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#1 deactivated-5fcf883042346
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If you are to lazy to watch it then when this strikes don't be surprised!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JhwuXNv8fJM

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#2 Jabby250
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Is it really that bad? I agree with the idea in principle, that of having the right to shut down sites that distribute copyrighted material (i.e. like torrent sites). Not taking down youtube or google, or sending someone to prison for downloading a few songs... just going after the sources.

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#3 QQabitmoar
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Is it really that bad? I agree with the idea in principle, that of having the right to shut down sites that distribute copyrighted material (i.e. like torrent sites). Not taking down youtube or google, or sending someone to prison for downloading a few songs... just going after the sources.

Jabby250

I don;t even live in the US and am worried about it, so I looked into it. They can put you in jail for referencing My Little Pony and Lost in your sig. It's THAT ridiculous.

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#4 Baranga
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Is it really that bad? I agree with the idea in principle, that of having the right to shut down sites that distribute copyrighted material (i.e. like torrent sites). Not taking down youtube or google, or sending someone to prison for downloading a few songs... just going after the sources.

Jabby250

Take a look at what Hitler has to say about SOPA.

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#5 SystemsGO
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SOPA is entirely ridiculous. I don't understand why you would even contemplate passing a law with these measures, it's completely atrocious and the guy has a paoint. Why should these guys who can barely operate a keyboard sufficiently be able to debate and pass a law of this caliber? That idea in it's self is retarded at best. To the poster who said it's not a big deal, it really IS a big deal. Corporations in America dominate not only the Americas, but the world and it's showing here with this law. Coporations are America's Hitler or Sadam.

It makes you wonder what means you could take to protect yourself from this kind of thing whether or not you're doing anything illegal, and it also makes me wonder why they don't focus more on things that hurt developers, producers and distributers more like places that sale USED CD's, USED GAMES, USED MOVIES. None of that ever gets any mention, because at least SOMEONE is making money, even though it's not the people who worked hard on giving it to you, where the money SHOULD be going, but still isn't going.

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SOPA is entirely ridiculous. I don't understand why you would even contemplate passing a law with these measures, it's completely atrocious and the guy has a paoint. Why should these guys who can barely operate a keyboard sufficiently be able to debate and pass a law of this caliber? That idea in it's self is retarded at best. To the poster who said it's not a big deal, it really IS a big deal. Corporations in America dominate not only the Americas, but the world and it's showing here with this law. Coporations are America's Hitler or Sadam.

It makes you wonder what means you could take to protect yourself from this kind of thing whether or not you're doing anything illegal, and it also makes me wonder why they don't focus more on things that hurt developers, producers and distributers more like places that sale USED CD's, USED GAMES, USED MOVIES. None of that ever gets any mention, because at least SOMEONE is making money, even though it's not the people who worked hard on giving it to you, where the money SHOULD be going, but still isn't going.

SystemsGO

I agreed with your first paragraph. Then you went back to your rant about used items again. You must have some kind of used goods boner or something.

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I'm never a fan of the government censoring things.

But the government giving that kind of power to companies ? No, just no !

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#8 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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SOPA is still dead...Have not heard a single thing about it since congress put it on hold.

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#9 Baranga
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It makes you wonder what means you could take to protect yourself from this kind of thing whether or not you're doing anything illegal, and it also makes me wonder why they don't focus more on things that hurt developers, producers and distributers more like places that sale USED CD's, USED GAMES, USED MOVIES. None of that ever gets any mention, because at least SOMEONE is making money, even though it's not the people who worked hard on giving it to you, where the money SHOULD be going, but still isn't going.

SystemsGO

Used sales of goods are socially acceptable due to centuries of doing it.

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#10 SystemsGO
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[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]



It makes you wonder what means you could take to protect yourself from this kind of thing whether or not you're doing anything illegal, and it also makes me wonder why they don't focus more on things that hurt developers, producers and distributers more like places that sale USED CD's, USED GAMES, USED MOVIES. None of that ever gets any mention, because at least SOMEONE is making money, even though it's not the people who worked hard on giving it to you, where the money SHOULD be going, but still isn't going.

Baranga

Used sales of goods are socially acceptable due to centuries of doing it.



They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

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#11 Mr_Ditters
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I heard something about Google, facebook and wikipedia and other major internet sites threatening to battle this by protesting on their websites. In one day they could get more attention about a piece of legislation than any other in history. I'm not too scared.

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[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

Is it really that bad? I agree with the idea in principle, that of having the right to shut down sites that distribute copyrighted material (i.e. like torrent sites). Not taking down youtube or google, or sending someone to prison for downloading a few songs... just going after the sources.

QQabitmoar

I don;t even live in the US and am worried about it, so I looked into it. They can put you in jail for referencing My Little Pony and Lost in your sig. It's THAT ridiculous.

Everyone that references My Little Pony ever should be thrown in jail.

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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]



It makes you wonder what means you could take to protect yourself from this kind of thing whether or not you're doing anything illegal, and it also makes me wonder why they don't focus more on things that hurt developers, producers and distributers more like places that sale USED CD's, USED GAMES, USED MOVIES. None of that ever gets any mention, because at least SOMEONE is making money, even though it's not the people who worked hard on giving it to you, where the money SHOULD be going, but still isn't going.

SystemsGO

Used sales of goods are socially acceptable due to centuries of doing it.



They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

You are a stupid stupid person.

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#14 Baranga
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]



It makes you wonder what means you could take to protect yourself from this kind of thing whether or not you're doing anything illegal, and it also makes me wonder why they don't focus more on things that hurt developers, producers and distributers more like places that sale USED CD's, USED GAMES, USED MOVIES. None of that ever gets any mention, because at least SOMEONE is making money, even though it's not the people who worked hard on giving it to you, where the money SHOULD be going, but still isn't going.

SystemsGO

Used sales of goods are socially acceptable due to centuries of doing it.



They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

Used sales are socially acceptable everywhere. It was a thriving business where I live during the good old Soviet days, and we sure as hell weren't capitalists back then. You can't stop people from selling and buying used stuff, either directly from the seller or from some random reseller.

Nobody needs to find a way to make a profit from piracy. People need to change their business model so that pirates don't provide better service. I believe the problems are the result of the generation gap between the people in charge of various industries and their consumers. It's natural and I am not really bothered by the future - even if SOPA becomes law. Time will solve this problem.

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#15 GuitarPAaron
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[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]


They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

NailedGR

You are a stupid stupid person.

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#16 SystemsGO
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[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]


They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

GuitarPAaron

You are a stupid stupid person.

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Based on what exactly?I share a different opinion than you? So in your eyes the only possible reason behind that is that my IQ is significantly lower than yours? Or is it because I somehow hurt your feelings in one my previous threads? If you don't have a valid argument then don't comment at all. Especially with "You are stupid" I haven't called anyone stupid here, so don't call me stupid for literally no reason at all just because you're butthurt. That's what I don't get about this forum, guys like you are way too common and nned to be exterminated from the forums.

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#17 GuitarPAaron
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[QUOTE="GuitarPAaron"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

You are a stupid stupid person.

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Based on what exactly?

The fact that you are just going from thread to thread talking about how used games are so much worse than piracy. Talking about how the developers need to be supported constantly and then you're saying things like " But more and more to my surprise it seems it's full of empty promises, complaining and whining regarding the PC community and things that go on within that community. Not to mention the disappointment I feel each time I'm lied to, cheated, and have my money blindly stolen by a developer or publisher. Sometimes it seems rather senseless to me, to even listen to these crooks."

You just need to make up your mind. Stupid certainly isn't the right word, so much as conflicted and irritatingly persistant on forcnig your opinion of used games into every thread, no matter how relevant. We should be doing everything in our power to support the publishers, however, they're lying crooks.

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#18 JigglyWiggly_
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SOPA is still dead...Have not heard a single thing about it since congress put it on hold.

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That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.
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#19 CHANCESUNDANCE
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SOPA ?

i don"T even like the sound of that?

Keep internet free and without censorship for all !!!

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#20 SystemsGO
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[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

[QUOTE="GuitarPAaron"]

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GuitarPAaron


Based on what exactly?

The fact that you are just going from thread to thread talking about how used games are so much worse than piracy. Talking about how the developers need to be supported constantly and then you're saying things like " But more and more to my surprise it seems it's full of empty promises, complaining and whining regarding the PC community and things that go on within that community. Not to mention the disappointment I feel each time I'm lied to, cheated, and have my money blindly stolen by a developer or publisher. Sometimes it seems rather senseless to me, to even listen to these crooks."

You just need to make up your mind. Stupid certainly isn't the right word, so much as conflicted and irritatingly persistant on forcnig your opinion of used games into every thread, no matter how relevant. We should be doing everything in our power to support the publishers, however, they're lying crooks.



So you're saying there is specifically only one kind of publisher? That there are no honest or dishonest publishers. There publishers I support, and there are publishers I despise(who I try to empathize with anyway) only to be disappointed for something so hyped up. Then you have your honest publishers, who do what they say they're going to do and release an actual quality product. With that being said, am i also not allowed to think negatively of piracy and feel that people instead of stealing it should be buying it? ? Is there also a problem for me to vent my discontent for certain developers while speaking in general terms on a blog?

Oh, I'm sorry! I forgot, next time when I have an opinion that may be more complicated than you can handle I'll be sure to run that by you and ask you if it's okay. Would that be better? I didn't realize you were the worldly Gamespot leader and all.. Here's something you can do. Get off of my back. Simple mindedness bothers me to no end.

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#21 GuitarPAaron
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SOPA is still dead...Have not heard a single thing about it since congress put it on hold.

JigglyWiggly_
That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.

They actually tried to move the date up at one point but it didn't go through I don't think. Congress has become so selfish and self centered that i'm almost embarrassed to live here. SOPA will be the death of the internet too. You better believe that gamespot won't make it long. There is a picture of the intel logo in your sig. There's some jail time. People will talk about games, but not have the written consent from the publisher to say that they found gears of war to be rather enjoyable, so all of gamespot will be taken down and the person who talked about the game will be jailed. DEMOCRACY :D
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SOPA actually means SOUP in Spanish :) Well, Internet is still one of the most FREE things left in life. It's no wonder more and more countries are trying to control it.
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

SOPA is still dead...Have not heard a single thing about it since congress put it on hold.

GuitarPAaron

That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.

They actually tried to move the date up at one point but it didn't go through I don't think. Congress has become so selfish and self centered that i'm almost embarrassed to live here. SOPA will be the death of the internet too. You better believe that gamespot won't make it long. There is a picture of the intel logo in your sig. There's some jail time. People will talk about games, but not have the written consent from the publisher to say that they found gears of war to be rather enjoyable, so all of gamespot will be taken down and the person who talked about the game will be jailed. DEMOCRACY :D

It won't get that bad.

If it passes lots of illegal website will be blocked and there will be some control, but not to that extent.

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It won't get that bad.

If it passes lots of illegal website will be blocked and there will be some control, but not to that extent.

FelipeInside

This post made me chuckle since you're Australian etc.

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[QUOTE="GuitarPAaron"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.FelipeInside

They actually tried to move the date up at one point but it didn't go through I don't think. Congress has become so selfish and self centered that i'm almost embarrassed to live here. SOPA will be the death of the internet too. You better believe that gamespot won't make it long. There is a picture of the intel logo in your sig. There's some jail time. People will talk about games, but not have the written consent from the publisher to say that they found gears of war to be rather enjoyable, so all of gamespot will be taken down and the person who talked about the game will be jailed. DEMOCRACY :D

It won't get that bad.

If it passes lots of illegal website will be blocked and there will be some control, but not to that extent.



The fine text explains that they want it to be to that point, though I do agree that it likely wont actually get to that point because it's entirely irrational and a major uproar would happen forcing a removal of a bill anyway. Though, in the video I linked you to some publisher removed a song from a website that they personally had no rightds to. It's like they were trying to "flex" their muscles and warm up for whats to come. Like we say though, it probably wont get anywhere near that bad.

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#26 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

It won't get that bad.

If it passes lots of illegal website will be blocked and there will be some control, but not to that extent.

Baranga

This post made me chuckle since you're Australian etc.

Why? Just cause I am not there doesn't mean I don't understand. There have been laws like this tried before. If they had their way it COULD get to that extent, but in the end, after a lot of reviewing and stuff... if it passes it will be a modified version of that video.
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

SOPA is still dead...Have not heard a single thing about it since congress put it on hold.

GuitarPAaron

That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.

They actually tried to move the date up at one point but it didn't go through I don't think. Congress has become so selfish and self centered that i'm almost embarrassed to live here. SOPA will be the death of the internet too. You better believe that gamespot won't make it long. There is a picture of the intel logo in your sig. There's some jail time. People will talk about games, but not have the written consent from the publisher to say that they found gears of war to be rather enjoyable, so all of gamespot will be taken down and the person who talked about the game will be jailed. DEMOCRACY :D



I don't think something as simple as an Intel logo in your signature would spark any sort of unwanted attention. I think once the bill passes we'll see that they'll be more focused on advertising things that contribute to piracy, or hosting copywrighted songs on Youtube. Things of that nature, and sites like Youtube will be a thing in the past for the most part. But something like Gamespot(who works with developers) wont suffer at all, and neither will you for an Nvidia or Intel signature. It's considered promoting if you do something like that, and the companies will embrace it.

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#28 SystemsGO
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

It won't get that bad.

If it passes lots of illegal website will be blocked and there will be some control, but not to that extent.

FelipeInside

This post made me chuckle since you're Australian etc.

Why? Just cause I am not there doesn't mean I don't understand. There have been laws like this tried before. If they had their way it COULD get to that extent, but in the end, after a lot of reviewing and stuff... if it passes it will be a modified version of that video.



Agreed, and the law wont strickly be bound to American IPs either. It's giving them the authority to ruin the entire Interneet which Felipe also has access too. He visits the same sites we do, etc.. But thanks to the American congress he will suffer for it as well.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Baranga"]

This post made me chuckle since you're Australian etc.

SystemsGO

Why? Just cause I am not there doesn't mean I don't understand. There have been laws like this tried before. If they had their way it COULD get to that extent, but in the end, after a lot of reviewing and stuff... if it passes it will be a modified version of that video.



Agreed, and the law wont strickly be bound to American IPs either. It's giving them the authority to ruin the entire Interneet which Felipe also has access too. He visits the same sites we do, etc.. But thanks to the American congress he will suffer for it as well.

Really? I thought SOPA was an AMERICAN law....so limited to American ISPs and IP Addresses?

As for YouTube and the like, (if the law gets passed) they will be around but with much more control. Heck, even Facebook now has copyright software embedded on their user videos, and YouTube (google) is looking into it as well.

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Really? I didn't know that about Facebook. I assumed though that Youtube would start doing something like that, though I really see SOPA becoming a problem as far as the removal of certain sites(these would be taken down entirely, meaning you wont have access either). Then the deconstruction of something like Youtube.. I'm not sure if that guys have a different version, but if it entirely had to change it's ways over here I think the deconstruction would be widespread and not only limited to us, and that's unfortunately really.

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Really? I didn't know that about Facebook. I assumed though that Youtube would start doing something like that, though I really see SOPA becoming a problem as far as the removal of certain sites(these would be taken down entirely, meaning you wont have access either). Then the deconstruction of something like Youtube.. I'm not sure if that guys have a different version, but if it entirely had to change it's ways over here I think the deconstruction would be widespread and not only limited to us, and that's unfortunately really.

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SIDE-NOTE: The facebook copyright detection software is amazing. If I create a video for example about my trip to somewhere, and then put a song in the background, the software will actually check the song, see if it's copyrighted, see if my video has the correct copyright codecs and then not allow it.
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That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.JigglyWiggly_

That's not really possible at the moment.

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#33 Jabby250
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

It won't get that bad.

If it passes lots of illegal website will be blocked and there will be some control, but not to that extent.

FelipeInside

This post made me chuckle since you're Australian etc.

Why? Just cause I am not there doesn't mean I don't understand. There have been laws like this tried before. If they had their way it COULD get to that extent, but in the end, after a lot of reviewing and stuff... if it passes it will be a modified version of that video.

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense for companies to go to such an extent to inconvenience their customers. I don't know whether it's bad or good but I'm not gonna write off the idea behind it immediately.

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[QUOTE="GuitarPAaron"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] That's their plan, pass it when nobody is lookin.SystemsGO

They actually tried to move the date up at one point but it didn't go through I don't think. Congress has become so selfish and self centered that i'm almost embarrassed to live here. SOPA will be the death of the internet too. You better believe that gamespot won't make it long. There is a picture of the intel logo in your sig. There's some jail time. People will talk about games, but not have the written consent from the publisher to say that they found gears of war to be rather enjoyable, so all of gamespot will be taken down and the person who talked about the game will be jailed. DEMOCRACY :D



I don't think something as simple as an Intel logo in your signature would spark any sort of unwanted attention. I think once the bill passes we'll see that they'll be more focused on advertising things that contribute to piracy, or hosting copywrighted songs on Youtube. Things of that nature, and sites like Youtube will be a thing in the past for the most part. But something like Gamespot(who works with developers) wont suffer at all, and neither will you for an Nvidia or Intel signature. It's considered promoting if you do something like that, and the companies will embrace it.

I was slightly exaggerating ;)I'm just saying that if SOPA passes, i feel it will be exploited like there is no tomorrow, and that's frankly a bad thing for the internet and an even worse thing for free speech. I have a huge problem with the fact that there is little to no evidence needed.

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[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Used sales of goods are socially acceptable due to centuries of doing it.

Baranga



They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

Used sales are socially acceptable everywhere. It was a thriving business where I live during the good old Soviet days, and we sure as hell weren't capitalists back then. You can't stop people from selling and buying used stuff, either directly from the seller or from some random reseller.

Nobody needs to find a way to make a profit from piracy. People need to change their business model so that pirates don't provide better service. I believe the problems are the result of the generation gap between the people in charge of various industries and their consumers. It's natural and I am not really bothered by the future - even if SOPA becomes law. Time will solve this problem.

But what kind of service? People keep saying that offering a better service is the way to go but they implicitly refer to the current market/laws that are in place. Whether trying to offer 'a better service' always leads to success is debatable imo (see: CDProjekt), as is the viability to achieve that goal for some companies. Arguing that offering a better service is the solution is useless when no one can agree on what that is.

Taking down torrent sites is a more precise goal -- and why wouldn't corporations fight for that -- instead of trying to compete with piracy? You could argue it's egoistical but companies like Google are only against the law because it's intrusive upon their own business practices.

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#36 Baranga
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Used sales are socially acceptable everywhere. It was a thriving business where I live during the good old Soviet days, and we sure as hell weren't capitalists back then. You can't stop people from selling and buying used stuff, either directly from the seller or from some random reseller.

Nobody needs to find a way to make a profit from piracy. People need to change their business model so that pirates don't provide better service. I believe the problems are the result of the generation gap between the people in charge of various industries and their consumers. It's natural and I am not really bothered by the future - even if SOPA becomes law. Time will solve this problem.

Jabby250

But what kind of service? People keep saying that offering a better service is the way to go but they implicitly refer to the current market/laws that are in place. Whether trying to offer 'a better service' always leads to success is debatable imo (see: CDProjekt), as is the viability to achieve that goal for some companies. Arguing that offering a better service is the solution is useless when no one can agree on what that is.

Taking down torrent sites is a more precise goal -- and why wouldn't corporations fight for that -- instead of trying to compete with piracy? You could argue it's egoistical but companies like Google are only against the law because it's intrusive upon their own business practices.

A great start would be to stop worrying about theoretical dollars.

The problem is not "how do I stop pirates from pirating?" but "how do I make more people pay me?".

Netflix, Steam, OnLive and its peers, the humble bundles, Roku, Trent f*cking Reznor - all employ great business practices that benefit the user more than piracy does. They're run by people that understand that the digital age needs different business models. It blows my mind that we're in the year 2012, in the middle of the digital age and with quantum computers already in use, and we still make baby steps on issues like digital rentals, non-fixed pricing, p2p distribution and so on.

There is no single "better service solution". The entities I listed above all have radically different models, and they all have success. At this point it's clear that the business models of RIAA, major game publishers and every SOPA supporter are not good enough anymore. In an age where the consumer has as much power as the producer, the producer can't act like a monolithic entity anymore. It has to think outside the box. Of course some fail, miserbly even (Microsoft lol). But that is not a good reason to stop trying. The current generation simply won't accept these stagnating business models when they see examples of people doing something better for them in the same field.

As for CD Projekt, they made a lot of money from TW2. It was pirated - and it also sells much faster and without dropping the base price as much as the first game. IIRC right around the time their German piracy misadventures backfired, someone from GOG mentioned converted pirates bring more business than people that come from search engines.

You can't bring down torrent sites as long as there are no laws made specifically for that. You can't "interpret" current laws to bring them down because that sets up a dangerous precedent. And you can't make a torrent-killing law because torrents and torrent sites are not an "evil" technology - that's like banning cars because there are car accidents.

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[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

[QUOTE="GuitarPAaron"] They actually tried to move the date up at one point but it didn't go through I don't think. Congress has become so selfish and self centered that i'm almost embarrassed to live here. SOPA will be the death of the internet too. You better believe that gamespot won't make it long. There is a picture of the intel logo in your sig. There's some jail time. People will talk about games, but not have the written consent from the publisher to say that they found gears of war to be rather enjoyable, so all of gamespot will be taken down and the person who talked about the game will be jailed. DEMOCRACY :DGuitarPAaron



I don't think something as simple as an Intel logo in your signature would spark any sort of unwanted attention. I think once the bill passes we'll see that they'll be more focused on advertising things that contribute to piracy, or hosting copywrighted songs on Youtube. Things of that nature, and sites like Youtube will be a thing in the past for the most part. But something like Gamespot(who works with developers) wont suffer at all, and neither will you for an Nvidia or Intel signature. It's considered promoting if you do something like that, and the companies will embrace it.

I was slightly exaggerating ;)I'm just saying that if SOPA passes, i feel it will be exploited like there is no tomorrow, and that's frankly a bad thing for the internet and an even worse thing for free speech. I have a huge problem with the fact that there is little to no evidence needed.



Me too

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A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

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A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

toddx77

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

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[QUOTE="toddx77"]

A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

lil_d_mack_314

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

What do they get out of cencorsing us though? I know politicians are stupid, but there has to be some money making motive.

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[QUOTE="lil_d_mack_314"]

[QUOTE="toddx77"]

A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

toddx77

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

What do they get out of cencorsing us though? I know politicians are stupid, but there has to be some money making motive.

It's not about money, it's about control. Any Government wants as much control over it's people as possible. This has been the human way (unfortunately) since the Stone Age.
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[QUOTE="toddx77"]

A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

lil_d_mack_314

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

I thought you were serious but then I looked at your avatar and sig.

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[QUOTE="toddx77"]

A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

lil_d_mack_314

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

decreux

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#44 lil_d_mack_314
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[QUOTE="lil_d_mack_314"]

[QUOTE="toddx77"]

A part of me thinks we have brought this upon our selves, not me of coarse because I buy everything and don't pirate but there are so many people out there who download movies, music, and games for free because they don't want to spend money and think its ok because they are not physically going into a store and taking the product. I just think that if more people bought products instead of stealing them than companies would not be going to these drastic measures. At the same time though companies need to stop being so protective. I don't see anything from with a clip from a show or movie on youtube as its not taking money away and in a way it promotes the show. As for music I find it ironic how music vidoes get uploaded to the site and you can watch it for free but if another user uses the song the video gets taken down. I made a manga version of One Piece opening 14 and the music industry of japan took it down but I wasn't making any money from the song and if someone who didnt watch one piece saw it they might have been interested in the series.

Baranga

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

I thought you were serious but then I looked at your avatar and sig.

What does my avi and sig have to do with the US government trying to control and censor it's people?

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[QUOTE="toddx77"]

[QUOTE="lil_d_mack_314"]

This isn't really about "pirating". Their using that as an excuse to censor us. Censor something they don't own. Censor the American people. It's about control.

FelipeInside

What do they get out of cencorsing us though? I know politicians are stupid, but there has to be some money making motive.

It's not about money, it's about control. Any Government wants as much control over it's people as possible. This has been the human way (unfortunately) since the Stone Age.

So they just want to control the internet simply for the sake of having control? *sigh* this is I hate politcal people. The world government from one piece is starting to look good.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="toddx77"]

What do they get out of cencorsing us though? I know politicians are stupid, but there has to be some money making motive.

toddx77

It's not about money, it's about control. Any Government wants as much control over it's people as possible. This has been the human way (unfortunately) since the Stone Age.

So they just want to control the internet simply for the sake of having control? *sigh* this is I hate politcal people. The world government from one piece is starting to look good.

No simply for the sake, of course there is money involved and more importantly power.
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[QUOTE="SystemsGO"]

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Used sales of goods are socially acceptable due to centuries of doing it.

NailedGR



They're socially acceptable here in America above all places because we are capitalists. If there were a way someone could make from pirating games and have some of them be back ended to the Government for their own person profits then that too would be completely acceptable.

You are a stupid stupid person.

LOL!

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SOPA sounds so depressing. Why couldn't they take away my ex-girlfriend instead.
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[QUOTE="toddx77"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] It's not about money, it's about control. Any Government wants as much control over it's people as possible. This has been the human way (unfortunately) since the Stone Age.FelipeInside

So they just want to control the internet simply for the sake of having control? *sigh* this is I hate politcal people. The world government from one piece is starting to look good.

No simply for the sake, of course there is money involved and more importantly power.

Ok I don't know much about politics but 1. shouldn't we the people be voting on this? 2. Doesn't the president have to sign the bill to make it legal? I can't imagine Obama signing this since that would piss the youth off and he gets majority of his votes from them.

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="toddx77"]

So they just want to control the internet simply for the sake of having control? *sigh* this is I hate politcal people. The world government from one piece is starting to look good.

toddx77

No simply for the sake, of course there is money involved and more importantly power.

Ok I don't know much about politics but 1. shouldn't we the people be voting on this? 2. Doesn't the president have to sign the bill to make it legal? I can't imagine Obama signing this since that would piss the youth off and he gets majority of his votes from them.

not sure how much he cares about his "next" term if it even happens. :P