Oblivion - Why is this game rated so high?

This game has gota be a bigger grind than WOW, aleast in WOW u get to fight some enemies whereever you go. In oblivion ur lucky if u get to fight one wolf on ur 10000KM trek to some distant land. The quests r also so boring and tedious. Jumping from town to town doing little lame quests which usually involve going to some other town to meet some guy. Once in a while u will get a quest which makes u say "wow that was cool" but that quest will only last a minute of so.

Dont get me started on the random bugs in this game. And yes ive noticed just TOOO many of them and they r soooo very annoying. Yes i do have the 1.2 patch. Ill tell u some really annoying bugs. you go to a town and the guard stops u and sends u to jail for stealing an item but the thing is I NEVER STOLE ANY GOD DAMN THING, will ends in me losing exp points. Another annoying bug is when u help some person out and he is very proud and happy with you when ur doing that close up talking thing but when u go out of it u see him as being angry with u and when u walk past him he says sumthing like "Never cross my path again". LIKE WTF IS UP WITH, DO ALL THESE CHARACTERS HAVE EXCESSIVE MOOD SWINGS?

The graphics r decent but not that great. THe lands and grass all looks so damn artificial. The only thing graphically impressive is swinging ur sword around and thats all. And yes iam playing it on very high with 4x AA.

All in All i would give this game an 7.5 the MAX

I think it's so good because of the console based interface and menu systemzhivago_x

[QUOTE="zhivago_x"]I think it's so good because of the console based interface and menu systemfoxhound_fox

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A sarcastic jokezhivago_x

Oblivion is crazy fun. You just gotta treat it as a fantasy-based FPS with elements of RPG, kinda like STALKER. If you want a deep and detailed RPG, go play The Witcher, NWN 2, or something.

Oblivion is a good game. Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.

I think that Oblivion can still be a great game despite that the RPG elements the series is known for keep declining.

I will have reservations before I buy the next Elder Scrolls game though because I did buy those games for the RPG aspect...not graphics, voice work and actiony combat.

The way I see it is that Oblivion is a fantastic game if you've never played a decent RPG in your life. If you've actually played some of the classics your expectations sky-rocket and disappointment is just around the corner when devs decide to take a whole other path than fans of the series expect.

I don't think I'll be buying the next installment in the series, unless they do something different about the RPG-elements or at least bring back some of the atmosphere that made Morrowind so damn great. Endless forests are boring.

Oblivion is a good game. Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.

mrbojangles25

Now that just makes me angry. What a load of bullcrap.

What I want to know is why the Morrowind veterans hate it so much?

Is Morrowind like Deus Ex, and Oblivion is like Deus Ex 2 (Invisible War)?

What I want to know is why the Morrowind veterans hate it so much?

Is Morrowind like Deus Ex, and Oblivion is like Deus Ex 2 (Invisible War)?

mrbojangles25

Something like that. All the depth, charm and uniqueness of MW is gone imo.

Oblivion is crazy fun. You just gotta treat it as a fantasy-based FPS with elements of RPG, kinda like STALKER. If you want a deep and detailed RPG, go play The Witcher, NWN 2, or something.

Oblivion is a good game. Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.

mrbojangles25

Here is the problem.. The fps elements of the game suck, it involves a few different swings with you exploiting AI constantly... With no real rpg elements.. Character devolpment doesn't matter because in teh end you can max out every skill and you get no real bonuses that matter in the beginning... And actually you will be more powerful if you rmains are in the secondary.. Because if you elvel too fast you gimp your self...

This makes matters worse when the game is all scaled to your level for a huge time of the game.. Where Glass armor and daedric armor the best in the game will be on lowly thiefs at a certain point.. Dungeon exploring? No point because its all randomized.. Meaningful skill deicisons? None infact things such as heavy and light armor are the exact same int he end..

With out mods this game is garbage.. You get no real choices for quests, there are no real consquences, you can compelete 95% of the entire game at level 2.. If I wanted a action orientated game I would play Diablo 2.. Or better yet numerous hack and slash genres out there that are far better action... Oblivion is like the only game where I had to use my IMAGINATION in to make believe that my character was actually unique, that there were actually consquences.. etc etc.. Its horrible and stupid really..

This is coming from a person who has never played morrowind either..

What I want to know is why the Morrowind veterans hate it so much?

Is Morrowind like Deus Ex, and Oblivion is like Deus Ex 2 (Invisible War)?

mrbojangles25

I wouldn't even go that far.

Deus Ex 2 is still a first person shooter first and foremost, it's just that some elements were reduced and streamlined.

Oblivion took what was a good RPG, turned it into a action/rpg that is mostly action, then streamlined and reduced certain aspects and stuck them all in a bland setting with a cliche main story.

A bigger grind than WOW? When do you have to grind?

I don't think you actually played the game

This game has gota be a bigger grind than WOW, aleast in WOW u get to fight some enemies whereever you go. In oblivion ur lucky if u get to fight one wolf on ur 10000KM trek to some distant land. The quests r also so boring and tedious. Jumping from town to town doing little lame quests which usually involve going to some other town to meet some guy. Once in a while u will get a quest which makes u say "wow that was cool" but that quest will only last a minute of so.

Dont get me started on the random bugs in this game. And yes ive noticed just TOOO many of them and they r soooo very annoying. Yes i do have the 1.2 patch. Ill tell u some really annoying bugs. you go to a town and the guard stops u and sends u to jail for stealing an item but the thing is I NEVER STOLE ANY GOD DAMN THING, will ends in me losing exp points. Another annoying bug is when u help some person out and he is very proud and happy with you when ur doing that close up talking thing but when u go out of it u see him as being angry with u and when u walk past him he says sumthing like "Never cross my path again". LIKE WTF IS UP WITH, DO ALL THESE CHARACTERS HAVE EXCESSIVE MOOD SWINGS?

The graphics r decent but not that great. THe lands and grass all looks so damn artificial. The only thing graphically impressive is swinging ur sword around and thats all. And yes iam playing it on very high with 4x AA.

All in All i would give this game an 7.5 the MAX

jayjayman

Agree with you in everything, though I might of stretched the score into an 8.

Personally I see oblivion as a wasted potential; it uses a great engine, has a nice game world but more significantly....ITS INCREDIBLY BORING! Every quest was go to NPC X, collect quest, go to the same dungeon but scattered in a different location, kill rats and sometimes zombies in dungeon, take item, return to NPC X...repeat x 1000. Not to mention I was more entertained by paint drying than that dire storyline.

Its like they took everything good from Morrowind and flushed it down the crapper, whatever happened to the immense freedom that game had?

Though it must be said though that the game is a decent starting point for future games; it DID in a way create a living world with people getting up, hunting, sleeping, etc, and as the OT mentioned there were a few "cool" quests, but really there needs to be alot more "cool" quests and less dungeon clearing, rat-cleansing quests.

I really hate it when people say that oblivion has really good graphics, it doesn't. Everything was way to damn bright, everything has a reflective surface and it annoys the hell out of me, and frankly, the fact the people move around during the day doesn't make them seem more life like, because theirs no expression to them and it just makes them harder to find when you're doing a quest. For some reason, every human has a reddish glow to them like they all have sunburn, and the rag-doll physics make body's move unnaturally.

Must I go into the fact that all elvish races share the same voice actors? I thought dunmer were supposed to be really bad-asses, now they allsound like shimpy littlewood elfs. Where the argonians had a reptilian hiss and the Katjit a cat-like growl, theynow havethe same, mono-species voice that sound's like an annoying Siberian immigrant. Did I mention the orc women sound way too human when they talk? The voice acting it selfis horroble, completely emotionless, though I don't blam the voice actors since then had to voice over 100 NPC, but it seems like it really did'nt add to much to the game.

In morriwind if you found a water fall inside of a cave, you'd be like "OMGZ I LUV THIS PLACE" but when you enter a cave in oblivion with a waterfall it's like "ho hum, i've already seen this". In Morrowind, they could boast that they had every rock on the map HAND PLACED, they sure as hell can't make that claim when making oblivion, its all randomly generated. Morrowind was gritty and life like, and b/c of this, when you came a across a mission which contained humor, it was a re-memorable experience and the quests were also really clever, not this stupid "go to the sigal tower and steal the crystal" bullcrap you have in oblivion. Oblivion also made it waaaaay too easy to perform a daedric quest, were in Morrowind it was a near religious experience when you uncovered the shrine of Sherogorath hidden deep in the dungeons of Dagonfell.

Another thing that pissed me of was THAT THEY KILLED OFFSHEOGORATH, in the expansion pack Shivering islands & replaced him with some wimpy "god of justice & order" bull. I also hate how they fail to include ANY dwemer dungeons ANY WERE IN CYRODIL, replacing them with these"ayleids" that if you read the cannon in the first game are supposed to be primitive savages, yet the cyrodils act like they all went extinct or something. The nine divines are all a bunch of wimps, especially since they can't teleport me to the nearist town any more. The Almsivi were way cooler, even if they were just posers. AND everyone in Morrowind was killable, none of this "essential-invincibility" applied to every fricken guild master and hobo you meet on the street. Juib deserved better then to be pecked to death by cliff racers. House Dres were EXTREMELYpro-slavery AND anti-imperial, so the idea they would join with a pro-western house like Huallu to fight redoran & indoril, the only 2 honorably house in the game, and ABOLISH SLAVERY after they won, now that's just a lack of respect to gamers...

I swear, the more I think about this game, the more I want to stab who ever came up with it!

Because when the 360 first came out, it had almost no games for it, so game companies had to make a bunch of half-assed games that had good graphics so that 360 users who camped outside waiting for their "Godlike" system to come out, got these games for the excessive and expensive price of 60 dollars, and since it had good graphics they just thought "OMG DIS GAME IZ GREAT AND TOTALLY WORTH 60 BUCKS, AS OPPOSED TO THE USUALL 50" - and when new consoles come out, game sites have pretty much no choice but to sell out so that the new consoles will boost in sales, cuz remember, no games = no business for anything related to it. (Sites - stores- etc.)

After a while, the "selling out" wears off once 3 - 5 games get an 8 and above. I mean, Dead Rising is like, the most half-assed and clunky game ever yet it was like, the first game to come out for 360, and since it had a lot of blood and gore and decent graphics, people loved it. It got a friggin' 8.5 here, when it really deserves a 7, despite how fun it is. Same goes for Oblivion, it really deserves a 7, yet it got above an 8 here.

At least for Oblivion you can MOD it so the game doesn't suck as much.

Oblivion is the best game to grace the game industry with all it's amazing technologies and innovative gameplay.

-SNiff

This game has gota be a bigger grind than WOW, aleast in WOW u get to fight some enemies whereever you go. In oblivion ur lucky if u get to fight one wolf on ur 10000KM trek to some distant land. The quests r also so boring and tedious. Jumping from town to town doing little lame quests which usually involve going to some other town to meet some guy. Once in a while u will get a quest which makes u say "wow that was cool" but that quest will only last a minute of so.

Dont get me started on the random bugs in this game. And yes ive noticed just TOOO many of them and they r soooo very annoying. Yes i do have the 1.2 patch. Ill tell u some really annoying bugs. you go to a town and the guard stops u and sends u to jail for stealing an item but the thing is I NEVER STOLE ANY GOD DAMN THING, will ends in me losing exp points. Another annoying bug is when u help some person out and he is very proud and happy with you when ur doing that close up talking thing but when u go out of it u see him as being angry with u and when u walk past him he says sumthing like "Never cross my path again". LIKE WTF IS UP WITH, DO ALL THESE CHARACTERS HAVE EXCESSIVE MOOD SWINGS?

The graphics r decent but not that great. THe lands and grass all looks so damn artificial. The only thing graphically impressive is swinging ur sword around and thats all. And yes iam playing it on very high with 4x AA.

All in All i would give this game an 7.5 the MAX

jayjayman

I love the game because I'm not forced to do the main quest chain, I do the Assassin's guild all the way through, then go around killing masses apon masses of gaurds, and civilians :D

I fail to see how Morrowind is more in depth than Oblivion...... i mean Oblivion has every feature Morrowind had but more streamlined and more fun to use and it even added features like level scaling and instant traveling round the map because noone wants to grind and noone wants to waste 15 mins running round a map to just have to run back again. Sure Morrowind has a more diverse world but tbh it isn't as beautiful as Oblivion ebcause the graphics suck and theres fog everywhere, anyways it's not veryr ealistic havign such a diverse world in such a small peice of land and what i love about OBlivion is it feels more realistic. Also Oblivion is more immersive and makes you really feel like your there and the voice overs are just soooo good in Oblivion too. Other things like Oblivion having soooo much ebtter combat than morrowind had it just makes Oblivion a far better game.


I just reckon all these haters just want to jump on the bandwagon cus people vote for the underdog and never actually plyed it or liked it OR they feel very nostalgic to the game. If you go back and try to play it now you see it's no more in depth than Oblivion it's just more annoying to play with all it's faults which makes it harder to play which isn't fun or a good thing to do. I'm just sick of all the Oblivion haters... i played morrowind back then i didn't even think it was any good but Oblivion sucked me in, i know everyone has different opinions and if you like morrowind then fine but you can't say OBlivion is a bad game.

I fail to see how Morrowind is more in depth than Oblivion...... i mean Oblivion has every feature Morrowind had but more streamlined and more fun to use and it even added features like level scaling and instant traveling round the map because noone wants to grind and noone wants to waste 15 mins running round a map to just have to run back again. Sure Morrowind has a more diverse world but tbh it isn't as beautiful as Oblivion ebcause the graphics suck and theres fog everywhere, anyways it's not veryr ealistic havign such a diverse world in such a small peice of land and what i love about OBlivion is it feels more realistic. Also Oblivion is more immersive and makes you really feel like your there and the voice overs are just soooo good in Oblivion too. Other things like Oblivion having soooo much ebtter combat than morrowind had it just makes Oblivion a far better game.


I just reckon all these haters just want to jump on the bandwagon cus people vote for the underdog and never actually plyed it or liked it OR they feel very nostalgic to the game. If you go back and try to play it now you see it's no more in depth than Oblivion it's just more annoying to play with all it's faults which makes it harder to play which isn't fun or a good thing to do. I'm just sick of all the Oblivion haters... i played morrowind back then i didn't even think it was any good but Oblivion sucked me in, i know everyone has different opinions and if you like morrowind then fine but you can't say OBlivion is a bad game.

Grantelicious

Wait... did you just say Oblivion was realistic?

I fail to see how Morrowind is more in depth than Oblivion...... i mean Oblivion has every feature Morrowind had but more streamlined and more fun to use and it even added features like level scaling and instant traveling round the map because noone wants to grind and noone wants to waste 15 mins running round a map to just have to run back again. Sure Morrowind has a more diverse world but tbh it isn't as beautiful as Oblivion ebcause the graphics suck and theres fog everywhere, anyways it's not veryr ealistic havign such a diverse world in such a small peice of land and what i love about OBlivion is it feels more realistic. Also Oblivion is more immersive and makes you really feel like your there and the voice overs are just soooo good in Oblivion too. Other things like Oblivion having soooo much ebtter combat than morrowind had it just makes Oblivion a far better game.


I just reckon all these haters just want to jump on the bandwagon cus people vote for the underdog and never actually plyed it or liked it OR they feel very nostalgic to the game. If you go back and try to play it now you see it's no more in depth than Oblivion it's just more annoying to play with all it's faults which makes it harder to play which isn't fun or a good thing to do. I'm just sick of all the Oblivion haters... i played morrowind back then i didn't even think it was any good but Oblivion sucked me in, i know everyone has different opinions and if you like morrowind then fine but you can't say OBlivion is a bad game.

Grantelicious

Morrowind DOES have more depth than oblivion, play morrowind again and you'll see. In Oblivion they stripped away most of the freedom morrowind had - for example in Morrowind you could steal ANYTHING you wanted, since everything was in display in the shops (not some fake replicas that mean jack all in oblivion), and the fact is when you killed people you can take their wares too! (not just their rags and a few credits as limited to in oblivion).

the witcher blows it out of the watercrazyfist36

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

I fail to see how Morrowind is more in depth than Oblivion...... i mean Oblivion has every feature Morrowind had but more streamlined and more fun to use and it even added features like level scaling and instant traveling round the map because noone wants to grind and noone wants to waste 15 mins running round a map to just have to run back again. Sure Morrowind has a more diverse world but tbh it isn't as beautiful as Oblivion ebcause the graphics suck and theres fog everywhere, anyways it's not veryr ealistic havign such a diverse world in such a small peice of land and what i love about OBlivion is it feels more realistic. Also Oblivion is more immersive and makes you really feel like your there and the voice overs are just soooo good in Oblivion too. Other things like Oblivion having soooo much ebtter combat than morrowind had it just makes Oblivion a far better game.


I just reckon all these haters just want to jump on the bandwagon cus people vote for the underdog and never actually plyed it or liked it OR they feel very nostalgic to the game. If you go back and try to play it now you see it's no more in depth than Oblivion it's just more annoying to play with all it's faults which makes it harder to play which isn't fun or a good thing to do. I'm just sick of all the Oblivion haters... i played morrowind back then i didn't even think it was any good but Oblivion sucked me in, i know everyone has different opinions and if you like morrowind then fine but you can't say OBlivion is a bad game.

hama666

Morrowind DOES have more depth than oblivion, play morrowind again and you'll see. In Oblivion they stripped away most of the freedom morrowind had - for example in Morrowind you could steal ANYTHING you wanted, since everything was in display in the shops (not some fake replicas that mean jack all in oblivion), and the fact is when you killed people you can take their wares too! (not just their rags and a few credits as limited to in oblivion).

And level scaling is taking depth away. Level scaling almost means no levels. If two games are identical except the other one has leveling system, which one has more depth?

I have mixed opinions.

Honestly I think its a bit souless.

I much rathered Stalker - even if its more shooter - and the Witcher seems much better...

Actually Oblivion is the reason im worried about Bethseda working on Fallout 3

That and its a multiplat title, which has jepordised so many franchises - in order to cater to a 'different' audience.

- Eldar Scrolls, Deus Ex, Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty ect.

[QUOTE="hama666"][QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

I fail to see how Morrowind is more in depth than Oblivion...... i mean Oblivion has every feature Morrowind had but more streamlined and more fun to use and it even added features like level scaling and instant traveling round the map because noone wants to grind and noone wants to waste 15 mins running round a map to just have to run back again. Sure Morrowind has a more diverse world but tbh it isn't as beautiful as Oblivion ebcause the graphics suck and theres fog everywhere, anyways it's not veryr ealistic havign such a diverse world in such a small peice of land and what i love about OBlivion is it feels more realistic. Also Oblivion is more immersive and makes you really feel like your there and the voice overs are just soooo good in Oblivion too. Other things like Oblivion having soooo much ebtter combat than morrowind had it just makes Oblivion a far better game.


I just reckon all these haters just want to jump on the bandwagon cus people vote for the underdog and never actually plyed it or liked it OR they feel very nostalgic to the game. If you go back and try to play it now you see it's no more in depth than Oblivion it's just more annoying to play with all it's faults which makes it harder to play which isn't fun or a good thing to do. I'm just sick of all the Oblivion haters... i played morrowind back then i didn't even think it was any good but Oblivion sucked me in, i know everyone has different opinions and if you like morrowind then fine but you can't say OBlivion is a bad game.

RK-Mara

Morrowind DOES have more depth than oblivion, play morrowind again and you'll see. In Oblivion they stripped away most of the freedom morrowind had - for example in Morrowind you could steal ANYTHING you wanted, since everything was in display in the shops (not some fake replicas that mean jack all in oblivion), and the fact is when you killed people you can take their wares too! (not just their rags and a few credits as limited to in oblivion).

And level scaling is taking depth away. Level scaling almost means no levels. If two games are identical except the other one has leveling system, which one has more depth?

I prefered level scaling because i hate to grind XP and levels, it's a pointless waste of time, if you don't like it soo much just download the mod which removes level scaling... simple.

I have mixed opinions.

Honestly I think its a bit souless.

I much rathered Stalker - even if its more shooter - and the Witcher seems much better...

Actually Oblivion is the reason im worried about Bethseda working on Fallout 3

That and its a multiplat title, which has jepordised so many franchises - in order to cater to a 'different' audience.

- Eldar Scrolls, Deus Ex, Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty ect.

skrat_01

Stalker is just sooo buggy as hell and broken it's not even fun and the only good thing about is is the setting which is ruined by all the zoning. The Witcher aswel has a ton of problems which just ruins the experience and just isn't on the same level as oblivion in terms of polish and quality. I have no fears of Fallout 3 because if it's anywehere near as good as Oblivion then it's going to be totally amazing. I've tried fallout 2 anddidn't like it myself, probably because it's a old game and gameplay and tasts evolve with time.... i'm more worried about if i need to know any story from the previous games cause we all know the oblivion team will do a great job.

I prefered level scaling because i hate to grind XP and levels, it's a pointless waste of time, if you don't like it soo much just download the mod which removes level scaling... simple.

Grantelicious

You don't need to grind for XP and levels in good RPG's. It just means that you can't go everywhere with a level one character. It would be ridicilous if you could. When you make a new character in Oblivion without level scaling, you have to start with side quests and not immediately charge to Oblivion realm. You seem to stare too much at experience and levels. Rather just think ''ok, that daedra is too high level, I'll come back later''. The way up is the best part about RPG's. You need to enjoy it and not just think, when you are going to hit level 20. In Oblivion without mods you can't enjoy it. A rat at level 1 and level 20 is the same.

I made a new hunter in Oblivion with FCOM. I've played for five hours and I'm level 3. When you start a new game with FCOM, you don't have any map markers. Not even the cities. So for those five hours I've only explored the world and done some side quests that I've found. I've played through the game twice before, but I've never really explored the world before, because of the fast travel.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I have mixed opinions.

Honestly I think its a bit souless.

I much rathered Stalker - even if its more shooter - and the Witcher seems much better...

Actually Oblivion is the reason im worried about Bethseda working on Fallout 3

That and its a multiplat title, which has jepordised so many franchises - in order to cater to a 'different' audience.

- Eldar Scrolls, Deus Ex, Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty ect.

Grantelicious

Stalker is just sooo buggy as hell and broken it's not even fun and the only good thing about is is the setting which is ruined by all the zoning.

I think that I asked this before, but you never replied. When was the last time you actually played STALKER?

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

I prefered level scaling because i hate to grind XP and levels, it's a pointless waste of time, if you don't like it soo much just download the mod which removes level scaling... simple.

RK-Mara

You don't need to grind for XP and levels in good RPG's. It just means that you can't go everywhere with a level one character. It would be ridicilous if you could. When you make a new character in Oblivion without level scaling, you have to start with side quests and not immediately charge to Oblivion realm. You seem to stare too much at experience and levels. Rather just think ''ok, that daedra is too high level, I'll come back later''. The way up is the best part about RPG's. You need to enjoy it and not just think, when you are going to hit level 20. In Oblivion without mods you can't enjoy it. A rat at level 1 and level 20 is the same.

I made a new hunter in Oblivion with FCOM. I've played for five hours and I'm level 3. When you start a new game with FCOM, you don't have any map markers. Not even the cities. So for those five hours I've only explored the world and done some side quests that I've found. I've played through the game twice before, but I've never really explored the world before, because of the fast travel.

But i liked being able to go anywhere i wanted from the start and i liked the level scaling... some people don't but oh well i never saw it as a problem.

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I have mixed opinions.

Honestly I think its a bit souless.

I much rathered Stalker - even if its more shooter - and the Witcher seems much better...

Actually Oblivion is the reason im worried about Bethseda working on Fallout 3

That and its a multiplat title, which has jepordised so many franchises - in order to cater to a 'different' audience.

- Eldar Scrolls, Deus Ex, Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty ect.

RK-Mara

Stalker is just sooo buggy as hell and broken it's not even fun and the only good thing about is is the setting which is ruined by all the zoning.

I think that I asked this before, but you never replied. When was the last time you actually played STALKER?

latest patch actually and the only thing thats changed is it performs abit better now bu the mission system is still broken and so is the pointless economy and the map is annoying to use. I also think the hit detection is very off and the player models are just horrible with bad death animations and AI.

latest patch actually and the only thing thats changed is it performs abit better now bu the mission system is still broken and so is the pointless economy and the map is annoying to use. I also think the hit detection is very off and the player models are just horrible with bad death animations and AI.

Grantelicious

How is the mission system broken?

You talk about pointless economy, bad AI and death animations, but you love Oblivion?

Death animations in Oblivion mean rag dolls flying 10 feet. AI in Oblivion. And what about the ecomomy? No one even runs out of money.

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

latest patch actually and the only thing thats changed is it performs abit better now bu the mission system is still broken and so is the pointless economy and the map is annoying to use. I also think the hit detection is very off and the player models are just horrible with bad death animations and AI.

RK-Mara

How is the mission system broken?

You talk about pointless economy, bad AI and death animations, but you love Oblivion?

Death animations in Oblivion mean rag dolls flying 10 feet. AI in Oblivion. And what about the ecomomy? No one even runs out of money.

Ahaahhaaaaha. Thank you RK-Mara. That comic made my day. God, so funny... :D

Grantelicious, while I ... kinda... respect your opinions, I have to say you stand for everything that is wrong in modern gamedevelopment. Devs are streamlining, polishing and making everything so easy to use it simply becomes boring as hell and the challenge just disappears from the gameplay. Where you see annoyance, people with a little more patience than you find immersiveness, "realism" and challenge. Which is, you know, kind of important in any game. Again, sorry if I somehow sound "flamy", but I just had to get it off my chest.

[QUOTE="RK-Mara"][QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

latest patch actually and the only thing thats changed is it performs abit better now bu the mission system is still broken and so is the pointless economy and the map is annoying to use. I also think the hit detection is very off and the player models are just horrible with bad death animations and AI.

artur79

How is the mission system broken?

You talk about pointless economy, bad AI and death animations, but you love Oblivion?

Death animations in Oblivion mean rag dolls flying 10 feet. AI in Oblivion. And what about the ecomomy? No one even runs out of money.

Ahaahhaaaaha. Thank you RK-Mara. That comic made my day. God, so funny... :D

Grantelicious, while I ... kinda... respect your opinions, I have to say you stand for everything that is wrong in modern gamedevelopment. Devs are streamlining, polishing and making everything so easy to use it simply becomes boring as hell and the challenge just disappears from the gameplay. Where you see annoyance, people with a little more patience than you find immersiveness, "realism" and challenge. Which is, you know, kind of important in any game. Again, sorry if I somehow sound "flamy", but I just had to get it off my chest.

I don't like games being dumbed down and i don't like games going to the 360 and badly ported but i just don't see any part of Oblivion that was dumbed down..... so what about the level scaling? I mean i could give two **** about levels anyways and i always thought levels are a bad design myself.

I just think everyones being hard on Oblivion because they want to jump on the bandwagon but tbh it only has minor changes from Morrowind in terms of gameplay and the rest is just improved.

I'm not going to win you over or anything and i don't intend to change your mind but i'm just sick of what i believe is the best RPG ever created being slagged off. I'm also sick of my opinion being looked down on.