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#51 MacBoomStick
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[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"][QUOTE="bonafidetk"]Who is going to build a PC to use a half baked gaming OS.... Unless every game gets native Linux support then this whole idea is sorta pointless. I dont see that happening any time soon.bonafidetk
Who is going to buy a 3DS/PS4/etc? Unless EVERY game gets native 3DS/PS4/etc support then the whole idea is pointless.

The comparison is not valid.

How is it not valid? They are all platforms for games to made on.
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#52 PernicioEnigma
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This is simply absurd. Convert your fully functional PC to a half baked console experience. The very notion undermines the very purpose of playing games on a PC. But the drones will follow. :|

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Indeed. PC gamers will eat up anything Valve does it seems. This would be cool if more devs actually supported Linux.
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#53 PernicioEnigma
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[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"][QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="MacBoomStick"] Who is going to buy a 3DS/PS4/etc? Unless EVERY game gets native 3DS/PS4/etc support then the whole idea is pointless.

The comparison is not valid.

How is it not valid? They are all platforms for games to made on.

Pretty much every game you'd want to play on Linux can also be played on Windows, unlike consoles which have many great exclusives. So yes, the comparison is silly.
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#54 SKaREO
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Valve is starting to seem like a strange cult to me. Their drones follow them everywhere spouting their news on every forum in the world. They can never do wrong according to the fanatics. I mean, all the power to them, if they can convert a horde of PC gamers into another console race. I just don't see much coming out of all of this, it seems like a waste of time.
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#56 FelipeInside
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Valve is starting to seem like a strange cult to me. Their drones follow them everywhere spouting their news on every forum in the world. They can never do wrong according to the fanatics.SKaREO

You mean the same you do with console games and Rockstar...?

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#57 blangenakker
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Doesn't serve me in anyway so its not for me
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#59 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Mozuckint"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] A solution to what problem? All I see this being is a waste of time.

A) Not everyone wants to have a PC in a living room and B) Not everyone wants to spend time setting up a PC in a living room/moving back and forth whenever they do feel like playing them. It's a convenient solution. Is it the best? Most efficient? Of course not. 2 PC's needed to play games in the living room is all sorts of bleh. But again, I could care less. My wants are not of the steam-box, they are of native ports rather than a networked solution. Streaming can be ok over LAN, but Native will always trump it. That and as I stated, don't want to be put into a decision spot between one vs the community.

I get that, but who was honestly asking for this? buy another box just so you can stream your PC into the living room? it's practically throwing money out the window.

Not a single soul asked for Steam too all those years ago, in fact i remembered there was a uuge uproar against it but hey look at it now...
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#60 JigglyWiggly_
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Not talking about steam os but...
I waiting for the threads when users swap to Linux and then ask where the programs file location is
or how to install .deb files to a different location

 

There's too many things that are anoyying when swapping a desktop to Linux. I mean even if you set RAID options in your BIOS on intel/amd solutions Linux will ignore it and you have to use mdadm. It's more work, although the performance of mdadm might actually be better, especially for RAID 1. You get 2x the read speed, Intel's solution in Windows only gives you single disk performance.

 

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#61 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Not talking about steam os but... I waiting for the threads when users swap to Linux and then ask where the programs file location is or how to install .deb files to a different location

Or how to install Linux before all that...
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#62 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Not talking about steam os but... I waiting for the threads when users swap to Linux and then ask where the programs file location is or how to install .deb files to a different location

Or how to install Linux before all that...

installing Linux is very easy but I tried to help my friend over chat on how to install a windows iso to a usb in Linux since he didn't have a cd it was at least 2 hours because people can't read, and he still failed, and I couldn't remote in because telling someone to port forward is like brain surgery http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html he's dumb, but i don't expect a lot of people to be capable of reading instructions.
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#63 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Not talking about steam os but... I waiting for the threads when users swap to Linux and then ask where the programs file location is or how to install .deb files to a different location

Or how to install Linux before all that...

installing Linux is very easy but I tried to help my friend over chat on how to install a windows iso to a usb in Linux since he didn't have a cd it was at least 2 hours because people can't read, and he still failed, and I couldn't remote in because telling someone to port forward is like brain surgery http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html he's dumb, but i don't expect a lot of people to be capable of reading instructions.

Look like they have made it more mainstream now then. I remember Linux wasn't the easiest OS to install. (Red Hat Enterprise)
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#64 JigglyWiggly_
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all you do now is just put the disc in/usb and hit install or run live cd
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#65 Falconoffury
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What do you guys think the next two announcements will be about? I think one of them will be a new controller. I heard rumors that Valve was working on one.

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#66 kraken2109
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I wonder if it will improve game performance (assuming it's less resource intensive than windows)

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#67 MHzBurglar
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I can see a benefit to this, but also fear some major downsides.

Here's some areas for concern:

1) My first concern is that it's designed "for the livingroom".  Does this mean that if I were to install it on a normal gaming PC hooked up to a normal keyboard/mouse/monitor on a normal desk that I would get some half-baked super-zoomed-in low-dpi experience?  I hope that Valve will have a "desktop" and "tv" mode that caters to each setup type, akin to regular Steam vs big picture.

2) While I don't see them doing so, will Valve only permit games purchased through Steam to run on the platform?  Are they going to treat this OS like a consoles' interface that can only run "singed" code, or will they keep the open-ness of Linux and treat it like a normal OS that just happens to have the Steam client built-in as a core OS feature/service?

3) This OS could cause platform fragmentation for PC game development, leading to developers needing to split their time and resources making two PC versions of the same game (in addition to the two console versions they're likely already making) causing the overall product to suffer.  Either that, or they will need to pick-and-choose which OS they will support and either go Windows or SteamOS, effectively cutting off a portion of their PC audience who runs the platform that's getting snubbed.

4) Streaming games is well and good as a temporary solution, but Valve will absolutely need to find a way to get Windows apps to run natively or efficiently through emulation if they hope for this to be succedssful.  Nobody's going to want to dump their back-catalogue of Windows games... This isn't a console where you can just dump everything that came before and start anew every 5-7 years.  If people can't run Windows/DirectX games, they won't want to budge.  The WINE project would be a good place to start for Windows emulation, but through such emulation you won't get anywhere near the performance you would by just running the game natively on Windows.

5) Drivers, drivers, drivers.  Unless Valve has some plan to work with major gaming hardware manufacturers, specifically Nvidia and AMD, to entice them to develop better Linux drivers (or unless Valve can make their own that work well for the various hardware out there) this won't really take off.  NVidia's linux support is absolutely atrocious and AMD sucks at making drivers for ANY platform (though their Windows offerings aren't as terrible as of late.)  Hardware support has always been a pet peeve of mine with Linux, and I REFUSE to compile my own damn third party driver when the manufacturer should have made a decent one out of the gate.

 

There are some upsides to this though:

1) A dedicated gaming OS would be more efficient than Windows at running games natively developed for it.  Valve has hinted to as much on their teaser page that they've seen such results.  They can still make it a fully-fledged OS with all the bells and whistles of a Windows-class OS and ger such performance if they priortize the OS' processes and services properly to give the running game and its dependencies priortiy when a game is being played.

2) The streaming can be useful... in some cases.  Personally, I plan to upgrade my current rig and use my old parts to build a HTPC for the livingroom to act as a media player and couch-gaming solution with Big Picture Mode.  The streaming would allow me to use my new rig for processing the games and the older crappier hardware for displaying/control of the game to ensure that I don't have to take a huge graphical/performance hit when I game from the livingroom.  Not that my old hardware is -that- bad, but I could run games on high/max in both setups instead of just at my desk.

3) Having a free OS to throw on there instead of having to buy another copy of Windows or cheat the Microsoft automatic Activation/grace period to let me activate my current copy of Win7 twice helps a lot too.

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#68 Gears_0f_L0ve
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This isn't going to kill windows. It's a streaming solution. Not even close to killing windows, let alone in terms of software or application support. You need Native support before you even begin to think about numbering windows days. Windows isn't going away for a long time.

 

While, objectively Windows isn't going away for a long time,  my perspective is quite different.   The only thing I use windows for is browsing the web and playing games.   Seems like a lot of unused overhead if you ask me.  If steam OS is using linux you will get all basic OS functions plus its dedicated to steam services.  I would drop windows essentially.  I would assume Valve has created an experience other than steam on the OS, like skinning linux and providing web browsing and other basic features.

In addition to making a cheap livingroom steambox, I'll make an assumption that many gamers will replace their desktops+windows to desktops+steamOS as they use their Macbooks for their main computer anyway.

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#69 Toxic-Seahorse
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All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing.
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#70 Falconoffury
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The SteamOS will probably be decent on release, but nothing to go nuts over. The same can be said for the Steam platform 6 years ago. The future of the OS is what really interests me. This could be evolved into a great OS for desktop gaming. If this does happen, and Microsoft does nothing for PC gamers, this could surpass Windows eventually. This possibilities are interesting to ponder.

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#71 darkmoney52
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Doesn't seem too revolutionary to me, but that kind of home streaming is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. The ability to switch off between different TVs in the house (or even my laptop) to game on without dragging my desktop/hdmi cords all over the house would be great. But without more linux support, a streaming solution is all that OS will mean to me.

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#72 FelipeInside
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What about lag on the stream?
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#73 darkmoney52
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What about lag on the stream?FelipeInside
Well yeah hopefully they can do some tech magic to make the lag minimal. I'm hoping they wouldn't be making a big announcement if they didn't have it figured out.
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#74 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]What about lag on the stream?darkmoney52
Well yeah hopefully they can do some tech magic to make the lag minimal. I'm hoping they wouldn't be making a big announcement if they didn't have it figured out.

OnLive says hello.....lol....

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#75 Mozuckint
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[QUOTE="darkmoney52"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]What about lag on the stream?FelipeInside

Well yeah hopefully they can do some tech magic to make the lag minimal. I'm hoping they wouldn't be making a big announcement if they didn't have it figured out.

OnLive says hello.....lol....

Streaming over your own LAN network is nowhere near the same as streaming over/from a remote server. Lag should honestly be a minimal thing. But there's always that chance of course that other things may go awry, one never knows....
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#76 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="darkmoney52"] Well yeah hopefully they can do some tech magic to make the lag minimal. I'm hoping they wouldn't be making a big announcement if they didn't have it figured out.Mozuckint

OnLive says hello.....lol....

Streaming over your own LAN network is nowhere near the same as streaming over/from a remote server. Lag should honestly be a minimal thing. But there's always that chance of course that other things may go awry, one never knows....

I know....we just have to wait and see how it goes.
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Or how to install Linux before all that...

installing Linux is very easy but I tried to help my friend over chat on how to install a windows iso to a usb in Linux since he didn't have a cd it was at least 2 hours because people can't read, and he still failed, and I couldn't remote in because telling someone to port forward is like brain surgery http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html he's dumb, but i don't expect a lot of people to be capable of reading instructions.

Look like they have made it more mainstream now then. I remember Linux wasn't the easiest OS to install. (Red Hat Enterprise)

Some distros are still pretty difficult to install.
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#78 FelipeInside
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RELEVANT http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/09/24/steamos-the-pros-and-cons/
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#80 pelvist
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Ill definitely try it on one or both of my media PCs so I can stream Rocksmith from my gaming rig to one downstairs when the missis is in bed.

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#81 Mcspanky37
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Ill definitely try it on one or both of my media PCs so I can stream Rocksmith from my gaming rig to one downstairs when the missis is in bed.

pelvist
Streaming timing-sensitive games doesn't sound like a good idea to me
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#82 svenus97
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So, you can turn on your PC and start Steam, download SteamOS on your TV and have your games stream over to your TV? How would you control the games on your TV though?

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#83 skrat_01
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It's all really good and interesting news.

So, you can turn on your PC and start Steam, download SteamOS on your TV and have your games stream over to your TV? How would you control the games on your TV though?

svenus97
SteamOS is a Linux derivative, you could have a small streaming box dedicated to it (that Steambox) where your home Windows PC outputs games to it (think Big Picture mode), or a computer running SteamOS natively from it's own hardware Guess we will see how the OS functions once more details pop out.
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So, you can turn on your PC and start Steam, download SteamOS on your TV and have your games stream over to your TV? How would you control the games on your TV though?

svenus97
i think steamOS installs on a tiny pc connected to your TV, like a media PC, it won't install on your TV.
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I wonder if it will run on something tiny like a raspberry pie, that would be cool

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#86 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="nutcrackr"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Linux gaming market? Who uses Linux exclusively for gaming?FelipeInside
Not many, that's why there is so much potential for growth.

I've always wondered. Why do some people want Linux to grow in gaming if Windows does it already and perfectly fine? I'm all for products offering different things but Linux has always been the leader in top tier web servers and other type of servers, that's why it exists.

Any PC gamer should know that choice and competition are a good thing.  That, plus the philosophies behind Linux are quite forward thinking and a worthy cause to stand behind.

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#87 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]Not talking about steam os but... I waiting for the threads when users swap to Linux and then ask where the programs file location is or how to install .deb files to a different locationFelipeInside
Or how to install Linux before all that...

If these people can install Windows, then they can install Linux. If they buy a device with SteamOS on it, it should be just as easy to set up as Windows as well.

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#88 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Or how to install Linux before all that...FelipeInside
installing Linux is very easy but I tried to help my friend over chat on how to install a windows iso to a usb in Linux since he didn't have a cd it was at least 2 hours because people can't read, and he still failed, and I couldn't remote in because telling someone to port forward is like brain surgery http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html he's dumb, but i don't expect a lot of people to be capable of reading instructions.

Look like they have made it more mainstream now then. I remember Linux wasn't the easiest OS to install. (Red Hat Enterprise)

elementary OS, Manjaro, Mint, whatever. Easy. If you want a more difficult experience with lots of learning involved, go for Arch or Gentoo.

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#89 Hexagon_777
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I wonder if it will improve game performance (assuming it's less resource intensive than windows)

kraken2109

Valve already confirmed that Left 4 Dead 2 runs considerably better on Linux with OpenGL than on Windows with Direct3D. The order is:

1. Linux/OpenGL

2. Windows/OpenGL

3. Windows/Direct3D

We will probably see more of the above in the future, especially if Valve wants to convince more gamers to switch, particularly those hungering for more frames per second.

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#90 Toxic-Seahorse
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[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

I wonder if it will improve game performance (assuming it's less resource intensive than windows)

Hexagon_777

Valve already confirmed that Left 4 Dead 2 runs considerably better on Linux with OpenGL than on Windows with Direct3D. The order is:

1. Linux/OpenGL

2. Windows/OpenGL

3. Windows/Direct3D

We will probably see more of the above in the future, especially if Valve wants to convince more gamers to switch, particularly those hungering for more frames per second.

I'm not sure I'm buying that. if OpenGL is so much faster on even Windows, why isn't everyone using it to make games?

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#91 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

I wonder if it will improve game performance (assuming it's less resource intensive than windows)

Toxic-Seahorse

Valve already confirmed that Left 4 Dead 2 runs considerably better on Linux with OpenGL than on Windows with Direct3D. The order is:

1. Linux/OpenGL

2. Windows/OpenGL

3. Windows/Direct3D

We will probably see more of the above in the future, especially if Valve wants to convince more gamers to switch, particularly those hungering for more frames per second.

I'm not sure I'm buying that. if OpenGL is so much faster on even Windows, why isn't everyone using it to make games?

From my understanding, Direct3D is currently easier to use, and has been so for a few years, plus Microsoft "encouraged" folks to use Direct3D over OpenGL. I believe OpenGL also faced some other issues, but you'll have to do some reading on that as I am not sure.

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#92 Hexagon_777
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3) This OS could cause platform fragmentation for PC game development, leading to developers needing to split their time and resources making two PC versions of the same game (in addition to the two console versions they're likely already making) causing the overall product to suffer.  Either that, or they will need to pick-and-choose which OS they will support and either go Windows or SteamOS, effectively cutting off a portion of their PC audience who runs the platform that's getting snubbed.MHzBurglar

A number of developers are already developing for three platforms (Linux, Mac OS, and Windows) and are advising other developers to embrace OpenGL from the start for the sake of multiplatform support. What you describe is already happening, and without much issue at that. Those supporting Linux already will have no issue with supporting SteamOS.

5) Drivers, drivers, drivers.  Unless Valve has some plan to work with major gaming hardware manufacturers, specifically Nvidia and AMD, to entice them to develop better Linux drivers (or unless Valve can make their own that work well for the various hardware out there) this won't really take off.  NVidia's linux support is absolutely atrocious and AMD sucks at making drivers for ANY platform (though their Windows offerings aren't as terrible as of late.)  Hardware support has always been a pet peeve of mine with Linux, and I REFUSE to compile my own damn third party driver when the manufacturer should have made a decent one out of the gate.MHzBurglar

Nvidia's proprietary drivers for Linux are the best drivers for gaming on Linux as they deliver the same or better performance on Linux as on Windows, although they are not as feature rich yet. Intel's open source dirvers for Linux are great as well, and AMD's open source drivers are arguably better than its proprietary drivers currently, and will soon outpace them in all areas.

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#93 Hexagon_777
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All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing. Toxic-Seahorse
Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

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#94 Toxic-Seahorse
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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing. Hexagon_777

Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

That's not really what I'm talking about. Someone making games for all 3 is great. However, if they stop making games for one OS in support of another, that is cause for concern. I don't see any devs abandoning Windows anytime in the near future, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. We also don't know the full extent of the SteamOS. Can all the games made for the SteamOS be played on other versions of Linux?
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#95 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing. Toxic-Seahorse

Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

That's not really what I'm talking about. Someone making games for all 3 is great. However, if they stop making games for one OS in support of another, that is cause for concern. I don't see any devs abandoning Windows anytime in the near future, but that doesn't mean it's not possible. We also don't know the full extent of the SteamOS. Can all the games made for the SteamOS be played on other versions of Linux?

Yes. Valve only officially supports Ubuntu, but I can play DOTA2 on Manjaro which is based on Arch without a problem. Games run fine on Mint, openSUSE, whatever. Issues may pop up here and there, but those can be fixed, just like on Windows.

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#96 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing. Hexagon_777

Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

I'm all for choice but Toxic is right, we already get bad ports because of consoles.... imagine if developers now have to design for 3 desktop PC operating systems...
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#97 Kh1ndjal
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing. FelipeInside

Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

I'm all for choice but Toxic is right, we already get bad ports because of consoles.... imagine if developers now have to design for 3 desktop PC operating systems...

some developers already make buggy and poorly optimized games when they are developing for a single platform. some don't make perfectly good "ports" for all platforms. going multi-platform is not a valid excuse for buggy and unoptimized games.
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#98 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.Kh1ndjal
I'm all for choice but Toxic is right, we already get bad ports because of consoles.... imagine if developers now have to design for 3 desktop PC operating systems...

some developers already make buggy and poorly optimized games when they are developing for a single platform. some don't make perfectly good "ports" for all platforms. going multi-platform is not a valid excuse for buggy and unoptimized games.

Of course it's not an excuse, that wasn't my point.
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#99 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]All I see this doing to further fragmenting PC gaming, which can only be a bad thing. FelipeInside

Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

I'm all for choice but Toxic is right, we already get bad ports because of consoles.... imagine if developers now have to design for 3 desktop PC operating systems...

Which some have already been doing. In addition, Linux and Mac OS do not hamper with development like consoles do because of fixed, ancient hardware and different input methods.

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#100 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Fragmentation has already begun as more and more developers choose to support Linux and Mac OS as well.

Hexagon_777

I'm all for choice but Toxic is right, we already get bad ports because of consoles.... imagine if developers now have to design for 3 desktop PC operating systems...

Which some have already been doing. In addition, Linux and Mac OS do not hamper with development like consoles do because of fixed, ancient hardware and different input methods.

Keyword "some". Linux has barely game support, and the titles on Mac are mostly from big developers who can afford to code for both platforms. What I'm saying is in the case that Linux/Steam becomes super popular.