Modern Warfare 2 is worth it

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

You certainly nailed the points in your post. While the game suffers from no dedicated servers or mod support, the game in itself is still a marvelous game to play. I will recommend it if your hardware meets the system requirements.

I would say it is. The only reason people are saying it is bad because of the points TC listed. Other than that is a great game. If you don't really mind having the same features as the console versions then yea get it, i did.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience.

Its a PC game built upon console foundtations.

Cali3350

it's a direct port, with mouse and keyboard support and higher resolution...right?

this post is no less redundant than all the pre-release hyping and dissing MW2 threads.

the game is never not worth it for those who's been pimping the game from the get go -- basically, multiplaform-console consumers who appreciate or even desire console experience on PC (there are people who always hype multiplaform games and take no interest in PC excluisves, Anno 4, Dragensang, and multiplaform but heavy on the PC side, Risen).

this post will do little to persuade those who stay away from the game because of its stripping away of PC gaming experiences.

but it will make multiplaform-console faithfuls very happy and reassuring that they made and will be making correct choices.

have a great post-release reassuring party.

decent rental when it drops in price MAYBE it will hold a candle to the unique flavour of code of honor 3 bwahahahahaah

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

Cali3350

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

Faber_Fighter

[QUOTE="Faber_Fighter"]

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

biggest_loser

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

Cali3350

I deeply disagree with any point in your post. I think that COD 4 worths the money and beats MW 2 in any aspect -from the mp options, the ds and mods support, the stability of the communities and sense of competition and gameplay aspects as the absence of rewards to the worse players, and the way in that it forces you to play against skilled players to learn instead of confining you in a matchfinding category to play against people of your similar skills. Campaign in COD 4 is also larger and the plot more credible (MW 2 looks like a b-action movie or a forgettable Bond film from the 90's).

But is more that the simple fact of "MW 2 doesn't worth the money" to me but the fact that supporting MW 2 means to change he actual status of quality in online fps in PC towards a nerfed status, a big back step based in a business model (Xbox Live) in which you pay a fee to play online being yourself the host, that is totally absurd.

My local ebgames here in Australia say there will be a sale for MW2. I might buy it then since Im sick of WaW

Despite understanding why some of the COD4 fans would not like this game, I completely agree with your post.

This game has kept me well entertained, even more than COD4, and for me that works. I don't regret I've paid for this game.

Keep this console **** off the PC boards plz its a sorry excuse of a game.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]... Don't be so pedantic. You're worrying about the bars instead of digits, c'mon. The P2P system has worked quite well for me so far. A lot better than everyone predicted. WDT-BlackKat

There are some games you can play up to 18 players though.

But 9v9 is fine because you're not getting killed every three seconds. With a lot of those 30 player games in COD4 like Crossover you'd spawn and then get sniped straight away.

I think you're really pushing into the tinfoil hat territory by suggesting that the green bar could mean some evil ping number.

I dont know if there is anything that will convince you people that the P2P system actually works, which so far, it does...

You can play with the same people. You just have to invite them using Steam. Extremely easy.

[QUOTE="Faber_Fighter"]

[QUOTE="Cali3350"]

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

biggest_loser

You can play with the same people. You just have to invite them using Steam. Extremely easy.

biggest_loser

A dedicated server hosting matches 24/7 is way easier, efficient and credible as a starting point to beguin a stable community than random invitations in your friend list. Plus in games with 24 to 64 players clans usually trains making more than one team to improve tactics and coordination. With the severe handicap of the absence of permanent IP hosting and the cap limit of 12-18 players there's no way for clans to grow and work.

This is the reason because old games as Enemy Teritory and CS are overshadowing any fps in console in terms of tournaments and competitions.If you look carefully the numbers from multimillion selling titles as Halo 3 in consoles, you will be aware that there's a absolute lack of competition and tournaments when you compare it against the most popular fps in PC. Look how big are the H3 sales vs Battlefield 2 and how small is the Halo 3 competitive scene compared to BF 2 scene.

Keep this console **** off the PC boards plz its a sorry excuse of a game.

Varny

Haha .. what i find so funny, reading through the players reviews is that most say this i'snt the best game from IW, but they still give it a 9.5 or 10 .. huh?

Only when it's in the bargain bin.

Ive tried to remain open minded about this and after having played it on my roomates computer im confident in saying its worth it.

Infinity Ward took a lot out of the PC experience. They DID take out dedicateds, they DID hurt the mod community. They also made an amazing game. While the game is lacking a lot of functionality PC gamers have come to expect its also not a throwaway. They have implemented Matchmaking and IWNET (I know you hate the idea) as well as they possibly could have. While they have 'abandoned' PC players they have not simply thrown us garbage. This isnt a 'cheap console port'. Its a PC game built upon console foundtations. While I hate the idea i appreciate they took the time to make the PC game real and not a throwaway cash cow. Thats what I like.

At the end of the day I want a developer to support the PC as much as they do consoles. As far as I can tell IW has done that here. Not what I wanted, but a hell of a lot better then I was expecting.

Cali3350

It is a cheap console port.
It is a throaway cash chow.
IW has not supported the PC.

Oh wonderful, another nail in the coffin of PC gaming. If I wanted to play console games I would have already been lobotomized and bought a console. Any PC gamer who buys this game should be ashamed of themselves for supporting a developer who is helping dilute and marginalize the PC as a gaming platform (not to mention IW's greed of charging more than the industry standard for the game).

Kudos guys! Really, thanks for helping destroy PC gaming. I am really starting to despise this new generation of gamers who are so willing to bend over and take it while they pay more for less.

So now we have the same $60 dollar Rollar Coaster ride as consoles do...

Oh wonderful, another nail in the coffin of PC gaming. If I wanted to play console games I would have already been lobotomized and bought a console. Any PC gamer who buys this game should be ashamed of themselves for supporting a developer who is helping dilute and marginalize the PC as a gaming platform (not to mention IW's greed of charging more than the industry standard for the game).

Kudos guys! Really, thanks for helping destroy PC gaming. I am really starting to despise this new generation of gamers who are so willing to bend over and take it while they pay more for less.

-wildflower-

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]There is nothing wrong with the PC version, you now get less hackers and dont have to go through the searching server system, yay. People just complain because they want something to complain about and to smash some hate on consoles.DiffusionE

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]There is nothing wrong with the PC version, you now get less hackers and dont have to go through the searching server system, yay. People just complain because they want something to complain about and to smash some hate on consoles.DiffusionE

There is nothing wrong with the PC version, you now get less hackers and dont have to go through the searching server system, yay. People just complain because they want something to complain about and to smash some hate on consoles.V4LENT1NE

They took some things out and added others. Fair trade? Who knows?

I wouldn't be surprised if they removed dedis and the other stuff specifically because the so-called hardcore PC community bashed COD4 to no end. A game for noobs! Perks are a noobish gimmick! No skill required! Bad maps! Bad weapons! Etc etc.

Now they showed you what a game for noobs truly means :P

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]Yeah, It's easily the best single player FPS since the original MW. I am loving every minute of it.IronValoR

Dude, you have 37,000 posts.. no wonder you like the game. theres prob not a game you don't like.

You certainly nailed the points in your post. While the game suffers from no dedicated servers or mod support, the game in itself is still a marvelous game to play. I will recommend it if your hardware meets the system requirements.

OoSuperMarioO

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]There is nothing wrong with the PC version, you now get less hackers and dont have to go through the searching server system, yay. People just complain because they want something to complain about and to smash some hate on consoles.DiffusionE

Less hackers? You obviously haven't seen this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MdSwgKtSYg&feature=player_embedded

And if you think browsing through the different dedicated servers on MW1 was hard work, then you must be one lazy bastard.

Well of course hacks that come out will work straight away but they will have to update all the time plus there's no way to tell if a hack is detected in time because VAC waits about 2 weeks before it bans your account. Either way VAC sure as hell works a lot better than punk busters... running into extreme hackers on CSS and TF2 seems to be quite rare these days, wallers are persistent but there's only so much you can do I guess.

Sorry not trying to defend MW2 *insert MW2 rage here*. I just know VAC will do a much better job than PB.

[QUOTE="DiffusionE"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]There is nothing wrong with the PC version, you now get less hackers and dont have to go through the searching server system, yay. People just complain because they want something to complain about and to smash some hate on consoles.the_mitch28

Less hackers? You obviously haven't seen this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MdSwgKtSYg&feature=player_embedded

And if you think browsing through the different dedicated servers on MW1 was hard work, then you must be one lazy bastard.

Well of course hacks that come out will work straight away but they will have to update all the time plus there's no way to tell if a hack is detected in time because VAC waits about 2 weeks before it bans your account. Either way VAC sure as hell works a lot better than punk busters... running into extreme hackers on CSS and TF2 seems to be quite rare these days, wallers are persistent but there's only so much you can do I guess.

Sorry not trying to defend MW2 *insert MW2 rage here*. I just know VAC will do a much better job than PB.

I just don't see it being worth the price tag. $60 is way too much for a game lacking certain features. They took away features from CoD4, and then charge more for it? Something is inherently wrong with that.zomglolcats

[QUOTE="zomglolcats"]I just don't see it being worth the price tag. $60 is way too much for a game lacking certain features. They took away features from CoD4, and then charge more for it? Something is inherently wrong with that.bblundell

I deeply disagree with any point in your post. I think that COD 4 worths the money and beats MW 2 in any aspect -from the mp options, the ds and mods support, the stability of the communities and sense of competition and gameplay aspects as the absence of rewards to the worse players, and the way in that it forces you to play against skilled players to learn instead of confining you in a matchfinding category to play against people of your similar skills. Campaign in COD 4 is also larger and the plot more credible (MW 2 looks like a b-action movie or a forgettable Bond film from the 90's).

But is more that the simple fact of "MW 2 doesn't worth the money" to me but the fact that supporting MW 2 means to change he actual status of quality in online fps in PC towards a nerfed status, a big back step based in a business model (Xbox Live) in which you pay a fee to play online being yourself the host, that is totally absurd.

Ondoval

You bring up one point that I agree with 100% and that no one seem to see or agree with. But it's really been bugging me (.. sorry something of a rant comming up).

A large part of what made MW1's single player work so well was that it did a great job of creating the illusion of realistic military actions and missions. Sure the gameplay was pretty basic and it wasn't Arma2, but it created the illusion.

MW2 completely throws that out of the window. If MW1 was inspired by movies like Blackhawk Down, MW2 is inspired by James Bond and Invasion USA (The old 80ies Chuck Noris Movie).

The character in MW1 looked and acted like what you'd probably expect from realy people and real soldiers. The characters in MW2 behave like action heroes from a B movie or a cartoon:

'Soap' looks more like an A team reject than anything

The Ghost character.. seriously, do Elite soldiers from top outfits often draw childish skull masks on their helmets when they deploy? Or is that only in cartoons?

Russia able to magically invade USA in a matter of hours? Not only are they able to completely negate all US defenses, radars, satellites, sonar's, AWAC planes by getting a widget off a US satellite. But they manage to deploy hundreds of fighter planes over the US (regardless of such planes limited range and fuel availability).

They manage to pour so many troops into the US almost instantly that they outnumber US forces and have the spare personal so randomly run around and blow up empty suburban neighborhoods out of sheer spite? To fight pitched infantry battles over the local burger king and Taco Bell?

There's more, the whole 'escaping the Russians in a super fast snowmobile after doing a 100m jump off a cliff' would make fir right into some of James Bonds more outlandish stunts, but in a game that takes itself very serious and have no hint of self irony or playfulness it's just plain embarrassing.

I'm really confused how so many people keep talking about the single player campaigns as if it's a special emotional invoking epic. It's a run of the mill B movie plot lacking any degree of self irony and humor.

MW2 is a satire, just like MW1.

[QUOTE="Ondoval"]

I deeply disagree with any point in your post. I think that COD 4 worths the money and beats MW 2 in any aspect -from the mp options, the ds and mods support, the stability of the communities and sense of competition and gameplay aspects as the absence of rewards to the worse players, and the way in that it forces you to play against skilled players to learn instead of confining you in a matchfinding category to play against people of your similar skills. Campaign in COD 4 is also larger and the plot more credible (MW 2 looks like a b-action movie or a forgettable Bond film from the 90's).

But is more that the simple fact of "MW 2 doesn't worth the money" to me but the fact that supporting MW 2 means to change he actual status of quality in online fps in PC towards a nerfed status, a big back step based in a business model (Xbox Live) in which you pay a fee to play online being yourself the host, that is totally absurd.

Mazoch

You bring up one point that I agree with 100% and that no one seem to see or agree with. But it's really been bugging me (.. sorry something of a rant comming up).

A large part of what made MW1's single player work so well was that it did a great job of creating the illusion of realistic military actions and missions. Sure the gameplay was pretty basic and it wasn't Arma2, but it created the illusion.

MW2 completely throws that out of the window. If MW1 was inspired by movies like Blackhawk Down, MW2 is inspired by James Bond and Invasion USA (The old 80ies Chuck Noris Movie).

The character in MW1 looked and acted like what you'd probably expect from realy people and real soldiers. The characters in MW2 behave like action heroes from a B movie or a cartoon:

'Soap' looks more like an A team reject than anything

The Ghost character.. seriously, do Elite soldiers from top outfits often draw childish skull masks on their helmets when they deploy? Or is that only in cartoons?

Russia able to magically invade USA in a matter of hours? Not only are they able to completely negate all US defenses, radars, satellites, sonar's, AWAC planes by getting a widget off a US satellite. But they manage to deploy hundreds of fighter planes over the US (regardless of such planes limited range and fuel availability).

They manage to pour so many troops into the US almost instantly that they outnumber US forces and have the spare personal so randomly run around and blow up empty suburban neighborhoods out of sheer spite? To fight pitched infantry battles over the local burger king and Taco Bell?

There's more, the whole 'escaping the Russians in a super fast snowmobile after doing a 100m jump off a cliff' would make fir right into some of James Bonds more outlandish stunts, but in a game that takes itself very serious and have no hint of self irony or playfulness it's just plain embarrassing.

I'm really confused how so many people keep talking about the single player campaigns as if it's a special emotional invoking epic. It's a run of the mill B movie plot lacking any degree of self irony and humor.