Why do serious gamers buy LCD monitors.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Room is the reason why I got rid of my CRT. Come on, you have to be kidding me if you think CRTs dont take up that much room. Its a proven fact and the #1 reason why people upgrade to LCDs is the space savings you get. My 42" LCD only takes up 6"s of space (mainly stand, TV is 3.5" thick. where my 21" CRT left me with 6" of space. It was over 1'10" in depth. Even my old 17" CRT I still have is around a foot in depth.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

Thinker_145

Why would you need felixbility when you should be building your PC around your resolution that you use for gaming. You should be building the PC around 16x12 if you got it.

Yes its nice to have that option, but I find mainly for applications and desktop. But you can adjust with todays LCDs. My moms LCD does 19x12 and 16x10. All my friends 30" LCDs do 25x16, 19x12 and 16x10. Still looks great.

I can see if you dont have a lot of money, then you should be sticking with 12x10, cause the bigger the resolution you go, the more expensive it is to game. ITs always been like that. Like I said build your PC around your resolution. If you dont hav a lot of money, then its most likely youre on 12x10, which is easier to futureproof, then higher resolutions.

Higher resolutions mean heavier textures, heavier everything, which means longer loading times, which relates to more RAM, better or more GPUs. Which in turn goes to a sometimes better PSU. The only thing it doesnt really pull up is the CPU, cause lower resolutions is more CPU intensive. A CPU @ 3.0Ghz @ 12x10 will do you more then the 3.0Ghz @ 16x12 and 19x12

Maybe you can call 10x7 an HD resolution cuz that what 720p is.Thinker_145

1280x720 ... that's HD 720p

1920x1080 ... that's HD 1080p

I think I rather play a game with more pixels.

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Thinker_145

How i'm I getting a inferior experience?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Maybe you can call 10x7 an HD resolution cuz that what 720p is.Bebi_vegeta

1280x720 ... that's HD 720p

1920x1080 ... that's HD 1080p

I think I rather play a game with more pixels.

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Room is the reason why I got rid of my CRT. Come on, you have to be kidding me if you think CRTs dont take up that much room. Its a proven fact and the #1 reason why people upgrade to LCDs is the space savings you get. My 42" LCD only takes up 6"s of space (mainly stand, TV is 3.5" thick. where my 21" CRT left me with 6" of space. It was over 1'10" in depth. Even my old 17" CRT I still have is around a foot in depth.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

9mmSpliff

Why would you need felixbility when you should be building your PC around your resolution that you use for gaming. You should be building the PC around 16x12 if you got it.

Yes its nice to have that option, but I find mainly for applications and desktop. But you can adjust with todays LCDs. My moms LCD does 19x12 and 16x10. All my friends 30" LCDs do 25x16, 19x12 and 16x10. Still looks great.

I can see if you dont have a lot of money, then you should be sticking with 12x10, cause the bigger the resolution you go, the more expensive it is to game. ITs always been like that. Like I said build your PC around your resolution. If you dont hav a lot of money, then its most likely youre on 12x10, which is easier to futureproof, then higher resolutions.

Higher resolutions mean heavier textures, heavier everything, which means longer loading times, which relates to more RAM, better or more GPUs. Which in turn goes to a sometimes better PSU. The only thing it doesnt really pull up is the CPU, cause lower resolutions is more CPU intensive. A CPU @ 3.0Ghz @ 12x10 will do you more then the 3.0Ghz @ 16x12 and 19x12

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Maybe you can call 10x7 an HD resolution cuz that what 720p is.Thinker_145

1280x720 ... that's HD 720p

1920x1080 ... that's HD 1080p

I think I rather play a game with more pixels.

Right... @ high resolution, I don't really need to put AA.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

9mmSpliff

I just dont see the difference in 12x10 and 16x12.So why should i upgrade to keep playing in 16x12,well ya maybe to waste money.Thinker_145

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Bebi_vegeta

How i'm I getting a inferior experience?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Thinker_145

How i'm I getting a inferior experience?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

9mmSpliff

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Thinker_145

understandable. I think he was referring to his 19x12 resolution to 12x7 though.

Well actually my monitor can do 1792x1344 which is a higher resolution than 19x12.I have gamed in that res as well and still fail to see the fuss about higher resolutions.

And i also tried 10x7 and i did see alot more jaggies than in 12x10 but when i go up from that i just dont see anything significant.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

You are just mixing things up.In the movie world 720p and 1080p are the HD resolutions with 1080p being the real HD or whatever they call it.See there is a big difference between those resolutions and there is no middle one so obviously 1080p is considered the highly superior resolution.

But gaming is just different you can choose any resolution and BTW 20x16 is the best resolution in games not 1080p so you are getting an inferior experience so go upgrade your PC.

Thinker_145

How i'm I getting a inferior experience?

Yeah if i had the money i would LOL

I'd rather game in WIDESCREEEN than FULL SCREEN thank you very much.

Well actually my monitor can do 1792x1344 which is a higher resolution than 19x12.I have gamed in that res as well and still fail to see the fuss about higher resolutions.

And i also tried 10x7 and i did see alot more jaggies than in 12x10 but when i go up from that i just dont see anything significant.

Thinker_145

Well actually my monitor can do 1792x1344 which is a higher resolution than 19x12.I have gamed in that res as well and still fail to see the fuss about higher resolutions.

And i also tried 10x7 and i did see alot more jaggies than in 12x10 but when i go up from that i just dont see anything significant.

Thinker_145

Thats cause your gaming on 19" CRT. The higher the resoution the more screen you want too. Which is another reason for why LCDs have native screens

Every body has there own ideas and likes and dislikes but to me at least by far a LCD screen is way better then a lousy crt and the lcd screen is britter and better looking then your CRt ones. Also to my knowlage a CRT doesn't have a HDMI cabel ability. Besides when you watch tv on a LCD screen to your CRT screen the LCD screen wins by far.blackleather223

CRTs produce better colors and refresh rate, so in reality they are the better for TV if you had a HD CRT and HD LCD beside eachother. But since LCDs have come so far, its really hard to tell, but its knowledge we have of the CRTs, that colors and refresh rate that keep it on top. Eventho it shard to tell now-a-days on LCDs, except for blacks.

Every body has there own ideas and likes and dislikes but to me at least by far a LCD screen is way better then a lousy crt and the lcd screen is britter and better looking then your CRt ones. Also to my knowlage a CRT doesn't have a HDMI cabel ability. Besides when you watch tv on a LCD screen to your CRT screen the LCD screen wins by far.blackleather223

Jut to le you know my is a vizio lcd hdtv and it is a 32" yes not as good as some others out there but I won't know how good the hd is on this thing not until I get a HD reciever and that will be when I get Fios tv.blackleather223

Wow, I've never seen so many posts in a row that completely ignore the necessity of gaming at lower resolutions. Older games don't support widescreen gaming (many *cannot* even with registry hacks), and certain titles are only fullscreen (such as Battlefield 2142). Plus, realistically, is not financially feasable for most people to upgrade their PCs often enough to maintain high-resolutions in every game they buy.

Unless you have a monitor that supports 1:1 pixel mapping (or better yet pixel-perfect scaling), the end result is something that looks like crap, especially for older games like Starcraft and Fallout 2. Of course, this is something that is *not* available in most TN-panel monitors (or at least, not in price ranges where buying TN makes sense).

In any case, without 1:1 you wind up with a situation where scaling occurs, and it just doesn't look good.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Well actually my monitor can do 1792x1344 which is a higher resolution than 19x12.I have gamed in that res as well and still fail to see the fuss about higher resolutions.

And i also tried 10x7 and i did see alot more jaggies than in 12x10 but when i go up from that i just dont see anything significant.

achilles614

1920x1200=2304000.

Wow, I've never seen so many posts in a row that completely ignore the necessity of gaming at lower resolutions. Older games don't support widescreen gaming (many *cannot* even with registry hacks), and certain titles are only fullscreen (such as Battlefield 2142). Plus, realistically, is not financially feasable for most people to upgrade their PCs often enough to maintain high-resolutions in every game they buy.

subrosian

Because I'd have no physical space for a CRT, and there is no such thing as a widescreen CRT.codezer0

The Sony GDM-FW900 begs to differ.

Unfortunately they're not manufactured anymore, and buying a used on is not a great idea, as (like with any monitor) a few years of 12 hour a day usage in the pro-studios that owned them was enough to wear them out.

[QUOTE="codezer0"]Because I'd have no physical space for a CRT, and there is no such thing as a widescreen CRT.subrosian

The Sony GDM-FW900 begs to differ.

The reason why I use LCD monitors from CRTS is because LCDs save up alot of desk space, the screen is sharper and more crisp, my eyes love it, and the games I play look amazing.

Other reasons is LCDs do save your eyes from strain and they use up less power so it will save you money. There was a fact I heard a long time ago about if all of Japan would switch over to LCD monitors, they would be able to knock down four power plants.

Every body has there own ideas and likes and dislikes but to me at least by far a LCD screen is way better then a lousy crt and the lcd screen is britter and better looking then your CRt ones. Also to my knowlage a CRT doesn't have a HDMI cabel ability. Besides when you watch tv on a LCD screen to your CRT screen the LCD screen wins by far.blackleather223

Wow, I've never seen so many posts in a row that completely ignore the necessity of gaming at lower resolutions. Older games don't support widescreen gaming (many *cannot* even with registry hacks), and certain titles are only fullscreen (such as Battlefield 2142). Plus, realistically, is not financially feasable for most people to upgrade their PCs often enough to maintain high-resolutions in every game they buy.

Unless you have a monitor that supports 1:1 pixel mapping (or better yet pixel-perfect scaling), the end result is something that looks like crap, especially for older games like Starcraft and Fallout 2. Of course, this is something that is *not* available in most TN-panel monitors (or at least, not in price ranges where buying TN makes sense).

In any case, without 1:1 you wind up with a situation where scaling occurs, and it just doesn't look good.

subrosian

1:1 pixel mapping and fixed aspect ratio scaling are options available in nvidia and ati drivers these days. You don't even need a monitor to support that anymore.

Some games are like Lost Planet are only widescreen.

Thinker, what the hell's the point of your thread? To slag people off for not having the best & most expensive hardware possible for gaming?

Yes we all know you can spend twice as much on an awesome gaming monitor. Does that mean you're not a serious gamer if you decide to spend half that amount on a cheap 20" TN LCD?

Why do you not have a quad core CPU? No 8800GTX SLI? No 4GB DDR3 RAM? No 10k RPM HDD? Gee, you must not be a serious gamer, because all those things will give you a much better performance than your current rig. This same logic applies to spending $400+ on a good CRT when you can spend 1/2 of that on an equal-sized LCD.

Thinker, what the hell's the point of your thread? To slag people off for not having the best & most expensive hardware possible for gaming?

Yes we all know you can spend twice as much on an awesome gaming monitor. Does that mean you're not a serious gamer if you decide to spend half that amount on a cheap 20" TN LCD?

Why do you not have a quad core CPU? No 8800GTX SLI? No 4GB DDR3 RAM? No 10k RPM HDD? Gee, you must not be a serious gamer, because all those things will give you a much better performance than your current rig. This same logic applies to spending $400+ on a good CRT when you can spend 1/2 of that on an equal-sized LCD.

F1_2004

I got a 17" CRT which cost me $130.:|

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

Thinker, what the hell's the point of your thread? To slag people off for not having the best & most expensive hardware possible for gaming?

Yes we all know you can spend twice as much on an awesome gaming monitor. Does that mean you're not a serious gamer if you decide to spend half that amount on a cheap 20" TN LCD?

Why do you not have a quad core CPU? No 8800GTX SLI? No 4GB DDR3 RAM? No 10k RPM HDD? Gee, you must not be a serious gamer, because all those things will give you a much better performance than your current rig. This same logic applies to spending $400+ on a good CRT when you can spend 1/2 of that on an equal-sized LCD.

Thinker_145

I got a 17" CRT which cost me $130.:|

Thats a really really small display, I would go at least 19 inch even for a crt..

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]

Thinker, what the hell's the point of your thread? To slag people off for not having the best & most expensive hardware possible for gaming?

Yes we all know you can spend twice as much on an awesome gaming monitor. Does that mean you're not a serious gamer if you decide to spend half that amount on a cheap 20" TN LCD?

Why do you not have a quad core CPU? No 8800GTX SLI? No 4GB DDR3 RAM? No 10k RPM HDD? Gee, you must not be a serious gamer, because all those things will give you a much better performance than your current rig. This same logic applies to spending $400+ on a good CRT when you can spend 1/2 of that on an equal-sized LCD.

sSubZerOo

I got a 17" CRT which cost me $130.:|

Thats a really really small display, I would go at least 19 inch even for a crt..

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

Thinker, what the hell's the point of your thread? To slag people off for not having the best & most expensive hardware possible for gaming?

Yes we all know you can spend twice as much on an awesome gaming monitor. Does that mean you're not a serious gamer if you decide to spend half that amount on a cheap 20" TN LCD?

Why do you not have a quad core CPU? No 8800GTX SLI? No 4GB DDR3 RAM? No 10k RPM HDD? Gee, you must not be a serious gamer, because all those things will give you a much better performance than your current rig. This same logic applies to spending $400+ on a good CRT when you can spend 1/2 of that on an equal-sized LCD.

Thinker_145

I got a 17" CRT which cost me $130.:|

So, in essence, you're arguing about image quality, and you're using a little box of a monitor through which to enjoy said quality.

:|

Mm I just recently bought a 22' LCD monitor from my 19' Samsung.. I prefer the LCD, it doesn't take up as much room which is very nice, and its a much larger monitor.. I like the widescreen as well.. To be honest I do not notice a huge difference between the two.. Yes I put them side by side and had dual monitors and swapped both images.. The CRT did look better in color by alittle.. But I thought the color difference was pretty negliable when compared to the much larger screen... Even with the TN panel I have looked indepth in both games (bioshock) and just regular black screen.. There is very very little black light bleed that is hardly noticable. That being said I am by no means saying its better, I my self just prefer the LCD over the CRT now a days. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]

Thinker, what the hell's the point of your thread? To slag people off for not having the best & most expensive hardware possible for gaming?

Yes we all know you can spend twice as much on an awesome gaming monitor. Does that mean you're not a serious gamer if you decide to spend half that amount on a cheap 20" TN LCD?

Why do you not have a quad core CPU? No 8800GTX SLI? No 4GB DDR3 RAM? No 10k RPM HDD? Gee, you must not be a serious gamer, because all those things will give you a much better performance than your current rig. This same logic applies to spending $400+ on a good CRT when you can spend 1/2 of that on an equal-sized LCD.

F1_2004

I got a 17" CRT which cost me $130.:|

So, in essence, you're arguing about image quality, and you're using a little box of a monitor through which to enjoy said quality.

:|