Why all the hate for GTX 580??

I see everybody says GTX 580 is not that much better than GTX 570 and thus is a complete waste of money. I guess you people havent really seen some DX11 benchmarks then...

GTX 580 is about 20% faster than GTX 570 in those games, it is about 40% more expensive but that always happen in high end. It is quite obvious the gap is greater between the 2 in DX11 games so it's only going to get wider with time as more games utilize DX11. What more do you want than 20%?:?

In contrast the 6970 is ONLY 50% faster than 6850 in metro and the price difference between the 2 cards is 100%. This gives us pretty much the same decrease in price performance as we had with GTX 570 and 580.

It seems to me that anything above GTX 460 1GB and 6870 starts giving pretty bad price performance right now but why does only the 580 get the flack? It actually shows some serious DX11 muscle and manages to separate itself from the pack.

cuz they dont got da cash money

I don't really see much hate towards it. But it's definitely not worth the money. I'd much rather get CF 6950. Same price, much better performance. C_Rule

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

I have an HD 5870 and I run Metro 2033 1920x1080p, very high, tessellation on, Dx11 AAA and I get 25 fps.

That benchmark looks bull.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I don't really see much hate towards it. But it's definitely not worth the money. I'd much rather get CF 6950. Same price, much better performance. jedikevin2

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I don't really see much hate towards it. But it's definitely not worth the money. I'd much rather get CF 6950. Same price, much better performance. C_Rule

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

I havent been following the trends lately but I remember that SLI and CF used to have poor support when a big game launched and people had to wait to get the right performance. Plus I would really have to see this "micro-stuttering" thing in motion to really decide for myself on this issue....

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

Gambler_3

I havent been following the trends lately but I remember that SLI and CF used to have poor support when a big game launched and people had to wait to get the right performance. Plus I would really have to see this "micro-stuttering" thing in motion to really decide for myself on this issue....

I have an HD 5870 and I run Metro 2033 1920x1080p, very high, tessellation on, Dx11 AAA and I get 25 fps.

That benchmark looks bull.

Mozelleple112

I see everybody says GTX 580 is not that much better than GTX 570 and thus is a complete waste of money. I guess you people havent really seen some DX11 benchmarks then...

GTX 580 is about 20% faster than GTX 570 in those games, it is about 40% more expensive but that always happen in high end. It is quite obvious the gap is greater between the 2 in DX11 games so it's only going to get wider with time as more games utilize DX11. What more do you want than 20%?:?

In contrast the 6970 is ONLY 50% faster than 6850 in metro and the price difference between the 2 cards is 100%. This gives us pretty much the same decrease in price performance as we had with GTX 570 and 580.

It seems to me that anything above GTX 460 1GB and 6870 starts giving pretty bad price performance right now but why does only the 580 get the flack? It actually shows some serious DX11 muscle and manages to separate itself from the pack.

Gambler_3

Who would use a benchmark for a game at 1280x1024. That is useless. The GTX 580 does not run at that resolution. Who buys $500 worth of graphics cards and uses a $50 dollar monitor.

Because my 470s are 20-30% stronger (last I remember checking) for the price of a 570.

I see everybody says GTX 580 is not that much better than GTX 570 and thus is a complete waste of money. I guess you people havent really seen some DX11 benchmarks then...

GTX 580 is about 20% faster than GTX 570 in those games, it is about 40% more expensive but that always happen in high end. It is quite obvious the gap is greater between the 2 in DX11 games so it's only going to get wider with time as more games utilize DX11. What more do you want than 20%?:?

In contrast the 6970 is ONLY 50% faster than 6850 in metro and the price difference between the 2 cards is 100%. This gives us pretty much the same decrease in price performance as we had with GTX 570 and 580.

It seems to me that anything above GTX 460 1GB and 6870 starts giving pretty bad price performance right now but why does only the 580 get the flack? It actually shows some serious DX11 muscle and manages to separate itself from the pack.

Gambler_3

Doing my own math I get the average gain from GTX 570 to GTX 580 to be aroung 17%, whereas the price difference for cheapest cards on Newegg is 46%. That gives a price/performance of 2.7 times that. Sure if money is not a problem then get the best, but most people economising in some way and could probably find a better way of spending those $150. As for HD 6970, I'd say it's pretty much the same, the performance gap to HD 6950 is a bit weak for the price difference.

The reason that you see people talking mostly against GTX 580 is probably that it's what people who think they want the best of the best are most likely to choose, HD 6970 simply doesn't get a lot of attention.

And I completely agree with you about dual card setups, the performance when it does work ain't worth the hassle when it doesn't.

All I know is that my next upgrade is going to be a GTX580 (or possibly a GTX570 :P)

Probably the price, from what I've seen it looks great, and SLI them and you're in heaven.

What hate?

They don't recommend it because it's expensive but still it's the fastest single GPU on the market.

Mid-range sli/cf > single 580, for same price give or take.

The place where the GTX 580 really shines if you want to build the fastest computer on the planet and go with four of these in SLI with waterblocks. No other configuration will touch that.

Where do you keep getting those benchmarks? I just wanna know.

Who would use a benchmark for a game at 1280x1024. That is useless. The GTX 580 does not run at that resolution. Who buys $500 worth of graphics cards and uses a $50 dollar monitor.

middle-earth88

The place where the GTX 580 really shines if you want to build the fastest computer on the planet and go with four of these in SLI with waterblocks. No other configuration will touch that.

middle-earth88

Crosses fingers, hope this site allow hotlinking.

Not too shabby once you overclock it ;)

[QUOTE="middle-earth88"]

Who would use a benchmark for a game at 1280x1024. That is useless. The GTX 580 does not run at that resolution. Who buys $500 worth of graphics cards and uses a $50 dollar monitor.

Gambler_3

It does start to matter less, you chose it because it looks nicer at a lower res to prove your point.

[QUOTE="middle-earth88"]

The place where the GTX 580 really shines if you want to build the fastest computer on the planet and go with four of these in SLI with waterblocks. No other configuration will touch that.

SoraX64

The max for sli and crossfire is four cards. What the hell is that?

The main reason we hate the GTX 580 is so we can get the GPU manufacturers to charge less for their high end products and give us a better deal. If you own stock in Nvidia by all means keep supporting their higher prices. The rest of us don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of cash for insignificant gains.

The place where the GTX 580 really shines if you want to build the fastest computer on the planet and go with four of these in SLI with waterblocks. No other configuration will touch that.

middle-earth88

now for me to just get for of them Waterblocks and a quad-Rad then its game time ;)

[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="middle-earth88"]

The place where the GTX 580 really shines if you want to build the fastest computer on the planet and go with four of these in SLI with waterblocks. No other configuration will touch that.

middle-earth88

The max for sli and crossfire is four cards. What the hell is that?

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="middle-earth88"]

Who would use a benchmark for a game at 1280x1024. That is useless. The GTX 580 does not run at that resolution. Who buys $500 worth of graphics cards and uses a $50 dollar monitor.

middle-earth88

It does start to matter less, you chose it because it looks nicer at a lower res to prove your point.

Crosses fingers, hope this site allow hotlinking.

Not too shabby once you overclock it ;)

Bikouchu35

Well according to the guy who posted it in "that site", it's 7 580's. :P But I'm not sure how true that is, it's mostly a joke.SoraX64

Well, it could be true if he dremeled the backplate and plugged them in an SR-2 or something. Not exactly for gaming though. Probably for a folding farm or something.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I don't really see much hate towards it. But it's definitely not worth the money. I'd much rather get CF 6950. Same price, much better performance. jedikevin2

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

I hate it because I cannot afford it...

yet.

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="middle-earth88"]

Who would use a benchmark for a game at 1280x1024. That is useless. The GTX 580 does not run at that resolution. Who buys $500 worth of graphics cards and uses a $50 dollar monitor.

middle-earth88

It does start to matter less, you chose it because it looks nicer at a lower res to prove your point.

[QUOTE="middle-earth88"]

The place where the GTX 580 really shines if you want to build the fastest computer on the planet and go with four of these in SLI with waterblocks. No other configuration will touch that.

SoraX64

It just uses too much power and is only a little faster than a 570. I rather overclock the more efficient 570 for less money. Although, this generation of video cards are a disappoinment for me. :(

I think I know where you found that...C_Rule

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I think I know where you found that...SoraX64

who pays $500 for a video card?? Obviously its a beast but most people can not afford one unless they go without eating for a while. It is only for the well off people and above or those who have no responsibilities...ie teenagers living at home with their parents who spend half their monthly income on a video card and get away with it.

who pays $500 for a video card?? Obviously its a beast but most people can not afford one unless they go without eating for a while. It is only for the well off people and above or those who have no responsibilities...ie teenagers living at home with their parents who spend half their monthly income on a video card and get away with it.

blaznwiipspman1

Theres nothing wrong with the 580 but people generally dont need all that performance, and not everyone has that much amount of money to spend on a GPU, if I had the money i would buy it but for the average joe its not cost effective.

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I don't really see much hate towards it. But it's definitely not worth the money. I'd much rather get CF 6950. Same price, much better performance. jedikevin2

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="C_Rule"]I don't really see much hate towards it. But it's definitely not worth the money. I'd much rather get CF 6950. Same price, much better performance. Elann2008

Nah... if I was gonna spend the money, I would always go for the single GPU then any crossfire or sLI.. Way less problems.

Pretty much the same here. I'm rather pleased with my 460s but I'm probably going high end single GPU next time because it is less hassle even if SLI it's hard to use in general.

Haven't had a single problem in any game with my 275s in SLI for almost 2 years now, ran everything from BGII to latest games without stutter or lag or nothin' (that's why I'm going 580 SLI this week)

Probably the price, from what I've seen it looks great, and SLI them and you're in heaven.

mitu123

Have 1 and your in heaven, have two and you better be playing at 2560

I'm happy with my sli i paid 330 for pretty much what a single card would cost 500+

I don't hate the GTX 580, I just don't think it's worth it for $500. The 570 and 6970 provide plenty of performance in the games that you posted, and OVERALL the 580 is only 8-12% faster. Sure, you can find specific instances where the 580 is around 20% faster. Hell, you can overclock (or buy a pre-OC'd version) of the GTX 560 Ti that will give you 90%+ of the 580's overall performance for less than $300. I just don't see the value.

if you use a 580 or 590, you best be using a 30'' monitor or perhaps dual 30'' monitors. Most people don't need that much juice. I remember back in '06 when I jumped on the 8800 GTX bandwagon and blew $500 on that thing that barely lasted a year before much better stuff was out. Then I picked up a 4870 1gb for $120 and couldn't be happier. Nothing has strained it yet

if you use a 580 or 590, you best be using a 30'' monitor or perhaps dual 30'' monitors. Most people don't need that much juice. I remember back in '06 when I jumped on the 8800 GTX bandwagon and blew $500 on that thing that barely lasted a year before much better stuff was out. Then I picked up a 4870 1gb for $120 and couldn't be happier. Nothing has strained it yet

wis3boi

GTX 580 is about 20% faster than GTX 570 in those games, it is about 40% more expensive

Gambler_3

derp derp