its not that good) Now why i did that? Because of one of the previous post in a thread that you called "missinformation" So lets not go there again!!

So yeah i need to reevaluate being a pc gamer for wanting superior capabilities on the pc version and wanting the gamedevelopers to bother more with the pc version to make it more suitable for pc crowd with various tweaks on graphics, control, ui, gameplay, etc,etc. That and there is no need to remove stuff like the invenotry and other stuff they REMOVED from mass effect 2!! But you are right, i should get the game on console instead when i wont have the ability to tweak the settings. Besides thats what bioware did, they REMOVED stuff and the ability to tweak settings;). So who knows maybe you ME2 fans are right, removing features from a game makes it better and improve the overall experiance as a game and a product!!! :lol:

[QUOTE="Aslyum_Beast"]

As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.

Erratic_Knight

Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...

I do agree with you that they should of fixed the free planet exploration rather than remove it completely. Exploration was boring 'cause the planets were practically devoid of anything interesting worth exploring. Seems to me they should of made it more interesting, added more things to see and do, not remove it completely. To hear people say that removing it completely was good move by Bioware has me scratching my head.

[QUOTE="naval"]truly speaking most PC gamers now a days prefer simplified games (see : Oblivion - user score : 9.3) , so as people are getting what they want, how is it the end ?kevy619

Edit : For ex:-

Combat : Button click fest

Character C1asses - Not really important, can become anything you want

Challennge - None due to scaling

Consequences - none Really

Exploration - Extremely simplified with quick travel an all.

Where is this depth ?

except the quality isnt lower in the sequel, overall its actually higher. In the end you're agreeing with the tc saying that this is a sign of the end of pc gaming, if you really think that you need to reevaluate being a pc gamer.kevy619

:roll: You have no idea what the hell i was talking about. What i said is that quality of the pc version is worse than the previous version. The gamedevelopers put less effort on the pc version than the previous game. All gamedevelopers do that and thats the reason games dont sell well to pc. But you mind is stuck on the game itself and not on the game as a product on the pc. I am not saying that "overall" ME2 is worst game than the first or the pc version is worse than the console version or god knows what else you think i am saying! What i am saying is that the pc version could have been better as a pc product but your minds are stuck on ME bein riddicusly awesome. My post in this thread has nothing to do towards hating mass effect 2 as a game. I was pointing out that the pc version is not that good (not that its bad, or its not the best, just that its not that good) Now why i did that? Because of one of the previous post in a thread that you called "missinformation" So lets not go there again!!

So yeah i need to reevaluate being a pc gamer for wanting superior capabilities on the pc version and wanting the gamedevelopers to bother more with the pc version to make it more suitable for pc crowd with various tweaks on graphics, control, ui, gameplay, etc,etc. That and there is no need to remove stuff like the invenotry and other stuff they REMOVED from mass effect 2!! But you are right, i should get the game on console instead when i wont have the ability to tweak the settings. Besides thats what bioware did, they REMOVED stuff and the ability to tweak settings;). So who knows maybe you ME2 fans are right, removing features from a game makes it better and improve the overall experiance as a game and a product!!! :lol:

[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="dakan45"]

:roll: You have no idea what the hell i was talking about. What i said is that quality of the pc version is worse than the previous version. The gamedevelopers put less effort on the pc version than the previous game. All gamedevelopers do that and thats the reason games dont sell well to pc. But you mind is stuck on the game itself and not on the game as a product on the pc. I am not saying that "overall" ME2 is worst game than the first or the pc version is worse than the console version or god knows what else you think i am saying! What i am saying is that the pc version could have been better as a pc product but your minds are stuck on ME bein riddicusly awesome. My post in this thread has nothing to do towards hating mass effect 2 as a game. I was pointing out that the pc version is not that good (not that its bad, or its not the best, just that its not that good) Now why i did that? Because of one of the previous post in a thread that you called "missinformation" So lets not go there again!!

So yeah i need to reevaluate being a pc gamer for wanting superior capabilities on the pc version and wanting the gamedevelopers to bother more with the pc version to make it more suitable for pc crowd with various tweaks on graphics, control, ui, gameplay, etc,etc. That and there is no need to remove stuff like the invenotry and other stuff they REMOVED from mass effect 2!! But you are right, i should get the game on console instead when i wont have the ability to tweak the settings. Besides thats what bioware did, they REMOVED stuff and the ability to tweak settings;). So who knows maybe you ME2 fans are right, removing features from a game makes it better and improve the overall experiance as a game and a product!!! :lol:

Gooeykat