Nudity in Dragon Age still up for debate

So I was at another gaming site (wont post address, they have certain programs that GS does not condone) but here is the article:

Like they did in Mass Effect, Dragon Age players will be able to have sex with one of their crew members in order to improve their relationship.

In Mass Effect, BioWare decided to avoid nudity in the aforementioned sex scenes, but it seems that they didn't decide yet if they'd do so in Dragon Age as well.

When asked whether Dragon Age: Origins will contain full frontal nudity, BioWare vice president Greg Zeschuk replied: "I don't think we've worked that out yet, because we can adjust that whenever we want, right? On Mass Effect we worked extensively to figure out, how do we want to portray it? It's not ogling pixels [laughs] - sad but probably titillating, too. I think for us it's more just making sure it fits the context of what we're trying to create."

I cannot believe its actually still an issue. We live in a society that has can produce porn and hollywood films with nudity. Why is it so bad in a game likely to be rated M (for mature) anyway?

When are the old folks in charge going to finally realize video games (along with animation) are not strictly for kids?

I just think its sad this is even a problem...if they think the game would be better with nudity, then dammit...put nudity in it.

What do you think?

PS: please keep it mature and clean...I'd like this to be more of a debate about context and content than "Ooooh me want pixel-boobs"

Remember the bogus, false claims on sex with Mass Effect?! (according to Wikipedia >_> ). By adding full nudity, the News centers from all around the world will explode!!

I do agree, but then again im from Europe we are slightly different the the US in this aspect...

All said and done it is considered a mature game, nudity would not bother me, unless they start playing at it.

I mean if it makes sense that a person is nude then I have no problem, but if its just to up sales (and yeah sales will be up), then I kinda see it as bad taste.

I do agree that alot of people fail to see that "games" is a really outdates and just plain wrong for this entertainment form, its evolved into something more akin to interactive story/movie.

It baffles me that people talk about games, like they do, making it clear that most people that bash games, never EVER sat down and playied said product.

Seems like some people simply does not want to be informed, or take a deeper look.

They could go either way and i would not really care to much. I don't think nudity would really ad or take anything away from the game.

nudity, gore - i don't mind, as long as the game is properly rated.

I don't want kids playing a sex simulator!KHAndAnime

Whatever they feel will make their game more appealing to the mass public :P

I don't think it should be a problem for nudity in a game as long as it's rated M 17+. Even in America, sex scenes are becoming very common on public television.

the witcher had nudity but it was pc only so no really cared after all its the only platform that A rated games come out for mainly from japan.but i guess console can't handle the sexy!

It's really sad that this is a problem still in this day and age. The game is rated M. 17 years old. If you havn't seen boobies by the time your 17 theres something wrong with you.DarKre

Sex scenes make sense?

No they don't.

Think about it. In the story of your life, how many times have you had to watch other people have sex, in order to understand your friends, do your job, have empathy for others, live life in general?

Saying that digital voyeurism is necessary to understanding the story or the characters - is just a flat out lie.

If you can't get your idea across without a sex scene = you fail as a storyteller.

I wonder how many of the parents complain about this also take small children to best buy to get GTA 4.

Sex scenes make sense?

No they don't.

Think about it. In the story of your life, how many times have you had to watch other people have sex, in order to understand your friends, do your job, have empathy for others, live life in general?

Saying that digital voyeurism is necessary to understanding the story or the characters - is just a flat out lie.

If you can't get your idea across without a sex scene = you fail as a storyteller.

Born_Lucky

You said: "if they think the game would be better with nudity, then dammit...put nudity in it."

Bioware says: "I think for us it's more just making sure it fits the context of what we're trying to create"

seems to me your problem is solved.

Born_Lucky, you are wrong. Some of the best movies and books have some sort of action going on at some point.

Sex scenes make sense?

No they don't.

Think about it. In the story of your life, how many times have you had to watch other people have sex, in order to understand your friends, do your job, have empathy for others, live life in general?

Saying that digital voyeurism is necessary to understanding the story or the characters - is just a flat out lie.

If you can't get your idea across without a sex scene = you fail as a storyteller.

I've always preferred the real thing then lookin at polygons

nudity, gore - i don't mind, as long as the game is properly rated.

Jinroh_basic

As long as the game is properly rated, then I don't see the problem.That doesn't mean I will play the game. I actually don't play any games rated M. If they want to have nudity in the game, then rate the game M for Mature is all I'm saying. No problem there.

Do we really NEED nudity in games? biggest_loser

Just do what The Witcher did. Come out with a censored and uncensored versions with different ratings (T for censored and M for uncensored).

Its not so much a question of games being strictly for kids, its more about having access etc. Its ridiculous yes, but thats the argument. Do we really NEED nudity in games? What does it add? Its funny how no one caused a fuss over The Witcher - which DOES have full frontal nudity. Fox must have missed that one. I have no problem with it either way really. If they can make a scene more sensual because of it, well go for it. biggest_loser

Sex scenes make sense?

No they don't.

Think about it. In the story of your life, how many times have you had to watch other people have sex, in order to understand your friends, do your job, have empathy for others, live life in general?

Saying that digital voyeurism is necessary to understanding the story or the characters - is just a flat out lie.

If you can't get your idea across without a sex scene = you fail as a storyteller.

Born_Lucky

Our society is weird. A violent game will get a T rating, but show a boob and it's an automatic M.Ninja_Dog

Nudity in video games does just not appeal to me at all. I'd rather they focus on interesting gameplay than boobs (which can be seen tons of other places).

Don't really like the idea cos the game would be hype for all the WRONG reasons. Rape Simulator/Rape box v 2.0, anyone?

Plus I don't see how it can affect gameplay either with or without, its a very trivial issue for me. IMHO just leave it out so the game gets reviewed purely for gameplay, rather than for its sensational controversies.

The Witcher had nudity with the cards. I say they go for it. Its purely a mature title already. God of War did nudity, they can to.

I don't care if there is sex or not, as long as the romance subplot is well formed (like Baldurs Gate undoubtedly had the best romance subplot). But really more sex is driving me crazy! SEX SEX AND EVEN MORE SEX Its everywhere! In movies, music hell in posters and calendars. Sexy is pissing me off and if games will have lots of sex like in the music and movie industry then I might as well give up gaming, why can't we have something clean?

The Witcher had nudity with the cards. I say they go for it. Its purely a mature title already. God of War did nudity, they can to.

Wasdie

Which makes me wonder, why wasn't The Witcher brought up at fox news? The Dryad and some sex cards had full visual nudity :?

The Witcher had nudity with the cards. I say they go for it. Its purely a mature title already. God of War did nudity, they can to.

Wasdie

Nudity in the North American version of The Witcher was censored.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The Witcher had nudity with the cards. I say they go for it. Its purely a mature title already. God of War did nudity, they can to.

Which makes me wonder, why wasn't The Witcher brought up at fox news? The Dryad and some sex cards had full visual nudity :?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The Witcher had nudity with the cards. I say they go for it. Its purely a mature title already. God of War did nudity, they can to.

Jinroh_basic

Nudity in the North American version of The Witcher was censored.

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

The Witcher had nudity with the cards. I say they go for it. Its purely a mature title already. God of War did nudity, they can to.

Nibroc420

Nudity in the North American version of The Witcher was censored.

the NUDE nude cards? are you sure? ;)

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

Nudity in the North American version of The Witcher was censored.

Jinroh_basic

the NUDE nude cards? are you sure? ;)

Well, if we can kill people with chainsaws, devour them to sustain ourselves or murder civilians as we see fit I certainly do not see any problems with full frontal nudity.

Well, if we can kill people with chainsaws, devour them to sustain ourselves or murder civilians as we see fit I certainly do not see any problems with full frontal nudity.

Filthybastrd

As if I already didn't feel geeky enough for playing pc games and "rpgs"...the only thing that can make it even worse is fake in game nudity. On a serious note, simulated sex between animated polygons doesn't do anything for me, and I hope they decide to keep it out of the game. "Saying that digital voyeurism is necessary to understanding the story or the characters - is just a flat out lie. If you can't get your idea across without a sex scene = you fail as a storyteller." I completely agree with this...and in the video game medium I think it's totally unnecessary and pretty corny.dnuggs40

i agree as well. occassional nudity is definitely welcome, but it shouldn't be advertised as a major selling point, an effect which Bioware seems to be subtly pushing for. it's worrying how devs and gamers alike are slowly adopting the idea that sex and gore equal mature content. i remember how dumbfounded i was when i heard some Bioware dudes say in an IGN exclusive interview that "it's going to be very mature. we have nudity and blood and all that." riiight.....

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]As if I already didn't feel geeky enough for playing pc games and "rpgs"...the only thing that can make it even worse is fake in game nudity. On a serious note, simulated sex between animated polygons doesn't do anything for me, and I hope they decide to keep it out of the game. "Saying that digital voyeurism is necessary to understanding the story or the characters - is just a flat out lie. If you can't get your idea across without a sex scene = you fail as a storyteller." I completely agree with this...and in the video game medium I think it's totally unnecessary and pretty corny.Jinroh_basic

i agree as well. occassional nudity is definitely welcome, but it shouldn't be advertised as a major selling point, an effect which Bioware seems to be subtly pushing for. it's worrying how devs and gamers alike are slowly adopting the idea that sex and gore equal mature content. i remember how dumbfounded i was when i heard some Bioware dudes say in an IGN exclusive interview that "it's going to be very mature. we have nudity and blood and all that." riiight.....

Actually it's quite the opposite. Bioware is commenting on a subject that everyone else seems to make a big deal out of.

And sex and violence is indeed mature content as far as being "not for children" goes.

I don't think it should be a problem for nudity in a game as long as it's rated M 17+. Even in America, sex scenes are becoming very common on public television.

shred

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Well, if we can kill people with chainsaws, devour them to sustain ourselves or murder civilians as we see fit I certainly do not see any problems with full frontal nudity.

Neoncron

Not sure where you're from mate, but you're sounding like the one with no common sense with that statement. Honestly - destroy people who believe certain things? Where is your common sense?