this is for you all you vista haters, im calling you out!

lol

even i had problems with customer service of m$, its requirements are enough for me to hate new vista. and its fake visuals are nothing compared to Linux's XGL and Mac

watch these videos if you want

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6kd42jIaHk

its expensive, there is not enough games exclusive yet so why bother ?

but sadly, to play pc games i need a windows os, so i'll continue to use xp for games.

Vista has nothing new, that's USEFUL and that couldn't have come to Windows XP (like DirectX 10, which will probably be cracked anyway). All the stupid protection-crap, Vista has is a big turn-off to. DRM, I think it's called, and other things. And who really needs some new animation for Minimize Window.

The other thing is the requirements; why use over 1GB Ram to run Vista, when you can run run TinyXP with a silly 50MB Ram?

Sorry, I am kinda tired.

I think vista looks good...

Its just terrible for games :(
ajc_176

Bingo. And with that stupid administrator access that makes sure you authorize EVERYTHING!

I've uninstalled Vista and switched back to XP until they make it better for games and less annoying as mentioned above.

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

Vista has nothing new, that's USEFUL and that couldn't have come to Windows XP (like DirectX 10, which will probably be cracked anyway). All the stupid protection-crap, Vista has is a big turn-off to. DRM, I think it's called, and other things. And who really needs some new animation for Minimize Window.

The other thing is the requirements; why use over 1GB Ram to run Vista, when you can run run TinyXP with a silly 50MB Ram?

Sorry, I am kinda tired.

Misterhamper

It uses that much RAM? Wow, I never knew that. It will be a while until I get Vista then

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love her she is just perfect

i wont bother with vista im just hoping they release xsos v3 by gen 2 dx 10 cards, its like win 95 with all the support to make 99.9% of win programs work that work with xp and vista

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

Dont be so sure. XP had problems too, but the deal with xp was that we needed a new great OS after the ME disaster. Now we have a great OS, and we dont need a new one. Therefor no need to change OS for a small improvement in direct x 10, which current consoles dont run and consoles are sadly where the money machine in gaming is now. So for a money perspective, it dosnt make sence to make a full blown dx 10 pc game now, when they properly wanna port most pc games to consoles.

[QUOTE="ajc_176"]I think vista looks good...

Its just terrible for games :(
iMuffins

Bingo. And with that stupid administrator access that makes sure you authorize EVERYTHING!

I've uninstalled Vista and switched back to XP until they make it better for games and less annoying as mentioned above.

I Agree Vista is an ok OS but very bad for games I cant run over half of my PC games luckily I can run my good ones but I'll be sticking to it for a bit longer

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

mimic-Denmark

Dont be so sure. XP had problems too, but the deal with xp was that we needed a new great OS after the ME disaster. Now we have a great OS, and we dont need a new one. Therefor no need to change OS for a small improvement in direct x 10, which current consoles dont run and consoles are sadly where the money machine in gaming is now. So for a money perspective, it dosnt make sence to make a full blown dx 10 pc game now, when they properly wanna port most pc games to consoles.

mmk no crysis for u then.

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

But im guessing 98% of that 90 will not have actuly paied for it...

[QUOTE="mimic-Denmark"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

Dont be so sure. XP had problems too, but the deal with xp was that we needed a new great OS after the ME disaster. Now we have a great OS, and we dont need a new one. Therefor no need to change OS for a small improvement in direct x 10, which current consoles dont run and consoles are sadly where the money machine in gaming is now. So for a money perspective, it dosnt make sence to make a full blown dx 10 pc game now, when they properly wanna port most pc games to consoles.

mmk no crysis for u then.

Crysis is not a full blown dx 10 title, it has dx 10 effects, but will run great on xp too, and according to crytek if you have a great dx 9 rig then the game wont look that much different on an dx 10 rig.

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"][QUOTE="mimic-Denmark"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

mimic-Denmark

Dont be so sure. XP had problems too, but the deal with xp was that we needed a new great OS after the ME disaster. Now we have a great OS, and we dont need a new one. Therefor no need to change OS for a small improvement in direct x 10, which current consoles dont run and consoles are sadly where the money machine in gaming is now. So for a money perspective, it dosnt make sence to make a full blown dx 10 pc game now, when they properly wanna port most pc games to consoles.

mmk no crysis for u then.

Crysis is not a full blown dx 10 title, it has dx 10 effects, but will run great on xp too, and according to crytek if you have a great dx 9 rig then the game wont look that much different on an dx 10 rig.

it will look differnt though ;)

btw i do not have vista yet.

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"][QUOTE="mimic-Denmark"][QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

mimic-Denmark

Dont be so sure. XP had problems too, but the deal with xp was that we needed a new great OS after the ME disaster. Now we have a great OS, and we dont need a new one. Therefor no need to change OS for a small improvement in direct x 10, which current consoles dont run and consoles are sadly where the money machine in gaming is now. So for a money perspective, it dosnt make sence to make a full blown dx 10 pc game now, when they properly wanna port most pc games to consoles.

mmk no crysis for u then.

Crysis is not a full blown dx 10 title, it has dx 10 effects, but will run great on xp too, and according to crytek if you have a great dx 9 rig then the game wont look that much different on an dx 10 rig.

ERm wernt they having a seperate Multiplayer Mode for Dx 10 users, due to echances in Physics/gameplay? These 2 "ROUMOURS" contradict.

Vista isn't that bad, alot better than I expected. No problem with performance, and it's compatibility is amazingly good (alot better than XP at release). I've had no problems running games both new and very old, works extremely well (Vista Ultimate x64).

Maybe success is somewhat dependent on hardware, but they better not monkey with (ruin) things in a service pack.

If you have XP, are happy, and aren't interested in the Vista only games (Halo 2, Shadowrun), stick with XP a while longer. If you are building a new machine, I can't see why anyone would NOT go with Vista :D

Anyway, those videos of Linux Ubuntu Beryl look very cool! Thumbs up

People hate it because it barely adds anything new, is a requirement-whore, protects you violently, and gives poorer performance in games and more importantly regular, averge, tasks.

I will move to Vista one day, and I don't hate it (hatred is for Rtrds), but meanwhile it's the best to stay with XP. Vista has way too many annoying issues that it's really not worth bothering switching to it. Later, SP1 maybe, and when I'll really want the DX10, I'll move to it.

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

gamerchris810

.. That has nothing to do with hating Vista, Microsoft has forced people to go to Vista if they want DX10..

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]

Give it a year max and i bet 90% of vista haters will have vista.

:)

Death_Masta187

But im guessing 98% of that 90 will not have actuly paied for it...

lol

Here is the low down. Vista is a great Operating System, however it gets a bad wrap for a multitude of reasons. When it first come out, driver support was awful; so getting your hardware to run optimally was very unlikely. This of course meant many games wouldn't run on it and if they did, they would run poorly. This was also partially due to companies like nVidia not releasing working drivers soon enough; so the blame shouldn't all be put on Microsoft.

Over the past few months, I would say, since March; driver support has come a long way and most people have been running Vista fine. The current state of Vista is: if you know what you are doing, then you can have your games run almost as good as they run on XP. In other words, if you build your PC by yourself or upgraded to Vista from XP -- then you better not be a noob. If however you buy a new PC with Vista installed from a decent company, you will be fine.

By the end of the year, Vista driver support will be where it should be and we will start seeing games running faster on Vista then they run on XP. This of course is inevitable given the superior software engineering of the new DX architecture.

So, yes, Vista is a gaming Operating System.

(PS For those of you who keep mentioning that Vista uses up your RAM. This point is moot considering when a game is launched, most of this memory is cleared for the game. The reason you see Vista use up 50% of your memory when it is running normally is because it is running SuperFetch - an amazing tool that figured out what programs you use the most, and queues them up in memory, so they almost immediatly when you execute them)

Here is the low down. Vista is a great Operating System, however it gets a bad wrap for a multitude of reasons. When it first come out, driver support was awful; so getting your hardware to run optimally was very unlikely. This of course meant many games wouldn't run on it and if they did, they would run poorly. This was also partially due to companies like nVidia not releasing working drivers soon enough; so the blame shouldn't all be put on Microsoft.

Over the past few months, I would say, since March; driver support has come a long way and most people have been running Vista fine. The current state of Vista is: if you know what you are doing, then you can have your games run almost as good as they run on XP. In other words, if you build your PC by yourself or upgraded to Vista from XP -- then you better not be a noob. If however you buy a new PC with Vista installed from a decent company, you will be fine.

By the end of the year, Vista driver support will be where it should be and we will start seeing games running faster on Vista then they run on XP. This of course is inevitable given the superior software engineering of the new DX architecture.

So, yes, Vista is a gaming Operating System.

(PS For those of you who keep mentioning that Vista uses up your RAM. This point is moot considering when a game is launched, most of this memory is cleared for the game. The reason you see Vista use up 50% of your memory when it is running normally is because it is running SuperFetch - an amazing tool that figured out what programs you use the most, and queues them up in memory, so they almost immediatly when you execute them)

rimnet00

That pretty much sums it up perfectly.

If you know what you are doing, and your PC isnt THAT old (3 years or older) you shouldnt have much problems with vista imo.

No one has mentioned the fact that M$ is going to try and start charging us to play games online aka windows live.kilaan

I just built a new DX10 rig and I'm loving Vista. Granted, there isn't much in the way of DX10 support right now, but it's coming. I have no compatibility problems and it runs like lightning. Or, a really fast running... person.

I can guarantee that 75% of Vista haters have never even SEEN Vista running, 20% of the haters were beta testers that have never tried the retail version, and the other 5% of Vista haters have had genuine problems or simply REQUIRE XP to do their job, etc.

allright all you vista haters explain once and for all why you hate vista, think of the improvements Microsoft has made for vista,take that in mind when you write on this board. I challenge you!jbox1992

The only reason why I buy Windows PCs is because Windows is compatible with the most games. Vista is compatible with far fewer games than XP. If game compatibility was not the main issue, I might as well go with a Mac OS-- an elegant OS with good features, fewer viruses. and boot camp.

I just built a new DX10 rig and I'm loving Vista. Granted, there isn't much in the way of DX10 support right now, but it's coming. I have no compatibility problems and it runs like lightning. Or, a really fast running... person.

I can guarantee that 75% of Vista haters have never even SEEN Vista running, 20% of the haters were beta testers that have never tried the retail version, and the other 5% of Vista haters have had genuine problems or simply REQUIRE XP to do their job, etc.

Zeke129

You forgot to add "people who don't know how to install drivers properly". :P

I just built a new DX10 rig and I'm loving Vista. Granted, there isn't much in the way of DX10 support right now, but it's coming. I have no compatibility problems and it runs like lightning. Or, a really fast running... person.

I can guarantee that 75% of Vista haters have never even SEEN Vista running, 20% of the haters were beta testers that have never tried the retail version, and the other 5% of Vista haters have had genuine problems or simply REQUIRE XP to do their job, etc.

Zeke129

Hahaha I like that. The beta sucked and I have a Retail version and I'm still not a fan