Why is Dead Space 2 $60?

[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

Developers count on people being trained monkeys that are afraid to go against the flow. They know that if they can just get enough people to accept higher prices that the followers will just go along with it, for fear of being "different".

Developers charge exactly what gamers let them charge. . If everyone refused to pay higher prices, and waited for a price drop - they couldn't gey away with it.

urbangamez

Hey im with you bro, everyone loves the idea of freeware and cheap prices, that until they apply for a job and they are asked to work freely and cheaply.

Remember nobody has to buy this. I'm just saying why big budget games are more expensive. I'm not buying the game because few games are worth the full $60.

You think it costs to much? Don't buy it. Simple as that.

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Why would any company go out of their way to help you in a time of need if they don't desperately rely on your business? It's not worth the trouble.

Companies don't owe you squat. This idea that we are entitled to stuff is crazy.

Do you usually make up stuff to avoid being wrong? Where did I say I was entitled to those things......I didn't. The point is they would not help you, so why are you so inclined to make sure they get money for overpricing stuff?Plus 25% of GTA 4 profits are $250,000,000!!! They can stand to lose $10!

Where did they sell at least 16 million copies? I don't believe GTA 4 has sold that much.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

Do you usually make up stuff to avoid being wrong? Where did I say I was entitled to those things......I didn't. The point is they would not help you, so why are you so inclined to make sure they get money for overpricing stuff?Plus 25% of GTA 4 profits are $250,000,000!!! They can stand to lose $10!

AutoPilotOn

Where did they sell at least 16 million copies? I don't believe GTA 4 has sold that much.

All for $60 right?

[QUOTE="urbangamez"]

[QUOTE="Born_Lucky"]

Developers count on people being trained monkeys that are afraid to go against the flow. They know that if they can just get enough people to accept higher prices that the followers will just go along with it, for fear of being "different".

Developers charge exactly what gamers let them charge. . If everyone refused to pay higher prices, and waited for a price drop - they couldn't gey away with it.

Born_Lucky

Hey im with you bro, everyone loves the idea of freeware and cheap prices, that until they apply for a job and they are asked to work freely and cheaply.

How did you arrive at $40, why not $30 or $20, hey i make it $10.

Remember game prices are going up for 2 simple reasons. The first is the most obvious, development costs. These things are rising every single day. Even small studios are feeling the burn. You ever wonder why so many studios have closed in the past few years? They can't sell enough copies of their games because the games just aren't high enough quality when compared to the big guys.

The second is another pretty obvious reason and it has been touched on by other people in this thread. Gamers are willing to pay $60 for these games. As long as the willingness to pay is there, game prices can stay higher.

Out of the two, the latter is the one we have control of. However we also have no control over it as we cannot make the millions of people stop buying games.

Remember CoD MW2? Remember how crappy of a port it was? Remember all of the boycotts? Well we all know how that worked...

I didn't buy it, I knew it was going to be trash. I did buy CoD Black Ops because I knew it was a major step up, but was sorely disappointed in how buggy it ended up being. Probably the last CoD game I buy.

If you can find a way to fix this, then prices will drop. Remember they will never drop to a point where their sales won't be enough to cover the rising development costs of our rising expectations.

:lol:

Yeah, you guys are super smart...apparently you are the first people to realize we don't have to buy games. Man! I wish I read this thread earlier I was just going out and buying games because I thought I had to!

Darn evil mind controlling developers! Damn you! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]You're also assuming that all small budget games are as good as Amnesia and that all games that drop by 75% will sell that much...

I hate to break it to you, but 90% of indie games go completely unnoticed and these sales of those big budget games only happen after they are proven to be great titles. Then you're also assuming a developer on the PC could sell the quantity required to make back the budget of a game.

Remember Amnesia and Minecraft are complete oddities and most big budget titles are never near the quality of a Valve game. You're making a lot of assumptions and then applying them to the entire gaming industry.Wasdie

another example on how lower prices means more sales on pc... Risen Developer:

By the way, putting all this into perspective and why we were that surprised: The game sold more copies over the last 4 days than since its release in October 2009 in total(over almost one year) on Steam! It's like earning a year's salary in 4 days and that is truly something no one anticipated from our side.

It seems to me that lower pricing seems to work on PC perfectly..just look at mmos that have gone F2P and have doubled their sales

Again you're assuming that the big budget games could lower their price and make up the difference in pure sales quantity.

Risen wasn't a massive budget game like Dead Space 2 will be or games like GTA4, CoD, BFBC2, SC2, and many others.

Also MMOs are going F2P becaue they cannot compete against WoW directly and they needed a new way to generate revenue. They have switched to an in-game store based way to generate revenue and advertising.

So it turns out more into a huge gamble to to waste that much money on a game.... I remember a video where Gabe Newell was talking about how no one releases games in Russia because "everyone in Russia pirates" his solution was to lower prices and remove all forms of DRM and guessed what..it sold very well..

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Where did they sell at least 16 million copies? I don't believe GTA 4 has sold that much.

All for $60 right?

Just wait halfyear or so and you find the games in the food stores in some lowprice box 8)

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

:lol:

Yeah, you guys are super smart...apparently you are the first people to realize we don't have to buy games. Man! I wish I read this thread earlier I was just going out and buying games because I thought I had to!

Darn evil mind controlling developers! Damn you! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!

monkey_muffin

It's not, it shows yours for what it is...a bunch of hot air. Games being priced at $50 have little to do with what they cost to make...they have more to do with consumer perceptions of value for entertainment products. Game budgets are a reflection of this, not the other way around.

Meh, I only paid 60 bucks for StarCraft II, probably won't do that again, I did get Black Ops for 40 bucks and future games would be price drops while I catch up on games I missed.

I agree with Wasdie: Don't like it don't buy it and that's what I'm doing..until a price drop.:P

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]

:lol:

Yeah, you guys are super smart...apparently you are the first people to realize we don't have to buy games. Man! I wish I read this thread earlier I was just going out and buying games because I thought I had to!

Darn evil mind controlling developers! Damn you! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!

Renevent42

It's not, it shows yours for what it is...a bunch of hot air. Games being priced at $50 have little to do with what they cost to make...they have more to do with consumer perceptions of value for entertainment products. Game budgets are a reflection of this, not the other way around.

You must be young, free, and in college or something.

You are so wrong it's useless to even try.

Meh, I only paid 60 bucks for StarCraft II, probably won't do that again, I did get Black Ops for 40 bucks and future games would be price drops while I catch up on games I missed.

I agree with Wasdie: Don't like it don't buy it and that's what I'm doing..until a price drop.:P

mitu123

its ok mitu123, u r not alone in the $60 club, i paid the $60, actually it was more than $60 with tax. Will i pay i price like this for a game again, if i want to, i didn't get a GTX 460 to play midtown madness.

You must be young, free, and in college or something.

You are so wrong it's useless to even try.

monkey_muffin

I am old, married, have kids, own a home, two cars, a boat, and make over 100K a year managing the data systems for one of the largest corporations on earth. Well, actually it's a wholly owned subsidy but never the less.

Instead of lowering costs, they are just raising prices. Which will just give people more reason to not buy the game, and just pirate it.

The business modeal of the gaming idustry just wants me to smash my head against the wall. Your complaing about lack of sales and pirates on the rise, and what do you do, raise the price of the games.

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]You must be young, free, and in college or something.

You are so wrong it's useless to even try.

Renevent42

I am old, married, have kids, own a home, two cars, a boat, and make over 100K a year managing the data systems for one of the largest corporations on earth. Well, actually it's a wholly owned subsidy but never the less.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Meh, I only paid 60 bucks for StarCraft II, probably won't do that again, I did get Black Ops for 40 bucks and future games would be price drops while I catch up on games I missed.

I agree with Wasdie: Don't like it don't buy it and that's what I'm doing..until a price drop.:P

urbangamez

its ok mitu123, u r not alone in the $60 club, i paid the $60, actually it was more than $60 with tax. Will i pay i price like this for a game again, if i want to, i didn't get a GTX 460 to play midtown madness.

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]You must be young, free, and in college or something.

You are so wrong it's useless to even try.

I am old, married, have kids, own a home, two cars, a boat, and make over 100K a year managing the data systems for one of the largest corporations on earth. Well, actually it's a wholly owned subsidy but never the less.

[QUOTE="urbangamez"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Meh, I only paid 60 bucks for StarCraft II, probably won't do that again, I did get Black Ops for 40 bucks and future games would be price drops while I catch up on games I missed.

I agree with Wasdie: Don't like it don't buy it and that's what I'm doing..until a price drop.:P

mitu123

its ok mitu123, u r not alone in the $60 club, i paid the $60, actually it was more than $60 with tax. Will i pay i price like this for a game again, if i want to, i didn't get a GTX 460 to play midtown madness.

Congrats, its a good card, for the first time in awhile i was able to play Crysis and Crysis Warhead max with 4x anti-alias, without feeling as if Nomad and Psycho are walking in quicksand, here's hoping Dead Space 2 has lots of visual eye candy

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[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]You must be young, free, and in college or something.

You are so wrong it's useless to even try.

Renevent42

I am old, married, have kids, own a home, two cars, a boat, and make over 100K a year managing the data systems for one of the largest corporations on earth. Well, actually it's a wholly owned subsidy but never the less.

TBH, I didn't really care if I was right.

Now that I know what your life is like, it's easy to see that b/c you make a good amount of money you think you know how things work.

When in reality all it boils down to is that you like to throw away you money. I say this b/c the rest of us who are either not as fortunate or even more fortunate like decent pricing.

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]You must be young, free, and in college or something.

You are so wrong it's useless to even try.

monkey_muffin

I am old, married, have kids, own a home, two cars, a boat, and make over 100K a year managing the data systems for one of the largest corporations on earth. Well, actually it's a wholly owned subsidy but never the less.

TBH, I didn't really care if I was right.

Now that I know what your life is like, it's easy to see that b/c you make a good amount of money you think you know how things work.

When in reality all it boils down to is that you like to throw away you money. I say this b/c the rest of us who are either not as fortunate or even more fortunate like to get our moneys worth.

So you are wrong about the first assumption you made and your reaction is to make another totally unfounded (and wrong) assumption?

I am actually pretty frugal with my money...which is why I can afford some of the bigger purchases I make. If you ask me, a person who has been a PC gamer for 20 years now, gaming is CHEAPER than it ever was. 2 years ago I built myself an awesome computer that to this day still plays games on high settings...try doing that 20 years ago. For me, gaming is a hobby and a small fluctuation in a few game prices isn't going to kill me or cause me to freak out.

The few games I wan't immediatly at the $60 price point...sure I'll buy them. I don't see anything wrong with a company charging $60 for a game that cost them millions to make, and that will potentially provide dozens upon dozens of hours of enjoyment. For the others that may not be worth that much to me? Yup, I'll wait a while for a price drop.

There's all sorts of things I spend money on in the entertainment industry...gaming to me is about the cheapest thing out there all things considered.

For the record I have no intention of even buying Dead Space 2...I never even played the first one.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="urbangamez"]

its ok mitu123, u r not alone in the $60 club, i paid the $60, actually it was more than $60 with tax. Will i pay i price like this for a game again, if i want to, i didn't get a GTX 460 to play midtown madness.

urbangamez

Congrats, its a good card, for the first time in awhile i was able to play Crysis and Crysis Warhead max with 4x anti-alias, without feeling as if Nomad and Psycho are walking in quicksand, here's hoping Dead Space 2 has lots of visual eye candy

Best midend card that has come out in a while. Plus with the price dropping into the 160's its a crazy deal. Enjoy your card

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

Renevent42

Give it a chance Renevent, variety is the spice of life, be bold, away into the future my friend.

Give it a chance Renevent, variety is the spice of life, be bold, away into the future my friend.urbangamez

Variety is indeed the spice of life! Maybe I will give it a chance...we will see :P

I'm personally pretty into Eschalon Book II atm though, but if I get through that soon I'll at least play the demo.

*edit*

Speaking of Eschalon...that game couldn't of cost 1/20th the budget a game like Dead Space had...yet I paid almost half the price ($25). And you know what? Totally worth it!

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

I am old, married, have kids, own a home, two cars, a boat, and make over 100K a year managing the data systems for one of the largest corporations on earth. Well, actually it's a wholly owned subsidy but never the less.

Renevent42

TBH, I didn't really care if I was right.

Now that I know what your life is like, it's easy to see that b/c you make a good amount of money you think you know how things work.

When in reality all it boils down to is that you like to throw away you money. I say this b/c the rest of us who are either not as fortunate or even more fortunate like to get our moneys worth.

So you are wrong about the first assumption you made and your reaction is to make another totally unfounded (and wrong) assumption?

I am actually pretty frugal with my money...which is why I can afford some of the bigger purchases I make. If you ask me, a person who has been a PC gamer for 20 years now, gaming is CHEAPER than it ever was. 2 years ago I built myself an awesome computer that to this day still plays games on high settings...try doing that 20 years ago. For me, gaming is a hobby and a small fluctuation in a few game prices isn't going to kill me or cause me to freak out.

The few games I wan't immediatly at the $60 price point...sure I'll buy them. I don't see anything wrong with a company charging $60 for a game that cost them millions to make, and that I will potentially get dozens upon dozens of hours of enjoyment from. For the others that may not be worth that much to me? Yup, I'll wait a while for a price drop.

There's all sorts of things I spend money on in the entertainment industry...gaming to me is about the cheapest thing out there all things considered.

For the record I have no intention of even buying Dead Space 2...I never even played the first one.

I do think Rockstar was entitled to make 1 billion dollars...they made a great product that millions of people enjoyed. Good for them! This product, by the way, is a totally unnecessary entertainment product nobody was forced to purchase. People purchased it becuase they felt the game was great and worth it, and for that they deserve every dime they make from it.

And uh, I don't drink Coke...or any other soft drink for that matter. I actually have a water filter and pretty much drink that. I think soft drinks (and bottled drinks in general) are wasteful. But then again, who am I to tell someone else who enjoys them what they should drink and how much they should pay for it? That's a personal decision and they have every right.

I bet there's tons of things you buy that other people find wasteful and over priced. Like, you know, video games period. You don't need video games. You could probably do something a hell of a lot more productive with the money you spend on them. Like college...a home...putting it into savings. Or heck, even something charitable! How wasteful are you? You know how many homeless people you could have fed with what your computer cost and all the games you purchased?

GTA IV was barely worth the 5 dollars a paid for it.

Games work on the same thing as movies and music. They price it as they please, there is no supply and demand.

Why don't we just pay $100. Seems like some of you don't care. For the record since selling a game on PC is not the same as selling one on consoles it shouldn't cost the same. We proved that to the mod guy who is no where to be found now. GTA 4 made about $1 billion. If you realy think that they are entitled to making that much when it only cost say $30 million to make, then there is definitely something wrong with the world.

monkey_muffin

I can think of a lot of things wrong in this world,

$60 for Dead Space 2 is not one of them.

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

Why don't we just pay $100. Seems like some of you don't care. For the record since selling a game on PC is not the same as selling one on consoles it shouldn't cost the same. We proved that to the mod guy who is no where to be found now. GTA 4 made about $1 billion. If you realy think that they are entitled to making that much when it only cost say $30 million to make, then there is definitely something wrong with the world.

urbangamez

I can think of a lot of things wrong in this world,

$60 for Dead Space 2 is not one of them.

Word.

How small can one's world view be when $10 extra for Dead Space 2 encompasses all that is wrong with the world lol.

EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc. could all go out of business tomorrow and I'm not even sure I would notice. The last game I bought from any of those publishers at full price was Dragon Age and that was in Nov. 2009. So, if I didn't buy their games at the $50 price there's absolutely no chance I will be buying them for $60.

There are more than enough smaller and independent developers that I don't really need to deal with the greed and hubris that has taken over the mainstream, LCD, developers. And, if there really is a McGame that interests me from one of these Michael Bay-esque developers (and that's avery BIG if) I don't have a problem waiting the 6 months to a year it takes for the inevitable $10 Steam sale.

[QUOTE="urbangamez"]

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

Why don't we just pay $100. Seems like some of you don't care. For the record since selling a game on PC is not the same as selling one on consoles it shouldn't cost the same. We proved that to the mod guy who is no where to be found now. GTA 4 made about $1 billion. If you realy think that they are entitled to making that much when it only cost say $30 million to make, then there is definitely something wrong with the world.

Renevent42

I can think of a lot of things wrong in this world,

$60 for Dead Space 2 is not one of them.

Word.

How small can one's world view be when $10 extra for Dead Space 2 encompasses all that is wrong with the world lol.

You 2 amaze me. That was the point. How small can ones wolrd be if and easy sarcastic remark is missed.

You 2 amaze me. That was the point. How small can ones wolrd be if and easy sarcastic remark is missed.

monkey_muffin

Aha, so you agree, $60 for Dead Space 2 iz not ze wooiisst, Come to dark side my friend, you want the game on Jan 25, and not a day later.

[QUOTE="urbangamez"]

[QUOTE="monkey_muffin"]

Why don't we just pay $100. Seems like some of you don't care. For the record since selling a game on PC is not the same as selling one on consoles it shouldn't cost the same. We proved that to the mod guy who is no where to be found now. GTA 4 made about $1 billion. If you realy think that they are entitled to making that much when it only cost say $30 million to make, then there is definitely something wrong with the world.

Renevent42

I can think of a lot of things wrong in this world,

$60 for Dead Space 2 is not one of them.

Word.

How small can one's world view be when $10 extra for Dead Space 2 encompasses all that is wrong with the world lol.

Yeah, because on a gaming message board we're going to be talking about curing cancer and stuff but nice non sequitur at any rate.

[QUOTE="urbangamez"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I'm getting a GTX 460 as well next week.=p And there are a ton of(demanding) PC games I missed, it should give my GTX 460 a workout.James161324

Congrats, its a good card, for the first time in awhile i was able to play Crysis and Crysis Warhead max with 4x anti-alias, without feeling as if Nomad and Psycho are walking in quicksand, here's hoping Dead Space 2 has lots of visual eye candy

Best midend card that has come out in a while. Plus with the price dropping into the 160's its a crazy deal. Enjoy your card

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]

[QUOTE="urbangamez"]

I can think of a lot of things wrong in this world,

$60 for Dead Space 2 is not one of them.

-wildflower-

Word.

How small can one's world view be when $10 extra for Dead Space 2 encompasses all that is wrong with the world lol.

Yeah, because on a gaming message board we're going to be talking about curing cancer and stuff but nice non sequitur at any rate.

Say what? Pretending Rockstar's profits selling a video game is indicative of something wrong in the world is silly. That's a silly statement on ANY board you say it on, gaming or otherwise ;)

I got mine for 147 bucks plus 9 bucks shipping(totaling 156).=pmitu123

See, i paid $195 for mine, Nvidia is worst than EA, Activision, Rockstar, the Devil, $195 for 460 something is wrong with ze wold.

I never played it, but wasn't the first Dead Space a pretty decent port?Renevent42

[QUOTE="Renevent42"]I never played it, but wasn't the first Dead Space a pretty decent port?GeneralShowzer

Most of the folks I have spoken to seemed to really like it and said it ran great.

I never played it, but wasn't the first Dead Space a pretty decent port?Renevent42

On a great rig, it is an excellent port, very imaginative survival horror game, i own it, played it 3 times. highly recommend it

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Renevent42"]I never played it, but wasn't the first Dead Space a pretty decent port?Renevent42

Most of the folks I have spoken to seemed to really like it and said it ran great.