This time its not a poll. I pre ordered vanguard and i have played for about 10-12 hours so far and i have a pretty standard computer. I have to say that there is little chance that this game is gonna eat wow now matter how much i would like that. I say this for a couple reason....1. It requires a pretty good computer just to run well and to enjoy the graphics 2 There are numerous bug which i cant really see why these weren't fixed in the beta because they are obvious to say the least. One of the bugs that i cant stand is the enemies that u fight like to disappear. Also the interface screws itself up pretty often. 3. the pvp on some server is stupid because u start getting ganked at lvl 7 but other then that the pvp hasn't been to much of a problem for me. 4.Death Penalty :( this can be more than annoying.... Once u hit lvl 7 u can now suffer from this thing called the death penalty. The death penalty means that u loose a decent amount of xp every time u are killed by an npc, also u have to walk back to your grave to collect your armor and whatnot.You see the thing that makes this EXTREMELY annoying for me is that chances are that you died because there was to many npc's for you to kill but now you have to kill these guys unarmored?!?! Good Luck you will probably die and then there goes more xp. Its a vicious cycle.5. It is the same old game, they really just tried to copy WoW but left in a lot of flaws. All of the new classes and races are great but there is allot to choose from which can make it a little overwhelming. Its the same story kill these many guys collect these many objects to get xp. Now im not saying that i was expecting anything different but it would have been nice for them to somehow jaz it up.Now i know that most of you are thinking you cant judge an RPG just from playing for 2 days and id say your right but chances are that people are gonna play this game for a couple weeks and head right back to WoW. The fact of the matter is that WoW is just a better game atm. As much as i and many others were hoping that this game would de throne the almighty World of Warcraft i assure you that it will not. Looks like Warhammer is our last hope.
I like vanguard, alot of interface stuff reminds me of WoW but the gameplay is deeper. There's more to be found in vanguard but lets be honest, more people are gonna wanna play WoW because its simply easier to grasp. I think vanguard will go strong for awhile tho, maybe like a Dark age of camelot. I too have pre-ordered vanguard so no worries, I know what I'm talking about.
Um crafting, diplomacy as well as more personalized items and weapons. Yea ok plz, weren't you the one who made a topic comparing WoW and Vanguard, dont shut down other people's opinions.
the gameplay is not deeper at all ur just a fanboy. And a good game requires it to be easy to grasp making it hard to grasp is a stupid tactic.icey6ch9
  From what I have seen alot of the big competitors including EQ2 and Vanguard now have way deeper gameplay then WoW.. WoW in the end for me took no challenge and really there was no "experience" to learn from teh game.. In the end it just takes if your an OVERALL competent player.. The profession system in the game was pretyt much useless as well..
 Overall WoW was pretty fun, but its shallowness was finally its downfall (for me) in the end game when really all you could do is item grind.. On a item system that is ultimately linear and by far too few items not to mention too common.. It annoyed the hell out of me running by people who had the exact same equipment as me almost.. PVP was fun from 20 to 50s.. At 60 its a massive imbalance of gear>all.. Not to mention cookie cutter builds dominate where you can see one guy just wtfpwn an entire group due to his gear and surviability going to crap..
  From what I have read Vanguard is far deeper and more challenging. I WANT A DEATH PENALTY.. So there is actually risk vs reward, so you can actually get a thrill of completing something that you could have lost much if you didn't.. Not to mention it would weed out people LIKE you from the community that most likely would make it alot worse.
I agree. I've been playing WoW for about 2 weeks now and i cant stand it, its way to easy. All i can think about is playing DoW or CSS, getting a 3kdr or landspeeder rushing some n00b, all these things that take time to learn and skill to execute (speeder rushes are easy but w/e :P) I personally would much rather have bought FFXI, it was a lot more challenging to level and items were hard to save up for and it felt great when you finnaly got that greatsword. But WoW is just all "zomg money, zomg gear, zomg i leveled, now i have tons of new stuff to choose from that doesnt look cool and cost no money, what a challenge :D"
the whole point of wow is to hit the max lvl and get the best gear. People only outgear them if u let them. And if world of warcraft wasnt better the eq how come it has 8 million players. Becuas its easy no, becuase its perfect.
How are u gonna say its not a challange to get tier 3 well maybe not nemore but thats becaus they raised the level cap. Your simplistic anyalsys of the game makes my eyes bleed go play halo u nub
o crafting and diplomancy what about enchanting letherworking mining herbalism alchamy and so on..... get goodicey6ch9
  Which all at the end game pretty much become useless.. The majority of the crafting skills you will be wearing items far better.. And those items that you can craft will usually be alittle bit better but will not be worth the price of the mats required.. Herbalism and alchemy are all right, but honestly why would I waste great potions in a pick up group, specially for the standard runs.. Then in guild raids you are turned into a flower picker for a bunch of people..
  Lets also not forget all these skills for the most part are easy to raise.. So in the end EVERY one will have a 300 profession of some sort.. I honestly wished they made it harder to raise just so finding a 300 something would be a accomplishment as well as a blessing..Â
ok, nub, here we go, the fact is that WoW is so easy, you dont need to have skill to get to lvl 60, you just need to play a lot. Leveling is too easy, money is easy to get and gear isn't rewarding to get. It's not perfect, it's marketed towards retards like you who can't handle a challenge.
the whole point of wow is to hit the max lvl and get the best gear. People only outgear them if u let them. And if world of warcraft wasnt better the eq how come it has 8 million players. Becuas its easy no, becuase its perfect.icey6ch9
Linage 2 has 14 million subscribers, I guess by YOUR logic that game is better then WoW, right? And yeah if you want to have NO life by trying to compete with those people be my guess.. If you wish to raid every night for hours on end, or pvp till your eyes bleed for honor go right ahead.. I consider those all forms of grinding, its way too linear of a way to improve a character that just makes it worthless in my eyes.. Thats why I honestly moved my self on from WoW to Guild Wars.. It doesn't require ludicrious time spent every day to get good.. Levels and gear isn't the main purpose of the game..
  Yet again I never said these games were better in anyway.. WoW is indeed a good game, I just find these other games seem to have more depth as well as challenge to keep my occupied.
leveling in wow takes time, but not skill, its waaaaaay to easy, iv played more than just WoW, so dont think ur so smart. what other games do you play? is wow ur first?
what I find funny is a child comes to a messege board posting a comparison topic between two games and then shoots down others point of view. Your clearly a WoW fanboy and your input is not valued.
How are u gonna say its not a challange to get tier 3 well maybe not nemore but thats becaus they raised the level cap. Your simplistic anyalsys of the game makes my eyes bleed go play halo u nubicey6ch9
How do you define easy .... if you define it as not taking a long time then no wow is not easy .... if you define it as not having skill and not taking intelligence then yes wow is very very very very easy Also wow is really boring ...very repetitive and all you do is one task depending on your char ... every instance is the same... every quest is the same.... and at 'end game' all you do is listen to your leader (take orders like a goon) or give them after you read them on a forum people play wow because they have nothing else to do... its very fun for them to feel like they are getting somewhere (even though its in a game) when they kill those 20 bears they feel damn good about themselves
i agree with subzero, its an alright game, but thats about it, there are many more games that takes greater amounts of skill and have more to offer then killing monsters over... and over... and over... and over..... (plus questing and raids) but in the end, all questing is is killing monsters for someone other than urself.
I AM NOT SAYING WOW IS THE BEST GAME!!!!!!! did you not read my whole starting pharagraph???? i sed i want something new i HATE wow but that doesnt mean vanguard is any better.And now the first rpg i played was diablo 2. o Yea its sooooo easy grinding for hours on end is easy rite
ok you all be saying wow icey was rite this game was terrible i sed the same thing when archlord came out and everyone was like he is just a fanboy i was right then and i will be right this time just wait
lol d2 has more to offer than wow, the quests are deeper, the story line is good (and existant) and the gear is reaaaaaaaaally hard to get, you need mad mf to get them or items to trade for them. what im really asking is if you have played REAL games (not that rpgs arent real, they just USUALLY take less skill, then say fps or rts) so have you? CS? SC? DOW? CC? BF2? BF2142? anything? lol and no wow fanboy should be talking bad about halo, it takes real skill, skill that doesnt come easy, and its a beautiful game.
o yea d2 is sooooo hard and all of those game are to rite when all u find is people who minipulate the game and cheat. In d2 u could make you own weapons with hax
who said i didnt know that? iv played more rpg/mmo than you have, i know really **** well what it means to level and kill monster after **** monster, so dont go thinking ur smart or anything, if it were up to me (which it should be) id say u werent even a gamer at all, just a wow player, thats all. no skill, just time and money.
I AM NOT SAYING WOW IS THE BEST GAME!!!!!!! did you not read my whole starting pharagraph???? i sed i want something new i HATE wow but that doesnt mean vanguard is any better.And now the first rpg i played was diablo 2. o Yea its sooooo easy grinding for hours on end is easy riteicey6ch9
  It sure sounds like it when you shoot down some one with a differences of a opinion..Â
  Also buddy grinding on hours on end is not easy due to the time it self.. But skills wise it is easy as hell that any competent person should be able to pick up in the first half hour of playing..  I wanted to like this game, but in the end It seems this game takes no challenge.. Even the considered harder raid instances of the game COUNTLESS guilds have been able to do it.. I remember in EQ where some places were just deemed off limits for tons of people just due to how difficult the place was.... And in the end all it takes is communication.. Which basically is having 40 people sit in a Ventrilo or Team speak server while listening to some guy telling the strategy that he most likely got form some where else..  Then once thats done you will usually always do the same old attack routine over and over again while following a conditional sometimes due for special cases..
  There is a reason why there is a over abundance of little kids in this game after all.
lol u say that because you dont play, i dont think you know exactly how many people play those games without hax, like me, and millions of other people, you seem to me like the type of person who would cheat, just cuz its too hard, you dont have time to aquire skill, its either an easy game or you wonyt play it. and i didnt say d2 was hard, i sais getting the good items was, like tals and good rune words, plus you can only make hax on open, which is probably where you played, as the amount of skill required on the real servers was beyond yours.
being able to understand the game so fast is a good thing how can u argue against that. Obliously u have no expierence raiding because its not as easy as u make it sound.
lol i played halo 2 back in the day when there was no modders and it was amazing, and even now, the people who play the game dont determine how good it is, its the game itself. the people who play it just make you hate the game when you should be hating them, and iv played close to 350 hours of CS on my most recent xfire account and iv only ever seen one hacker, so ha.
hahahah, lol, rofl, i have many friends, and ur running like a little puss, cuz arguing with me takes a little too much skil, not only have you not answered my questions, but you reply with the same thing over and over "wow takes lots of skill" and "go play halo"
iv played something like 6 hours of CS tonight, about 20 games, no hackers, i dont lie, im a respectable person, not a whiney kid who lies, even if he is wrong i can accept defeat, i wont argue with it, i wont run from it, you on the other hand, are doing all those things
disagree. SOE isn't the one who screws it up. SOE is a PUBLISHER NOT A DEVELOPER. They dont develop the content for the games so its unfair to say SOE even has a hand in the games. Vanguard wont suffer from any of that because Sigil is their own developing house. SOE has even said they will give creative freedom to Sigil. Please know your facts before you state your opinions.
the gameplay is not deeper at all ur just a fanboy. And a good game requires it to be easy to grasp making it hard to grasp is a stupid tactic.icey6ch9
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