Total biscuit sums up the dark souls gfwl thing.

His voice bugs me.

All this hate for Dark souls with GFWL is stupid. It's not THAT bad. For a userbase that demanded the game come to their system and then to b!tch about it like this is ridiculous. get over it and stop sounding so entitled. They didn't even have to bring it to PC in the first place

seanmcloughlin

We should show the developers that bringing their games to the PC can be profitable, GFWL or not.

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]Dude (unreal) what is your issue with him. The hate is pathological.I like him. Kell_the_Gamer

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

All this hate for Dark souls with GFWL is stupid. It's not THAT bad. For a userbase that demanded the game come to their system and then to b!tch about it like this is ridiculous. get over it and stop sounding so entitled. They didn't even have to bring it to PC in the first place

Kell_the_Gamer

I watch TB's videos on occasion. He is a well-known commentator on the PC scene, and while he may sound somewhat patronizing, I doubt that is his intention.

Not a big fan of his videos, but I do watch them whenever I want to learn something that I might want to play.

[QUOTE="Kell_the_Gamer"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

All this hate for Dark souls with GFWL is stupid. It's not THAT bad. For a userbase that demanded the game come to their system and then to b!tch about it like this is ridiculous. get over it and stop sounding so entitled. They didn't even have to bring it to PC in the first place

kris9031998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6p8qz6wv8M

summary and thoughts : I intend to buy dark souls, even with gfwl. TB made a good point in that, yes, gfwl sucks, yes it has issues, but he still intends to buy the game because FROM software are doing their best with what they have. Why spend time and money to rewrite netcode when you have a system already in place to make a port easier. If the game does well enough, there is a good chance that their next game will be tailored to easily acceptable pc standards.

edit: Reading some posts, I think a lot of people misunderstood the whole gfwl and steam thing. The game WILL be sold on steam, but it WILL require a gfwl account and stuff.

omenodebander

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

I'm not watching any of that asshat's videos. Only reason he became popular is because he put out videos in volumes rather than quality.

Am_Confucius

Pssssssssssssst Ill tell you a secret but dont pass it on ok? UNREAL IS A TROLL, DONT FEED HIM. Remember I said nothing.

[QUOTE="Kell_the_Gamer"][QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]Dude (unreal) what is your issue with him. The hate is pathological.I like him. SkyWard20

Never had a problem with GFWL, and most people complaining probably havent either, they are just following other people and finding something to whine about. Thats the worst thing about PC gaming, people cry for nothing...V4LENT1NE

Never had a problem with GFWL, and most people complaining probably havent either, they are just following other people and finding something to whine about. Thats the worst thing about PC gaming, people cry for nothing...V4LENT1NE

Never had a problem with GFWL, and most people complaining probably havent either, they are just following other people and finding something to whine about. Thats the worst thing about PC gaming, people cry for nothing...V4LENT1NE

I'm not watching any of that asshat's videos. Only reason he became popular is because he put out videos in volumes rather than quality.

-Unreal-

His videos are pretty good. I like his mailbox vids.

Thanks for posting, I generally watch the mailbox everday (or everyday he posts). I think TB has some similar views to mine and I'm glad he explained what he believes is the reasoning for this game being on GFWL. I personally don't like using GFWL but haven't had any real issues with it and it own't prevent me from buying a game.

The only thing he's done that I think is a good idea is his "WTF is..." series. I like the idea, but his execution of it sucks. Instead of doing episodes of it on things people might not know much about, he just does it on games. Example "WTF is Guild Wars 2?" Wow, so creative.

Here's a better example:

"WTF is...Battlefield 3 ? Singleplayer Campaign"

So creative in the use of that title.

He reminds me a bit of a guy called WoWHobbs. People that gain popularity on youtube when their videos are either plain crap or just uncreative.

-Unreal-

Never had a problem with GFWL, and most people complaining probably havent either, they are just following other people and finding something to whine about. Thats the worst thing about PC gaming, people cry for nothing...V4LENT1NE

Real evidence right here. Who could argue facts like these ?

Even worse about PC gaming is people like you accusing people who have actual complaints against GFWL based on absolutely nothing. But because you haven't had any problems you can't relate, well I can. I've had lots of problems, GFWL is a terrible service.

Talk about whining over nothing, you haven't got a clue what you are talking about do you ?

You really think so many would complain if GFWL was actually a decent service ?

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Never had a problem with GFWL, and most people complaining probably havent either, they are just following other people and finding something to whine about. Thats the worst thing about PC gaming, people cry for nothing...Am_Confucius

I have these problems so everyone else has them too.

We should support Dark Souls even if it uses GFWL. Baby steps here people. Soon they will learn the glorious ways of Steam. nutcrackr

We should support Dark Souls even if it uses GFWL. Baby steps here people. Soon they will learn the glorious ways of Steam. nutcrackr

Mods, may I request a lock on this topic. Can't get a good discussion here, so it might as well be closed. I am not posting in this thread anymore.

omenodebander

Total Biscuit is awesome. I give him partial credit for Dark Souls even coming to PC since he did a whole video about it and that hundreds of thousands of views and most likely contributed a lot of signatures to the petition

We should support Dark Souls even if it uses GFWL. Baby steps here people. Soon they will learn the glorious ways of Steam. nutcrackr

Why? Why should people support something they are unhappy about? PC gamers (or any gamer, customer, for that matter) shouldn't have to jump through hoops and accept anything. We are paying our hard earned money for a product and we should get what we want, everything we want. The companies are the ones who should be trying to please us and not the other way around.

Some of you would make terrible consumer advocates.:)

On a separate note: I also wonder how many of you saying, "GFWL is fine," have been indoctrinated by Micro$oft and their DreckBox? And if it's such a wonderful system, why have so many PC developers abandoned it? Obsidian dumped it for New Vegas, Relic dumped it for Warhammer, etc. I've had problems with GFWL and I know I'm not the only one.

Now I understand why Valve is thinking about creating a Steam console, all the f*cking Steam drones out there.SaltyMeatballs

Everytime I see a thread about GFWL, it's always full of lies and people coming up with obscur issues that everyone is supposed to have had but I've never heard of while playing the game. I think it's just something people like to b!t(h cause they don't like MS, but are forced to play on PC cause no other o/s can play games like it does.masterdrat

[QUOTE="masterdrat"]Everytime I see a thread about GFWL, it's always full of lies and people coming up with obscur issues that everyone is supposed to have had but I've never heard of while playing the game. I think it's just something people like to b!t(h cause they don't like MS, but are forced to play on PC cause no other o/s can play games like it does.Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="masterdrat"]Everytime I see a thread about GFWL, it's always full of lies and people coming up with obscur issues that everyone is supposed to have had but I've never heard of while playing the game. I think it's just something people like to b!t(h cause they don't like MS, but are forced to play on PC cause no other o/s can play games like it does.masterdrat

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="masterdrat"]Everytime I see a thread about GFWL, it's always full of lies and people coming up with obscur issues that everyone is supposed to have had but I've never heard of while playing the game. I think it's just something people like to b!t(h cause they don't like MS, but are forced to play on PC cause no other o/s can play games like it does.masterdrat

i dont understand why everyone treats this guy like his word is law.yellosnolvr

i dont understand why everyone treats this guy like his word is law.yellosnolvr

[QUOTE="yellosnolvr"]i dont understand why everyone treats this guy like his word is law.Am_Confucius

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]We should support Dark Souls even if it uses GFWL. Baby steps here people. Soon they will learn the glorious ways of Steam. -wildflower-

Why? Why should people support something they are unhappy about? PC gamers (or any gamer, customer, for that matter) shouldn't have to jump through hoops and accept anything. We are paying our hard earned money for a product and we should get what we want, everything we want. The companies are the ones who should be trying to please us and not the other way around.

IF GFWL makes you that unhappy then by all means, don't buy the game. You're free to think companies whose games you haven't bought owe you and demand perfection just as anyone else, while not in love with GFWL, is free to not let themselves be bothered by it.

You can't demand that people be unhappy with something just as anyone can't demand that you buy something. That's equally terrible 'consumer advocacy'.

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

[QUOTE="yellosnolvr"]i dont understand why everyone treats this guy like his word is law.yellosnolvr

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

ultrapc

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

ultrapc

Thank you! pretty much summed up the reason I posted the link. Day 1 buy for me as soon as it's available for preorder.

GFWL may be a poor platform, but it seems to be the only way they can port the game to PC in time. It's not like they've been given unlimited man power and resources to re-code and whatever else they must do to be able to stick the game elsewhere than GFWL, it must have been a tough decision to even decide to port the game onto PC.