Why do serious gamers buy LCD monitors.

How do you even notice this while playing games?

Bebi_vegeta

I just do, especially with shadows or darker wall textures, it really jumps out at me.

And no, banding. As in, instead of a smooth gradient, it's divided - you'll see a slight line where the color "changes" - you shouldn't be seeing that, because these are "smooth" gradients". Well, I see shade transitions especially in blues, greens, and greys even on 8-bit panels, but you should notice it on 6-bit panels fairly distinctly.

this thread shouldn't exist. this is like arguing over chocolate and vanilla. preference! duh. leave it.blazethe1

I wish it was a matter of preference, but for TN-Film it's really not. For S-IPS vs CRT yes, that would be more of a preference issue, with trading a few flaws for a few other flaws (at least with good IPS).

I agree that a bad LCD monitor is awful. My roomate's cheap widescreen TN panel looks really faded and the colors sucks. I know that a really nice CRT is excellent, but they also weigh close to 100 lbs for larger screens. Judging from my eyes, my SyncMaster 940BW looks much better than my old CRT Syncmaster. I'm not sure why there is such vast differences in TN panels, but I would hardly say my LCD looks like the awful mess that the CRT zealots are claiming. Plus, I got an excellent price for mine. For me, the space saving, brightness, and widescreen ratios are worth what little in image quality I sacrifice.GTZ2k3

Your 940bw uses a higher quality film than a no-brand LCD panel, and likely a higher grade panel (even if it is TN). I personally would probably not be able to stand using it but it will have *fewer* really gross artifacts, and a better backlight, than a very cheapy monitor.

Which is why you're seeing such a vast difference from yours to your roommates - Samsung is at least trying to make the most of the technology (aka be the best TN monitor) as opposed to being a generic TN monitor.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How do you even notice this while playing games?

subrosian

I just do, especially with shadows or darker wall textures, it really jumps out at me.

And no, banding. As in, instead of a smooth gradient, it's divided - you'll see a slight line where the color "changes" - you shouldn't be seeing that, because these are "smooth" gradients". Well, I see shade transitions especially in blues, greens, and greys even on 8-bit panels, but you should notice it on 6-bit panels fairly distinctly.

Even if i have an 8bit panel... I have the A00 revision of the dell 24", so I see them when the picture is not moving, but it's not that bad... but while I play fast action game online... there's no way I can notice.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How do you even notice this while playing games?

subrosian

I just do, especially with shadows or darker wall textures, it really jumps out at me.

And no, banding. As in, instead of a smooth gradient, it's divided - you'll see a slight line where the color "changes" - you shouldn't be seeing that, because these are "smooth" gradients". Well, I see shade transitions especially in blues, greens, and greys even on 8-bit panels, but you should notice it on 6-bit panels fairly distinctly.

Out of curiosity, do you have a CRT and TN monitor? And what brand/specs are they? I've got a CRT at work and a TN at home, and the difference between the two is far less than you make it seem.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

How the f*** is this topic still alive?

LCD:
+ Small form factor
+ Low power consumption
+ Easy on the eyes
- Lower colour reproduction then CRT
- Expensive

CRT:
+ High colour reproduction
+ Scalable resolutions
- Burns the eyes
- High power consumption
- Not ergonomic

The fact that it burns the eyes puts CRT's out of consideration for gaming. Who the hell wants to squint and strain their eyes while playing games?

Further, I don't think many people really give a damn or notice the difference between 10 billion colours on screen or 16 billion colours. :|

subrosian

262,144 colors vs 16,700,000 colors - big difference.

CRTs don't burn. LCDs are *far* worse for your eyes, you are starring at an always-on backlight.

You also don't seem to get this isn't about LCD vs CRT. This is about *one type* of LCD (TN-Film) being a vastly inferior technology compared to VA / IPS LCD and CRT technology.

So you're taking examples from the worst LCD panel and comparing it to the best CRT screens? :|

Wow. Do you want a prize?

That's like comparing an 8400 GS (worst LCD) to an X1950 XTX (best CRT)...

You also missed the entire point of this thread. This thread discusses why gamers choose LCD over CRT. They choose LCD because it's much much easier to look at compared to CRT and it's more ergonomic.

I can't argue the point of LCD's doing more damage to the eyes, as I admit I do not specialise in this field. However, common sense and logic would disagree with your claim as straining the eyes while looking at a rapidly refrshed image can no way be good for the eyes. If I have to strain to see something, then my eye muscles are being strained and I bet it's not very healthy to do so, for an hour straight.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How do you even notice this while playing games?

F1_2004

I just do, especially with shadows or darker wall textures, it really jumps out at me.

And no, banding. As in, instead of a smooth gradient, it's divided - you'll see a slight line where the color "changes" - you shouldn't be seeing that, because these are "smooth" gradients". Well, I see shade transitions especially in blues, greens, and greys even on 8-bit panels, but you should notice it on 6-bit panels fairly distinctly.

Out of curiosity, do you have a CRT and TN monitor? And what brand/specs are they? I've got a CRT at work and a TN at home, and the difference between the two is far less than you make it seem.

Exactly.

My school's digital workroom computers are all fitted with CRT's, while the typical web browser desktop are all cheap TN panel LCD's.

I do not notice a large difference between the two.

Certainly, the CRT produces more vivid colours, but it is not pleasant to look at for long periods of time (e.g. web browsing and *GAMING*).

You're arguing a moot point.

[QUOTE="domke13"]You simply CANT CANT CANT look "STRAIGHT INTO THE MONITOR" all the time when you play games. And at TN panel even SMALLEST vertical head move will EVEN MORE DESTROY already crap colours.Indestructible2

Enjoy being IGNORANT to the FACTS?

TN panel doesnt have 16.7 milion colours. Its really hard for ANYONE to belive that you dont move your head when looking at monitor. Belive me i tried every panel so far. My dad has TN panel and i myself use AS-IPS panel. I had VA panel before in 1 LCD. And i must tell you. Difference betwen VA and AS-IPS i use now was big. Leave TN panel on side here, since its not even worth comparing TN and AS-IPS... Btw i often used my dads TN panel sometime, and i must tell you even smallest move of head ruins already crap colours. And now dont tell me that you are robot and that you look at SAME STRAIGHT ANGLE FOR HOURS AND HOURS (basicly that means you dont even move yourself for hours).

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I'm terribly sorry then, you might want to check with an optometrist to see if there's something that can be done. You either have a fair degree of color blindness (quite possible if you're male - check with an optometrist first) or you have some damage to the nervous structure of the eye or visual centers of the brain that's preventing you from discerning colors properly.

If you're looking at this site on my monitor, there's a smooth black to light gray gradient on either side of the forum (centered in the screen). If you're looking on a 6-bit monitor, that has significant banding (it looks chunky). If you are unable to see that banding on a 6-bit monitor, you're one of the unfortunate men cursed with a genetic defect. Have your girlfriend take a look at it, she's much more likely to be able to see it, if for some reason you are unable to.

Indestructible2

I'll do you a favor,i'll leave this thread for good,i know i can be ignorant,but you have FAR surpassed me in ignorance.

He "FAR" surpassed you in facts.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

[QUOTE="domke13"]You simply CANT CANT CANT look "STRAIGHT INTO THE MONITOR" all the time when you play games. And at TN panel even SMALLEST vertical head move will EVEN MORE DESTROY already crap colours.domke13

Enjoy being IGNORANT to the FACTS?

First mistake you made. TN panel doesnt have 16.7 milion colours. Ok? It has around 256,000 colours. Its really hard for ANYONE to belive that you dont move your head when looking at monitor. Belive me i tried every panel so far. My dad has TN panel and i myself use AS-IPS panel. I had VA panel before in 1 LCD. And i must tell you. Difference betwen VA and AS-IPS i use now was big. Leave TN panel on side here, since its not even worth comparing TN and AS-IPS... Btw i often used my dads TN panel sometime, and i must tell you even smallest move of head ruins already crap colours. And now dont tell me that you are robot and that you look at SAME STRAIGHT ANGLE FOR HOURS AND HOURS (basicly that means you dont even move yourself for hours).

YOU HAVE AN AS-IPS MONITOR! Wow, you must be happy with that. I am looking at getting either a $265 LCD203WXM, which I believe is a high quality TN or a P-MVA (can't find out) or a $500 2070NX, which is a S-IPS. I will have to keep looking for a good option that is in the middle.

I mostly do web design (coding, graphics for web, Flash, etc.) with some 3D rendering (for, you guessed it, web sites) and a little gaming. Color does come into play, but the question is how much.

The CRT's that I am using now are all washed out, have poor contrast, and/or cut really bad, but do show nice gradients with out banding except for one.

I don't see what is wrong with a TN pannel. I just wouldn't pair a cheap one with a $1000 computer - do it justice.

[QUOTE="domke13"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

[QUOTE="domke13"]You simply CANT CANT CANT look "STRAIGHT INTO THE MONITOR" all the time when you play games. And at TN panel even SMALLEST vertical head move will EVEN MORE DESTROY already crap colours.jed-at-war

Enjoy being IGNORANT to the FACTS?

First mistake you made. TN panel doesnt have 16.7 milion colours. Ok? It has around 256,000 colours. Its really hard for ANYONE to belive that you dont move your head when looking at monitor. Belive me i tried every panel so far. My dad has TN panel and i myself use AS-IPS panel. I had VA panel before in 1 LCD. And i must tell you. Difference betwen VA and AS-IPS i use now was big. Leave TN panel on side here, since its not even worth comparing TN and AS-IPS... Btw i often used my dads TN panel sometime, and i must tell you even smallest move of head ruins already crap colours. And now dont tell me that you are robot and that you look at SAME STRAIGHT ANGLE FOR HOURS AND HOURS (basicly that means you dont even move yourself for hours).

YOU HAVE AN AS-IPS MONITOR! Wow, you must be happy with that. I am looking at getting either a $265 LCD203WXM, which I believe is a high quality TN or a P-MVA (can't find out) or a $500 2070NX, which is a S-IPS. I will have to keep looking for a good option that is in the middle.

I mostly do web design (coding, graphics for web, Flash, etc.) with some 3D rendering (for, you guessed it, web sites) and a little gaming. Color does come into play, but the question is how much.

The CRT's that I am using now are all washed out, have poor contrast, and/or cut really bad, but do show nice gradients with out banding except for one.

I don't see what is wrong with a TN pannel. I just wouldn't pair a cheap one with a $1000 computer - do it justice.

You might want to look at NEC 20WGX2 Pro (AS-IPS). Thats what i use and its great. I had MVA panel LCD before and i must tell you it was big difference going fro MVA to AS-IPS. Btw that NEC has glossy screen so you might wont like it, but i love glossy screen. It should be found for around 550$ i belive.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]

U cant obviously look straight in a monitor all the time.Like taking a rest backseet during a cutscene or something.And comcon you cant keep your head in the same position for hours on end.

My father has a high end hp laptop.Everything is good about it except that the 15.4" widescreen LCD looks so bad it's not even funny.The viewing angles on that are just PATHETIC.

sSubZerOo

It's not like there's a tiny window you have you keep your head in to see a good picture. How much do you think people are moving around? At most it's a couple degrees off the center. Most people who sit in a chair in front of their monitors will have NO problems whatsoever.

It's a very tiny window and I personally had problems if I so much as shifted my posture - yes, sitting dead center in front of the monitor in a task chair, perfectly still. For gaming, where we adjust our posture to be comfortable during long sessions, the color shift is noticeable - and for desktop usage it's absolutely unbearable. For those of us who sit with our eyes below the top of the monitor, the screen is dark all the time, and to make matters worse, you *don't* have to move your head to see the problem.

Look at the corners of the screen (just move your eyes) and the color shifts (as the angle the light is hitting your eye from has changed). The vertical viewing angles suck out loud.

It really sounds like your entirelly too nit picky.. Firstly you can always shift the LCD, after all they wiegh 10 to 15 lbs to where you can sit back comfortably.. Secondly, the color variation is not that bad.. You guys make it sound like if you move alittle bit the entire screen goes black..... To me its perferctly acceptable.. Now would I like it better? Of course but this does not say that its garbage.. I also find it pretty sad that you put it in these kind of situations such as the lcd above you.. Well it would not have this problem if the stand was correctly configured to look DIRECTLY at you..

Yet again this is not to say they are better then CRT's, many prefer CRT.. To me though I prefer LCD more.. Now when they come with the new ones great.. About some other arguments:

A) older games like starcraft don't support widescreen because it looks like garbage.. Yeah I never knew we played the game for its cutting edge graphics.

B) those older games have numerous mods that widescreen support..

C) Seeing as Crysis is the most graphic intensive game we have seen upcoming in the next 2 years I would not be too worried about not reaching native resolution.

D) A widescreen alittle lower then the native is alright it might sacrifice some image but it by no means looks bad at least in my eyes.

To me you guys are completely blowing some of this stuff out of perspective.. But it kills me that you go after the most rediculous thing such as changing your head where it "suddenly" magically looks awful.. And this is coming from a guy using a 17' monitor where we could complain all day that you have to sit close most times to even see whats happening in this dang age.. Not to mention most 17" monitors have a crap range of resolutions on top of that.. In the end its cherry picking, I prefer the easier on the eyes, smaller factor, light design etc etc over the CRT.. Not to mention it completely depends on what games you play on top of that..

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

subrosian,do you really got to have everyone think the same as you? Just becauseyou hate TN panels with a passionmeans everyone has to have the same ****ing mindset as you?

F1_2004

Everyone who's involved in seriously reviewing monitors has come to the same conclusion I have. It's not magic, it's not a matter of opinion, it's not an issue of "taste" - TN-Film LCDs have poor color, homogeniety, vertical viewing angles, backlighting, et cetera. Even when a TN-monitor is released (such as the Samsung 226bw s) that temporarily offers decent quality (still with the color band viewing angle issues, but otherwise not terrible) it is quickly replaced with lower-end, lower-quality panels (samsung 226bw a, c, and newer s) quickly.

You're getting this information free of charge so you can make smart buying decisions, if you resent someone informing you of how the cost-first LCD market has led to some shoddy business practices (using dynamic contrast as contrast, falsely labeling 6-bit panels as having 16.7 colors, pretending the vertical viewing angle of TN is 160-degree when in reality it's closer to 100 with immediate color shifting in as little as 5 degrees, or using deceptive response times without any type of input lag factor displayed) then I have to question whose side you're really on.

The consumer has been lied to with TN-Film, and the product you received is shoddy. It's a damn shame there are fewer alternatives left - and none I've seen in widescreen under $500 (not counting mail in rebates or refurbs). There are a few 5:4 VA panels in the $300 price range that I'm personally looking at right now.

So relax - I'm sorry if it bothers you to find out a technology sucks, but it does.

I'm having a hard time understanding how this is different from every other piece of technology out there. A dual-core CPU is good, but a quad-core is better and more expensive. A 7900GS is good, but a 8800GT is better and more expensive. A Honda Civic is good, but a BMW 7-Series is better and more expensive.

A 22" widescreen TN LCD is good, but a 22" widescreen MVA/IPS is better and more expensive. You don't go up to a Honda dealership and go crazy over the bullcrap they're trying to peddle to their customers when compared to a BMW, do you? Why do you feel lied to and deceived when the same thing happens with monitors - you've got the cheap and decent monitors, and you've got the better & more expensive monitors.

If you've got the money, you pay for the better quality, otherwise you settle for what you can get. Such is life. Show me an MVA or IPS panel at the same price as a TN panel of the same size, or pay me for the difference in prices, or shut up.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

How do you even notice this while playing games?

Wesker776

I just do, especially with shadows or darker wall textures, it really jumps out at me.

And no, banding. As in, instead of a smooth gradient, it's divided - you'll see a slight line where the color "changes" - you shouldn't be seeing that, because these are "smooth" gradients". Well, I see shade transitions especially in blues, greens, and greys even on 8-bit panels, but you should notice it on 6-bit panels fairly distinctly.

Out of curiosity, do you have a CRT and TN monitor? And what brand/specs are they? I've got a CRT at work and a TN at home, and the difference between the two is far less than you make it seem.

Exactly.

My school's digital workroom computers are all fitted with CRT's, while the typical web browser desktop are all cheap TN panel LCD's.

I do not notice a large difference between the two.

Certainly, the CRT produces more vivid colours, but it is not pleasant to look at for long periods of time (e.g. web browsing and *GAMING*).

You're arguing a moot point.

I at one point had a TN, MVA, and IPS monitor side-by-side with a CRT. I have been through three TN panels in my life, ranging from low-end to high-end. They have all been sold off or returned, because none of them were livable. My most recent TN monitor was in October, and I kept it all of 48 hours before I decided that no amount of calibration would fix it - the technology is simply flawed.

Every time I think "oh, TN is not so bad, I'm exaggerating" and try out a new one, my reaction (surprise) at how bad it really is always turns out the same.

I also have this modem of dell at home http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=bsd&cs=cabsdt1&sku=320-4977

19" PVA panel @ 349.99$

It's really a good quality.

One of the finest TFT screens around in the 22" range is the Samasung 226BW, it has 2ms grey to grey response time and 1000:1 contrast ratio (theoretical 3000:1 when using Dynamic Contrast)it also is an 8-bit Panel (Supports 16.7 Million colors, but only supports 160 degrees viewing angle so not quite an actual 8-bit but impressive none the less). It also scales up or down well.

I say if you have gamed on this monitor and still believe CRT is better you most have something wrong with you.

I refuse to use an LCD for my gaming desktop. Native resolutions annoy me to no end.

I ended up purchasing a P1130 21" CRT monitor for $50 bucks. Perfect image quality. And it supports 1920x1440 resolution at 85Hz refresh rates. It's beautiful. And guess what, I can play my games at ANY resolution without any reduction in image quality.

You might want to look at NEC 20WGX2 Pro (AS-IPS). Thats what i use and its great. I had MVA panel LCD before and i must tell you it was big difference going fro MVA to AS-IPS. Btw that NEC has glossy screen so you might wont like it, but i love glossy screen. It should be found for around 550$ i belive.

domke13

Thanks. I cannot imagine that gloss being much more reflective than a CRT.

I couldn't find the 20WGX2 for under $600, but it is probably worth it. A good monitor will probably last longer than any of the other computer parts.

I found a chart, and MVA along with PVA is not much better than TN panels apart from color. S-PVA seems good, but you can't beat the IPS screens, even CRTs cannot compare (unless you are doing VERY professional photo editing).

I swore i wouldn't post in this thread again,but...

I have a TN LCD,and i'm happy with it,if you can't accept that,then i hope you rot in hell :|

(This is aimed @ subrosian,domke13 and Thinker_145)

Indestructible2

I don't understand why some people think it is a crime to have a TN. Your panel is a better one, but still, if someone doesn't care about the color, why spend an extra $100-$200 for a M-PVA or a P-MVA? Now, if you spent $2000 on your computer, you should have probably budgeted in a good monitor, but it is not wrong if you don't.

I bet those three would tare someone who built a new budget PC with a X1650pro to shreds. There is always better, and you will always find people who criticize those who don't spend the extra money.

I did it now - this thread is going to turn into a budget rig basher.

I refuse to use an LCD for my gaming desktop. Native resolutions annoy me to no end.

I ended up purchasing a P1130 21" CRT monitor for $50 bucks. Perfect image quality. And it supports 1920x1440 resolution at 85Hz refresh rates. It's beautiful. And guess what, I can play my games at ANY resolution without any reduction in image quality.

bwatsonz

I refuse to use an LCD for my gaming desktop. Native resolutions annoy me to no end.

I ended up purchasing a P1130 21" CRT monitor for $50 bucks. Perfect image quality. And it supports 1920x1440 resolution at 85Hz refresh rates. It's beautiful. And guess what, I can play my games at ANY resolution without any reduction in image quality.

bwatsonz

[QUOTE="bwatsonz"]

I refuse to use an LCD for my gaming desktop. Native resolutions annoy me to no end.

I ended up purchasing a P1130 21" CRT monitor for $50 bucks. Perfect image quality. And it supports 1920x1440 resolution at 85Hz refresh rates. It's beautiful. And guess what, I can play my games at ANY resolution without any reduction in image quality.

Thinker_145

Thats just your tastes. I would say true gamers should use a screen bigger than 17", but thats just me.

To each his own, you may think I am dumb for using a LCD, that is fine with me. I am 100% happy with my monitor, and if you are happy with yours, whats the big deal.

Also this thread has become 2 in one. "LCD vs. CRT" and "TN LCD vs. NON-TN LCD" . To both I say let it die.

I am not going to all of a sudden go "You know what I am happy with my monitor, but these people that I don't even know are telling me my monitor is crap. So I am going to go out and get a CRT monitor that I hate using and burns my eyes or get a fancy LCD that costs twice the money, just so I can say that I don't have these problems, that I don't even notice"

If you want a CRT then get one. If you want to spend twice as much for a "better" LCD then do it. But let me use the monitor I want, how I want.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

I swore i wouldn't post in this thread again,but...

I have a TN LCD,and i'm happy with it,if you can't accept that,then i hope you rot in hell :|

(This is aimed @ subrosian,domke13 and Thinker_145)

jed-at-war

I don't understand why some people think it is a crime to have a TN. Your panel is a better one, but still, if someone doesn't care about the color, why spend an extra $100-$200 for a M-PVA or a P-MVA? Now, if you spent $2000 on your computer, you should have probably budgeted in a good monitor, but it is not wrong if you don't.

I bet those three would tare someone who built a new budget PC with a X1650pro to shreds. There is always better, and you will always find people who criticize those who don't spend the extra money.

I did it now - this thread is going to turn into a budget rig basher.

To all of those who say that they prefer LCD's cuz they save space.

I prefer laptops over desktops cuz they save space and i also prefer integrated speakers instead of real speakers cuz they save space.:roll:

Why is it so hard for people to admit that they made a BAD purchase.And nobody's asking you to throw it away and buy something new.But atleast admit that it was a bad purchase.Thinker_145

To all of those who say that they prefer LCD's cuz they save space.

I prefer laptops over desktops cuz they save space and i also prefer integrated speakers instead of real speakers cuz they save space.:roll:

Thinker_145

Interesting argument which is valid. You are just not considering the amount of space. For an example, I am having to use a low contrast, badly cutting, 15" CRT because the desk I am using is not strong or deap enough to hold my 95lb. 21" CRT, but I have enough space for a tower because it is not on my desk.

Your topic should not be targeted towards gamers because they don't care that much for color. I should be targeted toward graphic designers. They wouldn't be buying TN or VA screens anyway though.

What if one day you end up not having a house and having living in a small appartment? You would have to get a LCD or a laptop because of space. Same concept as being forced to settle with a budget rig because of money.

Just stop telling people how to spend their money because you know nothing about them or their reasons for buying the type of monitors that they do!

If you are so willing to tell people how to spend their money, spend your own money and buy the LCD owners in this topic a good 20" CRT, or get youself a great LCD that compares to a CRT.

Do you relize how long it will take before common posters in this forum give you any kind of respect now? Stop before it gets worse.

Bye ;)

EDIT: If someone bought a $500 TN panel that they didn't like, I would feel bad for them. If they bought a $200 TN that they liked, who cares. If you are really concerned for people getting ripped off, create an informational topic that teaches people about monitors so that they can make the best decision for them instead of telling them what is best. The best way to defeat ignorance is knowledge, not criticism.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Why is it so hard for people to admit that they made a BAD purchase.And nobody's asking you to throw it away and buy something new.But atleast admit that it was a bad purchase.Indestructible2

The reaosn why i made this thread was seeing as everybody buys LCD's without even knowing its disadvantages.A friend of mine bought a 19" LCD and then found out the native resolution thing and since he had a low-end rig he was massively dissapointed with that.The point of this thread is to bring awareness between people about the disadvantages of LCD monitors.Doing it in a harsh way will atract more people and maybe someone else will be saved from being dissapointed like my friend.Thinker_145

I have seen and used TN panels at college, but I have never seen one out of native res. I have "previewed" what it would look like though. I took a screenshot in a smaller res and set it to fullscreen in a higher res (without it smoothing itself), which displayed a similar effect. It looks bad, but I don't see how it could affect your games that much. It really had the profound effect on text.

My grandpa just bought a 19" TN panel and he is not running it native res, so I will need to look at it his evening. I don't know if TNs can get worse than the one he got quality wise.

Although it attracts attention, harshness will distract from the main point. I have never seen a topic containing an "argument" that ever clearly followed the main idea.

Someone needs to start a guild just for explaining the various things to look for when buying computer parts like monitors and PSUs as well as other info like what is better than what.

And one more advantage CRT's have is that their max res is more than of a LCD of similar size which means you can get a crisprier image on a CRT than a LCD.Thinker_145

ok I can see that if you have the massive crts but I don't remember a 17" crt that did more than 12x10 which is the same as my 17" lcd

[QUOTE="bwatsonz"]

I refuse to use an LCD for my gaming desktop. Native resolutions annoy me to no end.

I ended up purchasing a P1130 21" CRT monitor for $50 bucks. Perfect image quality. And it supports 1920x1440 resolution at 85Hz refresh rates. It's beautiful. And guess what, I can play my games at ANY resolution without any reduction in image quality.

Thinker_145

I'm a true gamer and bought a TFT, I was using a CRT upto around 2003 but then decided to try out a TFT display despite knowing about all the disadvantages and I have to say I have not look back since. The image is just far brighter and sharper which makes for a better image in my opinion, not only that I can look at a TFT display for hours without my eyes hurting unlike with a CRT. My CRT is up in the attic where it belongs.

maybe serious gamers want widescreen monitor and CRT isnt widescreenbanedonoes

You can get widescreen CRT monitors:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-GDM-FW900-Widescreen-Trinitron-Monitor/dp/B00004YNSR

[QUOTE="banedonoes"]maybe serious gamers want widescreen monitor and CRT isnt widescreenshearMario

You can get widescreen CRT monitors:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-GDM-FW900-Widescreen-Trinitron-Monitor/dp/B00004YNSR

You wont want to do any lan gaming soon with that lol 108lbs ...

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]And one more advantage CRT's have is that their max res is more than of a LCD of similar size which means you can get a crisprier image on a CRT than a LCD.imprezawrx500

ok I can see that if you have the massive crts but I don't remember a 17" crt that did more than 12x10 which is the same as my 17" lcd

Come to think of it ,why we arguein this in the first place? A good LCD monitor gives a brighter,sharper more vivid picture than a CRT,if you've ever looked at a CRT you'll notice that even on a good one the picture is sometimes fuzzy or haized, and a bit blurry in spots. and also don't forget the big 30In beasts with thier 2560x1600 resolutions, OK I know you'd need to rob Fort Knox to buy one but I ain't seen a CRT do that kinda res before.sgac

[QUOTE="shearMario"]

[QUOTE="banedonoes"]maybe serious gamers want widescreen monitor and CRT isnt widescreenBebi_vegeta

You can get widescreen CRT monitors:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-GDM-FW900-Widescreen-Trinitron-Monitor/dp/B00004YNSR

You wont want to do any lan gaming soon with that lol 108lbs ...

There are many pros and cons to both... there is NO outright winner.To each his own but there is no need to try and start a flamefest here.

LordEC911

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[QUOTE="LordEC911"]There are many pros and cons to both... there is NO outright winner.To each his own but there is no need to try and start a flamefest here.

LordEC911

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I'm Standing right next to LordEC911.

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[QUOTE="banedonoes"]maybe serious gamers want widescreen monitor and CRT isnt widescreenThinker_145

You can get widescreen CRT monitors:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-GDM-FW900-Widescreen-Trinitron-Monitor/dp/B00004YNSR

You wont want to do any lan gaming soon with that lol 108lbs ...

Yes don't if your a lan gamer. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH!