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#51 BluRayHiDef
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When will these be available for sale?

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#52 JimmyJumpy
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When will these be available for sale?

BluRayHiDef

Alternate Belgium is expecting first shipments to arrive between the 15th and 21st of January, according to a guy who works there...

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#53 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

When will these be available for sale?

JimmyJumpy

Alternate Belgium is expecting first shipments to arrive between the 15th and 21st of January, according to a guy who works there...

Will these chips come with dip? if so, what kind?

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#54 sinpkr
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i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

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#55 BluRayHiDef
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i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

sinpkr

Do you think they'd be able to compete with Intel if they joined the market for normal customers?

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#56 James161324
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Very impressive, this could put AMD even in a worst state with these lower priced CPU.

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#57 Bikouchu35
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Very impressive, this could put AMD even in a worst state with these lower priced CPU.

James161324

AMD has nothing to worry about at the budget range. Intel refuses to lower their prices on their older sockets anyway just look at the core2 prices!

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#58 James161324
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[QUOTE="James161324"]

Very impressive, this could put AMD even in a worst state with these lower priced CPU.

Bikouchu35

AMD has nothing to worry about at the budget range. Intel refuses to lower their prices on their older sockets anyway just look at the core2 prices!

I guess so,

core 2 are overpriced compared to the i3,5,7 series. So much, the 179,99 for my quad was retarded. but i didn't really have the choice to get the i5/i7

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#59 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

[QUOTE="James161324"]

Very impressive, this could put AMD even in a worst state with these lower priced CPU.

James161324

AMD has nothing to worry about at the budget range. Intel refuses to lower their prices on their older sockets anyway just look at the core2 prices!

I guess so,

core 2 are overpriced compared to the i3,5,7 series. So much, the 179,99 for my quad was retarded. but i didn't really have the choice to get the i5/i7

Haha, I guess people like you and I don't help the problem much. If people are willing to pay the price for C2's why should Intel lower the price.

Half way through last year (2010) I got my C2Q for ~$280, more expensive then i5 760, but cheaper than getting new mobo and RAM too.

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#60 James161324
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[QUOTE="James161324"]

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

AMD has nothing to worry about at the budget range. Intel refuses to lower their prices on their older sockets anyway just look at the core2 prices!

C_Rule

I guess so,

core 2 are overpriced compared to the i3,5,7 series. So much, the 179,99 for my quad was retarded. but i didn't really have the choice to get the i5/i7

Haha, I guess people like you and I don't help the problem much. If people are willing to pay the price for C2's why should Intel lower the price.

Half way through last year (2010) I got my C2Q for ~$280, more expensive then i5 760, but cheaper than getting new mobo and RAM too.

Thats what kept me from getting an i5, i was looking at 300 to get a quad, new mobo and ram

vs 170

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#61 Marfoo
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[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

BluRayHiDef

Do you think they'd be able to compete with Intel if they joined the market for normal customers?

IBM power PC processors were used in Apple products for a long time, they are used in the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360. Also, many companies offer microcontrollers with one or two Power PC processors combined with an FPGA. AMD has a smart position here because they're licensing the x86 architecture and instruction set from Intel. To use a Power PC processor from IBM, you would need code compiled for that architecture and instruction set. Apple was willing to make sure their OS and software was standardized in that way, but even they have since moved to x86. So even if you had an IBM processor, you would need a different OS and suite of software compiled for it.
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#62 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

Marfoo

Do you think they'd be able to compete with Intel if they joined the market for normal customers?

IBM power PC processors were used in Apple products for a long time, they are used in the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360. Also, many companies offer microcontrollers with one or two Power PC processors combined with an FPGA. AMD has a smart position here because they're licensing the x86 architecture and instruction set from Intel. To use a Power PC processor from IBM, you would need code compiled for that architecture and instruction set. Apple was willing to make sure their OS and software was standardized in that way, but even they have since moved to x86. So even if you had an IBM processor, you would need a different OS and suite of software compiled for it.

This is interesting. Why doesn't IBM simply do what AMD does and licence the x86 architecture and make their own processors for it?

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#63 Marfoo
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[QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Do you think they'd be able to compete with Intel if they joined the market for normal customers?

BluRayHiDef

IBM power PC processors were used in Apple products for a long time, they are used in the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360. Also, many companies offer microcontrollers with one or two Power PC processors combined with an FPGA. AMD has a smart position here because they're licensing the x86 architecture and instruction set from Intel. To use a Power PC processor from IBM, you would need code compiled for that architecture and instruction set. Apple was willing to make sure their OS and software was standardized in that way, but even they have since moved to x86. So even if you had an IBM processor, you would need a different OS and suite of software compiled for it.

This is interesting. Why doesn't IBM simply do what AMD does and licence the x86 architecture and make their own processors for it?

It was never their target market. The consumer desktop and laptop market is only a very small portion of all processors sold. They've got their fingers in other markets, like embedded systems and control systems. You can do a lot with a powerful processor and an FPGA, that's an amazing tool for an engineer. Power PC has been used in things like super computers where the code is very specialized anyway. Their interests are elsewhere. IBM did put a lot of work into the CELL processor I believe, but even that is catered to a much different market.
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#64 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="Marfoo"] IBM power PC processors were used in Apple products for a long time, they are used in the Nintendo Wii and Xbox 360. Also, many companies offer microcontrollers with one or two Power PC processors combined with an FPGA. AMD has a smart position here because they're licensing the x86 architecture and instruction set from Intel. To use a Power PC processor from IBM, you would need code compiled for that architecture and instruction set. Apple was willing to make sure their OS and software was standardized in that way, but even they have since moved to x86. So even if you had an IBM processor, you would need a different OS and suite of software compiled for it. Marfoo

This is interesting. Why doesn't IBM simply do what AMD does and licence the x86 architecture and make their own processors for it?

It was never their target market. The consumer desktop and laptop market is only a very small portion of all processors sold. They've got their fingers in other markets, like embedded systems and control systems. You can do a lot with a powerful processor and an FPGA, that's an amazing tool for an engineer. Power PC has been used in things like super computers where the code is very specialized anyway. Their interests are elsewhere. IBM did put a lot of work into the CELL processor I believe, but even that is catered to a much different market.

Hypothetically speaking, if IBM joined the mainstream consumer market for desktops and laptops, do you think they'd be able to produce chips that are better than Intel's and AMD's? Assume that the chips they'd produce would be from the same architecture as AMDs and Intel's.

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#65 Marfoo
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[QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

This is interesting. Why doesn't IBM simply do what AMD does and licence the x86 architecture and make their own processors for it?

BluRayHiDef

It was never their target market. The consumer desktop and laptop market is only a very small portion of all processors sold. They've got their fingers in other markets, like embedded systems and control systems. You can do a lot with a powerful processor and an FPGA, that's an amazing tool for an engineer. Power PC has been used in things like super computers where the code is very specialized anyway. Their interests are elsewhere. IBM did put a lot of work into the CELL processor I believe, but even that is catered to a much different market.

Hypothetically speaking, if IBM joined the mainstream consumer market for desktops and laptops, do you think they'd be able to produce chips that are better than Intel's and AMD's? Assume that the chips they'd produce would be from the same architecture as AMDs and Intel's.

IBM is definitely not a small player, they've been responsible for many innovations. I do think they would possibly be a company with enough money to pump in to R&D to match Intel. However, Intel has a very impressive manufacturing arm as well, they pioneer in both design and construction. If they really wanted to I think IBM could put a competitive product out there. It would be a really rough launch and they would definitely have to do a lot of work to rally up hardware and software partners. So yeah, I think they could do it, but they have their resources focused elsewhere, where it's perhaps more profitable.
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Reuters is reporting Intel is embedding DRM into these chips for hollywood to restrict movies to certain things it seems. That sounds pretty shady to mean and I'm suprised Intel even decided to do that I guess anything is possible when enough cash is being thrown around. So because I choose to buy an AMD I might not be able to view things online? That doesn't sound awesome to me at all.

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Reuters is reporting Intel is embedding DRM into these chips for hollywood to restrict movies to certain things it seems. That sounds pretty shady to mean and I'm suprised Intel even decided to do that I guess anything is possible when enough cash is being thrown around. So because I choose to buy an AMD I might not be able to view things online? That doesn't sound awesome to me at all.

xXDrPainXx
Why dont YOU read the article instead of spreading lies on this forum. Its just a service to stream videos to your PC using a special key assigned to your CPU, this is not DRM which will regulate what you can play on the PC.
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#68 xXDrPainXx
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That' still locking ME from something if I NEED a special key now doesn't it?
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#69 Daytona_178
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That' still locking ME from something if I NEED a special key now doesn't it? xXDrPainXx
If you own a sandy bridge CPU then it will have a unique code to it, NOW, Hollywood trust this method apparently for streaming directly to the PC as they can make sure its going to only 1 customer. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? You can still rent movies from other vendors.
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#70 istuffedsunny
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Looks pretty impressive but I'm not feeling any need to upgrade from the 920 soon. Maybe when stock speeds reach 4ghz :D
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#71 xXDrPainXx
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Dude its a start if this takes off whats stopping Intel from monopolizing the market with content and media providers? Whats stopping people from saying well the only way you can view this content you need this? Crap like this that starts small but then takes off only hurts people in the long run. I don't want to HAVE to be forced to buy something that will probably be over priced for what it really is just to watch some crap online?

I'm sure if it gets to that point it can and probably will be spoofed but still no one should have to go through hoops just to be able to stream something or watch a DVD in their computer.

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#73 Mr_BillGates
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Don't forget that the measly dualcore 2100T ($100) being on par with older i7 and AMD hex/quads in pretty much every single games on the test. I'm pretty sure a good gaming rig is even more affordable now courtesy of Sandy Bridge. :)

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Dude its a start if this takes off whats stopping Intel from monopolizing the market with content and media providers? Whats stopping people from saying well the only way you can view this content you need this? Crap like this that starts small but then takes off only hurts people in the long run. I don't want to HAVE to be forced to buy something that will probably be over priced for what it really is just to watch some crap online?

I'm sure if it gets to that point it can and probably will be spoofed but still no one should have to go through hoops just to be able to stream something or watch a DVD in their computer.

xXDrPainXx

You seem to get upset about things which aren't there, DrPain. You talk about "being forced", while there's no enforcement, only a possibility to stream content directly through a private code instead of renting that same content from the video-rent around the corner. It's not because Intel integrates such a possibility on its CPU that all the DVD/CD/Game stores are going to close...

And about "watching some crap online", well, it's exactly the same crap you can buy in the store dude... And the sandy Bridge CPUs offer this possibility just to NOT having to go through hoops just to be able to stream something...

Basically, what this service boils down to, is that the CPU now has something like Steam implemented in its internals... persoanlly, i don't like steam either, but there's a lot of people out there who don't have any qualms about using Steam. Neither should they to buy a Sandy Bridge CPU and use what it has to offer...

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"The end result is better performance all around. For the same money as you would've spent last year, you can expect anywhere from 10-50% more performance in existing applications and games from Sandy Bridge." - Thats says enough for me... I only just bought an i5 but i guess atleast i'll have something to look forward to in future.
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[QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

Reuters is reporting Intel is embedding DRM into these chips for hollywood to restrict movies to certain things it seems. That sounds pretty shady to mean and I'm suprised Intel even decided to do that I guess anything is possible when enough cash is being thrown around. So because I choose to buy an AMD I might not be able to view things online? That doesn't sound awesome to me at all.

Daytona_178
Why dont YOU read the article instead of spreading lies on this forum. Its just a service to stream videos to your PC using a special key assigned to your CPU, this is not DRM which will regulate what you can play on the PC.

Go rage more. This whole thread all you have done is tell people what to do, what to post... Seriously? Give it a break you control freak.
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#78 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

Reuters is reporting Intel is embedding DRM into these chips for hollywood to restrict movies to certain things it seems. That sounds pretty shady to mean and I'm suprised Intel even decided to do that I guess anything is possible when enough cash is being thrown around. So because I choose to buy an AMD I might not be able to view things online? That doesn't sound awesome to me at all.

Skullsoldi3r
Why dont YOU read the article instead of spreading lies on this forum. Its just a service to stream videos to your PC using a special key assigned to your CPU, this is not DRM which will regulate what you can play on the PC.

Go rage more. This whole thread all you have done is tell people what to do, what to post... Seriously? Give it a break you control freak.

Haha, chill bro. No one's raging.
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

Reuters is reporting Intel is embedding DRM into these chips for hollywood to restrict movies to certain things it seems. That sounds pretty shady to mean and I'm suprised Intel even decided to do that I guess anything is possible when enough cash is being thrown around. So because I choose to buy an AMD I might not be able to view things online? That doesn't sound awesome to me at all.

Skullsoldi3r

Why dont YOU read the article instead of spreading lies on this forum. Its just a service to stream videos to your PC using a special key assigned to your CPU, this is not DRM which will regulate what you can play on the PC.

Go rage more. This whole thread all you have done is tell people what to do, what to post... Seriously? Give it a break you control freak.

The only thing Daytona did was urging people to actually read what they wrongly commented about... nothing more, nothing less. No raging either. At least, I didn't see any foam around the mouth. You, on the other hand... ;)

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is time for a upgrade for me.....i7 2600k or i5 2500k + GTX 580.......any fine motherboard recommended?....
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#81 blaznwiipspman1
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I dont give a rats behind about all this DRM crap. Stop trying to defend intel like a bunch of fanboys. I would rather NOT have ANY DRM on sandy bridge whatsoever. I am a customer paying for their chip and dam straight all I want is the bloody chip nothing else....NOTHING.

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#82 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="xXDrPainXx"]

Reuters is reporting Intel is embedding DRM into these chips for hollywood to restrict movies to certain things it seems. That sounds pretty shady to mean and I'm suprised Intel even decided to do that I guess anything is possible when enough cash is being thrown around. So because I choose to buy an AMD I might not be able to view things online? That doesn't sound awesome to me at all.

Skullsoldi3r
Why dont YOU read the article instead of spreading lies on this forum. Its just a service to stream videos to your PC using a special key assigned to your CPU, this is not DRM which will regulate what you can play on the PC.

No, what happened is that the OP lied about what the article said and then everyone just took his word for it without reading the actual article....I am raging because of the PURE stupidity of this thread. Go rage more. This whole thread all you have done is tell people what to do, what to post... Seriously? Give it a break you control freak.

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#83 Daytona_178
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I dont give a rats behind about all this DRM crap. Stop trying to defend intel like a bunch of fanboys. I would rather NOT have ANY DRM on sandy bridge whatsoever. I am a customer paying for their chip and dam straight all I want is the bloody chip nothing else....NOTHING.

blaznwiipspman1
If they didnt use the word "DRM" would you still feel the same way? All Intel are doing is putting a code on your CPU (a unique code) so companies TRUST your machine and are willing to stream content to you which they would not do otherwise.
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i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

sinpkr

Because I don't think they don't compete in the x86 cpu market. And if they released a processor for a consumer it wouldn't be x86, which means it's going to be running Linux or anything that isn't Windows/Mac. How many consumers would care about that?

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#85 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

JigglyWiggly_

Because I don't think they don't compete in the x86 cpu market. And if they released a processor for a consumer it wouldn't be x86, which means it's going to be running Linux or anything that isn't Windows/Mac. How many consumers would care about that?

Make them care.

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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

i dont get why ibm dosent make chips for normal customers instead of only corparations

BluRayHiDef

Because I don't think they don't compete in the x86 cpu market. And if they released a processor for a consumer it wouldn't be x86, which means it's going to be running Linux or anything that isn't Windows/Mac. How many consumers would care about that?

Make them care.

We'll put you in charge of that then, will we?
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#88 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] Because I don't think they don't compete in the x86 cpu market. And if they released a processor for a consumer it wouldn't be x86, which means it's going to be running Linux or anything that isn't Windows/Mac. How many consumers would care about that?

C_Rule

Make them care.

We'll put you in charge of that then, will we?

They should. I'm the best at what I do.

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#89 Daytona_178
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Intel: We are going to put a unique code on each CPU so it can be sent secure media content so we can offer you more services.

Gamespot User: Yo Intel, why you stopping me from watching my movies with DRM?

Intel: Ummmm, were not, its just a code so you can use this perticular movie service if you want to.

Gamespot User: Yo dude, this is not cool, not at all! Dont put DRM on my CPU.

Intel: You dont have to use it you know.

Gamespot User: Yo dog, if this takes off you could monopolise the market, thats not good.

Intel: its a free market, if its a good service it deserves to take off.

Gamespot User: DAMNNNNNNN, Intel is evil dude!

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that I5 for $220 is epic. _________________ http://tandaiduong.com.vn
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#91 BluRayHiDef
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Man, forget about these Sandy Bridge chips. I want to know when the HD 6990 is coming out. I'm tired of waiting for that card. Do you think it'll be released next month, in February? I hope so.

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#92 DarkStar4565
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I just built a system with the sandy bridge i7 2600K. Here's a screen shot:

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#93 Bikouchu35
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Pict of the box or lies!

How much did the cpu and mobo cost btw? Post some benchies while your at it.

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#94 DarkStar4565
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Pict of the box or lies!

How much did the cpu and mobo cost btw? Post some benchies while your at it.

Bikouchu35

ok here you go.

I'll try to post some benchmarks later

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#95 Daytona_178
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Quick, but a 1156 cooler and overclock it!

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#96 DarkStar4565
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Quick, but a 1156 cooler and overclock it!

Daytona_178
nah. An i7 @ 3.4 GHZ is more than enough for me.
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#97 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

Quick, but a 1156 cooler and overclock it!

DarkStar4565
nah. An i7 @ 3.4 GHZ is more than enough for me.

Well, you have the option for the future anyway :)
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#98 JimmyJumpy
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[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

Pict of the box or lies!

How much did the cpu and mobo cost btw? Post some benchies while your at it.

DarkStar4565

ok here you go.

I'll try to post some benchmarks later

Why are your toes cemented into the floor? :o

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#99 DarkStar4565
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Thats my brother actually.... :)
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#100 C_Rule
Member since 2008 • 9816 Posts
I didn't think they were out yet. What am I missing? o.O