Oblivion - Why is this game rated so high?

The "Hater Bandwagon" arguement, no matter what it is applied to, is lame and just a crutch for people that can't come up with an alternative. Try addressing the issues being brought up by the critics instead of dodging them.Alaris83

Their issues are the very same thing of what i liked about the game over other RPG's and obviously everyone else liked the game seeing all the reviews from players and critics, it jsut seem a very small minotiry of elitists that have a problem and putting people off the game,,,, even when these people who are making a thread asking are obviously not veetrans oor nostalgic over the series wont like morrowind but yeh ok.......

I don't like games being dumbed down and i don't like games going to the 360 and badly ported but i just don't see any part of Oblivion that was dumbed down..... so what about the level scaling? I mean i could give two **** about levels anyways and i always thought levels are a bad design myself.

I just think everyones being hard on Oblivion because they want to jump on the bandwagon but tbh it only has minor changes from Morrowind in terms of gameplay and the rest is just improved.

I'm not going to win you over or anything and i don't intend to change your mind but i'm just sick of what i believe is the best RPG ever created being slagged off. I'm also sick of my opinion being looked down on.

Grantelicious

best rpg ever created? someone whose opinion i respect convinced me to give oblivion another try (i've played like 10 hours before that, and i was bored), so i wasn't going to say anything until i give it another go, but best rpg ever created? i was just wondering if you played bg2, fallout 1 & 2, planescape: torment, betrayal at krondor, ultima 7? if you haven't, give them a try. i'd be interested to know if your opinion changes after playing those games.

and i think it's bad manners to rag on others just because their opinion differs, as you mentioned. so no such intention here. i was just wondering how you feel oblivion fares against those that many consider the best rpgs of all time.

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

I don't like games being dumbed down and i don't like games going to the 360 and badly ported but i just don't see any part of Oblivion that was dumbed down..... so what about the level scaling? I mean i could give two **** about levels anyways and i always thought levels are a bad design myself.

I just think everyones being hard on Oblivion because they want to jump on the bandwagon but tbh it only has minor changes from Morrowind in terms of gameplay and the rest is just improved.

I'm not going to win you over or anything and i don't intend to change your mind but i'm just sick of what i believe is the best RPG ever created being slagged off. I'm also sick of my opinion being looked down on.

fireandcloud

best rpg ever created? someone whose opinion i respect convinced me to give oblivion another try (i've played like 10 hours before that, and i was bored), so i wasn't going to say anything until i give it another go, but best rpg ever created? i was just wondering if you played bg2, fallout 1 & 2, planescape: torment, betrayal at krondor, ultima 7? if you haven't, give them a try. i'd be interested to know if your opinion changes after playing those games.

and i think it's bad manners to rag on others just because their opinion differs, as you mentioned. so no such intention here. i was just wondering how you feel oblivion fares against those that many consider the best rpgs of all time.

Yes i've played lots of RPG's and all the old ****cs apart from placescape but it's down to opinion and i had more fun on oblivion than any of them.

[QUOTE="fireandcloud"][QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

I don't like games being dumbed down and i don't like games going to the 360 and badly ported but i just don't see any part of Oblivion that was dumbed down..... so what about the level scaling? I mean i could give two **** about levels anyways and i always thought levels are a bad design myself.

I just think everyones being hard on Oblivion because they want to jump on the bandwagon but tbh it only has minor changes from Morrowind in terms of gameplay and the rest is just improved.

I'm not going to win you over or anything and i don't intend to change your mind but i'm just sick of what i believe is the best RPG ever created being slagged off. I'm also sick of my opinion being looked down on.

Grantelicious

best rpg ever created? someone whose opinion i respect convinced me to give oblivion another try (i've played like 10 hours before that, and i was bored), so i wasn't going to say anything until i give it another go, but best rpg ever created? i was just wondering if you played bg2, fallout 1 & 2, planescape: torment, betrayal at krondor, ultima 7? if you haven't, give them a try. i'd be interested to know if your opinion changes after playing those games.

and i think it's bad manners to rag on others just because their opinion differs, as you mentioned. so no such intention here. i was just wondering how you feel oblivion fares against those that many consider the best rpgs of all time.

Yes i've played lots of RPG's and all the old ****cs apart from placescape but it's down to opinion and i had more fun on oblivion than any of them.

I fail to see how Morrowind is more in depth than Oblivion...... i mean Oblivion has every feature Morrowind had but more streamlined and more fun to use and it even added features like level scaling and instant traveling round the map because noone wants to grind and noone wants to waste 15 mins running round a map to just have to run back again. Sure Morrowind has a more diverse world but tbh it isn't as beautiful as Oblivion ebcause the graphics suck and theres fog everywhere, anyways it's not veryr ealistic havign such a diverse world in such a small peice of land and what i love about OBlivion is it feels more realistic. Also Oblivion is more immersive and makes you really feel like your there and the voice overs are just soooo good in Oblivion too. Other things like Oblivion having soooo much ebtter combat than morrowind had it just makes Oblivion a far better game.


I just reckon all these haters just want to jump on the bandwagon cus people vote for the underdog and never actually plyed it or liked it OR they feel very nostalgic to the game. If you go back and try to play it now you see it's no more in depth than Oblivion it's just more annoying to play with all it's faults which makes it harder to play which isn't fun or a good thing to do. I'm just sick of all the Oblivion haters... i played morrowind back then i didn't even think it was any good but Oblivion sucked me in, i know everyone has different opinions and if you like morrowind then fine but you can't say OBlivion is a bad game.

Grantelicious

Oblivion was totally stripped down and moderated compared to Morrowind. Oblivion didnt have any houses, few guilds, all the races we all the same with no pros and cons on selecting them. It was on a much smaller map, the landscape was all the same everywhere you go except when you go to the mountains.

When you selected Aragonians or Khajit you werent able to wear boots, but Aragonians were much better swimmers then any of the other races. Aragonians and Khajit were beast races on Morrowind and they were different from all the other races. Oblivion made it so they look like every other race with no conquence.

Oblivion had mounts you could buy which made travel faster, I wish Morrowind had that too. If you dont have 15 minutes to run out of the middle of no where to get to a cave, that is why there is a save system. Save the game, then come back some other time and continue the long hike.

Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.mrbojangles25

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.foxhound_fox

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

jasperrussell

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.jasperrussell

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

Sure OBlivion has bugs but it's nowhere near the buggiest and it's one of the most polished games i've ever played for the PC.

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.Grantelicious

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

Sure OBlivion has bugs but it's nowhere near the buggiest and it's one of the most polished games i've ever played for the PC.

well polished kind of means that it's not buggy. I didn't find the bugs effected my overall experience, but if I was foxhound and followed the guide to the letter and still had vampirism i'd be majorly upset!

Yes i've played lots of RPG's and all the old ****cs apart from placescape but it's down to opinion and i had more fun on oblivion than any of them.

Grantelicious

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it sounds to me that you may not in fact actually like RPG's. There's nothing wrong with that but, honestly, Oblivion doesn't even come close to matching the RPG aspects of any of the older RPG's BGs, Fallouts, Arcanum, Ultimas, etc.). Heck, I wouldn't even call Oblivion a RPG at all.

Like somebody said earlier, it's a FPS with minimal (very minimal) RPG mechanics. I can't think of one choice I made while playing Oblivion that had any consequence on anything else I did in the game. Oh, and the story might possibly be one of the silliest and most cliched I've ever seen in a so-called RPG.

Taken as an action/FPS game Oblivion is more or less adequate but, as a RPG, it is severely lacking in almost every conceivable way.

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

Yes i've played lots of RPG's and all the old ****cs apart from placescape but it's down to opinion and i had more fun on oblivion than any of them.

-wildflower-

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it sounds to me that you may not in fact actually like RPG's. There's nothing wrong with that but, honestly, Oblivion doesn't even come close to matching the RPG aspects of any of the older RPG's BGs, Fallouts, Arcanum, Ultimas, etc.). Heck, I wouldn't even call Oblivion a RPG at all.

Like somebody said earlier, it's a FPS with minimal (very minimal) RPG mechanics. I can't think of one choice I made while playing Oblivion that had any consequence on anything else I did in the game. Oh, and the story might possibly be one of the silliest and most cliched I've ever seen in a so-called RPG.

Taken as an action/FPS game Oblivion is more or less adequate but, as a RPG, it is severely lacking in almost every conceivable way.

I find this trend interesting. It would seem that most of the hard core veterans from morrowind ( and other older rpgs for that matter) absolutely hate oblivion.

Why? Not because oblivion was dumbed down. I don't care what arcane theory you use to argue yourpoint, but it wasn't dumbed to the point of stupidity. It is meerly the fact that, as we all know, morrowind was hideously overcomplicated interface and quest wise,and oblivion changed this. Just because you don't like scrolling through inventory in a terribly inefficient way doesnt' mean the new product is inferior and more 'stupid' or'dumb'.

What changed was you-- you the player. You yearn for what you know, the older, far more complicated and less streamlined games of the past. I don't know why this is true, although i have experienced it, it just seems to be a phenomenon of nogstalgia: we love morrowind because it represented an era and a genre that we think was better-- even though it isn't neccessarily.

Don't get me wrong, i love the older games, and actually find morrowind about as good as oblivion, but i recongnize that it was us (you) that changed along with the games. The times kept mving and you changed in the sense that you stayed within your box of understanding. This is unfortunate.

I find this trend interesting. It would seem that most of the hard core veterans from morrowind ( and other older rpgs for that matter) absolutely hate oblivion.

Why? Not because oblivion was dumbed down. I don't care what arcane theory you use to argue yourpoint, but it wasn't dumbed to the point of stupidity. It is meerly the fact that, as we all know, morrowind was hideously overcomplicated interface and quest wise,and oblivion changed this. Just because you don't like scrolling through inventory in a terribly inefficient way doesnt' mean the new product is inferior and more 'stupid' or'dumb'.

What changed was you-- you the player. You yearn for what you know, the older, far more complicated and less streamlined games of the past. I don't know why this is true, although i have experienced it, it just seems to be a phenomenon of nogstalgia: we love morrowind because it represented an era and a genre that we think was better-- even though it isn't neccessarily.

Don't get me wrong, i love the older games, and actually find morrowind about as good as oblivion, but i recongnize that it was us (you) that changed along with the games. The times kept mving and you changed in the sense that you stayed within your box of understanding. This is unfortunate.

Calabi_Yau

The quest arrow showing you where to go, the streamlining of multiple skills, replacing a mechanic of rewarding exploration with randomly generated content, cutting down of the amount of NPC dialogue, etc. These things, you're telling me, are in fact not a dumbing down of the series, but instead an improvement?

Woo damn, and here I've just had poor taste in video games this whole time. Glad you were here to show me the errors of m ways.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"][QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

Yes i've played lots of RPG's and all the old ****cs apart from placescape but it's down to opinion and i had more fun on oblivion than any of them.

Calabi_Yau

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it sounds to me that you may not in fact actually like RPG's. There's nothing wrong with that but, honestly, Oblivion doesn't even come close to matching the RPG aspects of any of the older RPG's BGs, Fallouts, Arcanum, Ultimas, etc.). Heck, I wouldn't even call Oblivion a RPG at all.

Like somebody said earlier, it's a FPS with minimal (very minimal) RPG mechanics. I can't think of one choice I made while playing Oblivion that had any consequence on anything else I did in the game. Oh, and the story might possibly be one of the silliest and most cliched I've ever seen in a so-called RPG.

Taken as an action/FPS game Oblivion is more or less adequate but, as a RPG, it is severely lacking in almost every conceivable way.

I find this trend interesting. It would seem that most of the hard core veterans from morrowind ( and other older rpgs for that matter) absolutely hate oblivion.

Why? Not because oblivion was dumbed down. I don't care what arcane theory you use to argue yourpoint, but it wasn't dumbed to the point of stupidity. It is meerly the fact that, as we all know, morrowind was hideously overcomplicated interface and quest wise,and oblivion changed this. Just because you don't like scrolling through inventory in a terribly inefficient way doesnt' mean the new product is inferior and more 'stupid' or'dumb'.

What changed was you-- you the player. You yearn for what you know, the older, far more complicated and less streamlined games of the past. I don't know why this is true, although i have experienced it, it just seems to be a phenomenon of nogstalgia: we love morrowind because it represented an era and a genre that we think was better-- even though it isn't neccessarily.

Don't get me wrong, i love the older games, and actually find morrowind about as good as oblivion, but i recongnize that it was us (you) that changed along with the games. The times kept mving and you changed in the sense that you stayed within your box of understanding. This is unfortunate.

If you bother to read through the thread again, you'll see that the interface is not the one thing that makes Ob inferior to MW in a lot of people's eyes. No reason to explore, bland environments, scaling of loot and enemies, not enough loot, no influence over game world and so on... If the interface was the problem and nothing more, people would not be complaining.

And about the interface, what if I say that I actually found MW's inventory to be more efficient and easy to use?

Nostalgia is the wrong word imo, since a lot of people actually find MW to be the better and deeper game out of those two and still play it to this day. Not overcomplicated, not inefficient, just deeper. I could make a point by point comparison to make you understand, but that would be a waste of your and my time.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion...jasperrussell

Or maybe just people who understand that Oblivion is looks but no brains

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I have mixed opinions.

Honestly I think its a bit souless.

I much rathered Stalker - even if its more shooter - and the Witcher seems much better...

Actually Oblivion is the reason im worried about Bethseda working on Fallout 3

That and its a multiplat title, which has jepordised so many franchises - in order to cater to a 'different' audience.

- Eldar Scrolls, Deus Ex, Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty ect.

Grantelicious

Stalker is just sooo buggy as hell and broken it's not even fun and the only good thing about is is the setting which is ruined by all the zoning. The Witcher aswel has a ton of problems which just ruins the experience and just isn't on the same level as oblivion in terms of polish and quality. I have no fears of Fallout 3 because if it's anywehere near as good as Oblivion then it's going to be totally amazing. I've tried fallout 2 anddidn't like it myself, probably because it's a old game and gameplay and tasts evolve with time.... i'm more worried about if i need to know any story from the previous games cause we all know the oblivion team will do a great job.

As for FO3, well I dont have high expectations - though I doubt you will need to know story of the former Fallout games - as FO3 will be primarily driven to a wider audience who would have never touched a fallout game, let alone heard of it

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"] It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion...kpsting

Or maybe just people who understand that Oblivion is looks but no brains

Well.....I just finished Oblivion....around 200hrs. Pretty fun.

....but I also just ordered Morrowind GOTY....

Hope I get another 200+ hours from that too.:)

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.jasperrussell

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

morrowind rocked obilivion.

Though it must be said though that the game is a decent starting point for future games; it DID in a way create a living world with people getting up, hunting, sleeping, etc, hama666

Gothic did that in 2001.

[QUOTE="Calabi_Yau"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"][QUOTE="Grantelicious"]

Yes i've played lots of RPG's and all the old ****cs apart from placescape but it's down to opinion and i had more fun on oblivion than any of them.

artur79

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it sounds to me that you may not in fact actually like RPG's. There's nothing wrong with that but, honestly, Oblivion doesn't even come close to matching the RPG aspects of any of the older RPG's BGs, Fallouts, Arcanum, Ultimas, etc.). Heck, I wouldn't even call Oblivion a RPG at all.

Like somebody said earlier, it's a FPS with minimal (very minimal) RPG mechanics. I can't think of one choice I made while playing Oblivion that had any consequence on anything else I did in the game. Oh, and the story might possibly be one of the silliest and most cliched I've ever seen in a so-called RPG.

Taken as an action/FPS game Oblivion is more or less adequate but, as a RPG, it is severely lacking in almost every conceivable way.

I find this trend interesting. It would seem that most of the hard core veterans from morrowind ( and other older rpgs for that matter) absolutely hate oblivion.

Why? Not because oblivion was dumbed down. I don't care what arcane theory you use to argue yourpoint, but it wasn't dumbed to the point of stupidity. It is meerly the fact that, as we all know, morrowind was hideously overcomplicated interface and quest wise,and oblivion changed this. Just because you don't like scrolling through inventory in a terribly inefficient way doesnt' mean the new product is inferior and more 'stupid' or'dumb'.

What changed was you-- you the player. You yearn for what you know, the older, far more complicated and less streamlined games of the past. I don't know why this is true, although i have experienced it, it just seems to be a phenomenon of nogstalgia: we love morrowind because it represented an era and a genre that we think was better-- even though it isn't neccessarily.

Don't get me wrong, i love the older games, and actually find morrowind about as good as oblivion, but i recongnize that it was us (you) that changed along with the games. The times kept mving and you changed in the sense that you stayed within your box of understanding. This is unfortunate.

If you bother to read through the thread again, you'll see that the interface is not the one thing that makes Ob inferior to MW in a lot of people's eyes. No reason to explore, bland environments, scaling of loot and enemies, not enough loot, no influence over game world and so on... If the interface was the problem and nothing more, people would not be complaining.

And about the interface, what if I say that I actually found MW's inventory to be more efficient and easy to use?

Nostalgia is the wrong word imo, since a lot of people actually find MW to be the better and deeper game out of those two and still play it to this day. Not overcomplicated, not inefficient, just deeper. I could make a point by point comparison to make you understand, but that would be a waste of your and my time.

Youu see not having a waypoint showing me where to go or having a annoying mess of a interface that's in some previous RPG's just really stopped my fun because i don't like looking at a ugly interface trying to work out everything on it, in Oblivion i looked at it and everything made sense and it was a nice interface that worked. I don't want to waste my time trying to find where the quest ends and getting stressed out ebcause i've spent 5 hours wondering around to then have to go to a guide and then find out he was actually like 5m away from me in the first place..... i just want a waypoint to show me whereabouts the location is if i choose to use it.

I don't want to have to spend hours gaining some levels just to be able to do something, thats what i loved about Oblivion because everything scaled so i could go and have fun right from the start. I could level if i wanted to and get the harder monsters but i think i completed the main story at level 3 and then i spent 100 or so hours doing all the side quests and never bothered levels because i was just having fun. I don't care about having amazing kool loot in a offline game where it means nothing, i just play to have fun. Oblivion has kool loot but it doesn't force you to get any of it to complete the game and have fun and be able to kill tough enemies.


Oblivion gave you choices and you could play the old fashion so called hardcore way which i just find annoying to play or you could play a more user friendly way which i chose and had fun. Oblivion wasn't dumbed down and it does everything other RPG's do and improves on Morrowind and what i loved about it was the immersion. You can turn waypoints off and you don't have to look at the map and you don't have to warp around the map if you don't want to and you can level to get the harder enemies if you want or even download a mod that gets rid of the level scaling.



Oblivion just gave the user more choice.

[QUOTE="kpsting"]

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"] It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion...FamiBox

Or maybe just people who understand that Oblivion is looks but no brains

Well.....I just finished Oblivion....around 200hrs. Pretty fun.

....but I also just ordered Morrowind GOTY....

Hope I get another 200+ hours from that too.:)

ok, I'm pro oblivion because I really enjoyed many many hours on it (I sound like a broken record). I didn't play morrowind. I don't go around proclaiming to be the god of RPGs (people that hold being a true RPGers need to get a life and probably a haircut) but I'm not a dipsh*t that doesn't understand RPGs. I played RPGs before they were on computers. MY QUESTION IS THIS: Is there someone out there that Played Oblivion First and then has played Morrowind. I want to hear from YOU! failing that I'll wait for FamiBox. I would play Morrowwind myself but I reckon I'll rather pay for The Witcher and I don't have time for both, but I am interested in the reverse perspective instead of the deluge of "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff" people. I ask this question because I know I've revisited games I absolutely loved in the past and of thought, wow I thought this was good!?

[QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="kpsting"]

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"] It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion...jasperrussell

Or maybe just people who understand that Oblivion is looks but no brains

Well.....I just finished Oblivion....around 200hrs. Pretty fun.

....but I also just ordered Morrowind GOTY....

Hope I get another 200+ hours from that too.:)

ok, I'm pro oblivion because I really enjoyed many many hours on it (I sound like a broken record). I didn't play morrowind. I don't go around proclaiming to be the god of RPGs (people that hold being a true RPGers need to get a life and probably a haircut) but I'm not a dipsh*t that doesn't understand RPGs. I played RPGs before they were on computers. MY QUESTION IS THIS: Is there someone out there that Played Oblivion First and then has played Morrowind. I want to hear from YOU! failing that I'll wait for FamiBox. I would play Morrowwind myself but I reckon I'll rather pay for The Witcher and I don't have time for both, but I am interested in the reverse perspective instead of the deluge of "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff" people. I ask this question because I know I've revisited games I absolutely loved in the past and of thought, wow I thought this was good!?

Normally when you go back to the old games you see the faults and how it isn't as good as you remember and just nostalgia talking. There are rare times though when a game still plays amazing today like HL or CS.

"why is this game rated so high?"

because it's good.

Ok. I have only played Oblivion for like 2 hours, but I will give it this: Best Face Creator EVER!Srinivassa

no way, man! it felt very much like all the nba live or madden nfl or tiger woods pga tour face creators. all those small incremental changes are for naught if the basic template is fugly. i'd rather be given a broad range of different looks to choose from with fewer options for changing them.

I liked Oblivion, I played two times with diferents races (with an imperial, and a Dark Elf). I found it amazing, but yes, I understand some of you guys, who didn't like the game for the things that you said, the wolfs for example, and other things that are also annoying. But I think that the people who make this game, make a very hard work, I mean, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE!!: WEAPONS, ARMORS, POWERS, PLANTS, SEEDS, FUITS, VEGETABLES, MEAT, ETC, ECTC, ETC...but also, theres somo much stuff that get you confused.

I would definitely buy the next Elder Scrolls because I know it's going to be a good work, and some of the people who didn's like this one, would like the new one, I really hope so.

Peace

From Lima, Peru

Alfredo

pd: i'm playing The Witcher now IT'S AMAZING, but totally different to Oblivion, I wouldn't compare them.

Ok. I have only played Oblivion for like 2 hours, but I will give it this: Best Face Creator EVER!Srinivassa

Just wait until you make another character (if you ever will), it will look the same. No matter how much you try to move the sliders, you always have the same looks in the end.

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.Grantelicious

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

Sure OBlivion has bugs but it's nowhere near the buggiest and it's one of the most polished games i've ever played for the PC.

Polished? We had no clip rain in the game for the longest of time.. Where rain went through buildings. :roll:

I liked Oblivion, I played two times with diferents races (with an imperial, and a Dark Elf). I found it amazing, but yes, I understand some of you guys, who didn't like the game for the things that you said, the wolfs for example, and other things that are also annoying. But I think that the people who make this game, make a very hard work, I mean, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE!!: WEAPONS, ARMORS, POWERS, PLANTS, SEEDS, FUITS, VEGETABLES, MEAT, ETC, ECTC, ETC...but also, theres somo much stuff that get you confused.

I would definitely buy the next Elder Scrolls because I know it's going to be a good work, and some of the people who didn's like this one, would like the new one, I really hope so.

Peace

From Lima, Peru

Alfredo

pd: i'm playing The Witcher now IT'S AMAZING, but totally different to Oblivion, I wouldn't compare them.

galiualfre

Here's the thing, though. A lot of that stuff isn't hand placed, rather it is randomly generated when you load the zone. Some programmer just put a "randomize loot" variable to all those crates, barrels, and chests. All those monsters and enemies? They were created the same way, pre-determined when you entered a zone based on your level. There's really no thought involved in this process, just maxamizing the efficiency of adding content to the game world. Sure this might sound like a great idea on paper, but in reality it really takes all the personality and soul out of the game.

I guess maybe this might sound fine to some people, but it really eliminates any kind of believability for me. Was there an actual good reason there was a carrot, some pants, and a broom inside that chest with the hard lock? No, it was just some algorithm that was developed to make the developer's life easier at the expense of game quality and believability. How come I hear so many claims about people being immersed in the game world, when so many things about that world are contrived and unrealistic?

[QUOTE="galiualfre"]

I liked Oblivion, I played two times with diferents races (with an imperial, and a Dark Elf). I found it amazing, but yes, I understand some of you guys, who didn't like the game for the things that you said, the wolfs for example, and other things that are also annoying. But I think that the people who make this game, make a very hard work, I mean, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE!!: WEAPONS, ARMORS, POWERS, PLANTS, SEEDS, FUITS, VEGETABLES, MEAT, ETC, ECTC, ETC...but also, theres somo much stuff that get you confused.

I would definitely buy the next Elder Scrolls because I know it's going to be a good work, and some of the people who didn's like this one, would like the new one, I really hope so.

Peace

From Lima, Peru

Alfredo

pd: i'm playing The Witcher now IT'S AMAZING, but totally different to Oblivion, I wouldn't compare them.

Alaris83

Here's the thing, though. A lot of that stuff isn't hand placed, rather it is randomly generated when you load the zone. Some programmer just put a "randomize loot" variable to all those crates, barrels, and chests. All those monsters and enemies? They were created the same way, pre-determined when you entered a zone based on your level. There's really no thought involved in this process, just maxamizing the efficiency of adding content to the game world. Sure this might sound like a great idea on paper, but in reality it really takes all the personality and soul out of the game.

I guess maybe this might sound fine to some people, but it really eliminates any kind of believability for me. Was there an actual good reason there was a carrot, some pants, and a broom inside that chest with the hard lock? No, it was just some algorithm that was developed to make the developer's life easier at the expense of game quality and believability. How come I hear so many claims about people being immersed in the game world, when so many things about that world are contrived and unrealistic?

good point- probably the best point so far.

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"][QUOTE="jasperrussell"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Its also incredibly polished, I dont know where you get bugs from because Ive never heard people complain about them.sSubZerOo

I'm not saying it wasn't buggy but I had no problem with the vampire cure quest - except it was big.

It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion. I see it more like a graphical adventure game with some action. Sure it doesn't do any one particular thing perfectly but a game only about one thing gets boring very quickly.

Sure OBlivion has bugs but it's nowhere near the buggiest and it's one of the most polished games i've ever played for the PC.

Polished? We had no clip rain in the game for the longest of time.. Where rain went through buildings. :roll:

hey, realism~! it just shows that roof construction in oblivion isn't quite what it is in our world: patchy job, poor material; hence rain through roof. ;)

I can see whyRPG gamers may not like it but for me was the first RPG game since Dink Smallwood!!!Feel free to laugh but what i'm trying to say is that it shouldn't be judged as an RPG game but as a game.Also for some people may be the way to get into this kind of games since its nota typical RPG so its easy to get into.

[QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="kpsting"]

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"] It seems it's the purist RPGer and veteran Morrowind players that don't like Oblivion...jasperrussell

Or maybe just people who understand that Oblivion is looks but no brains

Well.....I just finished Oblivion....around 200hrs. Pretty fun.

....but I also just ordered Morrowind GOTY....

Hope I get another 200+ hours from that too.:)

ok, I'm pro oblivion because I really enjoyed many many hours on it (I sound like a broken record). I didn't play morrowind. I don't go around proclaiming to be the god of RPGs (people that hold being a true RPGers need to get a life and probably a haircut) but I'm not a dipsh*t that doesn't understand RPGs. I played RPGs before they were on computers. MY QUESTION IS THIS: Is there someone out there that Played Oblivion First and then has played Morrowind. I want to hear from YOU! failing that I'll wait for FamiBox. I would play Morrowwind myself but I reckon I'll rather pay for The Witcher and I don't have time for both, but I am interested in the reverse perspective instead of the deluge of "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff" people. I ask this question because I know I've revisited games I absolutely loved in the past and of thought, wow I thought this was good!?

hmmm... I don't have the game yet (Morrowind) but from what I've read and videos I've seen of it on youtube it looks great!

The graphics still look pretty good to me (not up to Oblivion's standards of course) and it seems to be more text based. It kind of looks more serious than Oblivion, I guess; more hardcore.

I don't think I'm going to be disappointed when I play it. I grealty look forward to it :P

I really hate it when people say that oblivion has really good graphics, it doesn't. Everything was way to damn bright, everything has a reflective surface and it annoys the hell out of me, and frankly, the fact the people move around during the day doesn't make them seem more life like, because theirs no expression to them and it just makes them harder to find when you're doing a quest. For some reason, every human has a reddish glow to them like they all have sunburn, and the rag-doll physics make body's move unnaturally.

Must I go into the fact that all elvish races share the same voice actors? I thought dunmer were supposed to be really bad-asses, now they allsound like shimpy littlewood elfs. Where the argonians had a reptilian hiss and the Katjit a cat-like growl, theynow havethe same, mono-species voice that sound's like an annoying Siberian immigrant. Did I mention the orc women sound way too human when they talk? The voice acting it selfis horroble, completely emotionless, though I don't blam the voice actors since then had to voice over 100 NPC, but it seems like it really did'nt add to much to the game.

In morriwind if you found a water fall inside of a cave, you'd be like "OMGZ I LUV THIS PLACE" but when you enter a cave in oblivion with a waterfall it's like "ho hum, i've already seen this". In Morrowind, they could boast that they had every rock on the map HAND PLACED, they sure as hell can't make that claim when making oblivion, its all randomly generated. Morrowind was gritty and life like, and b/c of this, when you came a across a mission which contained humor, it was a re-memorable experience and the quests were also really clever, not this stupid "go to the sigal tower and steal the crystal" bullcrap you have in oblivion. Oblivion also made it waaaaay too easy to perform a daedric quest, were in Morrowind it was a near religious experience when you uncovered the shrine of Sherogorath hidden deep in the dungeons of Dagonfell.

Another thing that pissed me of was THAT THEY KILLED OFFSHEOGORATH, in the expansion pack Shivering islands & replaced him with some wimpy "god of justice & order" bull. I also hate how they fail to include ANY dwemer dungeons ANY WERE IN CYRODIL, replacing them with these"ayleids" that if you read the cannon in the first game are supposed to be primitive savages, yet the cyrodils act like they all went extinct or something. The nine divines are all a bunch of wimps, especially since they can't teleport me to the nearist town any more. The Almsivi were way cooler, even if they were just posers. AND everyone in Morrowind was killable, none of this "essential-invincibility" applied to every fricken guild master and hobo you meet on the street. Juib deserved better then to be pecked to death by cliff racers. House Dres were EXTREMELYpro-slavery AND anti-imperial, so the idea they would join with a pro-western house like Huallu to fight redoran & indoril, the only 2 honorably house in the game, and ABOLISH SLAVERY after they won, now that's just ignorant on behalf of the developers...

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This guy never heard of switching HDR and bloom off.Grantelicious

lol! that's the second time he posted that too...

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This guy never heard of switching HDR and bloom off.fireandcloud

lol! that's the second time he posted that too...

thought i had a strange sense of deja vu