Why do serious gamers buy LCD monitors.

subrosian,if you prefer CRT overmost LCD's,GOOD FOR YOU,but if these people like their TN panels over their old CRT's,why do you bother flaming what they like,i for one don't notice any color difference between my old E773 CRT and my Samsung 20",only real problem (To me) is the viewing angles,but i'm looking straight into it anyway's so that isn't a big deal.

If you can tell a huge color difference between some average CRT and a $200 19" or 20" LCD,GOOD FOR YOU,not everyone has the same damn eyes as you do.

People have different taste in things,if you can't respect that,you'll just be showing how close-minded you really are.

Indestructible2

It is impossible not to see the color banding, poor color accuracy, and color shifting on TN panels. It is fully within a delta where even half-blind old ladies could (in person) have the problems pointed out to them.

This isn't a matter of taste - there's nothing closed-minded about demanding a device perform the function it is built for well. You wouldn't accept a car with only one wheel, so why do you accept a monitor with 16.5 million colors missing? It's not a matter of "taste". It's a matter of accepting junk being sold at a price point that was once home to quality.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

subrosian,if you prefer CRT overmost LCD's,GOOD FOR YOU,but if these people like their TN panels over their old CRT's,why do you bother flaming what they like,i for one don't notice any color difference between my old E773 CRT and my Samsung 20",only real problem (To me) is the viewing angles,but i'm looking straight into it anyway's so that isn't a big deal.

If you can tell a huge color difference between some average CRT and a $200 19" or 20" LCD,GOOD FOR YOU,not everyone has the same damn eyes as you do.

People have different taste in things,if you can't respect that,you'll just be showing how close-minded you really are.

subrosian

It is impossible not to see the color banding, poor color accuracy, and color shifting on TN panels. It is fully within a delta where even half-blind old ladies could (in person) have the problems pointed out to them.

This isn't a matter of taste - there's nothing closed-minded about demanding a device perform the function it is built for well. You wouldn't accept a car with only one wheel, so why do you accept a monitor with 16.5 million colors missing? It's not a matter of "taste". It's a matter of accepting junk being sold at a price point that was once home to quality.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

subrosian,if you prefer CRT overmost LCD's,GOOD FOR YOU,but if these people like their TN panels over their old CRT's,why do you bother flaming what they like,i for one don't notice any color difference between my old E773 CRT and my Samsung 20",only real problem (To me) is the viewing angles,but i'm looking straight into it anyway's so that isn't a big deal.

If you can tell a huge color difference between some average CRT and a $200 19" or 20" LCD,GOOD FOR YOU,not everyone has the same damn eyes as you do.

People have different taste in things,if you can't respect that,you'll just be showing how close-minded you really are.

subrosian

It is impossible not to see the color banding, poor color accuracy, and color shifting on TN panels. It is fully within a delta where even half-blind old ladies could (in person) have the problems pointed out to them.

This isn't a matter of taste - there's nothing closed-minded about demanding a device perform the function it is built for well. You wouldn't accept a car with only one wheel, so why do you accept a monitor with 16.5 million colors missing? It's not a matter of "taste". It's a matter of accepting junk being sold at a price point that was once home to quality.

Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.Indestructible2

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"] Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.subrosian

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Let me guess,thats TN panel too? (I don't know how to find out)

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"] Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.subrosian

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Is there a place where i can compare different panels?

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"] Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.Indestructible2

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Let me guess,thats TN panel too? (I don't know how to find out)

sure is.

and a good place to compare panel types is http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm

you can search by panel type or model and so fourth.

cheers.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"] Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.PWN-Schubie

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Let me guess,thats TN panel too? (I don't know how to find out)

sure is.

and a good place to compare panel types is http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm

you can search by panel type or model and so fourth.

cheers.

Nice find!

So the Dell 2407wfp is pretty good for it's price.

This may sound dumb but what does TFT mean, is it a panel type or a generic term used to describe LCDS? More specifically Active Matrix TFT. Or this would help a lot better http://tech.yahoo.com/ps/hp-f1905/1991776427 what kinda panel does that use?achilles614

TFT stands for Thin-Film Transistor.

All computer monitors are active-matrix TFT LCD panels (that's a mouthful). There are three main types of LCD panels used in computer monitors:

TN (twisted nematic)

-only 6-bit (poor color)

-very limited vertical viewing angles (darkening, lightening)

-deceptive response times

MVA (multi-domain vertical alignment)

-good color (8-bit)

-poor blacks (black crush)

-slow response between similar shades (ghosting)

IPS (in-plane switching)

-best color (8-bit)

-excellent viewing angles

-good image stability

-best all around LCD panel

You'll hear terms like PVA, S-IPS, P-MVA, et cetera, but essentially the root technology in all TN, VA, and IPS panels is the same, regardless of what additional terms are added to them, S-IPS is an enhanced panel based on IPS. Essentially MVA and IPS are the two panels types you'll want to buy, as TN has 6-bit color.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"] Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.Bebi_vegeta

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Is there a place where i can compare different panels?

Try googling any panel you're considering and looking for photo editing forums. Also AVS and HardOCP are useful, especially for Dell's panel lottery...

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"] Alright then,if my Samsung has 16.5 million colors missing,then show me a 20" that DOES have all 16.7 million colors for under $300 and i'll be very happy.Indestructible2

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Let me guess,thats TN panel too? (I don't know how to find out)

Yessir that is a TN panel. The viewing angles are a dead giveaway. Keep in mind 160/160 is deceptive too, TN panels are measured by a fall of 10, whereas every other panel type (IPS, MVA) is measured by 5. This is kind of how marketing companies changed how they measured response time, so that they could have "5ms" and "2ms" TN panels, when in reality 8ms IPS panels have less ghosting - they simply didn't measure full-spectrum, only the fastest times.

To OTP, my simple reason is indeed size. I have 24inch wide screen Dell LCD monitor. Imagine it is a CRT. OMG, the box will be so thick that the screen will be so close to me. Then, I will have to sit on my bed because there no more room.

2nd important reason is the radiation. I seriosuly don't want to increase eye cancer looking at radio active CRT monitor. LCD has no radiation since it is only a lamp with crystal filter.

3rd, I really don't see too much difference from the color. I still feel my monitor looks really sharp and colorful. There is no reason to stay with a bulky box when the color trade off is so little for me. Yeah sure it is not like Samsung 25K contrast ratio LCD HDTV, but I am ok with it.

Anyway, all in all, certain expensive fancy brand actually gets burn-in. Incredible, LCD wasn't suppose to get butn-in. Never trust the brand name, read reviews first.

magicalclick

... CRTs don't cause eye cancer. That was a falsification circulated by LCD manufacturers to help kill off CRT and drive LCD sales. In fact, the backlight in LCD is far worse for you, it's the equivelant of staring directly into a lightbulb for hours on end.

In any case, look at how a CRT is made sometime - the front is inch-thick leaded glass. As the CRT produces *no* x-ray or other dangerous radiation (radioactive? do you mean the mild electromagnetic radiation that *all* electronics produce?). In any case, even if there *were* something in the cathode-ray, your eyes are shielded by *inch think leaded glass* - what you're looking at is a phosphor coating being illuminated by the beam, which again, you're looking at through seriously thick protective covering.

To OTP, my simple reason is indeed size. I have 24inch wide screen Dell LCD monitor. Imagine it is a CRT. OMG, the box will be so thick that the screen will be so close to me. Then, I will have to sit on my bed because there no more room.

2nd important reason is the radiation. I seriosuly don't want to increase eye cancer looking at radio active CRT monitor. LCD has no radiation since it is only a lamp with crystal filter.

3rd, I really don't see too much difference from the color. I still feel my monitor looks really sharp and colorful. There is no reason to stay with a bulky box when the color trade off is so little for me. Yeah sure it is not like Samsung 25K contrast ratio LCD HDTV, but I am ok with it.

Anyway, all in all, certain expensive fancy brand actually gets burn-in. Incredible, LCD wasn't suppose to get butn-in. Never trust the brand name, read reviews first.

magicalclick

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Lack of desk space is a joke.I am pretty sure you can arrange something to keep your CRT on and it's just a one time cost and hassle and i guess since we spend thousands on gaming,gaming is alot more important to u people than some lack of desk space.

But unfortunately people will try to defend their purchases of LCD's.

Bebi_vegeta

Lack of desk is a joke?

There's really no possible way a 19" CRT could fit on my desk with a confortable viewing distance.

If i had the space for a bigger desk I would!!! Don't you think i taught about that first?

subrosian,if you prefer CRT overmost LCD's,GOOD FOR YOU,but if these people like their TN panels over their old CRT's,why do you bother flaming what they like,i for one don't notice any color difference between my old E773 CRT and my Samsung 20",only real problem (To me) is the viewing angles,but i'm looking straight into it anyway's so that isn't a big deal.

If you can tell a huge color difference between some average CRT and a $200 19" or 20" LCD,GOOD FOR YOU,not everyone has the same damn eyes as you do.

People have different taste in things,if you can't respect that,you'll just be showing how close-minded you really are.

Indestructible2

He is more open-minded then most ppl on this topic together.....

I have a LCD monitor because it takes up less space on my desk.. :P

I can remember the old "15 CRT i had :lol: was terrible.


I have noticed that when i am using some of the older PCs at my tech they seem blurry and sometimes give me a head ache .. i think its becasue im used to the LCDs



ajc_176

same, the CRT is just too big for me so the lcd is much better choise

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Lack of desk space is a joke.I am pretty sure you can arrange something to keep your CRT on and it's just a one time cost and hassle and i guess since we spend thousands on gaming,gaming is alot more important to u people than some lack of desk space.

But unfortunately people will try to defend their purchases of LCD's.

Thinker_145

Lack of desk is a joke?

There's really no possible way a 19" CRT could fit on my desk with a confortable viewing distance.

If i had the space for a bigger desk I would!!! Don't you think i taught about that first?

Do you even know how big a 19" CRT is ? I got a 24" LCD... Jesus can't you just understand people don't have the space, my computer wasint in my room before LCD.

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

subrosian

Sorry but that just isn't true. S-IPS and VA panels were always expensive. I got myself a 19 inch VA panel2.5 years ago for over 500$and a 17 inch IPS panel 5 years agofor over 900$.I also have a 22 inch TN panel I bought some months ago for only 350$. Prices keep lowering.

Here is 20 inch VA panel for under 400$. It's the firstmodel that shows up in Newegg. You just aren't looking.

In the technology world, it's not the best tech thatusually wins, but rather the cheapest.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Gog

Sorry but that just isn't true. S-IPS and VA panels were always expensive. I got myself a 19 inch VA panel2.5 years ago for over 500$and a 17 inch IPS panel 5 years agofor over 900$.I also have a 22 inch TN panel I bought some months ago for only 350$. Prices keep lowering.

Here is 20 inch VA panel for under 400$. It's the firstmodel that shows up in Newegg. You just aren't looking.

In the technology world, it's not the best tech thatusually wins, but rather the cheapest.

Dell 2007WFP

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Lack of desk space is a joke.I am pretty sure you can arrange something to keep your CRT on and it's just a one time cost and hassle and i guess since we spend thousands on gaming,gaming is alot more important to u people than some lack of desk space.

But unfortunately people will try to defend their purchases of LCD's.

Bebi_vegeta

Lack of desk is a joke?

There's really no possible way a 19" CRT could fit on my desk with a confortable viewing distance.

If i had the space for a bigger desk I would!!! Don't you think i taught about that first?

Do you even know how big a 19" CRT is ? I got a 24" LCD... Jesus can't you just understand people don't have the space, my computer wasint in my room before LCD.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Lack of desk space is a joke.I am pretty sure you can arrange something to keep your CRT on and it's just a one time cost and hassle and i guess since we spend thousands on gaming,gaming is alot more important to u people than some lack of desk space.

But unfortunately people will try to defend their purchases of LCD's.

Thinker_145

Lack of desk is a joke?

There's really no possible way a 19" CRT could fit on my desk with a confortable viewing distance.

If i had the space for a bigger desk I would!!! Don't you think i taught about that first?

Do you even know how big a 19" CRT is ? I got a 24" LCD... Jesus can't you just understand people don't have the space, my computer wasint in my room before LCD.

OMG!!!!

Do you even know how big the 19" CRT is?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002280

Dimensions (W×H×D) document.write(neg_specification_newline('17.6" x 17.8" x 18.7"')); 17.6" x 17.8" x 18.7"

I don't have enough D space to have a conforatble view.

And yes i want to play at 1920x1200.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I wish I could. Twelve months ago I knew of a couple monitors that were 21" widescreens for around $300 ~ $350 that were PVA or MVA panels... I don't know of any monitors below 22" that are still in production that aren't TN, and there is only one 22" non-TN monitor that I know of, made by Lenovo.

I wasn't kidding when I said this happened in the space of two years - we blinked, the market jumped, and suddenly the entry-price for non-TN is now $600.

If you can find my some non-TN monitors for under $500 ~$600 I'd be thrilled, but I don't know of any under $300.

Gog

Sorry but that just isn't true. S-IPS and VA panels were always expensive. I got myself a 19 inch VA panel2.5 years ago for over 500$and a 17 inch IPS panel 5 years agofor over 900$.I also have a 22 inch TN panel I bought some months ago for only 350$. Prices keep lowering.

Here is 20 inch VA panel for under 400$. It's the firstmodel that shows up in Newegg. You just aren't looking.

In the technology world, it's not the best tech thatusually wins, but rather the cheapest.

That monitor is over $500 after shipping, you then wait three months for a mail-in-rebate.

You know better than this Gog. And no, you are incorrect on this information. Gateway had a VA-panel 21" widescreen available for $300 in Best Buy last year, that model has since been discontinued in favor of TN-panel monitors that are retailed for about $30 less. Consumer win? I think not.

And prices don't "keep lowering" you're comparing incomparable products on price. You paid $350 for a vastly inferior product.

Room is the reason why I got rid of my CRT. Come on, you have to be kidding me if you think CRTs dont take up that much room. Its a proven fact and the #1 reason why people upgrade to LCDs is the space savings you get. My 42" LCD only takes up 6"s of space (mainly stand, TV is 3.5" thick. where my 21" CRT left me with 6" of space. It was over 1'10" in depth. Even my old 17" CRT I still have is around a foot in depth.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

9mmSpliff

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Lack of desk space is a joke.I am pretty sure you can arrange something to keep your CRT on and it's just a one time cost and hassle and i guess since we spend thousands on gaming,gaming is alot more important to u people than some lack of desk space.

But unfortunately people will try to defend their purchases of LCD's.

Bebi_vegeta

Lack of desk is a joke?

There's really no possible way a 19" CRT could fit on my desk with a confortable viewing distance.

If i had the space for a bigger desk I would!!! Don't you think i taught about that first?

Do you even know how big a 19" CRT is ? I got a 24" LCD... Jesus can't you just understand people don't have the space, my computer wasint in my room before LCD.

OMG!!!!

Do you even know how big the 19" CRT is?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002280

Dimensions (W×H×D) document.write(neg_specification_newline('17.6" x 17.8" x 18.7"')); 17.6" x 17.8" x 18.7"

I don't have enough D space to have a conforatble view.

And yes i want to play at 1920x1200.

Room is the reason why I got rid of my CRT. Come on, you have to be kidding me if you think CRTs dont take up that much room. Its a proven fact and the #1 reason why people upgrade to LCDs is the space savings you get. My 42" LCD only takes up 6"s of space (mainly stand, TV is 3.5" thick. where my 21" CRT left me with 6" of space. It was over 1'10" in depth. Even my old 17" CRT I still have is around a foot in depth.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

9mmSpliff

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

Lack of desk space is a joke.I am pretty sure you can arrange something to keep your CRT on and it's just a one time cost and hassle and i guess since we spend thousands on gaming,gaming is alot more important to u people than some lack of desk space.

But unfortunately people will try to defend their purchases of LCD's.

Thinker_145

Lack of desk is a joke?

There's really no possible way a 19" CRT could fit on my desk with a confortable viewing distance.

If i had the space for a bigger desk I would!!! Don't you think i taught about that first?

Do you even know how big a 19" CRT is ? I got a 24" LCD... Jesus can't you just understand people don't have the space, my computer wasint in my room before LCD.

OMG!!!!

Do you even know how big the 19" CRT is?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002280

Dimensions (W×H×D) document.write(neg_specification_newline('17.6" x 17.8" x 18.7"')); 17.6" x 17.8" x 18.7"

I don't have enough D space to have a conforatble view.

And yes i want to play at 1920x1200.

Euhhh why do you think i chosed the widescrean? 1920x1200 native resolution.

And having a S-video is a nice feature aswell.

Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Thinker_145

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Room is the reason why I got rid of my CRT. Come on, you have to be kidding me if you think CRTs dont take up that much room. Its a proven fact and the #1 reason why people upgrade to LCDs is the space savings you get. My 42" LCD only takes up 6"s of space (mainly stand, TV is 3.5" thick. where my 21" CRT left me with 6" of space. It was over 1'10" in depth. Even my old 17" CRT I still have is around a foot in depth.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

Thinker_145

Why would you need felixbility when you should be building your PC around your resolution that you use for gaming. You should be building the PC around 16x12 if you got it.

Yes its nice to have that option, but I find mainly for applications and desktop. But you can adjust with todays LCDs. My moms LCD does 19x12 and 16x10. All my friends 30" LCDs do 25x16, 19x12 and 16x10. Still looks great.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Bebi_vegeta

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

And if you think that by playing games in super resolutions you are getting a far superior experience than you are highly mistaken and only wasting your money by keeping your PC up to date to run games in crazy resolutions.Thinker_145

Yeah i guess VGA resolution is wayyyyyy better!

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Thinker_145

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Room is the reason why I got rid of my CRT. Come on, you have to be kidding me if you think CRTs dont take up that much room. Its a proven fact and the #1 reason why people upgrade to LCDs is the space savings you get. My 42" LCD only takes up 6"s of space (mainly stand, TV is 3.5" thick. where my 21" CRT left me with 6" of space. It was over 1'10" in depth. Even my old 17" CRT I still have is around a foot in depth.

Just drop thesubject, people know that CRTs produce better color, but that means nothing in reality, cause its not killing me in frags and not hurting me when you play games. Infact in the cyber cafes in Western CAnada and in Korea, they all use LCDs. So that just shows that LCD is taking over. The quality is there too.

yes CRTs produce better response time (not noticeable on todays LCDs), they have better quality color, but they are also way more expensive to produce, way more heat, more power, harder on the eyes, take up more space

9mmSpliff

Why would you need felixbility when you should be building your PC around your resolution that you use for gaming. You should be building the PC around 16x12 if you got it.

Yes its nice to have that option, but I find mainly for applications and desktop. But you can adjust with todays LCDs. My moms LCD does 19x12 and 16x10. All my friends 30" LCDs do 25x16, 19x12 and 16x10. Still looks great.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Bebi_vegeta

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Bebi_vegeta

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Thinker_145

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

LOL ok then was is the real HD.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.9mmSpliff

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Bebi_vegeta

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

LOL ok then was is the real HD.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Look at the consoles.They have scaler chips to deal with the native resolution thing and you PC gamers ignore how much you are sacrifying with having only one resolution to game in.Thinker_145

But there is only one resolution i want to game ... HD resolution.

Well if you compare 1080p then yes it looks alot like 1920x1200.

LOL ok then was is the real HD.

Euh according to you?