MW2 > Black Ops technically..?

Don't start flaming, I am asking a question.

- ENGINE: I never had engine/lag/performance problems with MW2, with Black Ops some levels stutter and lag (after latest patch performance is better but still not perfect as MW2 was).

- MP: I know everyone hated MW2's Online system, and everyone was happy when dedicated servers was announced for Black Ops, but I've never had lag issues with MW2 (maybe once or twice when it connected me to USA), but with Black Ops, even when I'm using a Sydney Server sometimes it lags for me and other players.

- MAPS: This is more of a personal taste. I feel the maps in BlackOps are too fragmented in most places. Like each area has 2,3 or even 4 entry points and it's very hard to take a defensive stance (or it's sometimes useless). I felt MW had more cover areas....

By no means am I saying Black Ops is bad.....it's great and I'm playing MP all week....but these things got me wondering:

I'm gonna get killed for saying this but I honestly think MW2 is a better gamegmaster456

To me, Black Ops > MW2 in every way. I have no technical issues with it. Graphics look great. Gunplay and controls are way more slick than MW2's. Multiplayer is a lot more fun. I could go on..Elann2008

I'm gonna get killed for saying this but I honestly think MW2 is a better gamegmaster456

same here tbh, black ops feels a bit rushed and much less polished

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]I'm gonna get killed for saying this but I honestly think MW2 is a better gameMacutchi

same here tbh, black ops feels a bit rushed and much less polished

At the end of the day you're debating which modifed version of id tech 3 is better. Two slightly different iterations of a 10 year old engine... moot point.

At the end of the day you're debating which modifed version of id tech 3 is better. Two slightly different iterations of a 10 year old engine... moot point.

Brendissimo35

I havent played Black Ops yet but from what I seen Black Ops is more rushed in area's but the plaguing glitches that were in MW2 were fixed in Black Ops.Vexx88

Graphics look great. Elann2008

To me, Black Ops > MW2 in every way. I have no technical issues with it. Graphics look great. Gunplay and controls are way more slick than MW2's. Multiplayer is a lot more fun. I could go on..Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Graphics look great. KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="Vexx88"]I havent played Black Ops yet but from what I seen Black Ops is more rushed in area's but the plaguing glitches that were in MW2 were fixed in Black Ops.FelipeInside

True that. I haven't had any trouble since the first update. MW2 is a terrible game, with terrible online. BO may be giving people issues, but I can't dock something tat I haven't had any issues with. [QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Graphics look great. Millerlight

Yeah, I prefer most things about MW2. I like the character customization in Black Ops and all the new guns, but the map design is a little too open and ridiculous.. how can you cover a point with your teammates when there are five entrances to the same spot and your enemies can spawn right behind you?

The game runs awful for a lot of people, no denying that.

MW2's IWNet failed to prevent hacking and prestige glitching, and some hosts were pretty laggy, but what it DID succeed in was getting a group of friends together and on the same team. It's very rare to actually play on your friend's team when you join a server, and good luck getting 3 or 5 people playing on the same team.

MW2's gunplay also felt far superior to me. The way the weapons felt, and maybe there's a FOV change in there as well because everything in Blops seems a little small.

Don't get me wrong.. I love Black Ops. But I really wish it was a worked over MW2 with dedicated servers, not built from the ground up because they missed the mark in quite a few places.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Graphics look great. KHAndAnime

How is it technically better if it runs on an older engine compared to MW2?

[QUOTE="Millerlight"]
True that. I haven't had any trouble since the first update. MW2 is a terrible game, with terrible online. BO may be giving people issues, but I can't dock something tat I haven't had any issues with. [QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] I knew you were a fanboy :P. I haven't played an uglier game this side of 2008. And from what I've played of MW2, it is indeed technically better (glitches wise), while graphically the same.

KHAndAnime

Couldn't agree more. The gaming masses are being ripped off and loving it.

It's miles better than MW2. I even think it looks better.

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]

[QUOTE="Millerlight"]
Considering how old the engine is, the game looks pretty damn good. Elann is not wrong on this. You haven't played many games if this game is seriously the ugliest for you. Brendissimo35

Couldn't agree more. The gaming masses are being ripped off and loving it.

Graphics wise with CoD (MW2 + BO) it's a bit weird.

I thought the first level of Black Ops looked really bad....but then the "missile launch" level looked amazing....

True, some wall textures are bad, but OVERALL , the way everything is drawn out gives out a good view...

As for the topic, let's not get carried away....I wasn't comparing graphic quality between the two....more like engine performance, online performance and gameplay design....

It's miles better than MW2. I even think it looks better.

Wasdie

they both suck..

I could play MW2 from day one without any fps stuttering. However black ops, every game I have played has no net lag, there are no hackers (that I have seen). I'd say they are even in terms of crappyness. At least the technical issues in black ops can be fixed though. IW.NET was the worst thing about mw2.

I could play MW2 from day one without any fps stuttering. However black ops, every game I have played has no net lag, there are no hackers (that I have seen). I'd say they are even in terms of crappyness. At least the technical issues in black ops can be fixed though. IW.NET was the worst thing about mw2.

October_Tide

I agree with your first 2 points, but I prefer that there's more paths you can take in the maps. The framerate issues (such as napalm strikes) and lag issues keep getting me killed.... and it's usually when I have a blackbird in the air -_-TimmyTortillla

they both suck..

Tuzolord

I could play MW2 from day one without any fps stuttering. However black ops, every game I have played has no net lag, there are no hackers (that I have seen). I'd say they are even in terms of crappyness. At least the technical issues in black ops can be fixed though. IW.NET was the worst thing about mw2.

October_Tide

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]

I could play MW2 from day one without any fps stuttering. However black ops, every game I have played has no net lag, there are no hackers (that I have seen). I'd say they are even in terms of crappyness. At least the technical issues in black ops can be fixed though. IW.NET was the worst thing about mw2.

FelipeInside

Mmm you reckon? I'm not really having any problems with them other than the fact I go to join a game with 17/18 peopel and 99.9999999999r% of the time it says server full. As for not being able to load up all the servers, apparently that is a result of the server list overloading peoples routing tables.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="October_Tide"]

I could play MW2 from day one without any fps stuttering. However black ops, every game I have played has no net lag, there are no hackers (that I have seen). I'd say they are even in terms of crappyness. At least the technical issues in black ops can be fixed though. IW.NET was the worst thing about mw2.

October_Tide

Mmm you reckon? I'm not really having any problems with them other than the fact I go to join a game with 17/18 peopel and 99.9999999999r% of the time it says server full. As for not being able to load up all the servers, apparently that is a result of the server list overloading peoples routing tables.

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Yes, but as of today, IW.net is working BETTER than Dedicated Servers....FelipeInside

Mmm you reckon? I'm not really having any problems with them other than the fact I go to join a game with 17/18 peopel and 99.9999999999r% of the time it says server full. As for not being able to load up all the servers, apparently that is a result of the server list overloading peoples routing tables.

tralalala lol yeah, herpa derpa IW, take the money and run.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="October_Tide"]

Mmm you reckon? I'm not really having any problems with them other than the fact I go to join a game with 17/18 peopel and 99.9999999999r% of the time it says server full. As for not being able to load up all the servers, apparently that is a result of the server list overloading peoples routing tables.

October_Tide

tralalala lol yeah, herpa derpa IW, take the money and run.

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Not just me... but lots of people are having issues with lag and online stuttering.... I'm not saying it can't be fixed, but MW2 worked perfectly from the get-go... so in that sense I saw IW.net worked better... (Of course then came the hackers, the company abandoned the community etc etc)FelipeInside

tralalala lol yeah, herpa derpa IW, take the money and run.

MW2 isn't balanced for people who don't hack. My guess would have been one of their stupid comments before the game came out

MW2 isn't balanced for balance

MW2 isn't balanced for MW2.

EDIT: Mmm interesting, it seems that the last Black ops Patch didn't actually include the 'fix' for the stuttering anyway.

"Treyarch's community manager, JD_2020, has just updated us on what exactly was fixed in the latest patch, but more importantly what wasn't - but will be. As you're probably aware, CPU performance improvements were made, dropping usage and upping frame rates. However poor saps like me on an Nvidia GTX480 are still experiencing hitching and stuttering. If you're in my boat, Treyarch hasn't forgotten about us!

It was believed that GPU optimisations for the lag being experienced was going to make it into the last patch, instead "GPU hitching on certain graphics cards" is still on the to-do list, and we can likely expect that to be addressed next time the game is patched. Other upcoming fixes include"Incomplete server browser results" and "Improvements to Quickmatch joins (results with better ping and reduced lag)".

Meanwhile however, the Xbox 360 has received literally dozens of gameplay adjustments and refinements. From louder footsteps to decreasing the knife lunge distance. Let's cross our fingers, and hope the same amount of effort to balance the game will be put into the PC version."

http://gamers-underground.com/content/841-jd_2020-updates-call-duty-black-ops-fix-list-pc.html

Seeing as how the fix is supposed to be next patch, I hope it won't be more than a week away.

All Call of Duty games are based on the same game engine. Since COD2, there have just been small incremental improvements that really don't amount to much. TBH I thought COD4 MW looked a bit dated. That could be because I had just gotten done playing Crysis.

Anyhow.. Probably half of FPS games ever released are better than Black Ops. It's the most overhyped game ever.. from a massive, bloated cash cow franchise that was once truly great.

The community is goddamn awful as well.KHAndAnime

MW2 feels more refined

Black Ops has more features (such as dedicated servers)

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]The community is goddamn awful as well.FelipeInside

EDIT: I also hate that wage matches/nazi zombies don't work online. I can never get enough players to get a match started. :(

Yes. I would think so. Black Ops is still a pretty damn good looking game, but in direct comparisons, I always think MW2 has a little something extra. Black Ops looks a little too muddy at times.

And yes, MW2 did run flawlessly on my PC where BO has some hiccups here and there. My gripes with MW2 mostly stemmed from Infinity Ward's increasingly poor design choices rather than the actual game.

I haven't ran into a online problem when I played Black Ops, however it took me ages to actually find a decent game in Modern Warfare 2. I feel the perks and weaponry is far more balanced and the only thing that Modern Warfare 2 has over Black Ops is the Spec-Ops missions.

I must just be really lucky, I finished Black OPS campaign and have put quite many hours into the multiplayer, without finding anything that would bother me (performance issues, lag, ugly graphics etc). Also, even if I have finished Crysis and BFBC2 (To name two examples) with all gfx options maxed except for AA, I thought Black OPS looked good. No, not as good as the games just mentioned but still... not once did the word "outdated" come to my mind while playing it.

I have enjoyed everything about Black OPS, while I was not that impressed with MW2 and I hated IWnet, which very often made me end up in unplayable games.

However, since I follow these forums I know BO isn't without issues, I just hope it gets sorted out for everyone.

I rented black ops for PS3 and was absolutely astounded at how bad the graphics were compared to MW2. Then there were framerate drops at certain points. Its absolutely awful for a game made in 2010.

So I was thinking maybe its not that bad on PC. Looks like the same things on the PC. I didn't pay over $1000 on a computer to pay $60 for a game that looks like it was made in 2004, just to have framerate problems.

I prefer MW2 i think...

I went back and tried it out the other day after playing a lot of black ops and my god is it smooth! I couldn't get over how silky smooth the gameplay felt compared to blops.

The maps are sooo much better, like you said there are just too many entry points and hiding spots for campers in blops.

MW2's spawn system wasn't the best but it's a hell of a lot better than blops... I have literally spawned in the middle of a group of enemies multiple times and had enemies constantly spawn behind me. It's frustrating and cheap.

The weapons were more interesting in MW2.. they each felt unique... everything feels way too samey and dull in blops. Also not liking how camos now mean nothing...

Also knife is worse than MW2... God make it something people use as a last resort only, not first.

[QUOTE="Tuzolord"]

they both suck..

FelipeInside

I also think MW2 looks better than Black Ops.

One thing I HATE about Black Ops is spawn system, too awful spawn system. Enemies always appears behind my back and shot me down. Other things is better than MW2, imo.