Total biscuit sums up the dark souls gfwl thing.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="Kell_the_Gamer"] Unreal is a huge World of Warcraft fanboy, TB got popular because he got into the Cata closed beta and was one of the few that did videos of it. After cata launched he turned into a hater of WoW and constantly attacked WoW for being casual and what not, which is Unreal's ultimate rage button.Raxzor

Pretty much this...

I am not aware of anyone out there...blogger,youtuber or gamecritic,to be more to the point than TB...

For all of you that dont like TB(for whatever the reason that might be) name another person who is more onest more to the point than TB is...name someone...

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]We should support Dark Souls even if it uses GFWL. Baby steps here people. Soon they will learn the glorious ways of Steam. SkyWard20

Why? Why should people support something they are unhappy about? PC gamers (or any gamer, customer, for that matter) shouldn't have to jump through hoops and accept anything. We are paying our hard earned money for a product and we should get what we want, everything we want. The companies are the ones who should be trying to please us and not the other way around.

IF GFWL makes you that unhappy then by all means, don't buy the game. You're free to think companies whose games you haven't bought owe you and demand perfection just as anyone else, while not in love with GFWL, is free to not let themselves be bothered by it.

You can't demand that people be unhappy with something just as anyone can't demand that you buy something. That's equally terrible 'consumer advocacy'.

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

Total Biscuit is a dick.

stupid little console action-jrpg

-wildflower-

Total Biscuit is a dick.

Baranga

He was a bit overboard, but not unjustified. He was able to tell pretty much what anyone would like to tell the PR department for an obvious disregard to functionality in a game.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Why? Why should people support something they are unhappy about? PC gamers (or any gamer, customer, for that matter) shouldn't have to jump through hoops and accept anything. We are paying our hard earned money for a product and we should get what we want, everything we want. The companies are the ones who should be trying to please us and not the other way around.

-wildflower-

IF GFWL makes you that unhappy then by all means, don't buy the game. You're free to think companies whose games you haven't bought owe you and demand perfection just as anyone else, while not in love with GFWL, is free to not let themselves be bothered by it.

You can't demand that people be unhappy with something just as anyone can't demand that you buy something. That's equally terrible 'consumer advocacy'.

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

Grow up.

No one has that attitude or sees it that way, your PoV is warped with pointless negativity.

Total Biscuit is a dick.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

stupid little console action-jrpg

Baranga

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

ultrapc

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

Yeap. I'm buying this game two times on PC. I'm not a fan of Games for Windows LIVE, but Namco is taking a big risk releasing this game on PC.

Show that a market for these games are on PC and hope that their next game is released on PC at the same time as the console versions. And with them having the knowledge that their is indeed a good market over here, we will get a more PC friendly version.

Hexagon_777

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

All this hate for Dark souls with GFWL is stupid. It's not THAT bad. For a userbase that demanded the game come to their system and then to b!tch about it like this is ridiculous. get over it and stop sounding so entitled. They didn't even have to bring it to PC in the first place

kris9031998

QFT

i remember playing GeoW on PC(don't ask why), and then i reached the final level of the game.

then, the next day, when i intended to(finally), finish it.... the save file was gone.

Nothing, no problem, no notice, no virus, just... Gone.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Total Biscuit is a dick.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

stupid little console action-jrpg

Am_Confucius

He's still a dick.

"@dahanese so please forgive me if I don't take what you've said seriously, you are just doing your job but I know your history"

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Baranga

He's still a dick.

"@dahanese so please forgive me if I don't take what you've said seriously, you are just doing your job but I know your history"

He's a dick for telling to that PR what every single one of us who bought that game would of said???

You are one of the reason we get bad port...u dont give a **** you are against people who actually know what they are talking about and do something...Thanks to him we got FOV slider in that game...thanks to you we have...oh...uhmmm...yeah stupid comments on GS...So if we are to put that in balance whos the dick here?You who never done anything in his life for the gaming community or someone who actually did something?

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

IF GFWL makes you that unhappy then by all means, don't buy the game. You're free to think companies whose games you haven't bought owe you and demand perfection just as anyone else, while not in love with GFWL, is free to not let themselves be bothered by it.

You can't demand that people be unhappy with something just as anyone can't demand that you buy something. That's equally terrible 'consumer advocacy'.

cyborg100000

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

Grow up.

No one has that attitude or sees it that way, your PoV is warped with pointless negativity.

Oh, I'm sorry. What I meant to say was, this super cool new game that's like all original and hardcore and stuff. I'm getting a little damp just thinking about it. Is that better?

And, yes, that is exactly the attitude displayed by people who tell other people to suck it up and buy something they are unhappy with.

He's still a dick.

"@dahanese so please forgive me if I don't take what you've said seriously, you are just doing your job but I know your history"

Baranga

He's a dick for telling to that PR what every single one of us who bought that game would of said???

You are one of the reason we get bad port...u dont give a **** you are against people who actually know what they are talking about and do something...Thanks to him we got FOV slider in that game...thanks to you we have...oh...uhmmm...yeah stupid comments on GS...So if we are to put that in balance whos the dick here?You who never done anything in his life for the gaming community or someone who actually did something?

rhazzy

No, he's a dick for attacking the community manager of 2K. He could've been a nice chap about it and be polite like she was but instead he raged online like a douche. He's a pompous arse and should be called out for it. It's awful that people cheer and encourage such behaviour. The end doesn't justify the means in this case, far from it.

Maybe it makes more sense if you know what this "history" is about. I have no idea.

Am_Confucius

There is no history. Elizabeth is the community manager of 2K. Since the first Bioshock she's a great buffer between the community and the developers.

If you say so.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Why? Why should people support something they are unhappy about? PC gamers (or any gamer, customer, for that matter) shouldn't have to jump through hoops and accept anything. We are paying our hard earned money for a product and we should get what we want, everything we want. The companies are the ones who should be trying to please us and not the other way around.

-wildflower-

IF GFWL makes you that unhappy then by all means, don't buy the game. You're free to think companies whose games you haven't bought owe you and demand perfection just as anyone else, while not in love with GFWL, is free to not let themselves be bothered by it.

You can't demand that people be unhappy with something just as anyone can't demand that you buy something. That's equally terrible 'consumer advocacy'.

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

Is it so impossible for you to believe that people might want a business to do well?

Making it so hard for yourself to understand that some people like to give their money to a business or service, want it to do well because they see them as people who are good at their jobs and deserve to be successful, just makes you look like a stereotypical American customer. The world doesn't revolve around your dollar or wallet.

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

He's a dick for telling to that PR what every single one of us who bought that game would of said???

You are one of the reason we get bad port...u dont give a **** you are against people who actually know what they are talking about and do something...Thanks to him we got FOV slider in that game...thanks to you we have...oh...uhmmm...yeah stupid comments on GS...So if we are to put that in balance whos the dick here?You who never done anything in his life for the gaming community or someone who actually did something?

Baranga

No, he's a dick for attacking the community manager of 2K. He could've been a nice chap about it and be polite like she was but instead he raged online like a douche. He's a pompous arse and should be called out for it. It's awful that people cheer and encourage such behaviour. The end doesn't justify the means in this case, far from it.

Maybe it makes more sense if you know what this "history" is about. I have no idea.

Am_Confucius

There is no history. Elizabeth is the community manager of 2K. Since the first Bioshock she's a great buffer between the community and the developers.

[QUOTE="cyborg100000"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

-wildflower-

Grow up.

No one has that attitude or sees it that way, your PoV is warped with pointless negativity.

Oh, I'm sorry. What I meant to say was, this super cool new game that's like all original and hardcore and stuff. I'm getting a little damp just thinking about it. Is that better?

And, yes, that is exactly the attitude displayed by people who tell other people to suck it up and buy something they are unhappy with.

Only you could translate a thread where people recommend a game despite GFWL, as telling others to 'suck it up and buy something they don't like'.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

IF GFWL makes you that unhappy then by all means, don't buy the game. You're free to think companies whose games you haven't bought owe you and demand perfection just as anyone else, while not in love with GFWL, is free to not let themselves be bothered by it.

You can't demand that people be unhappy with something just as anyone can't demand that you buy something. That's equally terrible 'consumer advocacy'.

SkyWard20

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

Is it so impossible for you to believe that people might want a business to do well?

Making it so hard for yourself to understand that some people like to give their money to a business or service, want it to do well because they see them as people who are good at their jobs and deserve to be successful, just makes you look like a stereotypical American customer. The world doesn't revolve around your dollar or wallet.

My god, you can't possibly be that thick. I never said, implied, inferred, etc., that anything revolved around my wallet, tastes, or wants (so on and so forth). All I said was that people should shut the frack up about telling others what games they should but and what compromises they should have to make. That's it. End of story.

Oh, and you remind me a lot of the soft and fragile American right wing who find outrage and controversy in damn near everything. You'd make a fine Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter, Jabby.

[QUOTE="rhazzy"]

He's a dick for telling to that PR what every single one of us who bought that game would of said???

You are one of the reason we get bad port...u dont give a **** you are against people who actually know what they are talking about and do something...Thanks to him we got FOV slider in that game...thanks to you we have...oh...uhmmm...yeah stupid comments on GS...So if we are to put that in balance whos the dick here?You who never done anything in his life for the gaming community or someone who actually did something?

Baranga

No, he's a dick for attacking the community manager of 2K. He could've been a nice chap about it and be polite like she was but instead he raged online like a douche. He's a pompous arse and should be called out for it. It's awful that people cheer and encourage such behaviour. The end doesn't justify the means in this case, far from it.

Maybe it makes more sense if you know what this "history" is about. I have no idea.

Am_Confucius

There is no history. Elizabeth is the community manager of 2K. Since the first Bioshock she's a great buffer between the community and the developers.

Dude get the f* over urself...He payed for that game...and he asked for an FOV option/slider because some people get headache from low FOV...SHE LIED...AGAIN SHE LIED...saying that is not possible...She deserves much worse...

And dont be such a p*** "attacked the community manager"...are you hearing urself???He requested for a thing that should of been in the game from the very first place...and SHE FREAKINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG LIED about it saying that is not possible...He should of called her a fat B*** and that wouldnt be called "attacking" either...grow some freaking balls dude...

MODS CAN YOU PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD ALREADY?

I don't hate him, I just dislike him. I don't know him personally, apparently he's a troll that was banned from the WoW forums years ago and was unbanned then banned again. He's apparently the only person to have been unbanned on there. That's not the reason I dislike him though. I just find him a fat obnoxious tea sipper who's popular for posting a crapload of videos of content many people wanted to see on youtube. He's done nothing substantial or interesting, yet I see his name frequenting various forums and discussions.-Unreal-

Nice paradox there.

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omenodebander

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

And where did I "demand that people be unhappy" with the game? I didn't. I couldn't care less about this stupid little console action-jrpg, GFWL, or not. I'm just tired of the, "we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money" attitude.

-wildflower-

Is it so impossible for you to believe that people might want a business to do well?

Making it so hard for yourself to understand that some people like to give their money to a business or service, want it to do well because they see them as people who are good at their jobs and deserve to be successful, just makes you look like a stereotypical American customer. The world doesn't revolve around your dollar or wallet.

My god, you can't possibly be that thick. I never said, implied, inferred, etc., that anything revolved around my wallet, tastes, or wants (so on and so forth). All I said was that people should shut the frack up about telling others what games they should but and what compromises they should have to make. That's it. End of story.

*I'm just tired of the,"we should be thankful that they are allowing us to give them our money"attitude.*

Oh, so you didn't just take issue with what people decide to spend their money on? Awesome.

Yeah, *I'm* being thick, alright. :roll:

He's done nothing substantial or interesting, yet I see his name frequenting various forums and discussions.-Unreal-

He's still a dick.

Baranga

And being a vocal dick to someone in a PR position, combined with community pressure ended up in a better change to the game.

Considering that users who bought the game had to find a work around themselves, I can't blame people being pissed off and vocal; however I'm not about to suggest that validates people being asshats

. In this instance there was actually a reason and something productive done, this wasn't lets say the Jennifer Helper bombard.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

He's still a dick.

skrat_01

And being a vocal dick to someone in a PR position, combined with community pressure ended up in a better change to the game.

Considering that users who bought the game had to find a work around themselves, I can't blame people being pissed off and vocal; however I'm not about to suggest that validates people being asshats

. In this instance there was actually a reason and something productive done, this wasn't lets say the Jennifer Helper bombard.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

He's still a dick.

skrat_01

And being a vocal dick to someone in a PR position, combined with community pressure ended up in a better change to the game.

Considering that users who bought the game had to find a work around themselves, I can't blame people being pissed off and vocal; however I'm not about to suggest that validates people being asshats

. In this instance there was actually a reason and something productive done, this wasn't lets say the Jennifer Helper bombard.

Lol at people giving TB hate he has his opinions just like everyone, there is no one person that every single gamer will agree on, seems like alot of jealousy coming from people. I do feel he has a good sense of moral value and gives attention to small indie games that deserve to be looked at.

He would've been better off just creating a video about it in the first place. I can't imagine he was the only person who was vocal about it.

SkyWard20

Regarding GFWL, I agree with many of his points, but I don't agree with his comment that gamers should simply buy the game to 'show their support' to the developer if they want the game. Gamers have to make up their own minds about what they are willing (or not willing) to support.RobertBowen

Souls' games have done pretty well, now if they don't do well on PC (especially after PC gamers asking for it) I can't see them bothering with the next game.

I guess buying a whole console/console version to play their other future game sounds better than just have GFWL on PC?

[QUOTE="RobertBowen"]Regarding GFWL, I agree with many of his points, but I don't agree with his comment that gamers should simply buy the game to 'show their support' to the developer if they want the game. Gamers have to make up their own minds about what they are willing (or not willing) to support.SaltyMeatballs

Souls' games have done pretty well, now if they don't do well on PC (especially after PC gamers asking for it) I can't see them bothering with the next game.

I guess buying a whole console/console version to play their other future game sounds better than just have GFWL on PC?

I've been saying that all along yet people don't get it.

Most PC gamers don't understand the implications of having to re-write entire parts of a video game for a simple port, especially when there are tools and a platform out there that eliminate the time and investment needed to re-write the core networking functions of the engine.

It's clear the game was never designed for the PC, so to be getting a PC port is excellent in it's own way. Yes GFWL sucks, but it's a lot better than waiting another year for them the re-write and test a PC version.

After Crysis 2 and BF3 launched, the PC community showed to me the majority have no idea how game programming works, or any computer programming for that matter. So I shouldn't be shocked when people can't wrap it around their heads why GFWL is a logical approach.

I've been saying that all along yet people don't get it.

Most PC gamers don't understand the implications of having to re-write entire parts of a video game for a simple port, especially when there are tools and a platform out there that eliminate the time and investment needed to re-write the core networking functions of the engine.

It's clear the game was never designed for the PC, so to be getting a PC port is excellent in it's own way. Yes GFWL sucks, but it's a lot better than waiting another year for them the re-write and test a PC version.

After Crysis 2 and BF3 launched, the PC community showed to me the majority have no idea how game programming works, or any computer programming for that matter. So I shouldn't be shocked when people can't wrap it around their heads why GFWL is a logical approach.

Wasdie

There is also the fact that a lot of PC gamers have some sort of complex where PC gaming is like a fanatical jihadist religion. If something even slightly resembles something on a console, they scoff at it. GFWL with all of its problems also has the unfortunate quality of resembling something on a console (the interface and most of the games actually support gamepads...oh the horror of it!).

Some of the hate can be blamed on GFWL and its problems, some of it is a lack of understanding, and some of it is this pathological state of mind that many PC gamers find themselves in (PC elitism).

Don't believe me? Try starting a thread about gamepad support and watch the flaming begin.

Me? Im just happy to have a port of DS. Now I can sell my PS3 and that money goes to a new video card.

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omenodebander

I've been saying that all along yet people don't get it.

Most PC gamers don't understand the implications of having to re-write entire parts of a video game for a simple port, especially when there are tools and a platform out there that eliminate the time and investment needed to re-write the core networking functions of the engine.

It's clear the game was never designed for the PC, so to be getting a PC port is excellent in it's own way. Yes GFWL sucks, but it's a lot better than waiting another year for them the re-write and test a PC version.

After Crysis 2 and BF3 launched, the PC community showed to me the majority have no idea how game programming works, or any computer programming for that matter. So I shouldn't be shocked when people can't wrap it around their heads why GFWL is a logical approach.

Wasdie

Does that even matter to the consumer? Unless this is released at a budget price, I fail to see how relevant it is to us how costly the development of a PC port is. There are people who have had NUMEROUS issues with GFWL and want to avoid the service altogether, which is perfectly fine. I don't think those people should be blamed for not supporting this title if it comes with such a drawback as GFWL.

And for a game like Dark Souls, keeping my save files from PC to PC might be more important than the other GFWL titles i own. With encrypted saves, I don't even know how that works.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I've been saying that all along yet people don't get it.

Most PC gamers don't understand the implications of having to re-write entire parts of a video game for a simple port, especially when there are tools and a platform out there that eliminate the time and investment needed to re-write the core networking functions of the engine.

It's clear the game was never designed for the PC, so to be getting a PC port is excellent in it's own way. Yes GFWL sucks, but it's a lot better than waiting another year for them the re-write and test a PC version.

After Crysis 2 and BF3 launched, the PC community showed to me the majority have no idea how game programming works, or any computer programming for that matter. So I shouldn't be shocked when people can't wrap it around their heads why GFWL is a logical approach.

MyopicCanadian

Does that even matter to the consumer? Unless this is released at a budget price, I fail to see how relevant it is to us how costly the development of a PC port is. There are people who have had NUMEROUS issues with GFWL and want to avoid the service altogether, which is perfectly fine. I don't think those people should be blamed for not supporting this title if it comes with such a drawback as GFWL.

And for a game like Dark Souls, keeping my save files from PC to PC might be more important than the other GFWL titles i own. With encrypted saves, I don't even know how that works.

How about I word it in terms that matter to a consumer.

If they don't use GFWL, the game would probably be on the PC in early 2013 at the earliest as they'll have to bascially rebuild the whole game from scratch. Doing so will cause further delays to any other game in the series. Even worse, the added costs of development will mean a $60 price point.

[QUOTE="RobertBowen"]Regarding GFWL, I agree with many of his points, but I don't agree with his comment that gamers should simply buy the game to 'show their support' to the developer if they want the game. Gamers have to make up their own minds about what they are willing (or not willing) to support.SaltyMeatballs

Souls' games have done pretty well, now if they don't do well on PC (especially after PC gamers asking for it) I can't see them bothering with the next game.

I guess buying a whole console/console version to play their other future game sounds better than just have GFWL on PC?

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I've been saying that all along yet people don't get it.

Most PC gamers don't understand the implications of having to re-write entire parts of a video game for a simple port, especially when there are tools and a platform out there that eliminate the time and investment needed to re-write the core networking functions of the engine.

It's clear the game was never designed for the PC, so to be getting a PC port is excellent in it's own way. Yes GFWL sucks, but it's a lot better than waiting another year for them the re-write and test a PC version.

After Crysis 2 and BF3 launched, the PC community showed to me the majority have no idea how game programming works, or any computer programming for that matter. So I shouldn't be shocked when people can't wrap it around their heads why GFWL is a logical approach.

Wasdie

Does that even matter to the consumer? Unless this is released at a budget price, I fail to see how relevant it is to us how costly the development of a PC port is. There are people who have had NUMEROUS issues with GFWL and want to avoid the service altogether, which is perfectly fine. I don't think those people should be blamed for not supporting this title if it comes with such a drawback as GFWL.

And for a game like Dark Souls, keeping my save files from PC to PC might be more important than the other GFWL titles i own. With encrypted saves, I don't even know how that works.

How about I word it in terms that matter to a consumer.

If they don't use GFWL, the game would probably be on the PC in early 2013 at the earliest as they'll have to bascially rebuild the whole game from scratch. Doing so will cause further delays to any other game in the series. Even worse, the added costs of development will mean a $60 price point.

So ur argument is: "as long as it comes on PC i dont care if is a **** console port"...I have "grow" some kind of respect for you,not that much, but enough to not insult you or ridicule your comments...so that being said...Are you pleased with Resident Evil 4??As long as it on PC,You dont care that it is a horrid unplayable port?

Are you aware of one of the latest "GFWL" GCI matchmaking is the worst on the planet and drops you from games every freaking 2 or 3 matches???Are you aware of the fact that the same CGI that uses GFWL lets you in the lobby searching for games about half an hour at times???

I myself dont want a freaking crippled Dark Souls because they used GFWL...I want the full and normal/intended experience...If you cannot do that...dont do it...ill buy the game for the PS3...

Where is ur rational/logical argument behind ur comment?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Does that even matter to the consumer? Unless this is released at a budget price, I fail to see how relevant it is to us how costly the development of a PC port is. There are people who have had NUMEROUS issues with GFWL and want to avoid the service altogether, which is perfectly fine. I don't think those people should be blamed for not supporting this title if it comes with such a drawback as GFWL.

And for a game like Dark Souls, keeping my save files from PC to PC might be more important than the other GFWL titles i own. With encrypted saves, I don't even know how that works.

rhazzy

How about I word it in terms that matter to a consumer.

If they don't use GFWL, the game would probably be on the PC in early 2013 at the earliest as they'll have to bascially rebuild the whole game from scratch. Doing so will cause further delays to any other game in the series. Even worse, the added costs of development will mean a $60 price point.

So ur argument is: "as long as it comes on PC i dont care if is a **** console port"...I have "grow" some kind of respect for you,not that much, but enough to not insult you or ridicule your comments...so that being said...Are you pleased with Resident Evil 4??As long as it on PC,You dont care that it is a horrid unplayable port?

Are you aware of one of the latest "GFWL" GCI matchmaking is the worst on the planet and drops you from games every freaking 2 or 3 matches???Are you aware of the fact that the same CGI that uses GFWL lets you in the lobby searching for games about half an hour at times???

I myself dont want a freaking crippled Dark Souls because they used GFWL...I want the full and normal/intended experience...If you cannot do that...dont do it...ill buy the game for the PS3...

Where is ur rational/logical argument behind ur comment?

Plays fine on the Xbox 360.SaltyMeatballs

Or that...PS3 was the first that came in to my mind...

@Wasdie - To put it simply; we wouldn't care how long it took and would be willing to wait as long as we needed to have a very high quailty port. I'm disapointed that they're rushing this at all.Kell_the_Gamer

Who is we? You don't speak for pc gamers.

I never considered GFWL to be anything other than an annoyance. Who is to say that with Dark Souls we are going to encounter huge issues or that the port is going to terrible? I'd rather have a port than none at all (if the port weren't easy, they probably wouldn't do it) and I'd rather have it this century.

I bet in the end Dark Souls online component will work better on PC than on consoles. Lets face it...the online part of Dark Souls was pretty crappy. "Invasion failed. Invasion failed. Summoning failed. Summoning failed."