SWTOR, is it still a WoW challenger?

I noticed that problems of SWTOR are heading up,although it's still not released in China.

http://technorati.com/entertainment/gaming/article/how-and-why-star-wars-the1/

I do agree some of this guy's opinions.:(

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168878/Star_Wars_The_Old_Republic_sub_numbers_already_declining__analyst.php

I'm wondering whether it has a chance to stand against WoW around the world. 1.7 million is the peak?

I noticed that problems of SWTOR are heading up,although it's still not released in China.

http://technorati.com/entertainment/gaming/article/how-and-why-star-wars-the1/

I do agree some of this guy's opinions. I have to remove from my game list for a wow challenger! :(

CoS_Ethan

The guy is a dickhead! Look at this paragraph: 'Ausgamers gave it a 9.5, a 9.5 to a game which wasn't even released in Australia at the time. A game which was still not released in Australia at the time of this writing. A game they had no reason to even review other than that they wanted to. It's not hard to see why, with a huge EA logo and ad in their background at the time of this writing. Accurate reporting goes out the window when you are cashing paychecks from a publisher.' I, like many other Australians didn't want to have to wait until March/April to play this game. Therefore I, also like many other Australians, imported the game. There's no reason an Australian review site wouldn't review it! What a dumb thing to bring up to say why the game is 'failing'.Spike1988

I do think that guy knows nothing about Australian gamers, and it's too early to say the game is a failure, after all, it was released just one or two months ago.

$200 Million dollars, still cut corners on the engine. Led_poison

BioWare is a good game developer, but who knows what the hell is EA doing after the purchasing of BioWare.

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]$200 Million dollars, still cut corners on the engine. CoS_Ethan

BioWare is a good game developer, but who knows what the hell is EA doing after the purchasing of BioWare.

[QUOTE="Spike1988"]The guy is a dickhead! Look at this paragraph: 'Ausgamers gave it a 9.5, a 9.5 to a game which wasn't even released in Australia at the time. A game which was still not released in Australia at the time of this writing. A game they had no reason to even review other than that they wanted to. It's not hard to see why, with a huge EA logo and ad in their background at the time of this writing. Accurate reporting goes out the window when you are cashing paychecks from a publisher.' I, like many other Australians didn't want to have to wait until March/April to play this game. Therefore I, also like many other Australians, imported the game. There's no reason an Australian review site wouldn't review it! What a dumb thing to bring up to say why the game is 'failing'.CoS_Ethan

I do think that guy knows nothing about Australian gamers, and it's too early to say the game is a failure, after all, it was released just one or two months ago.

I won't get into all the disapointments ive had with SWTOR again because it's seriously getting old. They tried pulling something off and they had no idea what they were doing. That's the bottom line.

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="Spike1988"]The guy is a dickhead! Look at this paragraph: 'Ausgamers gave it a 9.5, a 9.5 to a game which wasn't even released in Australia at the time. A game which was still not released in Australia at the time of this writing. A game they had no reason to even review other than that they wanted to. It's not hard to see why, with a huge EA logo and ad in their background at the time of this writing. Accurate reporting goes out the window when you are cashing paychecks from a publisher.' I, like many other Australians didn't want to have to wait until March/April to play this game. Therefore I, also like many other Australians, imported the game. There's no reason an Australian review site wouldn't review it! What a dumb thing to bring up to say why the game is 'failing'.Prexxus

I do think that guy knows nothing about Australian gamers, and it's too early to say the game is a failure, after all, it was released just one or two months ago.

I won't get into all the disapointments ive had with SWTOR again because it's seriously getting old. They tried pulling something off and they had no idea what they were doing. That's the bottom line.

Obviously nope, I live in China.

It's a worse WoW seven years too late.

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

Elann2008

It never had a chance at challenging WOW. But it seems like a fairly successful MMORPG that it sold 1.5 million and might possibly hold a subscriber base of 500k-1mil.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

shakmaster13

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

TerrorRizzing

Half of that actually. WoW got to its first million a week before its european launch, was at three million by the time TBC launched and hit a stable 11 million halfway through TBC.

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

N30F3N1X

Half of that actually. WoW got to its first million a week before its european launch, was at three million by the time TBC launched and hit a stable 11 million halfway through TBC.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

Elann2008

Half of that actually. WoW got to its first million a week before its european launch, was at three million by the time TBC launched and hit a stable 11 million halfway through TBC.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Half of that actually. WoW got to its first million a week before its european launch, was at three million by the time TBC launched and hit a stable 11 million halfway through TBC.

TerrorRizzing

Pardon me, I said a week before its european launch, I meant a week before its european launch's first birthday, which is a year later than what I originally said.

And I remember it hit the 11 million mark something like 1.5-2 months after I left WoW for the first time, and that was december 2007.

Yes it is.

BTW Trion says they they've amassed a lot of their players from WoW. World of Warcraft is constantly getting challenged.

Was Greg Zeschuk really the man behind Warhammer Online as this guy says? I know Mythic merged with Bioware, but I always thought it was a whole separate team working on Warhammer. I would attribute Warhammer Online's problems with whoever was the leader designer of that at Mythic, not Greg Zeschuk.

Anyways, I don't think it's a challenger, but that doesn't mean it's a failure either. SWTOR will continue for a while being the only Star Wars MMO. I expect the population to stick to at least 500,000. A lot of people are bashing it, and their reasons are usually good, but I think there's a lot of people having fun that aren't posting anything.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] More like 2-3 years to hit the peak which I believe was its Vanilla days. In my eyes, those were the good times. :) Just my opinion though.Elann2008

Anyway, SWTOR is not a bad MMORPG, but the server numbers dropped quickly recently. I'm not sure when will be its peak period, but EA spent reportedly $500 million, it will be a shame if gamers massively quit the game. After all, WoW didn't cost that much money.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] The subscriber base peaked in Cataclysm, so you could say the first few months of Cata were the best.CoS_Ethan

Anyway, SWTOR is not a bad MMORPG, but the server numbers dropped quickly recently. I'm not sure when will be its peak period, but EA spent reportedly $500 million, it will be a shame if gamers massively quit the game. After all, WoW didn't cost that much money.

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Oh, sorry. I see what you guys mean. I guess I should have left that comment for someone else to respond since I quit after Burning Crusades. :)Elann2008

Anyway, SWTOR is not a bad MMORPG, but the server numbers dropped quickly recently. I'm not sure when will be its peak period, but EA spent reportedly $500 million, it will be a shame if gamers massively quit the game. After all, WoW didn't cost that much money.

[QUOTE="CoS_Ethan"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Oh, sorry. I see what you guys mean. I guess I should have left that comment for someone else to respond since I quit after Burning Crusades. :)Elann2008

Anyway, SWTOR is not a bad MMORPG, but the server numbers dropped quickly recently. I'm not sure when will be its peak period, but EA spent reportedly $500 million, it will be a shame if gamers massively quit the game. After all, WoW didn't cost that much money.

Yeah, and I don't like the subscription business model SWTOR is using, not attractive enough, I think subscription is coming to an end.

Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)Elann2008

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

Yes. MMOs are a marathon, not a sprint.

Before the game was released we could only speculate as with all the other MMOs that came before to "challange" WoW. Now after playing the game IMO Swtor doesn't stand a slightest chance. After release it became a sinking ship and believe it or not but on Jan 30 it actually sunk itself: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=252808noobzoer

Lol poor TC was bashed into oblivion :lol:

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)-wildflower-

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

Before the game was released we could only speculate as with all the other MMOs that came before to "challange" WoW. Now after playing the game IMO Swtor doesn't stand a slightest chance. After release it became a sinking ship and believe it or not but on Jan 30 it actually sunk itself: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=252808noobzoer

They need a barber shop. Just throwin' that out there

Yeah the game engine is terrible, it cant even handle 4 players fighting in Warzones without lagging like crap.V4LENT1NE

Really? That sucks....

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)-wildflower-

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)Elann2008

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)-wildflower-

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)Elann2008

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

[QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

-Unreal-

EA has a few games to publish this year, I think this is a bad start. I played the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur, to be honest, I have no interest buying it.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Imho, never was. But wishing SWTOR and EA/BioWare to fail is deafening to my ears. People's jobs are at stake. I might not like the game myself after a month and a half stint, but I'm sure many are enjoying it. Gotta be the diplomat tonight. :)shakmaster13

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

If somebody could please point out where, in this thread, I "bashed the game," said ToR was mediocre (I do think the game is amazingly average although I'm playing it and somewhat enjoying it...but I digress...) or where I said that people at Bioware should be fired over the game I will gladly stop posting here forever.

Ah, alas, you can't because I NEVER FREAKIN' SAID or even implied any of those things.

Actually, I went out of my way, knowing how bedazzled some people can get by the written language, to say, "I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job..."

Yes, priceless. :roll:

My whole point was, if something is mediocre and sells poorly (again, lest I ruffle more of those oh so delicate feathers, I am not talking specifically about any game) why should I care if those people lose their jobs? They obviously weren't very good at their job to begin with or they would have been more successful and most likely wouldn't be in the position of losing their job.

Do we now employ people out of pity? Do we all still get a ribbon for participation or do we need to show results?

I'd really hate to go to a surgeon who has killed 99% of his or her patients but hasn't been fired because, well, you know, we don't want anyone to lose his or her job. That would be sad.

And I'm the one who needs to grow up. :lol:

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

This argument is getting a little stale, too. Why should I care if people have jobs at stake? If you do your job well you will most likely keep it but, do it poorly, and you should lose it. Sorry, but rewarding mediocrity simply because "jobs are at stake" is foolishness.

I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job (well, except anyone who had anything to do with DA2).

-wildflower-

If somebody could please point out where, in this thread, I "bashed the game," said ToR was mediocre (I do think the game is amazingly average although I'm playing it and somewhat enjoying it...but I digress...) or where I said that people at Bioware should be fired over the game I will gladly stop posting here forever.

Ah, alas, you can't because I NEVER FREAKIN' SAID or even implied any of those things.

Actually, I went out of my way, knowing how bedazzled some people can get by the written language, to say, "I'm not saying anyone at Bioware should lose his or her job..."

Yes, priceless. :roll:

My whole point was, if something is mediocre and sells poorly (again, lest I ruffle more of those oh so delicate feathers, I am not talking specifically about any game) why should I care if those people lose their jobs? They obviously weren't very good at their job to begin with or they would have been more successful and most likely wouldn't be in the position of losing their job.

Do we now employ people out of pity? Do we all still get a ribbon for participation or do we need to show results?

I'd really hate to go to a surgeon who has killed 99% of his or her patients but hasn't been fired because, well, you know, we don't want anyone to lose his or her job. That would be sad.

And I'm the one who needs to grow up. :lol:

No, it's not. And in my opinion, it never was.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="TerrorRizzing"]

it takes a few years to get to wow levels, wow took 5-6 years to get to its peak.

CoS_Ethan

EA has a few games to publish this year, I think this is a bad start. I played the demo of Kingdoms of Amalur, to be honest, I have no interest buying it.