'Ubisoft: PC has Piracy Rate of 93-95'

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/22/ubisoft-pc-has-piracy-rate-of-93-95-f2p-the-future

"On PC it's only around five to seven per cent of the players who pay for F2P, but normally on PC it's only about five to seven per cent who pay anyway, the rest is pirated. It's around a 93-95 per cent piracy rate, so it ends up at about the same percentage" -Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

According to Ubisoft 93-95% of PC gamers are pirates... Ubisoft has always been pretty stupid when it comes to piracy and DRM, but this is a new low.

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Any evidence for this, or any information on how this data was collected?

Link doesn't work.

What a load of bollocks. They release so many games on PC that get pirated 95% of the time? UBi wouldn't be making a PC version at that rate because there would be no profit. This is just a myth UBI wants to spread so they can keep adding DRM.

98% of all statistics are made up...

What a load of **** ubisoft, you just pulled those numbers out of ya ass, keep treating us pc gamers like dirt.

where did ubisoft get this data from? according to ubisoft "its only about 5-7 % who pay for f2p, but then normally on pc its about 5-7% who pay anyway" great logic being applied here,

ubisoft also says the revenue they get from people who play is more long term so they gonna implement f2p, but why would usbisoft get more revenue if its the same 5-7 % gonna pay for f2p, isn't that a contradiction in terms, it is "f2p", then again maybe they plan to charge the 5-7 % to make up for the 93-95%, in which case it ain't "f2p" is it.

Any evidence for this, or any information on how this data was collected?

DraugenCP

Obviously not. It's ubisoft talking out their asses. That's complete bullsh!t, and not even plausible bullsh!t. That's suggesting that if a game sells a couple million copies, then there are 90-100 million people with pirate copies, if not more. Dumbasses. There's just giving pirates a reason to justify it. Okay, you openly accuse virtually the entirely community of PC gamers of being avid pirates, who don't buy games, fine. We won't buy yours. If we want to play them, we will. But we won't buy them. If you don't like it, get the fvck out of the PC game industry, and see how much money you lose. Fvcking a$$holes.

Ok Ubisoft, whatever you say. I stopped caring a long time ago anyway.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/22/ubisoft-pc-has-piracy-rate-of-93-95-f2p-the-future

"On PC it's only around five to seven per cent of the players who pay for F2P, but normally on PC it's only about five to seven per cent who pay anyway, the rest is pirated. It's around a 93-95 per cent piracy rate, so it ends up at about the same percentage" -Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

According to Ubisoft 93-95% of PC gamers are pirates... Ubisoft has always been pretty stupid when it comes to piracy and DRM, but this is a new low.

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heatfanman101

rofl so dumb.

This company sounds awesome. How do I sign up for uplay?

[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

Any evidence for this, or any information on how this data was collected?

the_bi99man

Obviously not. It's ubisoft talking out their asses. That's complete bullsh!t, and not even plausible bullsh!t. That's suggesting that if a game sells a couple million copies, then there are 90-100 million people with pirate copies, if not more. Dumbasses. There's just giving pirates a reason to justify it. Okay, you openly accuse virtually the entirely community of PC gamers of being avid pirates, who don't buy games, fine. We won't buy yours. If we want to play them, we will. But we won't buy them. If you don't like it, get the fvck out of the PC game industry, and see how much money you lose. Fvcking a$$holes.

LOL, thats about all i can say about ubsioft. First lets start on the stupid statement of f2p, that number is around 10 percent pay something. That is a fact that EA has brought up in investor calls and breifings.

Lets take an actual look at pirated data, this is the top 5 most pirated games of 2011. Info comes from torrent freak.com

as of December 30, 2011#gameest. downloadsreleasedtorrentfreak.com1Crysis 2(3,920,000)(Mar. 2011)2Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3(3,650,000)(Nov. 2011)3Battlefield 3(3,510,000)(Oct. 2011)4FIFA 12(3,390,000)(Sept. 2011)5Portal 2

Lets look at bf3 that game sold in the ballpark around 3+ million copies. So no there isn't even close to 93-95 percent piracy rate. Heck ubisoft games don't even make the top five. They are all EA published games. I would say more 40-60 percent depending on the game.

And here I was under the impression that their draconian, always on DRM, was a smashing success.

What gives?

And here I was under the impression that their draconian, always on DRM, was a smashing success.

What gives?-wildflower-

Well, since that article came out, they scrapped the always-online DRM system. :P

People pirate their games to try them out, see if they like them. When they don't like the game, they don't buy it. So maybe they should make better games?SKaREO

By that logic, people are going to pirate their games no matter how good their games are. 'course some of them might pay for it afterwards, but the piracy rates would still be high.

And here I was under the impression that their draconian, always on DRM, was a smashing success.

What gives?

-wildflower-

"The data was found from a survey of Pirate Bay users"

95% - Bullcrap.

"The data was found from a survey of Pirate Bay users"

95% - Bullcrap.

D1zzyCriminal

Hahahahahahaha. So 95% of pirate bay users pirate games? HUGE FVCKING SURPRISE. Ever occur to anyone that maybe people who buy games DON'T FVCKING USE PIRATE BAY? Making them NOT PIRATE BAY USERS. Or maybe the use Pirate Bay occasionally, for getting their favorite TV shows before they're available on DVD... and don't respond to online surveys because WHO THE HELL RESPONDS TO ONLINE SURVEYS?

The fact remains that suggesting a 95% piracy rate is suggesting that a game that sells a couple millions copies is being played by over 100 million people illegally. That is logistically impossible, and clearly just bullsh!t.

[QUOTE="D1zzyCriminal"]

"The data was found from a survey of Pirate Bay users"

95% - Bullcrap.

the_bi99man

Hahahahahahaha. So 95% of pirate bay users pirate games? HUGE FVCKING SURPRISE. Ever occur to anyone that maybe people who buy games DON'T FVCKING USE PIRATE BAY? Making them NOT PIRATE BAY USERS. Or maybe the use Pirate Bay occasionally, for getting their favorite TV shows before they're available on DVD... and don't respond to online surveys because WHO THE HELL RESPONDS TO ONLINE SURVEYS?

The fact remains that suggesting a 95% piracy rate is suggesting that a game that sells a couple millions copies is being played by over 100 million people illegally. That is logistically impossible, and clearly just bullsh!t.

It's not really from Pirate bay users (although I wouldnt be supprised).

Im just joking that the "95%" statistic is clearly leading or somehow made up.

Ahahaha! What...get stuffed Ubisoft, pulling that our of their ass.

So Ubisoft is saying that ArmA II has 20 million PC players, Skyrim over 40 millions and Diiblo III over 200 millions... And thanx to his DRM methods they were able to contain piracy at barely 95% (without them probably piracy would hit a 150% or so :P ). Also his DRM was so succesful keeping back piracy that they lost the 90% of their PC sales from 2009 to 2011...

Seems to me some of the most ridiculous statmemts ever made from a game publisher. So far the developers and publishers of games as Shogun 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim, Diablo III, Minecraft, League Of Legends, EVE Online... are very happy with the PC market at this moment.

So far I didn't bought/play a Ubisoft game since Far Cry 1; I'm waiting Far Cry 3 with some expectations, but reading that statments isn't a good PR for future buys at the Ubisoft franchises.

So Ubisoft is saying that ArmA II has 20 million PC players, Skyrim over 40 millions and Diiblo III over 200 millions... And thanx to his DRM methods they were able to contain piracy at barely 95% (without them probably piracy would hit a 150% or so :P ). Also his DRM was so succesful keeping back piracy that they lost the 90% of their PC sales from 2009 to 2011...

Seems to me some of the most ridiculous statmemts ever made from a game publisher. So far the developers and publishers of games as Shogun 2, The Witcher 2, Skyrim, Diablo III, Minecraft, League Of Legends, EVE Online... are very happy with the PC market at this moment.

So far I didn't bought/play a Ubisoft game since Far Cry 1; I'm waiting Far Cry 3 with some expectations, but reading that statments isn't a good PR for future buys at the Ubisoft franchises.

Ondoval

I'm also looking forward to Far Cry 3. And Assassin's Creed 3. Statements like this from developers, though, make me want to go make an account at thepiratebay. :P

It's not really from Pirate bay users (although I wouldnt be supprised).

Im just joking that the "95%" statistic is clearly leading or somehow made up.

D1zzyCriminal

Lol. I started to figure that, after posting. Still, considering how completely baseless and stupid the statement was to begin with, I wouldn't be TOO surprised...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/22/ubisoft-pc-has-piracy-rate-of-93-95-f2p-the-future

"On PC it's only around five to seven per cent of the players who pay for F2P, but normally on PC it's only about five to seven per cent who pay anyway, the rest is pirated. It's around a 93-95 per cent piracy rate, so it ends up at about the same percentage" -Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

According to Ubisoft 93-95% of PC gamers are pirates... Ubisoft has always been pretty stupid when it comes to piracy and DRM, but this is a new low.

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heatfanman101

My lord, what a ball of bullsh*t this is. There's no damn possible way that only 5-7% of people are the purchasers. These people are just pulling stats out of their ass now. If you believe this stat then I have a bridge to sell you to nowhere...

Who is Ubisoft? Have they made any good PC games since 2005? All they do now is take good PC games and destroy them. Far Cry 2, Prince of Persia 2008 and 2010, Myst V: End of ages, etc. Their games are not even worth pirating anymore...

F*** that losers.

[QUOTE="heatfanman101"]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/22/ubisoft-pc-has-piracy-rate-of-93-95-f2p-the-future

"On PC it's only around five to seven per cent of the players who pay for F2P, but normally on PC it's only about five to seven per cent who pay anyway, the rest is pirated. It's around a 93-95 per cent piracy rate, so it ends up at about the same percentage" -Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot

According to Ubisoft 93-95% of PC gamers are pirates... Ubisoft has always been pretty stupid when it comes to piracy and DRM, but this is a new low.

EDIT: Link should be working now

rhazzy

What bullcrap

Sounds well within the realm of possibility. Certainly higer than the norm but while figures are hard to come by we do have data set easily supports 80-90%. For example, World of Goo. A small, high quality indie game with no DRM had around 90% piracy rate.The discovered that since 9 out 0f 10 of the games that reported their leaderboard high scores to the company servers were pirated copies:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/

UbiSoft has quoated 90% in the past. THQ has quoted 80%:http://techcrunch.com/2008/03/03/pc-game-piracy-around-80-in-the-us/

A game publisher in the UK claimed 80% (4 copies pirated for each copy sold):http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-25-game-piracy-4-1-against-legitimate-sales

Machinarium, anoter DRM free, small Indie publisher reported a 90% piracy rate:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-piracy-rate-offers-5-amnesty-sale/

The Witcher 2, the PC Gaming favorite, DRM free from GoG.com, 80% piracy rate:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-29-the-witcher-2-pirated-4-5-million-times-reckons-cd-projekt

While 93-95% is higher than other numbers they are not too far off. Consider the controversy over Ubi's DRM and may examples of poor handling of the PC Gaming crowd and 93-95% dosent sound that crazy.

A good article here also mentions 40-80% with outliers in the 10% and 90% range.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

This might be due to counting all PC game sales (some games are pretty much immune, MMO's for example, games that rely on online gaming services that are controlled by the developer (StarCraft2, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3). An games that target a demographic that tend to pirate games at a lower rate (The Sims, Bejweled, casual and kids games).

Another good read is http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.htmlIt was first written in 2008 but has been updated several times. Latest revision is from 2012.

Short version, 93-95% sounds high but not given the broad dislike for UbiSoft it dosent seem that unlikely.

Does it take into account people who buy and pirate the same game? Or the multiple downloads of the same game in order to find a good torrent? I feel like 50% is a more accurate number for games. Movies and songs would be higher.

They have to remember that some people wouldn't even try the game if it wasn't free. Those people who go "i wouldn't buy this game normally, but i guess i'll give it a try since i can torrent it." THere are a lot of variables that make it difficult to judge piracy and how much money companies lose from it.

Sounds well within the realm of possibility. Certainly higer than the norm but while figures are hard to come by we do have data set easily supports 80-90%. For example, World of Goo. A small, high quality indie game with no DRM had around 90% piracy rate.The discovered that since 9 out 0f 10 of the games that reported their leaderboard high scores to the company servers were pirated copies:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/

UbiSoft has quoated 90% in the past. THQ has quoted 80%:http://techcrunch.com/2008/03/03/pc-game-piracy-around-80-in-the-us/

A game publisher in the UK claimed 80% (4 copies pirated for each copy sold):http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-25-game-piracy-4-1-against-legitimate-sales

Machinarium, anoter DRM free, small Indie publisher reported a 90% piracy rate:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-piracy-rate-offers-5-amnesty-sale/

The Witcher 2, the PC Gaming favorite, DRM free from GoG.com, 80% piracy rate:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-29-the-witcher-2-pirated-4-5-million-times-reckons-cd-projekt

While 93-95% is higher than other numbers they are not too far off. Consider the controversy over Ubi's DRM and may examples of poor handling of the PC Gaming crowd and 93-95% dosent sound that crazy.

A good article here also mentions 40-80% with outliers in the 10% and 90% range.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

This might be due to counting all PC game sales (some games are pretty much immune, MMO's for example, games that rely on online gaming services that are controlled by the developer (StarCraft2, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3). An games that target a demographic that tend to pirate games at a lower rate (The Sims, Bejweled, casual and kids games).

Another good read is http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.htmlIt was first written in 2008 but has been updated several times. Latest revision is from 2012.

Short version, 93-95% sounds high but not given the broad dislike for UbiSoft it dosent seem that unlikely.

Mazoch

Sounds well within the realm of possibility. Certainly higer than the norm but while figures are hard to come by we do have data set easily supports 80-90%. For example, World of Goo. A small, high quality indie game with no DRM had around 90% piracy rate.The discovered that since 9 out 0f 10 of the games that reported their leaderboard high scores to the company servers were pirated copies:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/

UbiSoft has quoated 90% in the past. THQ has quoted 80%:http://techcrunch.com/2008/03/03/pc-game-piracy-around-80-in-the-us/

A game publisher in the UK claimed 80% (4 copies pirated for each copy sold):http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-25-game-piracy-4-1-against-legitimate-sales

Machinarium, anoter DRM free, small Indie publisher reported a 90% piracy rate:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-piracy-rate-offers-5-amnesty-sale/

The Witcher 2, the PC Gaming favorite, DRM free from GoG.com, 80% piracy rate:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-29-the-witcher-2-pirated-4-5-million-times-reckons-cd-projekt

While 93-95% is higher than other numbers they are not too far off. Consider the controversy over Ubi's DRM and may examples of poor handling of the PC Gaming crowd and 93-95% dosent sound that crazy.

A good article here also mentions 40-80% with outliers in the 10% and 90% range.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

This might be due to counting all PC game sales (some games are pretty much immune, MMO's for example, games that rely on online gaming services that are controlled by the developer (StarCraft2, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3). An games that target a demographic that tend to pirate games at a lower rate (The Sims, Bejweled, casual and kids games).

Another good read is http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.htmlIt was first written in 2008 but has been updated several times. Latest revision is from 2012.

Short version, 93-95% sounds high but not given the broad dislike for UbiSoft it dosent seem that unlikely.

Mazoch

I am still very skeptical of anywhere that claims to have actual statistics on the piracy rates. I mean, where are they getting the information about the number of pirate copies being downloaded and installed. If they have the ability to track the number of individual downloads, then they have to have at least some degree of tracking where they're going. And if they have that, why are they not just having the pirates prosecuted?

Sounds well within the realm of possibility. Certainly higer than the norm but while figures are hard to come by we do have data set easily supports 80-90%. For example, World of Goo. A small, high quality indie game with no DRM had around 90% piracy rate.The discovered that since 9 out 0f 10 of the games that reported their leaderboard high scores to the company servers were pirated copies:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/

UbiSoft has quoated 90% in the past. THQ has quoted 80%:http://techcrunch.com/2008/03/03/pc-game-piracy-around-80-in-the-us/

A game publisher in the UK claimed 80% (4 copies pirated for each copy sold):http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-25-game-piracy-4-1-against-legitimate-sales

Machinarium, anoter DRM free, small Indie publisher reported a 90% piracy rate:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-piracy-rate-offers-5-amnesty-sale/

The Witcher 2, the PC Gaming favorite, DRM free from GoG.com, 80% piracy rate:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-29-the-witcher-2-pirated-4-5-million-times-reckons-cd-projekt

While 93-95% is higher than other numbers they are not too far off. Consider the controversy over Ubi's DRM and may examples of poor handling of the PC Gaming crowd and 93-95% dosent sound that crazy.

A good article here also mentions 40-80% with outliers in the 10% and 90% range.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

This might be due to counting all PC game sales (some games are pretty much immune, MMO's for example, games that rely on online gaming services that are controlled by the developer (StarCraft2, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3). An games that target a demographic that tend to pirate games at a lower rate (The Sims, Bejweled, casual and kids games).

Another good read is http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.htmlIt was first written in 2008 but has been updated several times. Latest revision is from 2012.

Short version, 93-95% sounds high but not given the broad dislike for UbiSoft it dosent seem that unlikely.

Mazoch

Great (made up) stats and all but all this does is provide a lot of evidence that Ubisofts DRM creates even MORE piracy than no DRM at all. Their DRM is a major source of their piracy, that's almost guaranteed.

Sounds well within the realm of possibility. Certainly higer than the norm but while figures are hard to come by we do have data set easily supports 80-90%. For example, World of Goo. A small, high quality indie game with no DRM had around 90% piracy rate.The discovered that since 9 out 0f 10 of the games that reported their leaderboard high scores to the company servers were pirated copies:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/

UbiSoft has quoated 90% in the past. THQ has quoted 80%:http://techcrunch.com/2008/03/03/pc-game-piracy-around-80-in-the-us/

A game publisher in the UK claimed 80% (4 copies pirated for each copy sold):http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-25-game-piracy-4-1-against-legitimate-sales

Machinarium, anoter DRM free, small Indie publisher reported a 90% piracy rate:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-piracy-rate-offers-5-amnesty-sale/

The Witcher 2, the PC Gaming favorite, DRM free from GoG.com, 80% piracy rate:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-29-the-witcher-2-pirated-4-5-million-times-reckons-cd-projekt

While 93-95% is higher than other numbers they are not too far off. Consider the controversy over Ubi's DRM and may examples of poor handling of the PC Gaming crowd and 93-95% dosent sound that crazy.

A good article here also mentions 40-80% with outliers in the 10% and 90% range.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

This might be due to counting all PC game sales (some games are pretty much immune, MMO's for example, games that rely on online gaming services that are controlled by the developer (StarCraft2, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3). An games that target a demographic that tend to pirate games at a lower rate (The Sims, Bejweled, casual and kids games).

Another good read is http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.htmlIt was first written in 2008 but has been updated several times. Latest revision is from 2012.

Short version, 93-95% sounds high but not given the broad dislike for UbiSoft it dosent seem that unlikely.

Mazoch

Lets hold up a second on these numbers almost none of these actually backed by any type of research they are numbers for the most part pulled out of people asses. Secondly all these numbers are coming from publishers who are always looking for excuses to justify stuff to investors. So we already have confirmation bias, and then lack of much evidence.

Accourding to what was said ubisofts new thing was based off a survey done on the pirate bay. So then we have anecdotal evidence which makes the credibility even worse.

Thirdly there is no way to actuatlly track the number of downloads, for all we know they may count updates or a fix for a game as a new game download.

Its bad but anyone thinking only 10-20 percent of pc gamers buy games is just stupid. The pc market wouldn't exist if it did.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

Sounds well within the realm of possibility. Certainly higer than the norm but while figures are hard to come by we do have data set easily supports 80-90%. For example, World of Goo. A small, high quality indie game with no DRM had around 90% piracy rate.The discovered that since 9 out 0f 10 of the games that reported their leaderboard high scores to the company servers were pirated copies:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90/

UbiSoft has quoated 90% in the past. THQ has quoted 80%:http://techcrunch.com/2008/03/03/pc-game-piracy-around-80-in-the-us/

A game publisher in the UK claimed 80% (4 copies pirated for each copy sold):http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-25-game-piracy-4-1-against-legitimate-sales

Machinarium, anoter DRM free, small Indie publisher reported a 90% piracy rate:http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/08/machinarium-suffers-95-piracy-rate-offers-5-amnesty-sale/

The Witcher 2, the PC Gaming favorite, DRM free from GoG.com, 80% piracy rate:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-29-the-witcher-2-pirated-4-5-million-times-reckons-cd-projekt

While 93-95% is higher than other numbers they are not too far off. Consider the controversy over Ubi's DRM and may examples of poor handling of the PC Gaming crowd and 93-95% dosent sound that crazy.

A good article here also mentions 40-80% with outliers in the 10% and 90% range.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-30-how-bad-is-pc-piracy-really-article

This might be due to counting all PC game sales (some games are pretty much immune, MMO's for example, games that rely on online gaming services that are controlled by the developer (StarCraft2, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3). An games that target a demographic that tend to pirate games at a lower rate (The Sims, Bejweled, casual and kids games).

Another good read is http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.htmlIt was first written in 2008 but has been updated several times. Latest revision is from 2012.

Short version, 93-95% sounds high but not given the broad dislike for UbiSoft it dosent seem that unlikely.

Loegi

While no one can provide a 100% accurate number for or against, they DO form a general trend. We are never going to be able to get a 100% accurate number; I dont think anyone claims as much. But there's a fairly consistent pattern here. 80-90% piracy is not a crazy number. And even then it's usually based on torrents alone, it completely fails to account for direct download sites like megadownload or fileshare.

As for World of Goo, it was a budget Indie game that received tons of praise. It wasnt released by an evil greedy publisher; there was no DRM to complain about. They even let you name your own price, you could literally buy it for a cent. None of the usual piracy excuses match this game.

Look at Witcher 2. PC Gamers have been falling over themselves to praise for treating PC Gamers right and showing respect for the PC Gaming community (No DRM, high end graphics, lots of graphical settings).And they are seeing their game downloaded illegally 4.5 times for each copy sold.

I guess it could all be a conspiracy and that developers from all corners of the market are all just making stuff up or blatantly lying to mislead PC Gamers for some unknown reason. But assuming that is not the case 80-90% seems to be quite common with a lot (not all) titles. And with that in mind I personally dont think it's unlikely that UbiSoft is seeing higher numbers given their long standing feud with PC Gamers.

Its not bad but anyone thinking only 10-20 percent of pc gamers buy games is just stupid. The pc market wouldn't exist if it did.James161324

One more thing to add, based off an average of about a 1-30 ratio. One person out of 30 buys x game. Which is around the average.

Even if the pc install base is 50 million of people with a pc who can actually play most games, then ubsoft is saying about 2.5 million actually buy games. take .03 percent of that. Takes us down to about 75 thousands units. Even at a generous 1-20 ratio, still 125k units, when most games do far better

[QUOTE="James161324"]Its not bad but anyone thinking only 10-20 percent of pc gamers buy games is just stupid. The pc market wouldn't exist if it did.DanielDust

if they got pirated as much as they think they do they would be on the top 5 list every year, they don't make it. Perhaps how they treat pc users, and the lack of many good games on pc. Keeps them from making money.

But then you can make the same arguement that 10 percent or less of console gamers buy new. There is no facts to be able to back up there statement or my statement

[QUOTE="James161324"]Its not bad but anyone thinking only 10-20 percent of pc gamers buy games is just stupid. The pc market wouldn't exist if it did.DanielDust

This is EXACTLY because of their BS DRM. I have avoided every single Ubisoft game that has came out in the last 5 years in large part because of their DRM, secondly because they are douchebags. If they didn't have the crap DRM and the sh*t attitude towards their customers I would have gladly bought ANNO, and maybe even some of the others.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="James161324"]Its not bad but anyone thinking only 10-20 percent of pc gamers buy games is just stupid. The pc market wouldn't exist if it did.James161324

if they got pirated as much as they think they do they would be on the top 5 list every year, they don't make it. Perhaps how they treat pc users, and the lack of many good games on pc. Keeps them from making money.