Why do serious gamers buy LCD monitors.

Ok first of all i am not talking about those people who buy super expensive monitors or massive HDTV's.A CRT cant provide you with what those things have.

I am talking about people who buy the regular 19" or 21" LCD's.I mean what's the point.Those things have frustrating viewing angles and their colors are no better than a normal CRT.

But most importantly you are stuck with one resolution.That's seems crap to me.When i got my PC i could run every game maxed out in 16x12 but now crysis changes that.And ofcourse there are more games that are going to come in 2008 that may be too demanding for my PC in 16x10.I am glad i didnt buy an LCD with a crazy native resolution.I see epoeple with mid-end PC's having 20" LCD's.I mean they cant even touch playing in the native res so what's the point.

And playing in medium settings just to be able to play in the native res even though you could play in high in the lower res is just laughable.Higher resolutions are massively overrated.My monitor can do 16x12 as well as 12x10 and i honestly dont see a difference.But ofcourse in a LCD your native res is the best res unfortunately.And a CRT running at 85hz will NOT be bad for your eyes.The world had been using CRT technology for a long time and nobody went blind.

And if you say that you bought your LCD cuz it looks great then obviously you gave preference to style rather than substance.And dont tel me that it saves space cuz you wont have to clean up your entire house to make space for a CRT.And it doesnt matter that a CRT is bulky cuz you dont have to carry it while playing.And the power consumption of a monitor is only a fraction of your total power consumption so again it's neglegible.

There are many pros and cons to both... there is NO outright winner.
To each his own but there is no need to try and start a flamefest here.

There are many pros and cons to both... there is NO outright winner.
To each his own but there is no need to try and start a flamefest here.

LordEC911

I do remember the power consumption actually being a lot more compared to LCDs. They do have more colors, the only thing you can say is the blacks aren't as great. Viewing angle? Most people game in front of their monitor.......There is an outright winner to me, LCD.......well actually Plasma, but they don't make plasma monitors......... P.S. You're not stuck with one resolution, also the fact that i've never seen a Widescreen CRT makes it a no contest.X360PS3AMD05

Some PC games dont properly support widescreen the recent being gears and widescreen is not the end of the world anywyas.Well the point is simple you have to regularly upgrade your PC to keep playing games maxed out in the native res and even if you can afford that,it's just not worth it cuz you wont be getting any worse a picture by playing in a slightly lower res on a CRT and not upgrading.Higher resolutions are unnecassarily too demanding.

Well then i would suggest a 19'' 14x9 LCD. IIRC all games labeled "Game for Windows" have to support WS.X360PS3AMD05

And 14x9 on a 19" LCD would look a lot worse than 12x10 on a 17" CRT.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Well then i would suggest a 19'' 14x9 LCD. IIRC all games labeled "Game for Windows" have to support WS.Thinker_145

And 14x9 on a 19" LCD would look a lot worse than 12x10 on a 17" CRT.

And one more advantage CRT's have is that their max res is more than of a LCD of similar size which means you can get a crisprier image on a CRT than a LCD.Thinker_145

Look mate, when I purchased my LCD monitor (check sig) it seriously destroyed my old CRT monitor, the refresh rate made everyone dizzy whilst viewing the CRT, the angle at which you can see the LCD is fantastic, and the colour intensity and brightness is a class above all else. The CheeseEater has spoken, and these are my final thoughts.

Cheers.

14x9 is a lower resolution than 12x10 and 19" LCD is 3 inches bigger than 17" CRT which has a 16" viewable.So obviously the 17" will look a bit more crisprier but ok i maybe overrating this.

And yes higher resolutions are overrated but it doesnt do anything bad if you have the option of playing in them rather than a big LCD in which you can only play in the higher res which sucks.

And i plan on playing Crysis in 10x7.So agian that monitor which you suggested would limit me my options with crysis which is too bad since options is what i really like about PC gaming.

Because 95% of people are uninformed, misinformed, or in denial when it comes to picture quality - yes, even high-end PC enthusiasts. TN-panels are *undeniably* leagues behind CRT in every measure of image quality other than brightness (which the LCD achieves by sticking a high-powered lightbulb in front of your face).

The fact is that all TN-panels are 6-bit, and therefore have color banding and cannot be viewed with an even screen even *dead on* as the top and bottom of the screen is far enough apart that the eye cannot be positioned as such that the bottom, middle, and top are all of even color.

So why do people not seem to care / notice? I think they do, if you put them side-by-side with a quality monitor, it's so damn obvious what they're missing, but being in denial or taking 'good-enough' is enough rather than having to suck up the cost of a quality LCD, or conceding to crt.

Because 95% of people are uninformed, misinformed, or in denial when it comes to picture quality - yes, even high-end PC enthusiasts. TN-panels are *undeniably* leagues behind CRT in every measure of image quality other than brightness (which the LCD achieves by sticking a high-powered lightbulb in front of your face).

The fact is that all TN-panels are 6-bit, and therefore have color banding and cannot be viewed with an even screen even *dead on* as the top and bottom of the screen is far enough apart that the eye cannot be positioned as such that the bottom, middle, and top are all of even color.

So why do people not seem to care / notice? I think they do, if you put them side-by-side with a quality monitor, it's so damn obvious what they're missing, but being in denial or taking 'good-enough' is enough rather than having to suck up the cost of a quality LCD, or conceding to crt.

subrosian

Again, amen, brother. :P

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I do remember the power consumption actually being a lot more compared to LCDs. They do have more colors, the only thing you can say is the blacks aren't as great. Viewing angle? Most people game in front of their monitor.......There is an outright winner to me, LCD.......well actually Plasma, but they don't make plasma monitors......... P.S. You're not stuck with one resolution, also the fact that i've never seen a Widescreen CRT makes it a no contest.Thinker_145

Some PC games dont properly support widescreen the recent being gears and widescreen is not the end of the world anywyas.Well the point is simple you have to regularly upgrade your PC to keep playing games maxed out in the native res and even if you can afford that,it's just not worth it cuz you wont be getting any worse a picture by playing in a slightly lower res on a CRT and not upgrading.Higher resolutions are unnecassarily too demanding.

The vast majority of your argument seems to be surrounding the "fact" that LCD monitors are stuck in one resolution. The problem with that is that it's not true. Ever. I've never seen an LCD in my life (or any monitor besides TVs) that is stuck in one resolution. My 19" LCD's native resolution is 1280x1024 (which isn't some "weird resolution", anyway), but I can run it in anything from that and down, including Widescreen resolutions, they just letterbox. I've never had any problems playing games in smaller resolutions to get better settings, elsewhere. I, in fact, just finished the Crysis single-player last night, and I played that whole game at smaller resolutions with problems. I played it in 800x600 for the first bit, because my video card was overheating to all hell, and it would crap out at any higher. Then I cleaned my video card really good, and played the rest of the game through in 1024x768. No problems. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever, and I can't believe that I read 5 posts into this, and nobody had called out that fatal flaw yet. Good day.

I personally don't want my eyes frying while I surf the net, type documents or play games. That's all it takes for me to throw a CRT in the bin. Talk about colour reproduction all you want, but once you use even a midrange LCD, you don't want to look at a CRT ever again.

I also don't want to shift my desk 30cm forward just to make space for the CRT's large size.

my monitor can be viewed from all angles other then from above.but im never above monitor anyway.my monitors max res is 12*10 and there isnt a problem with me playing games at 12*10 or 10*7.

and i agree with the second post.also why even care what others buy

Got a Samsung SyncMaster 206BW,sure the view angles aren't perfect,but i can't picture myself going back to CRT.

Got a Samsung SyncMaster 206BW,sure the view angles aren't perfect,but i can't picture myself going back to CRT.

Indestructible2

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]I do remember the power consumption actually being a lot more compared to LCDs. They do have more colors, the only thing you can say is the blacks aren't as great. Viewing angle? Most people game in front of their monitor.......There is an outright winner to me, LCD.......well actually Plasma, but they don't make plasma monitors......... P.S. You're not stuck with one resolution, also the fact that i've never seen a Widescreen CRT makes it a no contest.the_bi99man

Some PC games dont properly support widescreen the recent being gears and widescreen is not the end of the world anywyas.Well the point is simple you have to regularly upgrade your PC to keep playing games maxed out in the native res and even if you can afford that,it's just not worth it cuz you wont be getting any worse a picture by playing in a slightly lower res on a CRT and not upgrading.Higher resolutions are unnecassarily too demanding.

The vast majority of your argument seems to be surrounding the "fact" that LCD monitors are stuck in one resolution. The problem with that is that it's not true. Ever. I've never seen an LCD in my life (or any monitor besides TVs) that is stuck in one resolution. My 19" LCD's native resolution is 1280x1024 (which isn't some "weird resolution", anyway), but I can run it in anything from that and down, including Widescreen resolutions, they just letterbox. I've never had any problems playing games in smaller resolutions to get better settings, elsewhere. I, in fact, just finished the Crysis single-player last night, and I played that whole game at smaller resolutions with problems. I played it in 800x600 for the first bit, because my video card was overheating to all hell, and it would crap out at any higher. Then I cleaned my video card really good, and played the rest of the game through in 1024x768. No problems. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever, and I can't believe that I read 5 posts into this, and nobody had called out that fatal flaw yet. Good day.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

Got a Samsung SyncMaster 206BW,sure the view angles aren't perfect,but i can't picture myself going back to CRT.

Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

Got a Samsung SyncMaster 206BW,sure the view angles aren't perfect,but i can't picture myself going back to CRT.

Indestructible2

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

Got a Samsung SyncMaster 206BW,sure the view angles aren't perfect,but i can't picture myself going back to CRT.

Thinker_145

i wanted a large screen and didn't feel like committing 75% of the depth of my desk to a monitor. /thread

My post is basically directed towards those who buy cheap $200-$300 LCD's and those who have really low-mid end PC's and still game on LCD's.Thinker_145

You can get an LCD with an S-IPS or MPVA type panel for $300 - and I'd definitely take one of those over a CRT monitor.

Well, I'm not a big fan of LCD's but CRT have become hard to find and basically dying sale wise. I'm still on a CRT and I wouldnt change except for the fact that I like to go to competitions and compete and since they arent using CRTs anymore I need to get an LCD so I can get used to it.

Yes, an LCD is very different, ppl told me it would take about 2 weeks to adjust to it gaming wise coming from using a CRT all my life. But I wont bash much on LCDs they are nice, its just for competitive gaming they arent exactly as technologically advance, but since its cheaper to produce, LCD's are everywhere now.

So while we need some kind of new advanced LCD technology so that it can become the absolute perfect LCD that a CRT has no pros over it still. We just have to except the fact that LCD's are the future and here to stay.

Well, I'm not a big fan of LCD's but CRT have become hard to find and basically dying sale wise. I'm still on a CRT and I wouldnt change except for the fact that I like to go to competitions and compete and since they arent using CRTs anymore I need to get an LCD so I can get used to it.

Yes, an LCD is very different, ppl told me it would take about 2 weeks to adjust to it gaming wise coming from using a CRT all my life. But I wont bash much on LCDs they are nice, its just for competitive gaming they arent exactly as technologically advance, but since its cheaper to produce, LCD's are everywhere now.

So while we need some kind of new advanced LCD technology so that it can become the absolute perfect LCD that a CRT has no pros over it still. We just have to except the fact that LCD's are the future and here to stay.

crazymonkey092

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]My post is basically directed towards those who buy cheap $200-$300 LCD's and those who have really low-mid end PC's and still game on LCD's.RayvinAzn

You can get an LCD with an S-IPS or MPVA type panel for $300 - and I'd definitely take one of those over a CRT monitor.

Name a currently produced new S-IPS panel available for $300.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]My post is basically directed towards those who buy cheap $200-$300 LCD's and those who have really low-mid end PC's and still game on LCD's.RayvinAzn

You can get an LCD with an S-IPS or MPVA type panel for $300 - and I'd definitely take one of those over a CRT monitor.

you can? i wasnt aware of any, you know something we dont?

if i could get an ips panel for 300 i would grab it in a heartbeat, but at the moment im thinking of taking the gamble with the dell 2007WFP. if i get the ips or pva panel i will be happy with it.

The native resolution is a constraint, but even when I was still using a 17 inch CRT (5+ years ago), I was always sticking to the same resolution anyway (1024*768 ). Something like 800*600 is just stupidly low by today's standards. I'd rather lower the detail than to play in such a res. Any serious player would do so I believe. Increasing the resolution does help you identify things from a distance.

That said, I don't get how people can spend 500-600$ on a video card to play on a 15 inch CRT or a 200$ LCD.

i have a 22' westinghouse LCM 22w2 with native res of 1680^1050. It only cost me $225

the viewing angles are amazing so i dont know what your talking about. 170 degrees to be exact

and i play all my games at this resoultion even crysis. And i play crysis with high settings as well. I always upgrade my gpubecause i love having the best hardware so i can always max games out. Because of thisim always able to play games at this res. It has a great response time and reviewed as being a great lcd for its retail price $500

In addition to this, it has YPbPr, S-video, composite in, ac-in, dvi-d and even a few others. So if i go on vaction its small enoughto take along with me and i can hook up my xbox 360 or even plug it in to a cable box and watch some hdtv. The contrast ratio isnt the best (700:1) but other than that i cant really see why i would want a crt over a lcd

i use both CRT anbd LCD alot....and i gotta say i perfer the LCD anyday....it has more of a clean and new-age look to it. plus it's size is a major bonus....idk what you guys are talking about this crazy viewing angles stuff....EternalMax

Not all CRT tech is big and bulky. SED displays, a spinoff of CRT, are LCD thin. Personally, I've been sticking with CRT monitors because of the image quality and the price. What I'm really looking forward to is SED monitors...if they ever get them to market. I read about them a couple years back in Maximum PC, but I'm still waiting for production models to show up. I thought they were supposed to be released last summer, but haven't heard anything as of yet. I don't suppose anyone here has heard anything? If you don't know what they are here are a couple of links...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2005/08/16/sed-technology-explained/

http://www.1touchmovie.com/flat_panel_displays.html

SED displays are a very cool concept, but im looking forward to OLED much more....once they get a few of the kinks out.

until then we will have to live with LCDs

SED displays are a very cool concept, but im looking forward to OLED much more....once they get a few of the kinks out.

until then we will have to live with LCDs

PWN-Schubie

OLED is a cool concept, if they can get the longevity issues sorted, I might give them a go. Live with LCDs? That's where you are mistaken. I'm very happy living with my CRT, thank you very much. LOL!!! :P Oh well, whatever floats a persons boat I suppose. ;)

Because 95% of people are uninformed, misinformed, or in denial when it comes to picture quality - yes, even high-end PC enthusiasts. TN-panels are *undeniably* leagues behind CRT in every measure of image quality other than brightness (which the LCD achieves by sticking a high-powered lightbulb in front of your face).

The fact is that all TN-panels are 6-bit, and therefore have color banding and cannot be viewed with an even screen even *dead on* as the top and bottom of the screen is far enough apart that the eye cannot be positioned as such that the bottom, middle, and top are all of even color.

So why do people not seem to care / notice? I think they do, if you put them side-by-side with a quality monitor, it's so damn obvious what they're missing, but being in denial or taking 'good-enough' is enough rather than having to suck up the cost of a quality LCD, or conceding to crt.

subrosian

Which is why you buy an 8 bit moniter. LIKE ME!

[QUOTE="PWN-Schubie"]

SED displays are a very cool concept, but im looking forward to OLED much more....once they get a few of the kinks out.

until then we will have to live with LCDs

Sentinel672002

OLED is a cool concept, if they can get the longevity issues sorted, I might give them a go. Live with LCDs? That's where you are mistaken. I'm very happy living with my CRT, thank you very much. LOL!!! :P Oh well, whatever floats a persons boat I suppose. ;)

hahaha, hence the work "kinks" the longevity issue is only present in the blues, so once thats fixed and aforadble im going to bed excited.

and when i said "live with LCDs" i meant as the newest technology, although CRTs do have alot over LCDs, i love my display, viewing angles, dont bother me, i sit infront of my monitor, i dont know about all these other people needing 170 degrees, mine is a tn panel, 6 bit colour, once you are used to it, you dont even notice, besides, i use it primarally for gaming, and native rez, im not worried, i run all my games maxed at 1280*1024.

and i am in the market for a seconday IPS display, considering the dell 2007WFP and if i get the PVA panel ill live with it, both beat out a tn for colour rendition and contrast.

Hey Indestructible, The Dell dimension 531 PC i'm ordering is a lot like yours, except I'm going with the dell 19" monitor and an AMD processor. How does it play games?

P.S I thing Topic creator has some good points, but he makes himself look like a raging CRT fanboy.

Hey Indestructible, The Dell dimension 531 PC i'm ordering is a lot like yours, except I'm going with the dell 19" monitor and an AMD processor. How does it play games?

P.S I thing Topic creator has some good points, but he makes himself look like a raging CRT fanboy.

gotcha455

But you'll be playing @ 1440x900 while i play @ 1680x1050,so you should get medium in Crysis and it still be playable.

Name a currently produced new S-IPS panel available for $300.

subrosian

A slight exaggeration, but you can pick up either the NEC Multisync 20WMGX2 or the HP LP2065 for around $350

[QUOTE="gotcha455"]

Hey Indestructible, The Dell dimension 531 PC i'm ordering is a lot like yours, except I'm going with the dell 19" monitor and an AMD processor. How does it play games?

P.S I thing Topic creator has some good points, but he makes himself look like a raging CRT fanboy.

Indestructible2

But you'll be playing @ 1440x900 while i play @ 1680x1050,so you should get medium in Crysis and it still be playable.

Very cool. I would definitely like to give crysis a try, and I'll be playing most of the other high-profile shooters. Thanks for the heads up. I've been using a PC w/ AMD sempron and integrated graphics, plays Far Cry 800x600 on low like 10 fps lol. Can't wait for the new machine!

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="gotcha455"]

Hey Indestructible, The Dell dimension 531 PC i'm ordering is a lot like yours, except I'm going with the dell 19" monitor and an AMD processor. How does it play games?

P.S I thing Topic creator has some good points, but he makes himself look like a raging CRT fanboy.

gotcha455

But you'll be playing @ 1440x900 while i play @ 1680x1050,so you should get medium in Crysis and it still be playable.

Very cool. I would definitely like to give crysis a try, and I'll be playing most of the other high-profile shooters. Thanks for the heads up. I've been using a PC w/ AMD sempron and integrated graphics, plays Far Cry 800x600 on low like 10 fps lol. Can't wait for the new machine!